Today's starting lineups. Iniesta on the bench and Asensio starting for him. Still can't figure out why David Silva is playing. He's been really bad. Also Nacho getting the start over Carvajal who doesn't seem fully fit. He's been bad also.
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Espana XI - De Gea, Nacho, Piqué, Ramos, Alba, Busquets, Koke, Asensio, Isco, Silva, Diego Costa
Russia XI - Akinfeev, Fernandes, Kudryashov, Kutepov, Ignasevich, Zhirkov, Samedov, Kuzyaev, Golovin, Zobnin, Dzyuba
Cup before (Brazil, Uruguay, England, France) and four that have not (Belgium, Croatia, Sweden and Russia).
Of course, the bracket's not organized that way. One side of the bracket (Brazil, Belgium, Uruguay, France) seems a lot tougher - amazing that Croatia seems to have as good a shot as anyone at getting to the final.
my heart is broken right now. Tip of the hat to England, they made the plays needed to move on. The momen proved to be too big for Uribe and Bacca. I won’t make a single excuse for the loss. However, the ref was atrocious and should not be allowed to ref another WC game this summer.
my heart is broken right now. Tip of the hat to England, they made the plays needed to move on. The moment proved to be too big for Uribe and Bacca. I won’t make a single excuse for the loss. However, the ref was atrocious and should not be allowed to ref another WC game this summer.
Ahhhh, no. From the continent of floppers, divers and writher's of pain - blame the ref. Please.
Not having James available is the biggest reason for the loss..
my heart is broken right now. Tip of the hat to England, they made the plays needed to move on. The moment proved to be too big for Uribe and Bacca. I won’t make a single excuse for the loss. However, the ref was atrocious and should not be allowed to ref another WC game this summer.
Ahhhh, no. From the continent of floppers, divers and writher's of pain - blame the ref. Please.
Not having James available is the biggest reason for the loss..
Thank you! I thought I was watching a different game for a minute.
my heart is broken right now. Tip of the hat to England, they made the plays needed to move on. The moment proved to be too big for Uribe and Bacca. I won’t make a single excuse for the loss. However, the ref was atrocious and should not be allowed to ref another WC game this summer.
Ahhhh, no. From the continent of floppers, divers and writher's of pain - blame the ref. Please.
Not having James available is the biggest reason for the loss..
I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
The Uribe shot just before the equalizer was a 40 yard rocket headed into the top corner and Pickford somehow got a hand on it.
I still want to see another angle of that shot. I can't recall seeing a replay, and I fear that it might get lost because of the goal that happened shortly after.
The Uribe shot just before the equalizer was a 40 yard rocket headed into the top corner and Pickford somehow got a hand on it.
I still want to see another angle of that shot. I can't recall seeing a replay, and I fear that it might get lost because of the goal that happened shortly after.
Here you go with an angle from behind the net. I think it's going in the top corner
I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
shit goes off the rails, usually Portugal is involved! I think the occasion was too big for Colombia at first, and they were lucky not to be down to 10 between the headbutts, Cuadrado grabbing Lingard around the neck and getting in Geiger's face, and general Falcao dickishness.
One they actually decided to play, they were much better.
And now Falcao accusing Geiger of favoring England Â
I don't know what happens to some of these South American guys when they play for country. They act completely counter to what they do all year in the club season - see Antonio Valencia getting red against the US in the Copa. Link - ( New Window )
FIFA refs are reviewing the England Colombia match Â
To make sure teams cant play like Colombia did again. They believe the ref was too lenient and let Colombia get away with way too much. The England press now expects other teams to emulate the mugging tactics in future matches. So obviously it's only a biased few, like that moron Maradona, who feel Colombia was screwed.
As a neutral putting aside the bias of the english media (which chooses what is shown and replayed) England was just as culpable for the sloppy game as Colombia. Maguire with the phantom dive in the box, lingard diving, stones cleating falcao in the back of the head while he was down, and ashley young with a studs up challenge in the colombians ankle that miraculously resulted not only in no yelloew card, but a foul for England..are you kidding? Neither team olayed well nor deserved the win. The penalty on Kane was questionable as well as he initially should have been caled for the foul prior to Sanchez ending up on top of him.
