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NFT: Mets Minors 7/2/2018-McNeil continues to rake

DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 7:29 am
AAA-Flexen
AA Crismatt
A+ Harol
A TBD
BK James
Kingsport Cleveland
GCL TBD
DSL1
DSL2

AAA
Alonso 1-4, 2b, BB, 2 k's (.189 over his last 10)
McNeil 1-2, 2 BB (.400 with 5 walks, 2 homers last 10)
Conlon 7 innings 6 hits 2 runs 1 walk 3 k's
Bautista 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k


AA
Nido 1-5, BB, K
Mora 2-5, BB, K
Molina 5 innings 6 hits 1 run 0 walks 2 k's
Ryan 1 inning 2 hits 1 run 2 walks 2 k's
Torres 3 innings 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 4 k's

St. Lucie
Gimenez 0-4 3 k's (Really struggling .158 last 10 game, 18 for his last 93 over 26 games)
Lindsay 1-4, K
Cornish 7 inning 4 hits 2 runs 3 walks 12 k's (Wow. 6.12 era, really out of nowhere start)
Villines 1 perfect 1 k

Columbia
Fermin 2-5 (.366 over his last 10)
Tiberi 0-3, BB, 2 k's
Winaker 1-2, 2 BB
Vasques 0-4, BB, K
Manea 1-4, BB

BK
Lagrange 1-4, 2b
Chambers 0-3, BB
Adolph 0-4, 2 k's
Meyer 1-4, K

Kingsport
Granadillo 3-5, K (.966 OPS over his first 8 games)
Newton 1-4, 2b, BB, 2 k's
Santana 0-5
Hernandez 1-4, 2b, K
Dirocie 2-4, HR, K (1.531 OPS over his first 10 games, he is repeating the level however but wow)
Vientos 2-3, 2 BB
Bryant 5 innings 4 hits 2 runs 1 walk 6 k's
Tripp 1 perfect 1 k
Dan  
CMicks3110 : 7/2/2018 7:34 am : link
two questions:

1. How much longer until we see McNeil. It seems like there is nothing more to prove at the minor league level.

2. How excited should we met fans be about the youngster on the kingsport/gcl teams (dirocle, newton, kelenic, vientos, mauricio, santana) do these kids have the making of a nice little core down the line?
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 7:49 am : link
In comment 14004117 CMicks3110 said:
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two questions:

1. How much longer until we see McNeil. It seems like there is nothing more to prove at the minor league level.

2. How excited should we met fans be about the youngster on the kingsport/gcl teams (dirocle, newton, kelenic, vientos, mauricio, santana) do these kids have the making of a nice little core down the line?


McNeil SHOULD be up but they have their own considerations like 40 man spots, service time etc. I mean he's been absolutely crushing it all season. At least with Alonso he's struggled a bit AND they have Dom who they obviously want to give a "final" shot to before moving on. Hopefully they move Cabrera (or dump Reyes, or both) and McNeil comes up.

2. I'm not ready to put Dirocie in with the rest of those guys he's 4 full years older than Mauricio, 2 years older than Kelenic. He's been a beast to begin the season but repeating and 21... seeing is believing. Santana also isn't on the same level of the other names but he is one to watch, Badler liked him, he sounds similar to what Dilson Herrera was at a similar stage. Kelenic is probably the #1 prospect in the system with Mauricio and Vientos also top 5, Newton is very intriguing, some even believe he can stick at SS at 6'4, odds are against that but he seems like the rare cheap IFA find that the Mets haven't really landed in recent years
Ok, thanks  
CMicks3110 : 7/2/2018 7:56 am : link
But On the 2nd question. Should we be very, somewhat, or cautiously excited. I know youre more of a realist. Are these kids too 100 prospects in 2 ears or less?
RE: Ok, thanks  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 8:02 am : link
In comment 14004134 CMicks3110 said:
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But On the 2nd question. Should we be very, somewhat, or cautiously excited. I know youre more of a realist. Are these kids too 100 prospects in 2 ears or less?


