This was deep in today's news from Defender Dawg. We chose to forgo this years QB crop, and Webb might be the guy, but we still have to think about drafting a QB sometime in the near future.
| Said one scout: "You guys in the media get on us about 'next year,' but we were upfront that the quarterback class was going to be down. And that's why you see so many teams giving up the farm to get a quarterback this year. You'd rather trade up for an Allen or Rosen than bet on one of these guys." That's the reality teams are facing heading into the season. Barring a surprise, out-of-nowhere player like Mayfield rising through the ranks, it just doesn't look like a good year to need a quarterback. |
NFL Scouts Are 'Terrified' of 2019 QB Draft Class - (
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What are your thoughts on Will Grier? Guy can throw the long ball really well. I heard the in between routes are not as good.
2004 and 1983 are the cream of the crop, but I believe this qb draft class will end surpassing 2012 and 2005 in terms of overall accomplishment. Definitely a special group.
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Justin Herbert. I need to see more from guys like Drew Lock, Clayton Thorson, Shea Patterson, Jarrett Stidham, Jake Bentley, etc.
What are your thoughts on Will Grier? Guy can throw the long ball really well. I heard the in between routes are not as good.
Eh. He's going to be a 24-year old rookie, did PEDs, a bit undersized. I'd be wary.
Or maybe they were and someone just made a wrong pick? How will we know until several years down the line and results start pouring in. Was JJ Watt not good enough to beat out Blaine Gabbert on the draft board?
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Justin Herbert. I need to see more from guys like Drew Lock, Clayton Thorson, Shea Patterson, Jarrett Stidham, Jake Bentley, etc.
What are your thoughts on Will Grier? Guy can throw the long ball really well. I heard the in between routes are not as good.
Eh. He's going to be a 24-year old rookie, did PEDs, a bit undersized. I'd be wary.
Yeah the PEDs are troubling, but the game I watched, the dude could sling darts all over the field.
Glad we have both guys. It has to increase the odds of one of them working out.
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could be with us a long time
Glad we have both guys. It has to increase the odds of one of them working out.
Feels like Kent Graham and Danny Kennel all over again.
That ship has sailed
Yes 1983 was considered a big QB class and hyped pretty well. Granted things just couldn't get overblown then like they are now with social media and the like, but Elways was considered a generational talent. Marino was too though people were more wary of him due to the various rumors and such. Also took a step back his senior year. Kelly was this gutsy gunslinger and great leader. A QB with the mentality of a guy who plays in the trenches
Todd Blackledge was a top prospect but a cut below Marino. Chiefs really reached for him. Still it was thought he would have a good career. O'Brien went around where he was expected to go. Eason I remember being talked about as boom or bust by a few pundits.
Doesn't at least one QB "ride" nearly every year? Maybe not to the same degree as Mayfield, but I bet that when it's all said and done, at least one QB will look and play a whole lot better than how anyone expected him to look in the month in June.
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Barring a surprise, out-of-nowhere player like Mayfield rising through the ranks, it just doesn't look like a good year to need a quarterback.
Doesn't at least one QB "ride" nearly every year? Maybe not to the same degree as Mayfield, but I bet that when it's all said and done, at least one QB will look and play a whole lot better than how anyone expected him to look in the month in June.
The thing that gets me with Baker, is that people just loved him before the draft. Hell I admire him for being a 2 time walk-on, but I just know to many people that had a hardon for him way before he was drafted #1 overall. Apparently the Browns felt the same.
He's the right one - yes. Had a very sneaky, good year last year under Malzahn. Decent size, good athlete and underrated arm.
Some of these scouts that give media quotes...to be honest...are not very good at what they do. That is the nicest way I can put it.
There are 2-3 QBs that have legit top of draft potential at this point.
He's the right one - yes. Had a very sneaky, good year last year under Malzahn. Decent size, good athlete and underrated arm.
mentioned Stidham...
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Darnold, Rosen, and Allen weren't good enough to beat out a running back on the draft board despite playing a position that is consistently overrated around draft time. 2019 may not yield any future Super Bowl starters, but Giants brass felt 2018 wouldn't either.
Or maybe they were and someone just made a wrong pick? How will we know until several years down the line and results start pouring in. Was JJ Watt not good enough to beat out Blaine Gabbert on the draft board?