Thats fine hy me, as neitherteam deserved to win. But blame the shitshow on the colombians without acknowledging that the ref and the english were just as culpable is ridiculous. To be honest things look bleak for England. Theyve beaten panama, tunisia, and basically tied Colombia who was mising their star player
Well the point is that FIFA thought Colombia's play was Â
egregious enough to be analyzed by all the refs. That is the result. So obviously the soccer community disagrees with you. Personally, I thought the mugging and yelling at the ref Colombia did was disgraceful. Then the whole trying to ruin the spot where Kane had to shoot the PK from for 4 minutes was really unsportsmanlike. Finally yes England did some flopping, like every other team, but I am more concerned with the outright physical intimidation that Colombia tried to get away with. They should have had numerous red cards, and the soccer community agrees. Teams cant be allowed to mug their opponents as a strategy to win.
RE: Well the point is that FIFA thought Colombia's play was Â
egregious enough to be analyzed by all the refs. That is the result. So obviously the soccer community disagrees with you. Personally, I thought the mugging and yelling at the ref Colombia did was disgraceful. Then the whole trying to ruin the spot where Kane had to shoot the PK from for 4 minutes was really unsportsmanlike. Finally yes England did some flopping, like every other team, but I am more concerned with the outright physical intimidation that Colombia tried to get away with. They should have had numerous red cards, and the soccer community agrees. Teams cant be allowed to mug their opponents as a strategy to win.
Thanks for that. Sort of typical South American style of soccer.
RE: Well the point is that FIFA thought Colombia's play was Â
egregious enough to be analyzed by all the refs. That is the result. So obviously the soccer community disagrees with you. Personally, I thought the mugging and yelling at the ref Colombia did was disgraceful. Then the whole trying to ruin the spot where Kane had to shoot the PK from for 4 minutes was really unsportsmanlike. Finally yes England did some flopping, like every other team, but I am more concerned with the outright physical intimidation that Colombia tried to get away with. They should have had numerous red cards, and the soccer community agrees. Teams cant be allowed to mug their opponents as a strategy to win.
Do you have a link because I have not heard that anywhere. Numerous reds for what? Dissent? Typically you get a yellow for dissent, and nothing in this game deserved a red in my opinion. The “headbutt” was overexaggerated by henderson and he “headbutted” someone else just moments later. To me the most egregious foul was committed by ashley young where in any other game could easily have been sent off for a studs up challenge. The game was poorly officiated for both teams and I blame that more than anything
By Colombia then a specific play (although most of them were bull too). Colombia had a strategy of basically tackling and mugging England throughout the match to slow them down. This was the actual public strategy. This led to something like 28 penalties and 8 yellows. I don't consider that soccer.
As for the ref review session, I heard this being discussed on SiriusXm channel 157, the soccer channel. I'd have to look for a link to something when I get a chance.
I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
But thank you for your kind thoughts.
Show me where I said "we lost because of the ref" You're dumb as a rock buddy.
I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
But thank you for your kind thoughts.
Show me where I said "we lost because of the ref" You're dumb as a rock buddy.
Your insults mimic you concept of football. You claimed the ref was unfair to Colombia, implying England won because of uneven refereeing. Anyone reading your post(s) knows what you meant, so like your heroes on the pitch, stop feigning injury and ignorance.
But hey, have at it.
It seems like every 4 years, I feel there is an easy fix to this issue - strictly refereeing the games so it doesn't escalate. I know that's easier said than done, but if you start carding people for flopping a lot of this goes away. Here's a pretty damning excerpt from that article:
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“Maybe we are getting a bit smarter,” England head coach Gareth Southgate said after his side outlasted the Colombians on penalty kicks. “Maybe we are now playing by the same rules the rest of the world are playing by. But we kept our dignity and our sportsmanship, and if we went down, it's because we were fouled.”
What he meant by the “same rules,” is that England has learned how to game the system. How to milk fouls to maximize its chances of winning a free-kick. How to exert physical pressure (and sometimes pain) on an opponent without getting spotted by the referee, or his assistants, or the omnipresent cameras ready to beam footage to the video referee. How to simulate injury.