Kelenic already is, Mauricio is probably the next most likely. Santana a 5'8 2b is going to have a tough time cracking the list at any point just by positional/size bias. Vientos certainly has a shot. Scout I spoke to loves Newton but the sample size is SO small. That's certainly the most interesting group they have. I'm not particularly impressed with Peterson in terms of being the next big thing. He should be a big leaguer but probably more of an innings eating 4 (which I'll take) but some of these other guys could be difference makers. Worth noting none of them will see the bigs before 2021 and even then that's being optimistic. 2022 and beyond.
Should they really be concerned  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 8:09 am : link
about McNeil's service time clock?

If there is no age start to the FA/ARB years clock won't he be like 33/34 when he hits free agency?

I believe he's eligible for Rule V next year so they need to either add him to the 40 man then or lose him anyway (which I doubt they'd do at this point).

But not bringing him up can't possibly help in their evaluation of him.
Bring up McNeil after we trade Cabrera  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2018 8:27 am : link
So he can play every day. It wont be that much longer.
RE: Should they really be concerned  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 8:55 am : link
In comment 14004149 pjcas18 said:
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about McNeil's service time clock?

If there is no age start to the FA/ARB years clock won't he be like 33/34 when he hits free agency?

I believe he's eligible for Rule V next year so they need to either add him to the 40 man then or lose him anyway (which I doubt they'd do at this point).

But not bringing him up can't possibly help in their evaluation of him.


I'm not defending them at all. I'm just saying I'm sure it's part of their thought process. It's not FA per se, it's paying him "real" money a year earlier. 40 man has guys like Molina still on there so other than the rumors they want Reyes and Wright to play together service time has to be considered. The one problem I see going into next season is waiting to get a look at guys like McNeil and Alonso... it means again ?? headed into the season which is fine for a rebuilding team but not so great for a team trying to "be good" next year.
I think trying to be good next year  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 9:00 am : link
will depend almost 100% on what they do with deGrom and Thor (if he ever returns).

If they keep both deGrom and Thor then I think the Mets HAVE to try and be good. If they get rid of one I think it's probably burn it down time. If they get rid of both it's definitely burn it down time.

Right? I think deGrom has been as much of a team player as any Met I can recall, but even he seems to be reaching his boiling point after last start, "Yeah, I'm getting pretty tired to losing all the time" or whatever he said.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:03 am : link
fine with keeping or trading them but if they are traded they better be okay with a rebuild/taking back the best talent not simply closest to the majors. I don't particularly trust the Mets to target maybe a kid in A+ who won't be ready until second half 2019 but they should.
Biggest  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:12 am : link
bonus they have ever given

Jesse Sanchez

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Source: #Mets agree to a $2.7 million deal with catcher Francisco Alvarez, #13 on @MLBPipelines Top 30 Intl Prospects list.
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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:13 am : link
2.7 to Alvarez, 1.45 to Valdez. That looks to be the "entirety" of the Mets IFA pool unless they trade for more money #Mets
I agree there  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 9:14 am : link
I'm just saying whether or not the Mets are in "win now" mode is dependent on those two specifically.

And that status of win-now vs rebuild would trigger other moves like trying to dump guys like Bruce and Frazier and ideally Cespedes.

and rolling with others though I wouldn't call McNeil young.
Mlbpipeline  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:14 am : link
13. Francisco Alvarez, C, Venezuela -- Mets ($2,700,000)
25. Freddy Valdez, OF, Dominican Republic -- Mets ($1,450,000)
RE: Biggest  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14004216 DanMetroMan said:
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bonus they have ever given

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Source: #Mets agree to a $2.7 million deal with catcher Francisco Alvarez, #13 on @MLBPipelines Top 30 Intl Prospects list.


