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Big Rick in FL : 7/1/2018 8:56 am
Today's starting lineups. Iniesta on the bench and Asensio starting for him. Still can't figure out why David Silva is playing. He's been really bad. Also Nacho getting the start over Carvajal who doesn't seem fully fit. He's been bad also.

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Espana XI - De Gea, Nacho, Piqué, Ramos, Alba, Busquets, Koke, Asensio, Isco, Silva, Diego Costa

Russia XI - Akinfeev, Fernandes, Kudryashov, Kutepov, Ignasevich, Zhirkov, Samedov, Kuzyaev, Golovin, Zobnin, Dzyuba
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Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2018 3:32 pm : link
reason #3,789 why I'm not a manager
Fellaini with the equalizer!  
dpinzow : 7/2/2018 3:32 pm : link
Belgium finally figured out they have a height advantage in the penalty area and started using it
And FMiC is why  
section125 : 7/2/2018 3:32 pm : link
Fellaini is in the game....
Hazard  
Kyle in NY : 7/2/2018 3:33 pm : link
the magician!
BEL-JAPAN Easily the best match of the round of 16 so far  
dpinzow : 7/2/2018 3:33 pm : link
Who would have thought that?
Wow  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 3:34 pm : link
That's the one thing I'd love for Spain to have...a Plan B target man. They did briefly in 2010 with Llorente, but they've never seemed interested in having that type of option on the bench.
Belgium's back line  
section125 : 7/2/2018 3:34 pm : link
cannot run with Japan. Being beaten almost every deep ball.
WTH happened  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/2/2018 3:36 pm : link
You go into a meeting and you come back into madness!
Still  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2018 3:37 pm : link
love the Witsel Fellaini giant double afro CM combo.
Japanese GK holy shit  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 3:44 pm : link
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what a save.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/2/2018 3:44 pm : link
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If..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2018 3:47 pm : link
this goes to extra time, I don't see it staying tied for penalty kicks
Heartbreaking for japan  
dep026 : 7/2/2018 3:52 pm : link
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Wow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2018 3:52 pm : link
what a counter!
Unf-ckin believable....  
bw in dc : 7/2/2018 3:52 pm : link
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Oh. my. god.  
Kyle in NY : 7/2/2018 3:53 pm : link
That was an epic counter attack.

Game of the tournament so far
Great decision by Lukaku...  
bw in dc : 7/2/2018 3:53 pm : link
And as usual, what a lead pass by the maestro - DeBruyne...
What a great game...  
bw in dc : 7/2/2018 3:54 pm : link
Riveting.

Game of the WC!
What a counterattack for Belgium at the end  
dpinzow : 7/2/2018 3:54 pm : link
Courtois to KDB to Meunier to Chadli for the finish with Lukaku letting the last pass go
What..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2018 3:54 pm : link
an effort by Japan
Great play by  
section125 : 7/2/2018 3:54 pm : link
Courtois getting that ball to DeBruyne and Lukaku screen the defense,,,,,,
Oh man  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 3:54 pm : link
Great counterattack. What an absolutely horrifying moment for Japan.

Courtois showing what a goalkeeper can do beyond just stop shots (I'm thinking of you, De Gea).
KDB delivers  
Kyle in NY : 7/2/2018 3:55 pm : link
as he usually does. Lukaku with a brilliant dummy. And Courtois with great distribution, not usually his strength.

Credit Japan, they played wonderfully
Credit to Martinez...he nailed his substitutions  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 3:55 pm : link
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That was the best  
section125 : 7/2/2018 3:56 pm : link
WC game I've seen this time. All out effort by Japan. In the end talent overcame effort.
What an amazing game  
Giants in 07 : 7/2/2018 3:56 pm : link
Exhausted from watching it
That was the best goal of the tournament  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 3:56 pm : link
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That free kick save...  
bw in dc : 7/2/2018 3:58 pm : link
by Cortois before the game winner was outstanding. That ball was screwball with dip.

What a sequence...
very unselfish on the counter attack  
Floyd_Fan : 7/2/2018 3:59 pm : link
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Courtois talked about Fellaini's usefulness prior to the game  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/2/2018 4:01 pm : link
That as a goalie or a defender you don't want to see him come in in the second half. Presents so many problems, particularly as you tire. Courtois even said, he's not a star or even an weekly starter, but he's a great piece to have.
what a match  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/2/2018 4:03 pm : link
awesome saves by keepers, and awesome counters. Heartbreaking for Japan.

