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NFT: Karma is a b**** (recruiters being ghosted now)!

BestFeature : 6/26/2018 11:53 pm
I don't know your guys' experience with this but this article makes me think that there might be a God in this world. I was out of work for a year about a year ago. Most of my worst experiences happened when recruiters ghosted me. It's also happened to me in the dating world, in fact it JUST happened to me. There's literally nothing worse than being ghosted. The fact that it's happening to self involved and selfish recruiters has made my day. This is the best example of Karma I've seen in a while.
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I really didn't  
mrvax : 6/27/2018 12:35 am : link
know about this. Thanks.
The good news is, what goes around comes around.  
BlackLight : 6/27/2018 2:43 am : link
The bad news is, what goes around comes around.
I must come from a generation  
rebel yell : 6/27/2018 6:48 am : link
where I find this to be incredibly rude and unprofessional. Who does shit like this? Be a man (or woman) and tell them you don't want the job.
A few things on this topic...  
EricJ : 6/27/2018 7:02 am : link
1. I have seen within my own company a problem where our internal recruiters do not get back to applicants and candidates. People apply for a job and hear nothing. They get a pre-screen interview over the phone and then hear nothing. They actually fly into our headquarters for a face to face interview and then hear nothing. It got to the point (and I told our VP of HR) that I was not going to recommend anyone externally for any positions because it was completely unprofessional.

2. I see people ghosting while working. Answering only the most critical e-mails. Attending mandatory meetings but basically that is all. Stealing a pay check. They could be working for two companies at the same time in different industries collecting two pay checks and nobody would know.
I'm already sick of the word ghost  
robbieballs2003 : 6/27/2018 7:31 am : link
and any variation of it.
RE: I must come from a generation  
Heisenberg : 6/27/2018 7:58 am : link
In comment 14000533 rebel yell said:
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where I find this to be incredibly rude and unprofessional. Who does shit like this? Be a man (or woman) and tell them you don't want the job.


+1

It's unprofessional.
I got ghosted several years ago and it still  
hocuspocus : 6/27/2018 8:08 am : link
ticks me off.

Applied for a job, aced the interviews, and did some preliminary negotiations on an offer with HR. When a formal offer wasn't forthcoming, I contacted the HR rep I had spoken to. After the first contact, she said they were still working on it. Despite repeated efforts to get some information, I never heard from them again. I later found out (through back channels) they eliminated the position I interviewed for due to budget cuts. But they never bothered to to inform me of this, even though I was told I was their #1 candidate. Completely unprofessional IMO.

I would never ghost an employer. I can't even fathom doing that.
ghosting, catfishing....  
Britt in VA : 6/27/2018 8:14 am : link
who comes up with this shit?
Ghosting is not a new occurrence  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/27/2018 8:22 am : link
in recruiting. It happens all the time. It's human nature. The person doing the Ghositng, most likely has disappointing information to give the other and instead of telling them, they would much rather just disappear.

Had it happen to me on Monday. Had a person going to an interview call me at 6AM to let me know his car broke down on the way to the interview. Not a big deal, not great, but hey it is what it is. I tell him to call the person he interviewing with and he does so.

Fast forward a few hours. The client has called and texted this guy to see when he can reschedule. I call a few times on Monday, and get nothing. I shoot a text get nothing.

Yesterday, I try him again, and now I have been blocked. How do I know? My office line goes straight to voicemail, but my cell rings free.

Verdict, he probably got another job and didn't want to tell me or he got locked up.

This guy was someone who called me all the time. Even when I didn't have anything to talk to him about. So for him to go dark like this is weird, but honestly not unexpected.
E-mail  
NJGiantFan84 : 6/27/2018 8:35 am : link
really should have eliminated the practice of ghosting. Its very simple to have a universal e-mail from companies informing people who have interviewed that they are going in a different direction. There is no reason to keep people waiting.

I do understand the difficulty in getting back to everybody who applies. But, once there is an interview, the results need to be communicated. It really isn't difficult with e-mail.

