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Giants 2018 Positional Breakdown: Tight Ends

Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2018 9:16 am
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Giants 2018 Positional Breakdown: Tight Ends - ( New Window )
With all the focus on OBJ and Barkley  
AnnapolisMike : 6/28/2018 9:39 am : link
Engram is the player to watch and if the Giants are going to have a winning season...he will be a major factor.
Engram is my guy this year  
adamg : 6/28/2018 9:45 am : link
Expecting a huge year too
RE: With all the focus on OBJ and Barkley  
allstarjim : 6/28/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 14001297 AnnapolisMike said:
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Engram is the player to watch and if the Giants are going to have a winning season...he will be a major factor.


I agree. I think Barkley's presence is going to help Engram A LOT. Last two seasons, Kyle Rudolph had 1372 yards and 15 TDs on 140 catches and a whopping 213 targets. I expect that if Engram gets similar target numbers he will blow those stats away.
While there are only so many balls to go around: J. Adams surprises  
SGMen : 6/28/2018 10:13 am : link
I would not be shocked if Engram, Ellison, Adams produce 125 catches for 1500+ yards, 15+ TD's.

And I do believe Engram can be special.

On paper, this is potentially our strongest group on offense followed by RB (assuming Barkley is who we think; Gallman improves, and Steward is still a short yardage & goal line stud & LEADER.
my favorite thing about engram  
QB Snacks : 6/28/2018 12:44 pm : link
is the character he showed last year. WHile others were dogging it this kid gave 100% all 16 games.
TE’s  
Dragon : 6/28/2018 12:49 pm : link
Engram has to be even better than he was last year very surprised they did nothing to really upgrade the position in FA’s or the draft. I don’t see anything special about the rest of the TE’s on this roster as blockers or receivers. If Engram gets hurt same scenario as WR last year the TE position becomes the worst in the NFL.
RE: Engram is my guy this year  
mrvax : 6/28/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14001307 adamg said:
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Expecting a huge year too


Engram needs to spend a lot of time with the Juggs machine to cut his drop rate. Exciting player.

The Shurmur quote about the 2 TE set  
Snacks : 6/28/2018 4:50 pm : link
is one I like.

I know we have some different players now on the OL but i'm baffled as to why McAdoo didn't use that 2 TE set more and less of the 11 when you consider what it forces a defense to do (when you have a weapon like Engram).
Adams.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/28/2018 5:22 pm : link
could very well get cut.

His biggest flaw in college was his work ethic and ability to pick up the playbook and we have no idea if he's improved in those areas.

His lack of playing time in the first two years may suggest it is still a problem.
Fatman  
XBRONX : 6/28/2018 6:23 pm : link
Agree. Dont know what people see in Adams.
RE: Fatman  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/28/2018 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14001956 XBRONX said:
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Agree. Dont know what people see in Adams.


As Fatman said, he certainly could get cut, but the attraction is he is a heck of an athlete for his size and you see flashes of real ability as a blocker and a receiver. He's a big tight end who can get down the field. He can also block in line. That's a prized commodity.
Adams on  
Jimmy Googs : 6/28/2018 7:07 pm : link
but not sure
Adams seems like what you want  
Jimmy Googs : 6/28/2018 7:08 pm : link
in 3rd TE. And still extremely young.

What’s the issue?
RE: RE: Fatman  
SGMen : 6/29/2018 8:10 am : link
In comment 14001959 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14001956 XBRONX said:


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Agree. Dont know what people see in Adams.



As Fatman said, he certainly could get cut, but the attraction is he is a heck of an athlete for his size and you see flashes of real ability as a blocker and a receiver. He's a big tight end who can get down the field. He can also block in line. That's a prized commodity.
Again, it is year #3 for him so hopefully he has his "coming out" party as he matures.

His lack of playing time last year is more a by product of McAdoo's coaching and offense then his lack of ability, but I'll admit that is more of a guess on my part than FACT.

Adams..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/29/2018 9:21 am : link
has all the physical tools and he has a lot of promise.

The knock on him has been his inability to put the work in.

I honestly don't know if he has. He had half the receptions in year 2 than he did in year 1 and played less snaps.

Maybe he just wasn't utilized by Mac last year vs the year before, or maybe he hadn't been developing. In year 3, if he hasn't figured it out, the team could likely decide to go a different direction.

Put it this way, I don't think they are bringing in a lot of TE's to look at to replace Ellison or Engram. I could be wrong, but I believe Adams will have to have a hell of a camp and produce in the preseason or he'll not make the team.
Are you predicting 2 , 1000 yard receivers?  
youtoo2 : 6/29/2018 10:40 am : link
@Eric: In the post you predicted that Evan Engram will get to 1000 yards. Is this even with a healthy Odell Beckham? Beckham gets a lot of balls. We also have a back that will get a lot balls thrown to him.

For 2 , 1000 yard receivers and a back like Barkley, that means either Sterling Shepard doesn't get as many balls thrown to him or Eli has a 5000 yard year plus there is not a lot of depth.

Receiving Yards
Beckham: 1200
Engram: 1000
Shepard: 750
Barkley: 650

Total: 3600 yards before any other receiver touches the ball.Plus we should expect the Giants to run more. So this means there is no depth to throw to at all or Eli has a 5000+ yard year and we have a 1000 back. Has that ever happened?