Japan looked so sharp with possession for the first 70 minutes of the game. In terms of how we should have played them, could we have done that?

Others know better than I do, but it always seems to me like the US is afraid to possess the ball against top teams, or that they are just not as sharp and in control passing around.
Lukaku could have easily tried to play hero  
UConn4523 : 7/2/2018 4:04 pm : link
but wisely passed on trying to make a play there. Very intelligent decision making on that final goal.
RE: what a match  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14004796 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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Others know better than I do, but it always seems to me like the US is afraid to possess the ball against top teams, or that they are just not as sharp and in control passing around.


It hasn't always been that way. The 2002 USMNT really grew into the tournament and played its best against Mexico and Germany in the elimination rounds. Really good team.
That was the kind of game that  
section125 : 7/2/2018 4:06 pm : link
would draw well in the US.
RE: That was the kind of game that  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14004801 section125 said:
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would draw well in the US.


What does that even mean?
GoTerps  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/2/2018 4:11 pm : link
I watched that tourney but don't remember it (other than the handball). I just always had the impression of the US team that they were as athletic if not more so than any team in the tournament, and had size for set pieces, and relied upon that and Tim Howard to stay in games and hope for the ability to capitalize on fewer opportunities.

I don't remember ever having a sense that they were a great at possessing the ball or making crisp passes to move the ball where they wanted it to go.
RE: GoTerps  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14004807 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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I watched that tourney but don't remember it (other than the handball). I just always had the impression of the US team that they were as athletic if not more so than any team in the tournament, and had size for set pieces, and relied upon that and Tim Howard to stay in games and hope for the ability to capitalize on fewer opportunities.

I don't remember ever having a sense that they were a great at possessing the ball or making crisp passes to move the ball where they wanted it to go.


Check out this goal against Colombia in 1994. Phenomenal.
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RE: RE: That was the kind of game that  
section125 : 7/2/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14004805 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14004801 section125 said:


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would draw well in the US.



What does that even mean?


You know exactly what that means. The Russia/Spain and Croatia/Demark games were "play not lose" games. Boring as hell. If you want to draw in more US fans and grow the game in the US, this is the type game that US (non-soccer) fans would really enjoy. I've been watching WC since 1994 and still learning the game technically.
This game was played hard with scoring chances all over
section  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 4:22 pm : link
"Game played hard" does not necessarily have to equal "lots of scoring chances". You think the teams yesterday didn't play hard? This game was fun to watch, no doubt...but if Belgium repeats this performance against Brazil they'll be going home with a spanking. At this point I'd say Russia has a better chance of beating Croatia than Belgium does Brazil.

Besides, soccer is already drawing in the US. It doesn't need every game to be a wild up and down affair to draw people. And if it did, I'd rather those people stayed home.
Attendance as a point of comparison  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 4:37 pm : link
Here were the average attendances per match in some leagues in 2017/2018, according to worldfootball.net:

Germany Bundesliga: 44,646
England EPL: 38,297
Spain La Liga: 26,939
Mexico Liga MX: 25,183
Italy Serie A: 24,767
France Ligue 1: 22,524
US MLS: 20,815
Netherlands Eredivisie: 19,001
Argentina Primera Division: 16,723
Brazil Serie A: 16,418

It's not like everyone else is getting 65,000 per game and MLS is getting 15,000.
Neymar & Real Madrid  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 4:41 pm : link
According to TVE Real Madrid has offered PSG 310M euros for Neymar, and are offering him a 7 year contract @ 45M per.

Real Madrid may be replacing one asshole in Cristiano with another.
RE: section  
section125 : 7/2/2018 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14004819 Go Terps said:
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"Game played hard" does not necessarily have to equal "lots of scoring chances". You think the teams yesterday didn't play hard? This game was fun to watch, no doubt...but if Belgium repeats this performance against Brazil they'll be going home with a spanking. At this point I'd say Russia has a better chance of beating Croatia than Belgium does Brazil.

Besides, soccer is already drawing in the US. It doesn't need every game to be a wild up and down affair to draw people. And if it did, I'd rather those people stayed home.


