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NFT: Prayers for my former colleagues here in Annapolis

AnnapolisMike : 6/28/2018 6:00 pm
I used to work for the Sunpaper and have friends who work for the Capital. You never think these things will hit close to home. . . But they do.

What drives people to do these things is beyond comprehension.
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If you're going to use...  
Chris in Philly : 6/29/2018 11:55 am : link
inflammatory language calling for violent acts, when you mean it literally or figuratively, then you should be responsible when some whacko takes your advice. And 2 years of calls for violence against the media is going to result in things like this. If you're too insulated or stupid to see that, then that's a shame...
RE: If you're going to use...  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14002390 Chris in Philly said:
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inflammatory language calling for violent acts, when you mean it literally or figuratively, then you should be responsible when some whacko takes your advice. And 2 years of calls for violence against the media is going to result in things like this. If you're too insulated or stupid to see that, then that's a shame...


So you blame democratic leaders for Steve Scalise?

Do you blame democratic leaders for Rand Paul being attacked at his home?

Do you blame democratic leaders for antifa?

If the calls actually were for violence I'd agree, but imploring the media to do their job and report facts isn't a call for violence in most of the examples provided.

Yes, Milo texted a reporter and that text suggested violence. I don't think it impacted this instance. I won't speak for everyone since I don't follow Milo on any social media or other outlets, but almost no one heard about that until after the fact then blamed him.

and think about it, who shared that text with the public? Milo didn't. if it was so dangerous and potentially toxic, maybe they shouldn't have shared a private text.
RE: If you're going to use...  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14002390 Chris in Philly said:
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inflammatory language calling for violent acts, when you mean it literally or figuratively, then you should be responsible when some whacko takes your advice.


Except for the fact that there isn't the slightest scrap of evidence that his acts had anything at all to do with Donald Trump or Dana Loesch or Milo Yiannopolis or whichever boogeyman you choose to duct-tape to this.

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Marquardt said he called the Anne Arundel County police about Ramos in 2013, but nothing came of it. He consulted the paper's lawyers about filing a restraining order, but decided against it.

“I remember telling our attorneys, 'This is a guy who is going to come in and shoot us,’ ” he said.


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Chris in Philly : 6/29/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14002397 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14002390 Chris in Philly said:


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inflammatory language calling for violent acts, when you mean it literally or figuratively, then you should be responsible when some whacko takes your advice. And 2 years of calls for violence against the media is going to result in things like this. If you're too insulated or stupid to see that, then that's a shame...



So you blame democratic leaders for Steve Scalise?

Do you blame democratic leaders for Rand Paul being attacked at his home?

Do you blame democratic leaders for antifa?

If the calls actually were for violence I'd agree, but imploring the media to do their job and report facts isn't a call for violence in most of the examples provided.

Yes, Milo texted a reporter and that text suggested violence. I don't think it impacted this instance. I won't speak for everyone since I don't follow Milo on any social media or other outlets, but almost no one heard about that until after the fact then blamed him.

and think about it, who shared that text with the public? Milo didn't. if it was so dangerous and potentially toxic, maybe they shouldn't have shared a private text.


No, I don't blame dem leaders for Steve Scalise or Rand Paul because they are not the ones using literal or figurative calls for violence. This is not that hard.

Milo sent something to a REPORTER and didn't think it would be reported? Milo doesn't take a shit if he doesn't think he can get publicity for it.
Ok  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2018 12:07 pm : link
you blame Milo and Dana Loesch and the president and the rest of the nazis.

I blame the crazy gunman and only the crazy gunman.

I think we can leave it there, unless you have any other insults you want to throw my way, then we can leave it there after the insults.

and all that might mean something if the shooter had anything to do  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2018 12:08 pm : link
with Milo Yiannopolis. Since he didn't, it's utterly irrelevant.
RE: Ok  
Chris in Philly : 6/29/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14002402 pjcas18 said:
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you blame Milo and Dana Loesch and the president and the rest of the nazis.

I blame the crazy gunman and only the crazy gunman.

I think we can leave it there, unless you have any other insults you want to throw my way, then we can leave it there after the insults.


Adorable...
my concern  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/29/2018 12:13 pm : link
isn't about sane people hearing the overtly violent rhetoric and suddenly calling to arms.

My concern is about those who are already unhinged that take the calls at face value. The crazies who shoot up a pizza place because they were told there was pedophilia ring run out of there, the people who harass grieving parents because they were told Sandy Hook was a hoax by the government to take away their guns, the people running militia operations in response to "Jade Helm" being an operation for Obama to set up martial law in the country.
RE: my concern  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/29/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14002405 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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isn't about sane people hearing the overtly violent rhetoric and suddenly calling to arms.

My concern is about those who are already unhinged that take the calls at face value. The crazies who shoot up a pizza place because they were told there was pedophilia ring run out of there, the people who harass grieving parents because they were told Sandy Hook was a hoax by the government to take away their guns, the people running militia operations in response to "Jade Helm" being an operation for Obama to set up martial law in the country.


Exactly. You got a lot of people who have a few screws loose to begin with & they start hearing this inflammatory rhetoric & stories & decide to do something about it. It's dangerous.
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Sonic Youth : 6/29/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14002409 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14002405 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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isn't about sane people hearing the overtly violent rhetoric and suddenly calling to arms.

