Haha, it's not THAT bad... the Rangers had a good run, just couldn't seal the deal. I'm glad we're rebuilding now. It was time. It'll take a couple years, but that's fine. Just glad we opted not to try to make another run with the group we had.
Haha, it's not THAT bad... the Rangers had a good run, just couldn't seal the deal. I'm glad we're rebuilding now. It was time. It'll take a couple years, but that's fine. Just glad we opted not to try to make another run with the group we had.
Not quite as good as the Rangers had, but 90+ wins a few times and three playoff appearances. Very little playoff success though, granted. Then the bottom dropped out this year.
Haha, it's not THAT bad... the Rangers had a good run, just couldn't seal the deal. I'm glad we're rebuilding now. It was time. It'll take a couple years, but that's fine. Just glad we opted not to try to make another run with the group we had.
a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
Futile ten years ago, yes, I would agree. But the Rangers have been in the playoffs essentially every year and most times make it out of the first round with a couple of conference championships appearances and making it to the cup one year. Now, only winning one playoff series in the last 20 years, yes, that is futile.
a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
If the Islanders win one Stanley Cup in the next 80 years, I would call the futility. If there was a decade in there where they consistently made the playoffs, won a series or two, and even went to the finals once, I would not change my opinion. It would be futility.
Yeah, your definition of futility is much different than mine
once every 80 years that would not be described as historically futile. Aside from the Rangers, who are the non-futile teams that win championships at that type of pace?
That have won a cup in the last 10-12 years, you are saying any team not named the Caps, Penguins, Kings, Blackhawks, Bruins, Red Wings are in a state of futility?
Just trying to understand what you are saying. I know another sport, but a team like the Utah Jazz that have made the playoffs basically every year, but no championship, is futile?
I guess I don't think that championships are the only defining factor.
RE: There aren't many teams that win a championship
once every 80 years that would not be described as historically futile. Aside from the Rangers, who are the non-futile teams that win championships at that type of pace?
The Rangers made it to the ECF 3 out of four years (12, 14, 15). Have won rounds in many other years and made playoffs every year since the lockout besides 2010 and this year. If that is futile, then I do not know the definition of it. The Islanders have missed the playoffs most years since the lockout, have won one playoff series since 1993 (that's 25 years), and just let their best player walk when they should have either had his signature on a new contract or traded him before last year or at least the deadline. But, yeah, I can see the similarities. You cant possibly believe that, can you?
Only 5-10% of teams win more than once every 80 years?
what other teams go that lone? The Red Sox and Cubs, who were both clearly futile for decades. Clearly the Red Sox changed that in the past 15 years. The Maple Leafs who have gone 50 years. I would say each of those teams was rightfully described as futile. I did not say any team that doesn't have multiple championships in the past 10 years are futile. Multiple recent championships is something I never suggested.
Let me put in another way. If an Islander fan was tired of their futility and wanted to root for a winner, do you think they would likely become Ranger fans? Knicks fans became Bulls and Lakers fans. Mets fans become Yankee fans. They change to teams that win. Why would an Islander fan become a Ranger fan instead of a Penguin fan?
I am not suggesting that the Rangers suck, or the only gauge of a franchise is championships. What I am suggesting is that Ranger fans see a gap between the Islanders and Rangers as organizations that simply isn't that wide.
You have won one playoff series in 25 years. The Rangers have won more than that in single seasons. Besides winning a cup (which undoubtedly is very disappointing), the difference between the Rangers and the Islanders is about as wide as you can get in terms of success and failure since the lockout.
RE: Only 5-10% of teams win more than once every 80 years?
what other teams go that lone? The Red Sox and Cubs, who were both clearly futile for decades. Clearly the Red Sox changed that in the past 15 years. The Maple Leafs who have gone 50 years. I would say each of those teams was rightfully described as futile. I did not say any team that doesn't have multiple championships in the past 10 years are futile. Multiple recent championships is something I never suggested.
Let me put in another way. If an Islander fan was tired of their futility and wanted to root for a winner, do you think they would likely become Ranger fans? Knicks fans became Bulls and Lakers fans. Mets fans become Yankee fans. They change to teams that win. Why would an Islander fan become a Ranger fan instead of a Penguin fan?
I am not suggesting that the Rangers suck, or the only gauge of a franchise is championships. What I am suggesting is that Ranger fans see a gap between the Islanders and Rangers as organizations that simply isn't that wide.
