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Jenkins' brother charged with manslaughter

BigBlueHens : 6/27/2018 5:01 pm
Wow.
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Tweet from Official Bergen County Prosecutor's Office  
BigBlueHens : 6/27/2018 5:04 pm : link
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#BCPONJ & @FairLawnPD announce William H. JENKINS, Jr. of Fair Lawn, charged: Agg. Manslaughter for death of Roosevelt Rene.

JENKINS in custody in Ontario Co., NY. Investigation ongoing, unable to release further info. Charges merely accusations. Defendant presumed innocent.
So os this the time we check back on the initial and stickied  
Big Blue '56 : 6/27/2018 5:04 pm : link
JJ thread and revisit the judgements and conclusion-jumping? 😎😎
I should have said premature  
Big Blue '56 : 6/27/2018 5:05 pm : link
Judgements and conclusion-jumping..:)
RE: I should have said premature  
section125 : 6/27/2018 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14001008 Big Blue '56 said:
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Judgements and conclusion-jumping..:)


Clue me in, what was prematurely speculated?
RE: RE: I should have said premature  
Big Blue '56 : 6/27/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14001010 section125 said:
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In comment 14001008 Big Blue '56 said:


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Judgements and conclusion-jumping..:)



Clue me in, what was prematurely speculated?


Read the thread, among them, this can’t be good for Jenkins, Re Jenkins in Fl but OJ was in Chicago, this can’t be good for Jenkins and the Giants, etc., etc.,
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Mad Mike : 6/27/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14001012 Big Blue '56 said:
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Re Jenkins in Fl but OJ was in Chicago,

There was no shortage of stupid in that thread, but this one was really special.
You could see it going this way  
ZogZerg : 6/27/2018 5:25 pm : link
Yesterday
Not really a surprise.
It’s life  
djstat : 6/27/2018 5:26 pm : link
People speculate. When Aaron Hernandez was originally a person of interest reports were police did not consider him a suspect. That changed fast. In this case JJ was no where near home. Ease up on the people who were thinking JJ was involved it’s called human nature.
Maybe this sounds stupid  
Knee of Theismann : 6/27/2018 5:34 pm : link
But the fact it happened on Jackrabbit's property... it's still not 100% certain he wasn't involved somehow, right? And by involved I just mean like had knowledge of it and participated in the cover up or something... Or can we be sure now that he is free and clear?
very sad  
blueblood : 6/27/2018 5:34 pm : link
too many people dying.. too young..
RE: Maybe this sounds stupid  
djstat : 6/27/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14001026 Knee of Theismann said:
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But the fact it happened on Jackrabbit's property... it's still not 100% certain he wasn't involved somehow, right? And by involved I just mean like had knowledge of it and participated in the cover up or something... Or can we be sure now that he is free and clear?
He's been in Florida for 2.5 weeks...how involved could he be?
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section125 : 6/27/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14001012 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14001010 section125 said:


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In comment 14001008 Big Blue '56 said:


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Judgements and conclusion-jumping..:)



Clue me in, what was prematurely speculated?



Read the thread, among them, this can’t be good for Jenkins, Re Jenkins in Fl but OJ was in Chicago, this can’t be good for Jenkins and the Giants, etc., etc.,


No, I read that. And no, it can't be good for JJ having his brother being arrested. Not blaming JJ at all, but it has to affect him.
RE: Maybe this sounds stupid  
ZogZerg : 6/27/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14001026 Knee of Theismann said:
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But the fact it happened on Jackrabbit's property... it's still not 100% certain he wasn't involved somehow, right? And by involved I just mean like had knowledge of it and participated in the cover up or something... Or can we be sure now that he is free and clear?


What cover up?
Body was in the basement.
And by accounts the deceased is a close friend  
ron mexico : 6/27/2018 5:41 pm : link
Not a good day for jackrabbit.
people watch too much tv  
wigs in nyc : 6/27/2018 5:52 pm : link
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If you..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/27/2018 5:55 pm : link
read this thread with the Law and Order "Bong Bong" in between posts, it almost makes it bearable.
RE: If you..  
adamg : 6/27/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14001043 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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read this thread with the Law and Order "Bong Bong" in between posts, it almost makes it bearable.
Thank you. It really does add some levity.
manslaughter  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/27/2018 6:10 pm : link
Curious. Going to be interesting to find out what happened. One would think it is hard to get strangled and have it be manslaughter.
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Big Blue '56 : 6/27/2018 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14001032 section125 said:
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In comment 14001012 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 14001010 section125 said:


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In comment 14001008 Big Blue '56 said:


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Judgements and conclusion-jumping..:)



Clue me in, what was prematurely speculated?



Read the thread, among them, this can’t be good for Jenkins, Re Jenkins in Fl but OJ was in Chicago, this can’t be good for Jenkins and the Giants, etc., etc.,



No, I read that. And no, it can't be good for JJ having his brother being arrested. Not blaming JJ at all, but it has to affect him.


Of course it will affect him unless he and his brother have been estranged and even then it might. But at least he’ll be in our Secondary..😎
The crime of manslaughter doesn't necessarily have to  
eclipz928 : 6/27/2018 6:22 pm : link
center around intent. You can get charged with it simply by doing something that a reasonable person would know could cause injury or death.

