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adamg : 6/30/2018 6:45 pm
CF Hicks
RF Judge
DH Stanton
2B Torres
SS Didi
3B Andujar
1B Drury
C Romine
LF Gardner

And Gray on the mound.

Let's get this series win! Let's go!
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Why  
nygnyy274 : 6/30/2018 7:36 pm : link
Would they pitch Gray against this team? They own him it’s a fact german or Losigna would of done a better job
Gray is Ed Whitson at Yankee stadium  
averagejoe : 6/30/2018 7:37 pm : link
a nervous Nelly. He won't be here long.
RE: The one time Gray should have done his 2 strike nibble...  
section125 : 6/30/2018 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14003222 Jim in Tampa said:
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He throws it right over the plate.

Thanks Sonny!


That looked belt high, but off the plate by quite a bit.
RE: Why  
bluesince56 : 6/30/2018 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14003224 nygnyy274 said:
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Would they pitch Gray against this team? They own him it’s a fact german or Losigna would of done a better job


Thinking the same thing
If you aren’t going to pitch Gray against Boston  
UConn4523 : 6/30/2018 7:41 pm : link
and find out what he can do, or if he turned the corner, then you aren’t doing your job as a manager/GM. We all think he sucks but he’s on the team and we need to know what we’ve got before the deadline and playoffs. Losing the game sucks, but there are positives that can come out of it.
Torres weak spot  
section125 : 6/30/2018 7:44 pm : link
is high fast balls. He loves them and they are very hard to hit.
Fucking batting practice.  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2018 7:56 pm : link
.
When Tanaka comes back Sonny needs to be taken out  
Dave in Buffalo : 6/30/2018 7:56 pm : link
of the rotation. He's horrendous.
I remember the good ol' days when...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/30/2018 7:58 pm : link
it was Gary Sanchez' fault Sonny Gray sucked. (When was that... 2 months ago?)

Kaprelian hasn't pitched in 2 years.
Mateo has a 600 OPS in the Pacific Coast League.
Sonny Gray wasn't even worth Dustin Fowler by himself.
Gray is a waste  
beatrixkiddo : 6/30/2018 8:10 pm : link
I have yet to see him pitch a good game. I’m done watching that experiment. Hope they can trade him in a package for even a short term vet that can at least provide 5 innings. At this point gray can’t even do that. If they are stuck with him use him to start alternating starts b/w German and Loaisiga cause they will need those guys this season.
.  
Bill2 : 6/30/2018 8:15 pm : link
I am not sure if Gray does not have an out pitch or Gray has no confidence in what could be several out pitches.
I'm still watching  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2018 8:16 pm : link
just to see Gray get booed off the mound.
Delete this thread  
Sec 103 : 6/30/2018 8:17 pm : link
and never start another one when Gray pitches
Above average  
The Natural : 6/30/2018 8:19 pm : link
Pitcher with Oakland....
Not sure what happened to him but he hasn't been close to that with the Yankees.
2 innings, 6 ER.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/30/2018 8:23 pm : link
Not bad.

Gosh, this guy sucks.
RE: Above average  
mitch300 : 6/30/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14003253 The Natural said:
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Pitcher with Oakland....
Not sure what happened to him but he hasn't been close to that with the Yankees.

Yeah. Very strange. Sad part is when they do get rid of him and he goes to another team he will be fine. Ed Whitson II.
Unreal sonny gray has  
terz22 : 6/30/2018 8:32 pm : link
Eclipsed pavano in awfulness. Never thought I'd see that .
Gray  
nygnyy274 : 6/30/2018 8:32 pm : link
Reminds me of Jeff Weaver
I’m sure your right Mitch  
beatrixkiddo : 6/30/2018 8:33 pm : link
He just looks like the type of player that any handle pressure nor an audience. Maybe some small market team will take him, hope we get anything serviceable back in return. At his point I don’t care he is a complete waste of a roster spot.
Whatever he is.  
Giant John : 6/30/2018 8:53 pm : link
He can’t keep getting starts. Go somewhere else to figure it out.
RE: Delete this thread  
adamg : 6/30/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14003250 Sec 103 said:
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and never start another one when Gray pitches
I took one for the team here. No one wanted to touch Grays start myself included...
RE: .  
Dave in Buffalo : 6/30/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14003248 Bill2 said:
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I am not sure if Gray does not have an out pitch or Gray has no confidence in what could be several out pitches.