Same goes for individuals. When I got my Master's in accounting, like everyone just graduating, there are a ton of interviews and career days etc. I had four career days lined up when I accepted my job. I simply e-mailed each one the exact same e-mail stating I appreciate the opportunity but I was taking the job I was offered. Why burn bridges?

short sighted thinking  
giants#1 : 6/27/2018 8:40 am : link
might seem convenient at the time to avoid an "awkward" conversation, but why burn bridges when you don't need to? At some point you may need a job or that individual's help in some way and now they'll just spurn you or half-ass it.
Ha!  
trueblueinpw : 6/27/2018 8:46 am : link
Not sure which is worse, a car salesperson or a headhunter. Probably the headhunter b/c not having a job is pretty fucking awful and no matter how big an asshole the recruiter may be youíre gonna have to eat whatever shit theyíre serving. When I was looking for a job and recruiters would blow me off Iíd always imagine how great it would be to ignore them when I was working again. This shit makes me laugh, thanks for posting!
RE: ghosting, catfishing....  
NJGiantFan84 : 6/27/2018 8:51 am : link
In comment 14000552 Britt in VA said:
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who comes up with this shit?


Not sure if you really care, but the term catfish has an interesting origin. Catfishing actually stems from a documentary movie. Nev Shulman met a female online and began filming to document the romantic relationship and eventual meet-up.

Of course, she made all the excuses not to meet, and when they finally did track her down, Nev discovered the woman was not young and single, but in her 40's and married. Her husband described her as a "catfish" because she's the type of person that keeps you on your toes and thinking, similar to the way catfish were used to keep cod being shipped in containers to China agile. Nev made the show based off the movie and the term stuck.

I'm not so much a fan of the show, but I saw the movie early on after it's release and found it interesting.
I had a smiliar  
mmf551 : 6/27/2018 9:19 am : link
situation with a headhunter a few years ago. Took a job that I had gotten through a headhunter. Two days before my start date my current company offered to match the salary. I told the headhunter and he went insane. I felt bad, but I could have easily ghosted. The guy harassed me for months after this threatening me, and telling me how I was taking food out of his family's mouth.

I felt bad, but not that bad, I had several headhunters call me for jobs, then never call me back.. or call me, then call 5 other people in my group giving them the same pitch. A lot of them just throw a bunch of **** against the wall and see what sticks, and tell you everything you want to hear to get their $.

The best is when they ask if I know someone that might be interested in an opening... Sure I'll serve that free commission right up to you
i  
Les in TO : 6/27/2018 9:32 am : link
would never ghost a recruiter - why would I waste their time and burn a bridge? it takes 5 minutes to have a call to explain that I am not interested in a role.
I've had this happen on a couple of occasions  
Gman11 : 6/27/2018 9:36 am : link
After I sold my business I was looking for accounting or tax work. I interviewed with a well known, national accounting placement agency. I thought the interview went well and they said there are a number of jobs where I would be a "perfect fit." After not hearing anything for a while I called and then emailed the agency. The person was never there and all voice mails and emails were not returned. Three years later they contact me because they saw my resume online and there were "a number of jobs where I would be a perfect fit." I never responded to that email, but a week later I got another email that said, "A response is required." I gave them a response all right. I basically told them to shove it.

Just recently a local small CPA emailed me out of the blue asking if I was available to work the tax season. I said that I had not committed to working during 2019 and that I would meet with him to discuss. When I showed up at this office the door was locked - nobody was there. I called and left a voice mail then followed up with an email and .....nothing. What an asshole.
I'm looking for a new job now  
NNJ Tom : 6/27/2018 9:37 am : link
This article makes me smile a little. I've applied for dozens of jobs where I haven't even received a robo email saying they've received the application.

I don't expect a formal letter, but common, how hard is it to automatically generate an email?

RE: I'm looking for a new job now  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/27/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14000586 NNJ Tom said:
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This article makes me smile a little. I've applied for dozens of jobs where I haven't even received a robo email saying they've received the application.

I don't expect a formal letter, but common, how hard is it to automatically generate an email?


What field are you in?
Unfortunately, I don't think this only  
Keith : 6/27/2018 10:00 am : link
happens with recruiters. I think this happens with any commission based job where the person isn't going to get paid. Its unprofessional and selfish, but I see it a lot these days.

Personally, I think its a terrible professional decision as you never know what the future brings, plus good things happen to people that do things the right way. It's a bad look on both sides.
RE: RE: I'm looking for a new job now  
NNJ Tom : 6/27/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 14000592 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14000586 NNJ Tom said:


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This article makes me smile a little. I've applied for dozens of jobs where I haven't even received a robo email saying they've received the application.

I don't expect a formal letter, but common, how hard is it to automatically generate an email?




What field are you in?