A murder charge may be more appropriate here but if there's limited evidence the prosecutor is going to go with the charge with the lower standard of conviction. He can still get at least 20 years.
RE: manslaughter  
UConn4523 : 6/27/2018 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14001058 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Curious. Going to be interesting to find out what happened. One would think it is hard to get strangled and have it be manslaughter.


I’m guessing that intent will be too hard to prove and that they think they can prove an argument escalated, he attacked and went too far.
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Rflairr : 6/27/2018 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14001063 UConn4523 said:
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Curious. Going to be interesting to find out what happened. One would think it is hard to get strangled and have it be manslaughter.



I’m guessing that intent will be too hard to prove and that they think they can prove an argument escalated, he attacked and went too far.


Or maybe there were cameras all around the house and the whole thing is on video?
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mrvax : 6/27/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14001067 Rflairr said:
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Or maybe there were cameras all around the house and the whole thing is on video?


Check social media. It may already be posted.
What was he doing in Ontario County?  
81_Great_Dane : 6/27/2018 6:40 pm : link
I mean, Canandaigua's nice and all, but that seems random.
RE: The crime of manslaughter doesn't necessarily have to  
Giants_West : 6/27/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14001062 eclipz928 said:
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center around intent. You can get charged with it simply by doing something that a reasonable person would know could cause injury or death.

A murder charge may be more appropriate here but if there's limited evidence the prosecutor is going to go with the charge with the lower standard of conviction. He can still get at least 20 years.



If there was limited evidence at this time don’t you think they would have held off on charging him? They clearly have a solid picture of what went down and his involvement (or think they do). Maybe they figure a murder charge would draw too much public scrutiny given the facts at hand, and figure an aggravated charge gives them enough leverage to force a plea to simple manslaughter 8-12?
RE: What was he doing in Ontario County?  
Pete in 'Vliet : 6/27/2018 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14001074 81_Great_Dane said:
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I mean, Canandaigua's nice and all, but that seems random.


Hmm I wonder what his reason for trying to out of the country could be?
Could be but  
mrvax : 6/27/2018 6:56 pm : link
as detectives and the M.E. look into this, charges can always be upgraded.
Anyone have any guesses  
bhill410 : 6/27/2018 7:00 pm : link
Why JJs attorneys have advised him not to travel back to New Jersey? I mean that makes me a little nervous not going to lie.
Id be shocked  
bigbb : 6/27/2018 7:13 pm : link
Because janoris is brother did something stupid and horrendous everybody's gotta stop putting the blame on janoris until all the facts come out it's becoming ridiculous
RE: Anyone have any guesses  
mrvax : 6/27/2018 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14001086 bhill410 said:
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Why JJs attorneys have advised him not to travel back to New Jersey? I mean that makes me a little nervous not going to lie.


Hypothetical: If JJ is taken in for an interview, he may say something by mistake that could get his brother into more trouble or even involve himself.
RE: Anyone have any guesses  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14001086 bhill410 said:
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Why JJs attorneys have advised him not to travel back to New Jersey? I mean that makes me a little nervous not going to lie.


The job of an attorney is to protect the client. Allowing him to set a foot back in that house as the owner of that house exposes him to be dragged into this even if he had zero involvement.
what I said in the other thread still relevant  
Jay in Toronto : 6/27/2018 7:50 pm : link
the impact on Rabbit, his psyche, concentration etc

I think part of Apple's issues last year was him Mom, especially in light of her medical illness, surgery etc
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micky : 6/27/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14001012 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14001008 Big Blue '56 said:


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Judgements and conclusion-jumping..:)



Clue me in, what was prematurely speculated?



Read the thread, among them, this can’t be good for Jenkins, Re Jenkins in Fl but OJ was in Chicago, this can’t be good for Jenkins and the Giants, etc., etc.,


hey 56..go fuck yourself
RE: what I said in the other thread still relevant  
UConn4523 : 6/27/2018 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14001108 Jay in Toronto said:
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the impact on Rabbit, his psyche, concentration etc

I think part of Apple's issues last year was him Mom, especially in light of her medical illness, surgery etc


Then so be it. It’s just football.
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Big Blue '56 : 6/27/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14001118 micky said:
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In comment 14001008 Big Blue '56 said:


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Judgements and conclusion-jumping..:)



Clue me in, what was prematurely speculated?



Read the thread, among them, this can’t be good for Jenkins, Re Jenkins in Fl but OJ was in Chicago, this can’t be good for Jenkins and the Giants, etc., etc.,



hey 56..go fuck yourself


You really took offense at that given a bunch said that? My supposed friend..Oh well, bye, bye
RE: what I said in the other thread still relevant  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14001108 Jay in Toronto said:
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the impact on Rabbit, his psyche, concentration etc

I think part of Apple's issues last year was him Mom, especially in light of her medical illness, surgery etc


Everyone handles things differently. Eli Apple was a 21 year old child who was going through issues with his mother and father. Jenkins is 29 years old and has been through a lot more adversity off the field. Some self-inflicted, some not.
RE: RE: The crime of manslaughter doesn't necessarily have to  
eclipz928 : 6/27/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14001080 Giants_West said:
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In comment 14001062 eclipz928 said:


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center around intent. You can get charged with it simply by doing something that a reasonable person would know could cause injury or death.