Great, narrow minded view. If you want the US to get to the WC Finals, the game needs to grow and attract better athletes. Kids play what the parents watch on TV. I think we both agree that if the top US athletes start playing soccer as their primary sport USMNT could be a juggernaut.

If you want to mince words over my use of "hard" vs vigorous (maybe a better word) that is fine. Point is simply - Russia sat back and made few counters against Spain, while Spain was happy to pass around the perimeter and not even probe. I was rooting hard for Spain and was bored out of my skull as well as frustrated.

I think the Russia Croatia game will be good. I'd bet Croatia attacks more than Spain. I'm not selling Belgium short against any team including Brazil. Japan may have been a good wake up call.

I think we are looking at this from different viewpoints. You are an established fan, I am learning. You are saying the game is the game enjoy for what it is; I guess I am almost at that point. What I am looking at is the casual fan (and you have seen a few on the various WC threads) who sees a slow tactical game and decides not to watch again(boring), yet if he (or she) sees a game like Belgium/Japan says, hey I want to see more.

Hope that makes some sense....
Go Terps  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/2/2018 4:52 pm : link
thanks for the clip. So what happened?
Section  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 4:58 pm : link
The athletes we already have playing soccer are good enough to compete on the world stage. Any issues we have are related to mismanagement at the federation level; not the available talent pool. The talent pool from which we are drawing is larger than most of the countries still competing in this World Cup.

Proper management at the federation level, quality coaches, and strong scouting networks are what's needed. MLS is already on its way to providing two of the three. Issues at the federation level can kill you no matter how good your players are. Look at Argentina for an example of that.

But of all our issues the available talent pool is the least of our worries. There are countries doing great things with a small fraction of what we have...Uruguay has a smaller population than the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area. Iceland has the total population of Spartanburg, SC.

RE: Go Terps  
Go Terps : 7/2/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14004847 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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thanks for the clip. So what happened?


What happened is the USSF president (Gulati) got starry eyed over a German guy (Klinsmann) that has made his home in California. Klinsmann is a good talker full of big ideas, and Gulati thought he'd be the perfect blend of German experience with American mentality for the USMNT. Gulati ignored numerous warnings from Europe about Klinsmann's incompetence and gave him enormous power over the team. Klinsmann then proceeded to poison the team, and it's still recovering from that trauma.

That's the short version. For the full story I strongly suggest reading the article linked below. It's the best summary I can find of the debacle of the last several years.
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RE: Section  
section125 : 7/2/2018 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14004851 Go Terps said:
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The athletes we already have playing soccer are good enough to compete on the world stage. Any issues we have are related to mismanagement at the federation level; not the available talent pool. The talent pool from which we are drawing is larger than most of the countries still competing in this World Cup.

Proper management at the federation level, quality coaches, and strong scouting networks are what's needed. MLS is already on its way to providing two of the three. Issues at the federation level can kill you no matter how good your players are. Look at Argentina for an example of that.

But of all our issues the available talent pool is the least of our worries. There are countries doing great things with a small fraction of what we have...Uruguay has a smaller population than the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area. Iceland has the total population of Spartanburg, SC.


Yes, good points and I did overlook those at this time. JK and the old farts at the top killed us for 8 years. So I totally agree with what you say on management. We could and should be able to get to the knockout stage everytime(virtually) with the talent we have available.
RE: RE: GoTerps  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14004811 Go Terps said:
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Check out this goal against Colombia in 1994. Phenomenal. Link - ( New Window )
Heh, nice look, pass and finish for sure.

But if I'm remembering correctly that game will forever be remembered in Cali, Bogota, Barranquilla, etc. and especially Medellin for the Colombian defender's own goal early on. I was on a deal in Bogota at the time and of course meetings were suspended. The disbelief and anguish were palpable and extended well beyond our meeting room. Escobar was found shot just weeks later, died, and has become lore.
Japan will  
UESBLUE : 7/2/2018 5:12 pm : link
never forget what mightve been...
GoTerps  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/2/2018 5:50 pm : link
Thanks for that, but my "what happened" was less about the dysfunction in US Soccer's governance and direction, and more about what seems like the inability of a US soccer team to be able to pass the ball cleanly and crisply. Whenever I watch the US team, there's an inkling of watching kids play soccer where they just kick the ball as soon as someone comes near them.
RE: Japan will  
spike : 7/2/2018 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14004864 UESBLUE said:
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never forget what mightve been...

Aloss to brazil
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