Im a Ranger fan, so obviously not objective, it also not trying to be a dick to Isles fans. But having said that, with the high taxes and high cost of living, the up and down nature of the franchise (and lets be honest, for the past few decades, its mostly been down) what would be the attraction for a top f/a to sign with the NYI? Realative to other NHL teams, playing for the Isles means playing almost in obscurity. If the Isles arent the last place any f/a would want to play then they at least have to be pretty near the very bottom.
a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
Im an islanders fan and I would have to agree that the rangers have been quite a bit better franchise over the past decade plus. I am not even sure thats really open for debate. The rangers smartly drafted, and more importantly, developed defensive and goaltending talent. That was critical to the rangers success in the playoffs for many of those years. The islanders always seemed to have offensive fire power but could never develop the defensemen and, the most important position in the game, a legit number 1 goalie.
As for Tavares leaving, he should have been traded last offseason or before the trade deadline. Regardless of his pleas to ownership, the simple solution was put a contract in front of him, if he signs it dont trade him, if hes doesnt, trade him. Allowing him to leave for nothing is simply inexcusable.
I do think there are brighter days ahead for the islanders, with new management, a new arena, and some young talent, but Sunday certainly wasnt one of them.
I hear ya. I really wasn't trying to be a dick to you guys - I know yesterday was a shitty one. Well, I was just trying to be snooty to one person. But not the rest of you.
The Rangers have a LOT of work to do. I'm fairly confident they'll do this rebuild correctly and we'll be good again in 3-4 years. But... we'll see.
on his Maple Syrup bottle in his Maple Leaf pj's.Tavares pretty much said F.U. to the Islanders on his way out.Garth Snowbag should be banned for life from LongIsland,he let Johnny boy go for nothing.
Im a Ranger fan, so obviously not objective, it also not trying to be a dick to Isles fans. But having said that, with the high taxes and high cost of living, the up and down nature of the franchise (and lets be honest, for the past few decades, its mostly been down) what would be the attraction for a top f/a to sign with the NYI? Realative to other NHL teams, playing for the Isles means playing almost in obscurity. If the Isles arent the last place any f/a would want to play then they at least have to be pretty near the very bottom.
This is 100% on the money. Right now the Islanders are signing guys without many other options. That will be the case this year, and possibly the next couple. They finally have owned willing to spend, a GM with a proven track record, and a coach who can win. There are some good pieces in place and some in the pipeline, but they have not shown anything yet. There is no compelling reason to sign with the Islanders right now unless they overpay.
The immediate steps to compete will have to come via trade. The only way the Islanders will become a destination for free agents is to look like a place to get a cup. That is a ways off now.
Dont blame the NYI fans. All shit talking aside, Isles fans are pretty good and especially when you put them against other NHL fans (looking at you Devil fans). When the Isles win they put asses in the seats and even through all these shitty seasons theres still die hard Isles fans. They some history and I think they even won a Cup back when Kennedy was President or something.
Isles should invest more in Suffolk and Ive said for a long time they should build an area around Smithtown. They wont ever compete with NYC, and Brooklyn was just stupid. But the Isles could own Suffolk and even draw some fans from across the Sound (who knows)? Anyway...
The "problem" is really that there isn't a lot of fair weather fans. They have shaken loose the past 25 years. I don't know that being in Suffolk would help because the population just isn't as dense to draw from. They need to measure ease of access against population density. Hopefully Belmont gets them there. But yes, Brooklyn won't ever work. It was a decision made out of necessity rather than out of an idea that they would compete with the Rangers in NYC.
The "problem" is really that there isn't a lot of fair weather fans. They have shaken loose the past 25 years. I don't know that being in Suffolk would help because the population just isn't as dense to draw from. They need to measure ease of access against population density. Hopefully Belmont gets them there. But yes, Brooklyn won't ever work. It was a decision made out of necessity rather than out of an idea that they would compete with the Rangers in NYC.
Idk, I know a few people at MSG that thought the move to BK was a challenge to NYR market. You might be right about Suffolk but theres almost 1.5 million in Suffolk and about the same in Nassau. Thats nothing to sneeze at and more than some other NHL markets. I just think the Isles are kind of in no mans land in Nassau and even the Belmont thing is sort of doomed by location. Imagine a nice arena in Huntington. No idea if that would even be possible land wise, but it would be a blast to take in an NHL game and then hang out in Huntington.