My concern is about those who are already unhinged that take the calls at face value. The crazies who shoot up a pizza place because they were told there was pedophilia ring run out of there, the people who harass grieving parents because they were told Sandy Hook was a hoax by the government to take away their guns, the people running militia operations in response to "Jade Helm" being an operation for Obama to set up martial law in the country.



Exactly. You got a lot of people who have a few screws loose to begin with & they start hearing this inflammatory rhetoric & stories & decide to do something about it. It's dangerous.
And to act like the climate of attacking journalists and calling for violence against them - regardless of whether people are cowardly enough to hide behind just "joking" or being "figurative" - doesn't at the very least normalize the concept of violence against the press is crazy.

And no, pjacs, anyone who understands english can see the difference between Maxine Waters telling people to "push back" and milo saying he can't wait till reporters are gunned down, Dana Loesch talking about curbstomping, or the fucking President saying the press are the "enemy of the people".

Curbstomping = okay, but push back = call to violence equivalent to calling for people to be gunned down.

Come. On.
RE: my concern  
Les in TO : 6/29/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14002405 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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isn't about sane people hearing the overtly violent rhetoric and suddenly calling to arms.

My concern is about those who are already unhinged that take the calls at face value. The crazies who shoot up a pizza place because they were told there was pedophilia ring run out of there, the people who harass grieving parents because they were told Sandy Hook was a hoax by the government to take away their guns, the people running militia operations in response to "Jade Helm" being an operation for Obama to set up martial law in the country.
I agree that in terms of physical security I would be most concerned both about the unhinged. I would also add that there are lemmings who take the "fake news" childish insults at face value and contribute to a normalization of hate for the press both on social media and in rallies (and yet take what is said on gossip and offshore opinion sites as the gospel). They act as fuel for the unhinged.
Milo Yiannopoulos, the most useless fucking Greek on the planet  
jcn56 : 6/29/2018 1:30 pm : link
and let's remember that's an entire country that can't collectively pay for a fucking cup of coffee these days.
I'd bet that Ramos has  
Bill in UT : 6/29/2018 1:56 pm : link
no clue who Milo is, let alone that he's heard from him recently
RE: I'd bet that Ramos has  
Chris in Philly : 6/29/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14002545 Bill in UT said:
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no clue who Milo is, let alone that he's heard from him recently


An interesting theory that you are pulling completely out of your ass...
RE: RE: my concern  
Sean : 6/29/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14002409 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14002405 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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isn't about sane people hearing the overtly violent rhetoric and suddenly calling to arms.

My concern is about those who are already unhinged that take the calls at face value. The crazies who shoot up a pizza place because they were told there was pedophilia ring run out of there, the people who harass grieving parents because they were told Sandy Hook was a hoax by the government to take away their guns, the people running militia operations in response to "Jade Helm" being an operation for Obama to set up martial law in the country.



Exactly. You got a lot of people who have a few screws loose to begin with & they start hearing this inflammatory rhetoric & stories & decide to do something about it. It's dangerous.


This.
I've heard the extreme  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/29/2018 2:15 pm : link
end of this type of behavior as "stochastic terrorism."

The person who coined the terms defined it as "use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf."

Fortunately  
njm : 6/29/2018 2:18 pm : link
There's nothing political like Social Security deficits on this thread.
Mike, this is awful  
ColHowPepper : 6/29/2018 6:00 pm : link
and very sad to hear it. I hope the families of your colleagues can find comfort somehow. So much wanton hatred and anger stirred up in our country. It's sad.
RE: my concern  
SomeFan : 6/29/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14002405 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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isn't about sane people hearing the overtly violent rhetoric and suddenly calling to arms.

My concern is about those who are already unhinged that take the calls at face value. The crazies who shoot up a pizza place because they were told there was pedophilia ring run out of there, the people who harass grieving parents because they were told Sandy Hook was a hoax by the government to take away their guns, the people running militia operations in response to "Jade Helm" being an operation for Obama to set up martial law in the country.


Yep, and that moron Maxim Waters too.
I am pretty late to the story, so correct me if I am misinformed.  
madgiantscow009 : 6/29/2018 10:23 pm : link
but this didn't sound to be politically motivated.

That said, politically motivated violence or harassment should not be tolerated by anyone for any side.

RE: RE: I'd bet that Ramos has  
Bill in UT : 6/30/2018 12:49 am : link
In comment 14002549 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 14002545 Bill in UT said:


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no clue who Milo is, let alone that he's heard from him recently



An interesting theory that you are pulling completely out of your ass...


Actually, the theory that's being pulled out of someone's ass is that Milo was somehow involved in the shooter's thinking. Have you got some evidence of that?
Well the background pon this asshole is out there now  
Motley Two : 6/30/2018 4:44 pm : link
and it's just fucking wonderful.
My condolences  
BestFeature : 6/30/2018 4:53 pm : link
One of my closest friends was in Vegas the night of the shooting and was offered an opportunity to go to the concert. He uncharacteristically declined. Makes you wonder. Sometimes these things hit way too close to home. Not to say that they're not awful in it of themselves.
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