I think it's more than Islander fans don't want to acknowledge that the gap might have been larger than you'd admit for the majority of the time since the lockout. You can minimize it and make it about "no cups" but you can't tell me the Rangers haven't been much more competitive than the Islanders over the last 10 years or so. How many times since the lockout have the Islanders even finished ahead of the Rangers in the standings?
Again, the comment about switching teams was a joke - but maybe people wouldn't want to root for an out of state team?
I don't think there's anything particularly futile about NYR since the lockout, but anyone is free to disagree.
They were awful last year, they sold off most pieces and figured out that it was time to rebuild. So, they'll be bad the next few years. I never have a problem with losing as long as there's a plan or direction. They needed to re-stock the pipe and get younger and that's what they're doing.
success than the Islanders. That isn't really debatable. They have made the playoffs more often and clearly had good years. It isn't hard to have more success than the Islanders the last several decades.
I reacted specifically to the idea it is somehow more enjoyable to be a Ranger fan based on that success. I do read a lot of the Ranger threads, although being an Islander fan I virtually never post. Being competitive year in and year out is much better than not, but if I were going to pick another team, I would pick one that wins with some consistency, not another team that would likely just give me another month of hockey.
an Islanders vs. Rangers thead. Both teams have their issues. It's just a really shitty week to see Ranger fans posting about what a shit organization the Islanders are.
The Rangers obviously aren't a model NHL franchise right now, so I don't disagree with that. I mean, if someone was looking to root for a winner right now and didn't care where they played, then yeah- obviously the Rangers aren't the choice. Especially now.
I'm the ship-jumper anyway, so everyone is obviously free to do as they please. I wouldn't be able to root for a pro team outside of NY, though. Which is why I am (sadly), and will always be a Knicks fan. :)
while I agree with part of the premise "if you don't win you lose" I also don't think not winning the cup = futility.
There is a middle ground where the team is competitive, but for a variety of reasons hasn't won a cup. Hardly does that make their franchise futile.
futile NHL franchises are:
Carolina: no playoffs in 10 years, one cup, while great for fans, doesn't change that
Buffalo, no cups, no playoffs in 9 years.
Coyotes
Ottawa
and I don't mean to start shit with this comment, I have zero ill will toward the Yankees I've said this many times, I am simply not a Yankees hater. Mets fans don't become Yankees fans just because Arc, who is an anomaly, did.
Kids in general today, as horrifying as it may seem to Yankees fans don't think of the Yankees as some dominant force. The Yankees haven't been to the World Series in 8 or 9 years and have won 1 World Series in 17 or 18 years.
Sure, their future looks bright, but kids today view the Astros, Royals, Cubs, and even the SF Giants probably more as winners than other MLB teams.
The Rangers obviously aren't a model NHL franchise right now, so I don't disagree with that. I mean, if someone was looking to root for a winner right now and didn't care where they played, then yeah- obviously the Rangers aren't the choice. Especially now.
I'm the ship-jumper anyway, so everyone is obviously free to do as they please. I wouldn't be able to root for a pro team outside of NY, though. Which is why I am (sadly), and will always be a Knicks fan. :)
I sort of envy you. I wish I could root for another team than the Islanders and Mets. I am still nominally a Knick fan but lost interest in the NBA. When I was a kid I tried being a Yankee fan but I couldn't stop checking the Met scores. I grew up with the Islanders in the glory days of the 80s so I can't stop rooting for them. Seeing those days and now these days never gets easier.
Hey, sports is about enjoyment and you should enjoy rooting for the teams you root for. Things started to feel like they were turning for the Islanders with owners who spend, GMs and coaches who have won, and a Calder Cup winner as a C-2. Then we got "Islandered" yesterday.
I will keep rooting for them because their my team, not because they are a model franchise.
Nobody suggested no championships = futility. That was an oversimplification of the point I was making. I was arguing that being a Ranger fan doesn't seem way more joyful than being an Islander fan. I used championships as one measure.
And yes, growing up on Long Island I know a few Mets fans that are now Yankee fans. It does happen.
The Rangers obviously aren't a model NHL franchise right now, so I don't disagree with that. I mean, if someone was looking to root for a winner right now and didn't care where they played, then yeah- obviously the Rangers aren't the choice. Especially now.