The bottom line is that they could fill the Coliseum
Belmont or even Barclays if they were winning. Nassau is geographically smaller and has better public transport. I grew up in Suffolk and would love to see them there, but it will never happen. A challenge to the Rangers fan base would make no sense unless they were winning, which they clearly wouldn't. Brooklyn was Plan B when Nassau crapped the bed fixing the Coliseum.
If they have a competitive team they will have butts in seats. The goal now is to be able to compete when they move into Belmont in three years.
in youth hockey every year we'd take a bus trip from CY to LI and play Oyster Bay during the day and then go to an Islanders night game after. A couple times we did the mini one on one in between periods.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
in youth hockey every year we'd take a bus trip from CY to LI and play Oyster Bay during the day and then go to an Islanders night game after. A couple times we did the mini one on one in between periods.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
Dont blame the NYI fans. All shit talking aside, Isles fans are pretty good and especially when you put them against other NHL fans (looking at you Devil fans).
Do you know what you are you talking about? Since 2006, you know how many times the Islanders had better attendance than the Devils? 3. So relax on shitting on Devils fans.
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a less embarassing organization that the Islanders? Is it ever not 1994 in your world?
Both organizations have been futile for 20 years. Neither fan base has room to look down in the other.
I would say the Rangers have been quite a bit better since the lockout.
It doesn't always have to be about counting Cups.
The Rangers haven't won a Cup since 94 - but they also haven't been "futile" they played as many or more playoff games than basically any franchise in the NHL from 2006-2017. I don't think that's futile.
My comment wasn't even that serious anyway. NYR are going to be terrible this season - which is fine, they need to rebuild. I just had to poke a little fun at 12th man always getting ahead of himself and making all of these proclamations about the Islanders lapping the Rangers since he does it every year and it still hasn't happened.
Im an islanders fan and I would have to agree that the rangers have been quite a bit better franchise over the past decade plus. I am not even sure thats really open for debate. The rangers smartly drafted, and more importantly, developed defensive and goaltending talent. That was critical to the rangers success in the playoffs for many of those years. The islanders always seemed to have offensive fire power but could never develop the defensemen and, the most important position in the game, a legit number 1 goalie.
As for Tavares leaving, he should have been traded last offseason or before the trade deadline. Regardless of his pleas to ownership, the simple solution was put a contract in front of him, if he signs it dont trade him, if hes doesnt, trade him. Allowing him to leave for nothing is simply inexcusable.
I do think there are brighter days ahead for the islanders, with new management, a new arena, and some young talent, but Sunday certainly wasnt one of them.
I hear ya. I really wasn't trying to be a dick to you guys - I know yesterday was a shitty one. Well, I was just trying to be snooty to one person. But not the rest of you.
The Rangers have a LOT of work to do. I'm fairly confident they'll do this rebuild correctly and we'll be good again in 3-4 years. But... we'll see.
This is 100% on the money. Right now the Islanders are signing guys without many other options. That will be the case this year, and possibly the next couple. They finally have owned willing to spend, a GM with a proven track record, and a coach who can win. There are some good pieces in place and some in the pipeline, but they have not shown anything yet. There is no compelling reason to sign with the Islanders right now unless they overpay.
The immediate steps to compete will have to come via trade. The only way the Islanders will become a destination for free agents is to look like a place to get a cup. That is a ways off now.
Isles should invest more in Suffolk and Ive said for a long time they should build an area around Smithtown. They wont ever compete with NYC, and Brooklyn was just stupid. But the Isles could own Suffolk and even draw some fans from across the Sound (who knows)? Anyway...
Idk, I know a few people at MSG that thought the move to BK was a challenge to NYR market. You might be right about Suffolk but theres almost 1.5 million in Suffolk and about the same in Nassau. Thats nothing to sneeze at and more than some other NHL markets. I just think the Isles are kind of in no mans land in Nassau and even the Belmont thing is sort of doomed by location. Imagine a nice arena in Huntington. No idea if that would even be possible land wise, but it would be a blast to take in an NHL game and then hang out in Huntington.
If they have a competitive team they will have butts in seats. The goal now is to be able to compete when they move into Belmont in three years.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
three years in a row our locker room was robbed in Oyster Bay and Nassau Coliseum was a dump too.
Not saying move them out of Nassau or LI, but build a new arena, or send them on their way to Quebec.
I am sure Islanders fans know more about this than me and I'd guess it's being rebuilt better than before. It was I believe the smallest arena in the league and one of the oldest and one of the biggest shit holes.
CY should be *CT*
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Sounds like Islanders close on Robin Lehner.
Do you know what you are you talking about? Since 2006, you know how many times the Islanders had better attendance than the Devils? 3. So relax on shitting on Devils fans.