The only way I see Engram getting that many receptions is the Giants score 30 points a game and light it up or someone gets hurt or under performs.

youtoo2  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/29/2018 11:39 am : link
My out-on-a-limb prediction is that Engram will lead the team in receptions and touchdowns, and accrue over 1,000 yards receiving.
RE: Are you predicting 2 , 1000 yard receivers?  
SGMen : 6/29/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14002270 youtoo2 said:
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@Eric: In the post you predicted that Evan Engram will get to 1000 yards. Is this even with a healthy Odell Beckham? Beckham gets a lot of balls. We also have a back that will get a lot balls thrown to him.

For 2 , 1000 yard receivers and a back like Barkley, that means either Sterling Shepard doesn't get as many balls thrown to him or Eli has a 5000 yard year plus there is not a lot of depth.

Receiving Yards
Beckham: 1200
Engram: 1000
Shepard: 750
Barkley: 650

Total: 3600 yards before any other receiver touches the ball.Plus we should expect the Giants to run more. So this means there is no depth to throw to at all or Eli has a 5000+ yard year and we have a 1000 back. Has that ever happened?

The only way I see Engram getting that many receptions is the Giants score 30 points a game and light it up or someone gets hurt or under performs.
Good post.

Receiving Yards
Beckham: 1400
Engram: 1100
Shepard: 900
Barkley: 750

That is 4150 or so before any other receiver touches the ball. The ONLY way this happens though is 1. We stay healthy, 2. Barkley is as good as advertised, 3. Young players like OC Hilapio develop and some veterans finally get to their potential (E. Flowers esp.).
RE: RE: Are you predicting 2 , 1000 yard receivers?  
youtoo2 : 6/29/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14002430 SGMen said:
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In comment 14002270 youtoo2 said:


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@Eric: In the post you predicted that Evan Engram will get to 1000 yards. Is this even with a healthy Odell Beckham? Beckham gets a lot of balls. We also have a back that will get a lot balls thrown to him.

For 2 , 1000 yard receivers and a back like Barkley, that means either Sterling Shepard doesn't get as many balls thrown to him or Eli has a 5000 yard year plus there is not a lot of depth.

Receiving Yards
Beckham: 1200
Engram: 1000
Shepard: 750
Barkley: 650

Total: 3600 yards before any other receiver touches the ball.Plus we should expect the Giants to run more. So this means there is no depth to throw to at all or Eli has a 5000+ yard year and we have a 1000 back. Has that ever happened?

The only way I see Engram getting that many receptions is the Giants score 30 points a game and light it up or someone gets hurt or under performs.


Good post.

Receiving Yards
Beckham: 1400
Engram: 1100
Shepard: 900
Barkley: 750

That is 4150 or so before any other receiver touches the ball. The ONLY way this happens though is 1. We stay healthy, 2. Barkley is as good as advertised, 3. Young players like OC Hilapio develop and some veterans finally get to their potential (E. Flowers esp.).


Only way you get that many yards concentrated in 4 guys is if everyone else is lousy and they do not spread the ball out at all. I do not expect enough touches for guys to concentrate yards like this, especially if the Giants have a running game.
RE: youtoo2  
youtoo2 : 6/29/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14002365 Eric from BBI said:
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My out-on-a-limb prediction is that Engram will lead the team in receptions and touchdowns, and accrue over 1,000 yards receiving.


Why do you think Engram will get more than Beckham? Do you expect him to not be 100%? I do not think Engram looked real good. He had a ton of targets. His conversion rate was not very good. He had yards due to targets. He did not get much separation. Why do you think he will leap frog Beckham? Is his injury worse than we think?
youtoo2  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/29/2018 4:36 pm : link
Get more what?
great review  
Vanzetti : 6/29/2018 6:49 pm : link
I like Adams a lot as the third TE, but with a new coaching staff, you never know what can happen
Adams was in  
XBRONX : 6/29/2018 7:52 pm : link
on 16% of snaps. If the other TE's stay healthy I think that number goes down. I see Ellison getting more snaps this year.
Eric that is a bold prediction.....  
Doomster : 6/29/2018 9:18 pm : link
Double E does have the potential to do that.....

But did not really show that "wow" factor last year....his numbers were inflated because he was the only real option...

I see this offense being more spread out, and if Eli has time for 2nd, or possibly 3rd reads, there will be more equal distribution, and I don't think he achieves those numbers...

If OBj gets his contract and plays like the old OBj, this will probably still be an OBj led offense, unless the opposition does everything in their power to stop him, opening up avenues for other players....

And if Barkley is the real deal right out of the gate, this offense could become more run oriented.....
RE: RE: youtoo2  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2018 12:42 am : link
In comment 14002458 youtoo2 said:
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He did not get much separation.


Based on what? He was in the top 5 on plays over 20 yards among TEs and his athletic ability is well known. This is an inaccurate statement.

RE: Eric that is a bold prediction.....  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2018 12:47 am : link
In comment 14002839 Doomster said:
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his numbers were inflated because he was the only real option...



So if he was the only real option, and he was, that would make it pretty easy to gameplan a defense for him. And yet, plenty of production.
RE: youtoo2  
youtoo2 : 6/30/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14002669 Eric from BBI said:
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Get more what?


Why do you think Engram will get more yards/TDs than Beckham?
youtoo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/30/2018 8:01 pm : link
Odell will be doubled. Now linebackers will have to pay more attention to Saquon. Engram is too fast. Manning likes throwing to him, and that really continued through the spring workouts. Engram is a better red zone weapon than Beckham.
If Adams bulks up ...  
Manny in CA : 7/1/2018 12:21 am : link

And masters the art of blocking in the NFL, he can be valuable 3rd TE (because he's more athletic than his competition). He has OK hands.

Seems like his biggest problem is between his ears, not much to work with.
Great  
AcidTest : 7/1/2018 12:35 pm : link
review. Thanks.
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