So #13 gets $2.7M? Were the 12 higher ranked prospects given more? I know it's not slotted like the draft, but with the pools teams have, just wondering if #13 could be say the 5th highest paid (for example)

I was reading somewhere that last year the Mets signed 44 IFA's. How did they do that with Mauricio and Hernandez plus others? Were the bulk of them like 25k or just low $$$ signings?
RE: RE: Biggest  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 14004224 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14004216 DanMetroMan said:


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bonus they have ever given

Jesse Sanchez

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@JesseSanchezMLB
Following Following @JesseSanchezMLB
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Source: #Mets agree to a $2.7 million deal with catcher Francisco Alvarez, #13 on @MLBPipelines Top 30 Intl Prospects list.



So #13 gets $2.7M? Were the 12 higher ranked prospects given more? I know it's not slotted like the draft, but with the pools teams have, just wondering if #13 could be say the 5th highest paid (for example)

I was reading somewhere that last year the Mets signed 44 IFA's. How did they do that with Mauricio and Hernandez plus others? Were the bulk of them like 25k or just low $$$ signings?


The bonus money often doesn't represent how much teams have them ranked. There are some shady dealings involving buscones/trainers that push players to certain teams for various reasons. Last year the Mets signed 3 players who got 500K or more, Mauricio/Hernandez and Consuegra. The 4th biggest bonus they gave out was 125 K to a guy I've never heard mentioned since that time (Eduardo Salazar). He's apparently in the DSL but I've legit never heard a single person mention him since he was signed. Doesn't mean anything either way. Hernandez has struggled in the DSL, not a great sign but he's 17.
BA  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:22 am : link
has them 9 and 29, so roughly the same as MLB.com
Be our Sanchez thanks!  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:22 am : link
MLB Pipeline had the following to say about Alvarez:

At 5-foot-11 and 220 pounds, Alvarez is a strong prospect with a stocky build and an offense-oriented set of tools. He has a reputation for hitting well in games, which speaks to his emerging hit tool. He also shows power now and the potential for more in the future. Like most young catching prospects, Alvarez is not known for his running ability.

The teenagers bat stands out more than his glovework at the moment, but he has also shown a good arm and solid defensive actions behind the plate. He is expected to improve on his overall defensive game once he signs with a team and receives daily instruction at a clubs academy.
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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:23 am : link
Baseball America commented on Valdez:

Valdezs best offensive tool is his raw power, with a power-over-hit profile. Valdez doesnt have natural hitting rhythm, so it may take time for him to improve his balance and timing to sync everything up in games to tap into his power.

A corner outfielder right now, Valdez is so big already that theres risk he could end up at first base. Hes a below-average runner but he moved well for his size and read the ball well off the bat, showing better mobility than he did in November at MLBs Dominican national showcase. Valdez has a strong arm too.
At least in this guys opinion  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 9:23 am : link
the Mets are well regarded.

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Jesse Sanchez
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Here's another for the Mets. Their reputation in Latin America and across the globe is a strong one......

Source: #Mets agree to a $1.45 million deal with outfielder Freddy Valdez, #25 on @MLBPipelines Top 30 Intl Prospects list.
I read this scouting report before and this is weird phrasing  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 9:26 am : link
IMO. Does this mean technically he's not a good hitter or he doesn't hit well in practice or is this maybe a language translation nuance.

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...He has a reputation for hitting well in games..


Maybe I'm just reading too much into the actual words, but usually they say something like he's a good hitter, or plus hit tool or something like that. I just found this wording strange if it's intentional.
RE: I read this scouting report before and this is weird phrasing  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 14004242 pjcas18 said:
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IMO. Does this mean technically he's not a good hitter or he doesn't hit well in practice or is this maybe a language translation nuance.



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...He has a reputation for hitting well in games..



Maybe I'm just reading too much into the actual words, but usually they say something like he's a good hitter, or plus hit tool or something like that. I just found this wording strange if it's intentional.


Hitting in games means exactly how it sounds. Some of these guys are judged based mostly on their tools in workouts.
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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:40 am : link
Mets sign VZ OF Mario Paiva, don't see a single scouting report or mention of him anywhere online other than that the Mets signed him so can't imagine he's a big get (on paper)
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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:53 am : link
Jacob Resnick


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The #Mets are signing 7 IFAs today:
Francisco Alvarez
Freddy Valdez
Mario Paiva
Luis Castillo
Bradley Encarnacion
Javier Atencio
Jhonny Ventura
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 9:55 am : link
be bailing on the Mets if they made the Yankee deal
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The catcher looks like a catcher  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 11:12 am : link
The OFer looks like he needs to bulk up a little.