Southgate saying they kept their dignity and sportsmanship is a bunch of horseshit. If an opponent grazes a body part after the whistle, rolling around in sheer agony isn't the way to go about bringing attention to it - but it sometimes works! And that type of simulation turns everyone off. My nephew and I had a running joke on vacation - he'd brush by me and I'd go down like a heap on the beach, and if he touched my shoulder I'd flop on the ground clutching my leg.
It is an embarrassment that simulation isn't just allowed, but that it often results in punishment for the opponent. There are no doubt matches that are rough. The answer isn't going to the turf in a heap to react to it - it is the ref's job to punish the fouls. Geiger failed miserably in that aspect. And frankly most refs will because against some teams, it would be an endless string of cards - but that's exactly what is needed so Suarez and Neymar aren't undermining their talent by looking like absolute fools.
So much of the sport is acting. I can't stand that in the NFL when player's call for flags. Can't stand it in baseball when player's plead for video review. Can't stand it anywhere. And I'm not alone. This farce, while it seems harmless is actually stunting growth of the game in the US. Youths like my nephew shun it as being played by a bunch of fakers. When the same issue is brought up every 4 years, there has to be action taken. None ever is.
I have always felt that carding the floppers is the answer. If Neymar collects a yellow card 20 minutes into the game it may well keep him on his feet the next 70 minutes. Suarez is the next most egregious flopper as well as one of the worst dirty players and a yellow delivered early in a match may deter his tactics. South American teams are the worst, but obviously not the only offenders. They foul hard and then flop like fish when grazed. I did notice that England seemed to play through many of the grabs and blatant bad tackles.
Is it me, or have the refs allowed a lot more spikes up contact and dangerous kicks without calling penalties this tournament?
are always tough. I've seen straight reds given in EPL play, even if the defender gets the ball and not a piece of the opponent, and I often think that's too harsh, but in this World Cup, I've not seen many cards for it.
Heck, in the England game, the english player went studs up, actually caught the Colombian player and England was somehow awarded the foul.
I have to say, I had no idea who Mark Geiger was before this Cup and man he really sucks.
contained to the South American countries, but they do it serially. Arjun Robben flops everytime he gets in the box and loses possession. You still see it happen quite a bot in certain countries in Europe.
I don't know if the stats bear it out, but I wonder if team like Japan, Korea, Australia or the US usually draw less fouls in their matches than the opponents, and if they do, is it because they don't flop or because they have less talent?
are always tough. I've seen straight reds given in EPL play, even if the defender gets the ball and not a piece of the opponent, and I often think that's too harsh, but in this World Cup, I've not seen many cards for it.
Heck, in the England game, the english player went studs up, actually caught the Colombian player and England was somehow awarded the foul.
I have to say, I had no idea who Mark Geiger was before this Cup and man he really sucks.
Yep, I remember that play - clipped the Colombian right on the achilles..I think the foul called was before the spikes up tackle. It was a continuing play where the English non call was the end of the play. I think there was either a grab or a bad challenge immediately before that non call. Not defending the non call...
that threatens the game. Officials are trained to "punish" (i.e., call fouls and/or issue cautions) for actions that bring disrespect to the game, and there is no question that the failure to card simulation is hurting it. At the HS and college level it is easy to spot not only the emulation of play on the pitch (the skill and the attempts at through balls, multiple runs on near/far post, juggling to shake free from a defender)--i.e., the good stuff--but also the bad stuff, but it is not promiscuous because officials at amateur levels DO call it.
It is not only the lack of enforcement of simulation that the credo from above is hurting this WC: the reported "official" instructions to ARs NOT to raise their flags on attackers in an offside position who are involved in active play is ludicrous--it directly affects behavior on the pitch. If VAR overrules an incorrect flag that is raised, so be it.
But an instruction that officials should NOT call what they see in enforcing the laws of the game sends the same promiscuous message that everything can be manipulated. And this is separate and apart from the grossly inconsistent application of takedowns in the PA--it is unfair to defenders and attackers alike because the line between what will result in a penalty or not is so blurred as to be unknowable.
I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
But thank you for your kind thoughts.
Show me where I said "we lost because of the ref" You're dumb as a rock buddy.
Your insults mimic you concept of football. You claimed the ref was unfair to Colombia, implying England won because of uneven refereeing. Anyone reading your post(s) knows what you meant, so like your heroes on the pitch, stop feigning injury and ignorance.