It didn't appear to matter what Romine called, and Gray wasn't waving him off, so I'd guess he just doesn't have a go to pitch.
One positive  
nygnyy274 : 6/30/2018 9:26 pm : link
Good job by Warren.
I think he has a couple starts before ASB  
rich in DC : 6/30/2018 10:55 pm : link
If he continues to spit the bit, I think the Yanks need to find him a new home and turn inward. One of the big problems the Yanks have run into with SP in recent years is that the guys they bring in as FA or in trades really have not been able to cut it. I think CC was the last real success they had in that area.

My suggestion would be to follow the route that they HAVE been successful with- using their OWN SP. Montgomery saved them last year. German has been mostly good this season. Loaisiga has flashed ability, though he probably needs to go back to the minors and work on building IP for next year.

I think if Gray can't figure it out, it is time to give Sheffield a shot. His upside is huge and he really seems to be on a roll in AAA.

I am now firmly in the "don't make a trade for a SP" camp- the track record just isn't good there.
According to Bryan Hoch...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/30/2018 11:04 pm : link
Sonny Gray has a worse Yankee Stadium ERA thru 13 starts than:

- Carl Pavano
- Jaret Wright
- Jeff Weaver
- Hideki Irabu

Just for reference... Sonny Gray's YS ERA is also worse than Kei Igawa's (only 7 starts).

What a shitshow.
^^^^ Yikes.  
Del Shofner : 6/30/2018 11:11 pm : link
There's some company you don't want to be in.

Checking in late here and just looked at the box score - cue the Surfaris, let's hear some "Wipe Out" ...
Austin Romine's hamstring is "acting up" and he's being sent for  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/30/2018 11:14 pm : link
a MRI.


Just fuckin' wonderful.
Not much solace but I like this quote....  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2018 11:27 pm : link
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Bryan Hoch
“I feel like we’re the best team in baseball four out of five days, and then I go out and do that. It just sucks.” - Sonny Gray

Now do something about it.
Would be nice if the Sonny Gray...  
M.S. : 7/1/2018 5:29 am : link

...experiment, debacle, mess-up (or whatever else you want to call it) was finally over.

I'm pretty sure we have half a dozen minor league pitchers who could perform just as well.

Can't we just cut him?
RE: Austin Romine's hamstring is  
Jim in Tampa : 7/1/2018 6:06 am : link
In comment 14003290 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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a MRI.


Just fuckin' wonderful.


On the plus side, if the Yanks are forced to play Kyle Higashioka every day, he's bound to get his first MLB hit at some point.

;>)
RE: Austin Romine's hamstring is  
nygnyy274 : 7/1/2018 7:34 am : link
In comment 14003290 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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a MRI.


Just fuckin' wonderful.



Yankees are in trouble behind the plate if Romine is going to miss time, you can’t have a caree .191 hitter in the minor leagues behind the plate and a guy who is 0-21 in the majors Higashioka stinks, I said it the other day yankees has Kratz and gave him away to Milwaukee.
RE: If you aren’t going to pitch Gray against Boston  
nygnyy274 : 7/1/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 14003230 UConn4523 said:
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and find out what he can do, or if he turned the corner, then you aren’t doing your job as a manager/GM. We all think he sucks but he’s on the team and we need to know what we’ve got before the deadline and playoffs. Losing the game sucks, but there are positives that can come out of it.



Find out what he can do?// he’s been terrible against Boston dating back to his days in Oakland , and here is how he had done against them this year, 5 innings pitched 14 hits, 13 runs, his start last night was simular to the one he had back in April in Boston, this guy is a bum and should never see the mound again against the Red Sox
RE: RE: Austin Romine's hamstring is  
nygnyy274 : 7/1/2018 7:39 am : link
In comment 14003338 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 14003290 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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a MRI.


Just fuckin' wonderful.



On the plus side, if the Yanks are forced to play Kyle Higashioka every day, he's bound to get his first MLB hit at some point.

;>)


He’s terrible, how he is even in the organization is mind blowing
RE: RE: If you aren’t going to pitch Gray against Boston  
UConn4523 : 7/1/2018 7:42 am : link
In comment 14003350 nygnyy274 said:
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In comment 14003230 UConn4523 said:


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and find out what he can do, or if he turned the corner, then you aren’t doing your job as a manager/GM. We all think he sucks but he’s on the team and we need to know what we’ve got before the deadline and playoffs. Losing the game sucks, but there are positives that can come out of it.