I'm the ship-jumper anyway, so everyone is obviously free to do as they please. I wouldn't be able to root for a pro team outside of NY, though. Which is why I am (sadly), and will always be a Knicks fan. :)
I sort of envy you. I wish I could root for another team than the Islanders and Mets. I am still nominally a Knick fan but lost interest in the NBA. When I was a kid I tried being a Yankee fan but I couldn't stop checking the Met scores. I grew up with the Islanders in the glory days of the 80s so I can't stop rooting for them. Seeing those days and now these days never gets easier.
Hey, sports is about enjoyment and you should enjoy rooting for the teams you root for. Things started to feel like they were turning for the Islanders with owners who spend, GMs and coaches who have won, and a Calder Cup winner as a C-2. Then we got "Islandered" yesterday.
I will keep rooting for them because their my team, not because they are a model franchise.
I hear ya. It's a weird process, it takes time. I just became so angry and frustrated over the constantly sad state of the Mets that I finally just said "I'm done... that's it for me"
I had other reasons why it was do-able for me. My Mets fandom always felt like it was sort of on shaky ground whereas it isn't with the Giants/Rangers and never was. Even when the going has gotten tough.
I still wish them well and check in on the scores sometimes. Was just a personal decision and life is short - I have no regrets at all. The guys who have and continue to stick with it are more loyal than I am, which I certainly respect.
I have a friend who switched allegiances years ago and to this day we still give home shit for it. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't stop rooting for a team I grew up with.
Nobody suggested no championships = futility. That was an oversimplification of the point I was making. I was arguing that being a Ranger fan doesn't seem way more joyful than being an Islander fan. I used championships as one measure.
And yes, growing up on Long Island I know a few Mets fans that are now Yankee fans. It does happen.
Well the recency effect is more real in sports than any other part of life perhaps. Because think of things in terms of new fans or young people. They didn't live history.
New hockey fans or young hockey fans don't consider the Canadiens anything special, just like a lot of younger baseball fans don't consider the Yankees that way. Sure, parenting helps, but I'm talking unencumbered fans with no allegiances or different allegiances.
So while the Rangers haven't won a cup in a lot of people's lifetime or since they were old enough to remember it, they've had some enjoyable/exciting seasons. If you want to compare that vs the Islanders I'm not going to get involved.
Just saying that not winning the cup while disappointing, ad is the most important measure of success, it's not the only one.
If it isn't any longer, I don't blame you for jumping ship. The Mets are a tough team to root for since the problem is the owners and they aren't going anywhere.
I have a friend who switched allegiances years ago and to this day we still give home shit for it. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't stop rooting for a team I grew up with.
I didn't have that much. I'm not a baseball jersey guy - literally have never bought one in my life. So, I don't own any Mets jerseys. Never did.
Just a couple hats. My brother is a Mets fan, I gave them to him. I really have nothing else. No Keith Hernandez fat heads or anything.
Most people can't do what I did, and that's fine. I have just as many memories of the Mattingly-era Yankees and funny guys like Sam Militelo as I do the worst team money can buy and "Generation K"
I never hated the Yankees and don't mind people giving me shit for it. If it bothers them, that's their problem - not mine.
a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
Im an islanders fan and I would have to agree that the rangers have been quite a bit better franchise over the past decade plus. I am not even sure thats really open for debate. The rangers smartly drafted, and more importantly, developed defensive and goaltending talent. That was critical to the rangers success in the playoffs for many of those years. The islanders always seemed to have offensive fire power but could never develop the defensemen and, the most important position in the game, a legit number 1 goalie.
As for Tavares leaving, he should have been traded last offseason or before the trade deadline. Regardless of his pleas to ownership, the simple solution was put a contract in front of him, if he signs it dont trade him, if hes doesnt, trade him. Allowing him to leave for nothing is simply inexcusable.
I do think there are brighter days ahead for the islanders, with new management, a new arena, and some young talent, but Sunday certainly wasnt one of them.
Im a Ranger fan, so obviously not objective, it also not trying to be a dick to Isles fans. But having said that, with the high taxes and high cost of living, the up and down nature of the franchise (and lets be honest, for the past few decades, its mostly been down) what would be the attraction for a top f/a to sign with the NYI? Realative to other NHL teams, playing for the Isles means playing almost in obscurity. If the Isles arent the last place any f/a would want to play then they at least have to be pretty near the very bottom.
a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
Im an islanders fan and I would have to agree that the rangers have been quite a bit better franchise over the past decade plus. I am not even sure thats really open for debate. The rangers smartly drafted, and more importantly, developed defensive and goaltending talent. That was critical to the rangers success in the playoffs for many of those years. The islanders always seemed to have offensive fire power but could never develop the defensemen and, the most important position in the game, a legit number 1 goalie.