JJ Watt and Blaine Gabbert is a good example: Jacksonville took an inferior prospect because he plays the most important position. It happens almost every draft. The QBs float to the top and are often overvalued because of the position they play. In spite of all that, we took a running back over the three remaining "top" QBs. The Giants could be wrong, but I think it lines up with the prospects. They were/are far from can't miss.
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Justin Herbert. I need to see more from guys like Drew Lock, Clayton Thorson, Shea Patterson, Jarrett Stidham, Jake Bentley, etc.
What are your thoughts on Will Grier? Guy can throw the long ball really well. I heard the in between routes are not as good.
Eh. He's going to be a 24-year old rookie, did PEDs, a bit undersized. I'd be wary.
I’m not wary, he’s one of very few qb’s who has had success throwing the ball in the SEC. Should not be ignored.
Right now, the class looks questionable, Stanford’s QB looks like he could be very good.
But I’m still skeptical about passing on Darnold, that was a tough one for me, hopefully, after this year, we won’t need to draft another QB so soo. Because of Eli.
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could be with us a long time
Glad we have both guys. It has to increase the odds of one of them working out.
Feels like Kent Graham and Danny Kennel all over again.
Danny Kannel wasn’t so terrible, it was when it was Dave Brown or Kent Graham when being a Giant fan was really tough.
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could be with us a long time
Glad we have both guys. It has to increase the odds of one of them working out.
Feels like Kent Graham and Danny Kennel all over again.
Danny Kannel wasn’t so terrible, it was when it was Dave Brown or Kent Graham when being a Giant fan was really tough.
The Dave Brown years are when I first have memories of Giants football. I was alive during the Super Bowls, but I can't remember anything before the Dan Reeve's teams, so I dread going back to those times.
Some of these scouts that give media quotes...to be honest...are not very good at what they do. That is the nicest way I can put it.
There are 2-3 QBs that have legit top of draft potential at this point.
Agreed. Buffalo, Arizona, and Baltimore didn't "give up the farm" to get Allen, Rosen, or Jackson.
Why is that terrifying? Is there some rule that says "You must draft a QB regardless of how you rank him?"
And as for the Giants, if the guys they have don't work out, there will be other guys. Yeah, they might have to make a big, scary trade, like the one they did with San Diego. And for years afterward people will say the Giants got fleeced, like they said about the Eli trade. But the Giants got two Lombardis out of Eli and San Diego isn't even San Diego anymore.
These 2 young guys with our QB Whisperer coach could surprise.
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could be with us a long time
Glad we have both guys. It has to increase the odds of one of them working out.
Feels like Kent Graham and Danny Kennel all over again.
Danny Kanell (but a weak arm, no matter how you spell his name.
The Giants have two prospects at lower levels of promise being immersed in the system along with Eli, they're alright in the interim until the better prospect presents himself.
[quote] out of thin air, and they're not in every draft.
The Giants have two prospects at lower levels of promise being immersed in the system along with Eli, they're alright in the interim until the better prospect presents himself. [/quote)
The giants should have drafted Darnold. Doesnt mean barkley wont be good
Recall Joe Montana didn't start a game until the middle of his junior year, and was drafted in the third round IIRC.
For all they know, the next Tom Brady is lurking in there. To make any strategic decision off of such ignorance is....ignorant
But the state of the future of the teams QB situation is shaky at best. Behind the aging, Iron Man Eli is a completely untested Webb, and a 'possibility' rookie QB.
The Giants need a REAL backup on the roster. A Jeff Rutledge. A Hostetler. Someone who could actually win games if Manning gets hurt.
Anyone here deal in Risk at their job? Risk is measured in 'Likelihood' and 'Consequence' scale of 1-5.
Manning injury during 18' season:
Likelihood of a Manning injury as a 3. The fact he hasn't been hurt over the last few years is miraculous, OL still has Flowers on it and a subpar Center.
Consequence at a 5. They won't win games without him.
3,5 = RED. A critical risk.
Can lower the consequence with a reasonable, proven backup QB. (See Eagles for reference)
Get another good arm in camp. Now.
Imagine if "Jints Central" operated like that?
And the funny thing is that people here almost seem to want that!
For now I have to defer to the professionals as knowing better than me, and I'm thrilled to have the best prospect in the draft wearing blue as a consolation.
Time will tell. I do think SB has a significant chance of being the best player from this draft, and that we'll find Eli's successor when the time is right.