But hey, have at it.
Your lack of comprehension mimics your lack of intelligence. All I said was the ref did a horrible job which he did, right before that I stated that England made more plays and deservedly won. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that concept? Whatever, have a great weekend.
RE: RE: 'stones cleating falcao in the back of the head while he was down' Â
That surprised me too. I was sure he'd be the fifth.
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I thought for sure he was on the list because he's a striker. He always takes them for Leicester
That surprised me too. I was sure he'd be the fifth.
It was almost fatal for England because you'd never pick Henderson over Vardy to take a penalty (and I'm a Liverpool fan admitting that)
Agreed. Was a bit surprised Dier was in the lineup at all...
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I thought for sure he was on the list because he's a striker. He always takes them for Leicester
Agreed. Was a bit surprised Dier was in the lineup at all...
I think Kyle Walker was going to take one but he got hurt
Of course, the bracket's not organized that way. One side of the bracket (Brazil, Belgium, Uruguay, France) seems a lot tougher - amazing that Croatia seems to have as good a shot as anyone at getting to the final.
Even English MPs go crazy - ( New Window )
Ahhhh, no. From the continent of floppers, divers and writher's of pain - blame the ref. Please.
Not having James available is the biggest reason for the loss..
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my heart is broken right now. Tip of the hat to England, they made the plays needed to move on. The moment proved to be too big for Uribe and Bacca. I won’t make a single excuse for the loss. However, the ref was atrocious and should not be allowed to ref another WC game this summer.
Ahhhh, no. From the continent of floppers, divers and writher's of pain - blame the ref. Please.
Not having James available is the biggest reason for the loss..
Thank you! I thought I was watching a different game for a minute.
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my heart is broken right now. Tip of the hat to England, they made the plays needed to move on. The moment proved to be too big for Uribe and Bacca. I won’t make a single excuse for the loss. However, the ref was atrocious and should not be allowed to ref another WC game this summer.
Ahhhh, no. From the continent of floppers, divers and writher's of pain - blame the ref. Please.
Not having James available is the biggest reason for the loss..
I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
Geiger blows.
Geiger blows.
This.
The Uribe shot just before the equalizer was a 40 yard rocket headed into the top corner and Pickford somehow got a hand on it.
Then the penalty save from Bacca on a rising shot that would have gone just under the crossbar
I still want to see another angle of that shot. I can't recall seeing a replay, and I fear that it might get lost because of the goal that happened shortly after.
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The Uribe shot just before the equalizer was a 40 yard rocket headed into the top corner and Pickford somehow got a hand on it.
I still want to see another angle of that shot. I can't recall seeing a replay, and I fear that it might get lost because of the goal that happened shortly after.
Here you go with an angle from behind the net. I think it's going in the top corner
Pickford wonder save - ( New Window )
Don't look like they got a gym there, does it mate???
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1014013211358752768
That is great
I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
But thank you for your kind thoughts.
One they actually decided to play, they were much better.
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Thanks for that. Sort of typical South American style of soccer.
Do you have a link because I have not heard that anywhere. Numerous reds for what? Dissent? Typically you get a yellow for dissent, and nothing in this game deserved a red in my opinion. The “headbutt” was overexaggerated by henderson and he “headbutted” someone else just moments later. To me the most egregious foul was committed by ashley young where in any other game could easily have been sent off for a studs up challenge. The game was poorly officiated for both teams and I blame that more than anything
Same as the “headbutt” if youre being fair
As for the ref review session, I heard this being discussed on SiriusXm channel 157, the soccer channel. I'd have to look for a link to something when I get a chance.
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I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
But thank you for your kind thoughts.
Show me where I said "we lost because of the ref" You're dumb as a rock buddy.
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I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
But thank you for your kind thoughts.
Show me where I said "we lost because of the ref" You're dumb as a rock buddy.
Your insults mimic you concept of football. You claimed the ref was unfair to Colombia, implying England won because of uneven refereeing. Anyone reading your post(s) knows what you meant, so like your heroes on the pitch, stop feigning injury and ignorance.
But hey, have at it.
I don't know the writer, but the article seems to confirm what many have been saying about the tactics being used be some teams in competition.