As for Tavares leaving, he should have been traded last offseason or before the trade deadline. Regardless of his pleas to ownership, the simple solution was put a contract in front of him, if he signs it dont trade him, if hes doesnt, trade him. Allowing him to leave for nothing is simply inexcusable.
I do think there are brighter days ahead for the islanders, with new management, a new arena, and some young talent, but Sunday certainly wasnt one of them.
I hear ya. I really wasn't trying to be a dick to you guys - I know yesterday was a shitty one. Well, I was just trying to be snooty to one person. But not the rest of you.
The Rangers have a LOT of work to do. I'm fairly confident they'll do this rebuild correctly and we'll be good again in 3-4 years. But... we'll see.
on his Maple Syrup bottle in his Maple Leaf pj's.Tavares pretty much said F.U. to the Islanders on his way out.Garth Snowbag should be banned for life from LongIsland,he let Johnny boy go for nothing.
Im a Ranger fan, so obviously not objective, it also not trying to be a dick to Isles fans. But having said that, with the high taxes and high cost of living, the up and down nature of the franchise (and lets be honest, for the past few decades, its mostly been down) what would be the attraction for a top f/a to sign with the NYI? Realative to other NHL teams, playing for the Isles means playing almost in obscurity. If the Isles arent the last place any f/a would want to play then they at least have to be pretty near the very bottom.
This is 100% on the money. Right now the Islanders are signing guys without many other options. That will be the case this year, and possibly the next couple. They finally have owned willing to spend, a GM with a proven track record, and a coach who can win. There are some good pieces in place and some in the pipeline, but they have not shown anything yet. There is no compelling reason to sign with the Islanders right now unless they overpay.
The immediate steps to compete will have to come via trade. The only way the Islanders will become a destination for free agents is to look like a place to get a cup. That is a ways off now.
Dont blame the NYI fans. All shit talking aside, Isles fans are pretty good and especially when you put them against other NHL fans (looking at you Devil fans). When the Isles win they put asses in the seats and even through all these shitty seasons theres still die hard Isles fans. They some history and I think they even won a Cup back when Kennedy was President or something.
Isles should invest more in Suffolk and Ive said for a long time they should build an area around Smithtown. They wont ever compete with NYC, and Brooklyn was just stupid. But the Isles could own Suffolk and even draw some fans from across the Sound (who knows)? Anyway...
The "problem" is really that there isn't a lot of fair weather fans. They have shaken loose the past 25 years. I don't know that being in Suffolk would help because the population just isn't as dense to draw from. They need to measure ease of access against population density. Hopefully Belmont gets them there. But yes, Brooklyn won't ever work. It was a decision made out of necessity rather than out of an idea that they would compete with the Rangers in NYC.
The "problem" is really that there isn't a lot of fair weather fans. They have shaken loose the past 25 years. I don't know that being in Suffolk would help because the population just isn't as dense to draw from. They need to measure ease of access against population density. Hopefully Belmont gets them there. But yes, Brooklyn won't ever work. It was a decision made out of necessity rather than out of an idea that they would compete with the Rangers in NYC.
Idk, I know a few people at MSG that thought the move to BK was a challenge to NYR market. You might be right about Suffolk but theres almost 1.5 million in Suffolk and about the same in Nassau. Thats nothing to sneeze at and more than some other NHL markets. I just think the Isles are kind of in no mans land in Nassau and even the Belmont thing is sort of doomed by location. Imagine a nice arena in Huntington. No idea if that would even be possible land wise, but it would be a blast to take in an NHL game and then hang out in Huntington.
The bottom line is that they could fill the Coliseum
Belmont or even Barclays if they were winning. Nassau is geographically smaller and has better public transport. I grew up in Suffolk and would love to see them there, but it will never happen. A challenge to the Rangers fan base would make no sense unless they were winning, which they clearly wouldn't. Brooklyn was Plan B when Nassau crapped the bed fixing the Coliseum.