A murder charge may be more appropriate here but if there's limited evidence the prosecutor is going to go with the charge with the lower standard of conviction. He can still get at least 20 years.




If there was limited evidence at this time don’t you think they would have held off on charging him? They clearly have a solid picture of what went down and his involvement (or think they do). Maybe they figure a murder charge would draw too much public scrutiny given the facts at hand, and figure an aggravated charge gives them enough leverage to force a plea to simple manslaughter 8-12?

Limited evidence in terms of proving premeditation. But yes, if they're charging him this early then it would indicate that there's already strong evidence available.
RE: RE: what I said in the other thread still relevant  
madgiantscow009 : 6/27/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14001127 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14001108 Jay in Toronto said:


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the impact on Rabbit, his psyche, concentration etc

I think part of Apple's issues last year was him Mom, especially in light of her medical illness, surgery etc



Everyone handles things differently. Eli Apple was a 21 year old child who was going through issues with his mother and father. Jenkins is 29 years old and has been through a lot more adversity off the field. Some self-inflicted, some not.


thats an old child.
RE: RE: RE: what I said in the other thread still relevant  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14001141 madgiantscow009 said:
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the impact on Rabbit, his psyche, concentration etc

I think part of Apple's issues last year was him Mom, especially in light of her medical illness, surgery etc



Everyone handles things differently. Eli Apple was a 21 year old child who was going through issues with his mother and father. Jenkins is 29 years old and has been through a lot more adversity off the field. Some self-inflicted, some not.



thats an old child.


Pro athletes are usually well behind the curve in terms of life experience. Their entire life has been about specializing to make it to the pros. Think about how many stories you've heard of athletes going broke because of needing to hire people to manage their lives for them, or having no concept of managing finances.
RE: Maybe this sounds stupid  
Boy Cord : 6/27/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14001026 Knee of Theismann said:
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But the fact it happened on Jackrabbit's property... it's still not 100% certain he wasn't involved somehow, right? And by involved I just mean like had knowledge of it and participated in the cover up or something... Or can we be sure now that he is free and clear?


I completely agree with you.
Tragedy all around...  
Dan in the Springs : 6/27/2018 11:37 pm : link
The only thing funny about this is the comments claiming vindication for not jumping the gun yesterday, as though the news today finalizes everything and there are/will be no new facts revealed.

I think there is still so much of this story to be time for any one side of the debate to claim victory.
RE: RE: Maybe this sounds stupid  
BMac : 6/28/2018 5:20 am : link
In comment 14001031 djstat said:
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In comment 14001026 Knee of Theismann said:


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But the fact it happened on Jackrabbit's property... it's still not 100% certain he wasn't involved somehow, right? And by involved I just mean like had knowledge of it and participated in the cover up or something... Or can we be sure now that he is free and clear?

He's been in Florida for 2.5 weeks...how involved could he be?


Al Capone was in Florida during the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Coincidence?
this may be a bit of semantice but...  
Mike in St. Louis : 6/28/2018 9:07 am : link
it wasn't really Jenkins' property...he has rented the house for two years and supposedly a lot of people come and go, especially during the offseason...
RE: Tragedy all around...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 14001207 Dan in the Springs said:
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The only thing funny about this is the comments claiming vindication for not jumping the gun yesterday, as though the news today finalizes everything and there are/will be no new facts revealed.

I think there is still so much of this story to be time for any one side of the debate to claim victory.


It's weird to even take sides over this. We don't know much of anything.
RE: this may be a bit of semantice but...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 14001267 Mike in St. Louis said:
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it wasn't really Jenkins' property...he has rented the house for two years and supposedly a lot of people come and go, especially during the offseason...


If his name is on the lease, it kind of is. If you're renting a house and someone you allowed to stay there tears it up, who's responsible?
Probably mentioned somewhere,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/28/2018 9:36 am : link
but who discovered the body?
RE: Probably mentioned somewhere,  
ron mexico : 6/28/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14001294 Big Blue '56 said:
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but who discovered the body?


a think a cleaning lady or similar

RE: Tragedy all around...  
Danny Kanell : 6/28/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 14001207 Dan in the Springs said:
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The only thing funny about this is the comments claiming vindication for not jumping the gun yesterday, as though the news today finalizes everything and there are/will be no new facts revealed.

I think there is still so much of this story to be time for any one side of the debate to claim victory.


I’ve been on vacation so I’m kinda catching up on everything but I agree with this.
RE: RE: Probably mentioned somewhere,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/28/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14001300 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14001294 Big Blue '56 said:


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but who discovered the body?



a think a cleaning lady or similar


Thank you, Ron
Monday morning fight  
bluepepper : 6/28/2018 3:41 pm : link
and then William Jenkins fled the state.
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William Jenkins..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/28/2018 3:45 pm : link
sounds like a helluva guy!
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