2018 World Cup is getting seriously dirty now - ( New Window )
It seems like every 4 years, I feel there is an easy fix to this issue - strictly refereeing the games so it doesn't escalate. I know that's easier said than done, but if you start carding people for flopping a lot of this goes away. Here's a pretty damning excerpt from that article:
What he meant by the “same rules,” is that England has learned how to game the system. How to milk fouls to maximize its chances of winning a free-kick. How to exert physical pressure (and sometimes pain) on an opponent without getting spotted by the referee, or his assistants, or the omnipresent cameras ready to beam footage to the video referee. How to simulate injury.
Southgate saying they kept their dignity and sportsmanship is a bunch of horseshit. If an opponent grazes a body part after the whistle, rolling around in sheer agony isn't the way to go about bringing attention to it - but it sometimes works! And that type of simulation turns everyone off. My nephew and I had a running joke on vacation - he'd brush by me and I'd go down like a heap on the beach, and if he touched my shoulder I'd flop on the ground clutching my leg.
It is an embarrassment that simulation isn't just allowed, but that it often results in punishment for the opponent. There are no doubt matches that are rough. The answer isn't going to the turf in a heap to react to it - it is the ref's job to punish the fouls. Geiger failed miserably in that aspect. And frankly most refs will because against some teams, it would be an endless string of cards - but that's exactly what is needed so Suarez and Neymar aren't undermining their talent by looking like absolute fools.
So much of the sport is acting. I can't stand that in the NFL when player's call for flags. Can't stand it in baseball when player's plead for video review. Can't stand it anywhere. And I'm not alone. This farce, while it seems harmless is actually stunting growth of the game in the US. Youths like my nephew shun it as being played by a bunch of fakers. When the same issue is brought up every 4 years, there has to be action taken. None ever is.
Is it me, or have the refs allowed a lot more spikes up contact and dangerous kicks without calling penalties this tournament?
Heck, in the England game, the english player went studs up, actually caught the Colombian player and England was somehow awarded the foul.
I have to say, I had no idea who Mark Geiger was before this Cup and man he really sucks.
I don't know if the stats bear it out, but I wonder if team like Japan, Korea, Australia or the US usually draw less fouls in their matches than the opponents, and if they do, is it because they don't flop or because they have less talent?
Heck, in the England game, the english player went studs up, actually caught the Colombian player and England was somehow awarded the foul.
I have to say, I had no idea who Mark Geiger was before this Cup and man he really sucks.
Yep, I remember that play - clipped the Colombian right on the achilles..I think the foul called was before the spikes up tackle. It was a continuing play where the English non call was the end of the play. I think there was either a grab or a bad challenge immediately before that non call. Not defending the non call...
It is not only the lack of enforcement of simulation that the credo from above is hurting this WC: the reported "official" instructions to ARs NOT to raise their flags on attackers in an offside position who are involved in active play is ludicrous--it directly affects behavior on the pitch. If VAR overrules an incorrect flag that is raised, so be it.
But an instruction that officials should NOT call what they see in enforcing the laws of the game sends the same promiscuous message that everything can be manipulated. And this is separate and apart from the grossly inconsistent application of takedowns in the PA--it is unfair to defenders and attackers alike because the line between what will result in a penalty or not is so blurred as to be unknowable.
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I was complimentary to England and never blamed the ref for the loss. I pointed out he did a shitty job. England deserved to win and they did. Go fuck yourself though.
No, as usual with the losing side in a close match, you whined that you lost because of the ref.
But thank you for your kind thoughts.
Show me where I said "we lost because of the ref" You're dumb as a rock buddy.
Your insults mimic you concept of football. You claimed the ref was unfair to Colombia, implying England won because of uneven refereeing. Anyone reading your post(s) knows what you meant, so like your heroes on the pitch, stop feigning injury and ignorance.
But hey, have at it.
Your lack of comprehension mimics your lack of intelligence. All I said was the ref did a horrible job which he did, right before that I stated that England made more plays and deservedly won. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that concept? Whatever, have a great weekend.
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Tell me you're talking about this and I'll never stop laughing.
Same as the “headbutt” if youre being fair
So you were calling this a cleating. Amazing.