If they have a competitive team they will have butts in seats. The goal now is to be able to compete when they move into Belmont in three years.
in youth hockey every year we'd take a bus trip from CY to LI and play Oyster Bay during the day and then go to an Islanders night game after. A couple times we did the mini one on one in between periods.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
in youth hockey every year we'd take a bus trip from CY to LI and play Oyster Bay during the day and then go to an Islanders night game after. A couple times we did the mini one on one in between periods.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
Dont blame the NYI fans. All shit talking aside, Isles fans are pretty good and especially when you put them against other NHL fans (looking at you Devil fans).
Do you know what you are you talking about? Since 2006, you know how many times the Islanders had better attendance than the Devils? 3. So relax on shitting on Devils fans.
Might as well go root for the Rangers now since it's been tough time for the Isles for a few years
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Might as well go root for the Rangers now since it's been tough time for the Isles for a few years
I've been a Rangers fan my entire life, buddy.
But I wouldn't blame any of you if you wanted to root for a less embarrassing team. :)
Maybe Dolan will sell to the Wilpons.
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Haha, it's not THAT bad... the Rangers had a good run, just couldn't seal the deal. I'm glad we're rebuilding now. It was time. It'll take a couple years, but that's fine. Just glad we opted not to try to make another run with the group we had.
Maybe Dolan will sell to the Wilpons.
I'd just quit sports at that point.
The Rangers were a perennial postseason team for a decade and won a lot of playoff series'
Of course, at the end of the day - our last trophy is still sitting in 1994 and almost doesn't count. But it was a good run.
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Looks like the 12th man got ahead of himself again.
Might as well go root for the Rangers now since it's been tough time for the Isles for a few years
I've been a Rangers fan my entire life, buddy.
But I wouldn't blame any of you if you wanted to root for a less embarrassing team. :)
haha I was referencing you going from Mets to Yanks.
I guess my trying to be salty didn't work!
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
They got a runner up award a few years ago. Something well never see with the isles anytime soon. So they can make fun of us
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
Futile ten years ago, yes, I would agree. But the Rangers have been in the playoffs essentially every year and most times make it out of the first round with a couple of conference championships appearances and making it to the cup one year. Now, only winning one playoff series in the last 20 years, yes, that is futile.
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
Exactly!
I definitely don't define it that way, but to each their own
Just trying to understand what you are saying. I know another sport, but a team like the Utah Jazz that have made the playoffs basically every year, but no championship, is futile?
I guess I don't think that championships are the only defining factor.
The Rangers made it to the ECF 3 out of four years (12, 14, 15). Have won rounds in many other years and made playoffs every year since the lockout besides 2010 and this year. If that is futile, then I do not know the definition of it. The Islanders have missed the playoffs most years since the lockout, have won one playoff series since 1993 (that's 25 years), and just let their best player walk when they should have either had his signature on a new contract or traded him before last year or at least the deadline. But, yeah, I can see the similarities. You cant possibly believe that, can you?
Let me put in another way. If an Islander fan was tired of their futility and wanted to root for a winner, do you think they would likely become Ranger fans? Knicks fans became Bulls and Lakers fans. Mets fans become Yankee fans. They change to teams that win. Why would an Islander fan become a Ranger fan instead of a Penguin fan?
I am not suggesting that the Rangers suck, or the only gauge of a franchise is championships. What I am suggesting is that Ranger fans see a gap between the Islanders and Rangers as organizations that simply isn't that wide.
Let me put in another way. If an Islander fan was tired of their futility and wanted to root for a winner, do you think they would likely become Ranger fans? Knicks fans became Bulls and Lakers fans. Mets fans become Yankee fans. They change to teams that win. Why would an Islander fan become a Ranger fan instead of a Penguin fan?
I am not suggesting that the Rangers suck, or the only gauge of a franchise is championships. What I am suggesting is that Ranger fans see a gap between the Islanders and Rangers as organizations that simply isn't that wide.
I think it's more than Islander fans don't want to acknowledge that the gap might have been larger than you'd admit for the majority of the time since the lockout. You can minimize it and make it about "no cups" but you can't tell me the Rangers haven't been much more competitive than the Islanders over the last 10 years or so. How many times since the lockout have the Islanders even finished ahead of the Rangers in the standings?
Again, the comment about switching teams was a joke - but maybe people wouldn't want to root for an out of state team?
I don't think there's anything particularly futile about NYR since the lockout, but anyone is free to disagree.
They were awful last year, they sold off most pieces and figured out that it was time to rebuild. So, they'll be bad the next few years. I never have a problem with losing as long as there's a plan or direction. They needed to re-stock the pipe and get younger and that's what they're doing.