With all the buzz on Alvarez today  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2018 11:22 am : link
It amazes me how much people shit on Plawecki. Only about a 30 game sample this year but hes providing good D with a wRC+ of 115.
Here's a video of Alvarez hitting and throwing  
Ira : 7/2/2018 11:25 am : link
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Red  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 11:44 am : link
Sox have had scouts following the Mets, the Brewers reportedly are going to be very aggressive as well
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DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 11:46 am : link
1 K is no great shakes but Junior Santos continues to deal Junior Santos: 5 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K #Mets
Morosi  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 11:56 am : link
thinks the White Sox and Padres could get involved for the Mets big 2. Padres are LOADED with talent.
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Familia  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 12:02 pm : link
to the Red Sox makes sense.

Would they be scouting one of the big fishes (deGrom or Thor)?

Not sure who else they could use. I always thought Flores would put up big numbers hitting at Fenway.

Shallow farm with the Groome TJS and I doubt they part with Devers.
RE: Familia  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14004472 pjcas18 said:
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to the Red Sox makes sense.

Would they be scouting one of the big fishes (deGrom or Thor)?

Not sure who else they could use. I always thought Flores would put up big numbers hitting at Fenway.

Shallow farm with the Groome TJS and I doubt they part with Devers.


People are suggesting they are interested in Cabrera and/or Frazier. Obviously the return on either wouldn't be massive but should be able to get something. They have some live arms that you'd have to trust your scouts on. I remember last year bagging on Sam Travis and some guy on here blasting me for that opinion. He sucks.
RE: RE: Familia  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14004508 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14004472 pjcas18 said:


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to the Red Sox makes sense.

Would they be scouting one of the big fishes (deGrom or Thor)?

Not sure who else they could use. I always thought Flores would put up big numbers hitting at Fenway.

Shallow farm with the Groome TJS and I doubt they part with Devers.



People are suggesting they are interested in Cabrera and/or Frazier. Obviously the return on either wouldn't be massive but should be able to get something. They have some live arms that you'd have to trust your scouts on. I remember last year bagging on Sam Travis and some guy on here blasting me for that opinion. He sucks.


I'd trade both to them. I know nothing about Sam Travis.

Cabrera doesn't fit the Mets future and Frazier has limited utility.

Sox  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 12:56 pm : link
system sucks but guys like Houck, Mata, Hernandez have live arms, if your scouts like them they are guys you hope to mold. I wouldn't do Familia for one of them but for Frazier or Cabrera I'd take a guy like that.
Cameron  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 1:53 pm : link
Planck faced 3 batters and was pulled.
RE: Cameron  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14004626 DanMetroMan said:
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Planck faced 3 batters and was pulled.


this was his pro debut, right?
RE: RE: Cameron  
DanMetroMan : 7/2/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14004628 pjcas18 said:
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Planck faced 3 batters and was pulled.



this was his pro debut, right?


Yes. Really bad injury (capsule). So this isn't great.
Double dose  
Shecky : 7/2/2018 2:09 pm : link
Of debuts day!!!!
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pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 2:28 pm : link
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Jacob Resnick
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Heres the #Mets July 2 IFA signing class (LtoR: Freddy Valdez, Luis Castillo, Jhonny Ventura, Francisco Alvarez, Bradley Encarnacion, Javier Atencio, Mario Paiva)


I generally put zero stock in the rankings on international  
bhill410 : 7/3/2018 3:29 am : link
Except for crazy consensus top tier talent. Reality is that these are teenagers are teams are all over map in preference. Following money and agents is much clearer indication in my mind.

I will say Omar back at helm cant hurt our efforts in this area, only thing I feel remotely comfortable letting him near. Well thatand rounds 7-10 of draft.
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