Find out what he can do?// he’s been terrible against Boston dating back to his days in Oakland , and here is how he had done against them this year, 5 innings pitched 14 hits, 13 runs, his start last night was simular to the one he had back in April in Boston, this guy is a bum and should never see the mound again against the Red Sox


Then he needs to not play for the Yankees anymore. You can’t hide a guy from a division rival and likely playoff opponent. If they can’t get it worked out with him, which is one of he reasons he pitches yesterday, then he should be traded or released.
Question of the day.  
section125 : 7/1/2018 7:44 am : link
You have to keep one, who would you rather have, Chasen Shreve or Sonny Gray?

Shreve at least can do mop up and when he is on (more often than not) is effective. Gray is ineffective almost every outing.

Me, I keep Shreve....
Normally I’d say Gray  
UConn4523 : 7/1/2018 8:32 am : link
but I wouldn’t even trust him in long relief out of the pen in the playoffs. He is a Yankee bust.
I feel Rothchild is pretty useless as a pitching coach.  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/1/2018 8:49 am : link
Let’s find Gray a sports psychologist, have another coach work with him. I say trade him too, but not if the return is minimal. Fowler will turn into a .280-20-20 player with above average D, a better Gardner maybe down the road. Can’t just give up on Gray.

Bring Sheffield up for the stretch run, transition him to the pen for the postseason.
RE: I feel Rothchild is pretty useless as a pitching coach.  
Eman11 : 7/1/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 14003370 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Let’s find Gray a sports psychologist, have another coach work with him. I say trade him too, but not if the return is minimal. Fowler will turn into a .280-20-20 player with above average D, a better Gardner maybe down the road. Can’t just give up on Gray.

Bring Sheffield up for the stretch run, transition him to the pen for the postseason.


Wow. Have you been paying attention at all to the whole pitching staff?

They have the best pen in the game, Sevy has turned into one of the top pitchers in all of baseball, CC has morphed into a crafty pitcher, Holder has emerged and Betances is back, all while keeping these guys rested and fresh. Do you think he has nothing to do with that? He's the main guy in charge of this staff and is pretty much the one who Boone relies on for who and when they come in.

I'm sure he's worked even harder with the guys who've struggled and is just as frustrated with Gray and Shreve as we all are. If anyone can get those guys straightened out its him.

If he was let go he would have a job in no minutes.
RE: I feel Rothchild is pretty useless as a pitching coach.  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/1/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14003370 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Let’s find Gray a sports psychologist, have another coach work with him. I say trade him too, but not if the return is minimal. Fowler will turn into a .280-20-20 player with above average D, a better Gardner maybe down the road. Can’t just give up on Gray.

Bring Sheffield up for the stretch run, transition him to the pen for the postseason.

More hot takes from Jim.
Early in the season, after one of his poor performances...  
manh george : 7/1/2018 10:35 am : link
I saw an interview with Gray on TV. I felt after that, that he was probably doomed. He sounded like "the little engine that could" with an anxiety disorder--"I think maybe I can if only everything goes right."

Not the kid of confidence necessary to be a quality player in NYC. I, too expect that he probably gets traded and magically gets his skills back somewhere else.

Teams are going to try to extort the Yankees in a traded for a starter, with last night sending the message that the need for another experienced middle-quality starter is urgent.
RE: Early in the season, after one of his poor performances...  
DennyInDenville : 7/1/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 14003411 manh george said:
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I saw an interview with Gray on TV. I felt after that, that he was probably doomed. He sounded like "the little engine that could" with an anxiety disorder--"I think maybe I can if only everything goes right."

Not the kid of confidence necessary to be a quality player in NYC. I, too expect that he probably gets traded and magically gets his skills back somewhere else.

Teams are going to try to extort the Yankees in a traded for a starter, with last night sending the message that the need for another experienced middle-quality starter is urgent.

Bingo. It's anxiety, he's not cut out for pitching in NY. At all.
agree MG  
Bill2 : 7/1/2018 10:45 am : link
so much so that unless its an ace...im with Rich in DC. Wait.