I reacted specifically to the idea it is somehow more enjoyable to be a Ranger fan based on that success. I do read a lot of the Ranger threads, although being an Islander fan I virtually never post. Being competitive year in and year out is much better than not, but if I were going to pick another team, I would pick one that wins with some consistency, not another team that would likely just give me another month of hockey.
I'm the ship-jumper anyway, so everyone is obviously free to do as they please. I wouldn't be able to root for a pro team outside of NY, though. Which is why I am (sadly), and will always be a Knicks fan. :)
There is a middle ground where the team is competitive, but for a variety of reasons hasn't won a cup. Hardly does that make their franchise futile.
futile NHL franchises are:
Carolina: no playoffs in 10 years, one cup, while great for fans, doesn't change that
Buffalo, no cups, no playoffs in 9 years.
Coyotes
Ottawa
and I don't mean to start shit with this comment, I have zero ill will toward the Yankees I've said this many times, I am simply not a Yankees hater. Mets fans don't become Yankees fans just because Arc, who is an anomaly, did.
Kids in general today, as horrifying as it may seem to Yankees fans don't think of the Yankees as some dominant force. The Yankees haven't been to the World Series in 8 or 9 years and have won 1 World Series in 17 or 18 years.
Sure, their future looks bright, but kids today view the Astros, Royals, Cubs, and even the SF Giants probably more as winners than other MLB teams.
I'm the ship-jumper anyway, so everyone is obviously free to do as they please. I wouldn't be able to root for a pro team outside of NY, though. Which is why I am (sadly), and will always be a Knicks fan. :)
I sort of envy you. I wish I could root for another team than the Islanders and Mets. I am still nominally a Knick fan but lost interest in the NBA. When I was a kid I tried being a Yankee fan but I couldn't stop checking the Met scores. I grew up with the Islanders in the glory days of the 80s so I can't stop rooting for them. Seeing those days and now these days never gets easier.
Hey, sports is about enjoyment and you should enjoy rooting for the teams you root for. Things started to feel like they were turning for the Islanders with owners who spend, GMs and coaches who have won, and a Calder Cup winner as a C-2. Then we got "Islandered" yesterday.
I will keep rooting for them because their my team, not because they are a model franchise.
And yes, growing up on Long Island I know a few Mets fans that are now Yankee fans. It does happen.
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The Rangers obviously aren't a model NHL franchise right now, so I don't disagree with that. I mean, if someone was looking to root for a winner right now and didn't care where they played, then yeah- obviously the Rangers aren't the choice. Especially now.
I'm the ship-jumper anyway, so everyone is obviously free to do as they please. I wouldn't be able to root for a pro team outside of NY, though. Which is why I am (sadly), and will always be a Knicks fan. :)
I sort of envy you. I wish I could root for another team than the Islanders and Mets. I am still nominally a Knick fan but lost interest in the NBA. When I was a kid I tried being a Yankee fan but I couldn't stop checking the Met scores. I grew up with the Islanders in the glory days of the 80s so I can't stop rooting for them. Seeing those days and now these days never gets easier.
Hey, sports is about enjoyment and you should enjoy rooting for the teams you root for. Things started to feel like they were turning for the Islanders with owners who spend, GMs and coaches who have won, and a Calder Cup winner as a C-2. Then we got "Islandered" yesterday.
I will keep rooting for them because their my team, not because they are a model franchise.
I hear ya. It's a weird process, it takes time. I just became so angry and frustrated over the constantly sad state of the Mets that I finally just said "I'm done... that's it for me"
I had other reasons why it was do-able for me. My Mets fandom always felt like it was sort of on shaky ground whereas it isn't with the Giants/Rangers and never was. Even when the going has gotten tough.
I still wish them well and check in on the scores sometimes. Was just a personal decision and life is short - I have no regrets at all. The guys who have and continue to stick with it are more loyal than I am, which I certainly respect.
I have a friend who switched allegiances years ago and to this day we still give home shit for it. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't stop rooting for a team I grew up with.
And yes, growing up on Long Island I know a few Mets fans that are now Yankee fans. It does happen.
Well the recency effect is more real in sports than any other part of life perhaps. Because think of things in terms of new fans or young people. They didn't live history.
New hockey fans or young hockey fans don't consider the Canadiens anything special, just like a lot of younger baseball fans don't consider the Yankees that way. Sure, parenting helps, but I'm talking unencumbered fans with no allegiances or different allegiances.