Financial Analyst with 20 years experience primarily in the power generation space.
ghosting is just slang for being a selfish piece of shit  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/27/2018 10:38 am : link
Do hiring companies and recruiters sometimes "ghost" candidates that they interview and meet with when they don't get the job? Yes, and that's wrong. It's equally wrong for candidates who are offered positions to ghost recruiters/companies and even worse when the person accepts the position.

People who "ghost" companies/recruiters as a sort of karmic payback because they themselves were once "ghosted" are even worse, because they know exactly the pain/frustration caused by the behavior.

Companies/recruiters who ghost candidates don't deserve strong candidates, and job-seekers who ghost recruiters/companies don't deserve good jobs. The same goes for "ghosting" in the dating world.
And yet my nephew who recently graduated  
Giant John : 6/27/2018 11:29 am : link
With a degree in risk management/finance and is a good guy canít find even a start up job in the insurance business. Itís frustrating with the garbage that goes on today.
I had it happen 3 times between '06-'08...  
Ryan : 6/27/2018 11:44 am : link
...by 3 very reputable large companies (well...at the time anyway) - J&J, GE and Cigna - and in all cases they indicated that they were beginning the offer process to me.

As a candidate I'd never even consider it. Takes very little effort to be the better person.
RE: I'm already sick of the word ghost  
schabadoo : 6/27/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 14000539 robbieballs2003 said:
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and any variation of it.


Yeah it was done when it started, nevermind having it twice in the post and again in the title.
It's literally worse to be raped, tortured, and killed  
Moondawg : 6/27/2018 12:21 pm : link
than to be ghosted. To start.
There's literally nothing worse  
Mr. Bungle : 6/27/2018 1:21 pm : link
than people misusing the word 'literally.'
I'm guilty of this  
DennyInDenville : 6/27/2018 4:49 pm : link
I need to be more alpha and let jobs know when I'm
Not interested. I've done this about a dozen times in the last 5 years being super picky with jobs and getting hot all at once with leads and offers after months of searching.

Ultimately I took the wrong job pay wise, but the best one work life balance wise
RE: I'm guilty of this  
NJGiantFan84 : 6/27/2018 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14000989 DennyInDenville said:
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I need to be more alpha and let jobs know when I'm
Not interested. I've done this about a dozen times in the last 5 years being super picky with jobs and getting hot all at once with leads and offers after months of searching.

Ultimately I took the wrong job pay wise, but the best one work life balance wise


What's the difference in pay? My job pays decent, but the work-life is amazing and it is a very secure job. I could make much more at other places, but I don't want to give up the work-life balance or the job security. I know I can work here until I retire.

Pay isn't everything. It's definitely a consideration but benefits, work-life and job security should also be considered.

I don't like delivering bad news either. But e-mail makes it easy. A short "I took a position elsewhere. Thank you for your consideration" can go a long way and you won't burn any bridges.
RE: RE: I'm guilty of this  
DennyInDenville : 6/27/2018 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14001000 NJGiantFan84 said:
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In comment 14000989 DennyInDenville said:


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I need to be more alpha and let jobs know when I'm
Not interested. I've done this about a dozen times in the last 5 years being super picky with jobs and getting hot all at once with leads and offers after months of searching.

Ultimately I took the wrong job pay wise, but the best one work life balance wise



What's the difference in pay? My job pays decent, but the work-life is amazing and it is a very secure job. I could make much more at other places, but I don't want to give up the work-life balance or the job security. I know I can work here until I retire.

Pay isn't everything. It's definitely a consideration but benefits, work-life and job security should also be considered.

I don't like delivering bad news either. But e-mail makes it easy. A short "I took a position elsewhere. Thank you for your consideration" can go a long way and you won't burn any bridges.

The pay difference came out to about an extra 10% or so maybe 25% if I wanted to be very optimistic. But the hours and schedule and work place and long term placement etc etc was all over the place at one of the main ones I ghosted so I simply took the offer that had great work team, culture, freedom, paid time off, all that good stuff I took. Only thing lacking with the job I took are those spicy bonuses. Pay is the name of the game though, if your gonna take less, just make sure you own the job you take instead to AN elite level and enjoy it more then other jobs when your on that 3 week vacation in the dead of winter on a tropical island enjoying the fruits the labor while FRESH and not dead tired from 6-8 months of work etc at a job that just kills your mind body and soul . A job should only kill one of those things max

Fully agree with everything you said, couldn't have said it better.

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