An ace would cost so a GM could declare victory to his owner and fans:

One starting position player

One close AAAA position player

One close to MLB starting pitcher

2-3 lower minors pitchers

Sorry. Thats close to what I think another teams Fo would have to claim not to be ridden out on a rail.

I totally agree that Gray's makeup as seen via ( granted its only a slice into his real makeup) interviews is not encouraging.



Grays interviews are brutal  
BigBlueShock : 7/1/2018 10:50 am : link
I noticed that right off the bat too. His voice quivers as he’s stumbling through words as if he’s nervous as hell in front of the cameras. He’s just not a very confident young man and it shows up all over the place
RE: Grays interviews are brutal  
Eman11 : 7/1/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 14003422 BigBlueShock said:
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I noticed that right off the bat too. His voice quivers as he’s stumbling through words as if he’s nervous as hell in front of the cameras. He’s just not a very confident young man and it shows up all over the place


I agree and think his main problem is between his ears. I can't really figure out how a guy can have his type stuff and make it to this level but yet have a confidence problem, even though I think he does.

I guess he's human like the rest of us but I'd think getting to where he is would take toughness and instill even more confidence.

As far as his interviews, he doesn't seem confiden or comfortable at all. I wonder if it's is just as simple as NYC and the amount of media here, and him being a guy who just can't make it here?

It's like a pitcher's equivalent of the yips.  
manh george : 7/1/2018 2:15 pm : link
There are professional athletes who simply cannot handle the pressures of their game, and that especially includes sports that require precise mechanics like pitching or quarterbacking, or tennis or golf. And in a few sports like baseball, there is a bigger group that cannot handle the pressures of their game in NYC specifically.

Indeed, kudos to Cashman in largely being able to avoid this pattern. A headcase like Gray was going to come along at some point, as they have in the past, but Cashman has done a damned good job of limiting the headcase headcount.
Pitch Gray exclusively on the road  
xman : 7/2/2018 9:34 pm : link
and against the bottom feeders
RE: Pitch Gray exclusively on the road  
Milton : 7/2/2018 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14005124 xman said:
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and against the bottom feeders
And then trade him based on the improved statistics. If they can't trade him before the July 31 deadline, then in the off-season. Bottomline is if I'm the Yankees GM, I'm thinking of how to improve his trade value so that he doesn't become a complete write-off.
Just as a side note  
rich in DC : 7/3/2018 10:38 am : link
Sheffield had another great start last night in AAA. 7 IP, 3 hits, 3 walks, 1 ER, 6K- no extra base hits allowed.

Now that we are just past the halfway point of the season, Sheffield has thrown 80 IP. His career high is 128. Assuming that the Yanks are aiming to add another 30-35+, which they usually target, his cap would be somewhere around 160-165 IP. Therefore, he is just about on target.

Just a point to watch for. While the Yanks had Sheffield throw on a normal 5 day schedule this time, in his prior 3 starts, they had 6, 6, and 8 days between starts for him. Given that the Yanks have added days between starts for him to try and limit his innings, they MIGHT be a possibility that the Yanks MIGHT try and use him in next week's doubleheader against the O's.

Remember that the Yanks plan to activate Tanaka to pitch one of the games on the 9th. Sheffield pitched on the 2nd- if the Yanks skipped 7 days between starts, Sheffield could make the start in the other game.

The Yanks are allowed a 26th man for the DH- and with Montgomery still technically on the 10 day DL, the Yanks could shift Montgomery to the 60 day DL, open a spot for Sheffield and have him pitch one of the two games- then send him back after the game.

Even if the Yanks intended to bring up Sheffield on a more permanent basis, it would make sense to send him down again after the DH- the All Star break is coming, and it would be better to have Sheffield get a couple outings in at AAA instead of sitting around for 10 days or so while the Yanks reset their rotation after the break.

Keep an eye on Sheffield's next start. If he makes his "regular rest" start on Saturday, he obviously isn't coming up for the DH. But if they skip that start...
AJ Cole has returned from rehab  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2018 11:02 am : link
and has been reinstated from the 10 day DL.
Yes. Loaisiga was sent down  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2018 11:05 am : link
Right move. Johnny showed some big time ability but he also showed he's got some work to do. As RAB pointed out, part of his problem is losing velocity relatively quickly, which is perfectly understandable given how little he's pitched over the past few seasons. Needs to build up some arm strength.
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