So while the Rangers haven't won a cup in a lot of people's lifetime or since they were old enough to remember it, they've had some enjoyable/exciting seasons. If you want to compare that vs the Islanders I'm not going to get involved.
Just saying that not winning the cup while disappointing, ad is the most important measure of success, it's not the only one.
The rest I'll leave you all to figure out.
I have a friend who switched allegiances years ago and to this day we still give home shit for it. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't stop rooting for a team I grew up with.
I didn't have that much. I'm not a baseball jersey guy - literally have never bought one in my life. So, I don't own any Mets jerseys. Never did.
Just a couple hats. My brother is a Mets fan, I gave them to him. I really have nothing else. No Keith Hernandez fat heads or anything.
Most people can't do what I did, and that's fine. I have just as many memories of the Mattingly-era Yankees and funny guys like Sam Militelo as I do the worst team money can buy and "Generation K"
I never hated the Yankees and don't mind people giving me shit for it. If it bothers them, that's their problem - not mine.
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a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
Im an islanders fan and I would have to agree that the rangers have been quite a bit better franchise over the past decade plus. I am not even sure thats really open for debate. The rangers smartly drafted, and more importantly, developed defensive and goaltending talent. That was critical to the rangers success in the playoffs for many of those years. The islanders always seemed to have offensive fire power but could never develop the defensemen and, the most important position in the game, a legit number 1 goalie.
As for Tavares leaving, he should have been traded last offseason or before the trade deadline. Regardless of his pleas to ownership, the simple solution was put a contract in front of him, if he signs it dont trade him, if hes doesnt, trade him. Allowing him to leave for nothing is simply inexcusable.
I do think there are brighter days ahead for the islanders, with new management, a new arena, and some young talent, but Sunday certainly wasnt one of them.
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a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
Im an islanders fan and I would have to agree that the rangers have been quite a bit better franchise over the past decade plus. I am not even sure thats really open for debate. The rangers smartly drafted, and more importantly, developed defensive and goaltending talent. That was critical to the rangers success in the playoffs for many of those years. The islanders always seemed to have offensive fire power but could never develop the defensemen and, the most important position in the game, a legit number 1 goalie.
As for Tavares leaving, he should have been traded last offseason or before the trade deadline. Regardless of his pleas to ownership, the simple solution was put a contract in front of him, if he signs it dont trade him, if hes doesnt, trade him. Allowing him to leave for nothing is simply inexcusable.
I do think there are brighter days ahead for the islanders, with new management, a new arena, and some young talent, but Sunday certainly wasnt one of them.
I hear ya. I really wasn't trying to be a dick to you guys - I know yesterday was a shitty one. Well, I was just trying to be snooty to one person. But not the rest of you.
The Rangers have a LOT of work to do. I'm fairly confident they'll do this rebuild correctly and we'll be good again in 3-4 years. But... we'll see.
This is 100% on the money. Right now the Islanders are signing guys without many other options. That will be the case this year, and possibly the next couple. They finally have owned willing to spend, a GM with a proven track record, and a coach who can win. There are some good pieces in place and some in the pipeline, but they have not shown anything yet. There is no compelling reason to sign with the Islanders right now unless they overpay.
The immediate steps to compete will have to come via trade. The only way the Islanders will become a destination for free agents is to look like a place to get a cup. That is a ways off now.
Isles should invest more in Suffolk and Ive said for a long time they should build an area around Smithtown. They wont ever compete with NYC, and Brooklyn was just stupid. But the Isles could own Suffolk and even draw some fans from across the Sound (who knows)? Anyway...
Idk, I know a few people at MSG that thought the move to BK was a challenge to NYR market. You might be right about Suffolk but theres almost 1.5 million in Suffolk and about the same in Nassau. Thats nothing to sneeze at and more than some other NHL markets. I just think the Isles are kind of in no mans land in Nassau and even the Belmont thing is sort of doomed by location. Imagine a nice arena in Huntington. No idea if that would even be possible land wise, but it would be a blast to take in an NHL game and then hang out in Huntington.
If they have a competitive team they will have butts in seats. The goal now is to be able to compete when they move into Belmont in three years.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
CY should be *CT*
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Sounds like Islanders close on Robin Lehner.
Do you know what you are you talking about? Since 2006, you know how many times the Islanders had better attendance than the Devils? 3. So relax on shitting on Devils fans.