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NFT: What kind of drinker are you?

BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/2/2018 1:49 pm
Are the I get home from work and have a few beers at night kind of person.

The occasional drinker ie. drinks at a party, or out to dinner etc., but not really interested in drinking every day type.

If you fall into another catagory, go ahead and feel free to put it in.

Me personally I am an occasional social drinker. I can go weeks without having a sip. I had a friend that stayed at my place in May and brought beer that we didn't finish and I just threw it out yesterday since it skunked in the cooler it was in.
Never ask a Navy man if he'll have another  
YAJ2112 : 7/2/2018 1:51 pm : link
Because it's nobody's business how many he's had already.
I don't drink any more...  
KeoweeFan : 7/2/2018 1:54 pm : link
..of course I don't drink any less either.

Sorry, the Devil made me do it.
heavy  
JayBinQueens : 7/2/2018 1:55 pm : link
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RE: Never ask a Navy man if he'll have another  
Stufftherun : 7/2/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14004624 YAJ2112 said:
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Because it's nobody's business how many he's had already.


Wrong! You're drinking too much your Excellency!
I’d love a beer every night  
UConn4523 : 7/2/2018 1:57 pm : link
but realisticially is 1 beer after I put the kid down, maybe a few times per week. The rest of my consumption revolves around work events or meeting up with friends occasionally. It also depends on time of year.
Most nights, one or two drinks.  
Heisenberg : 7/2/2018 1:59 pm : link
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nothing better than a cold brew  
giants#1 : 7/2/2018 2:01 pm : link
after a long day of work, particularly after yard work during the hot summer weekends.

But with 2 (young) kids, I rarely drink more than that as I can't handle a hangover and kids the next day!
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pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 2:04 pm : link
All I ask is three beers a piece for each of my co-workers...I think a man workin' outdoors feels more like a man if he can have a bottle of suds. That's only my opinion.
Heavy  
Saos1n : 7/2/2018 2:06 pm : link
Yeah... def heavy
Weekend drinker.  
Mad Mike : 7/2/2018 2:06 pm : link
Sun - Wed I don't drink if I'm home, drink moderately if I'm out. Thursday I'll probably have a beer if I'm home, and drink a bit more than moderately if I'm out. Fri and Sat typically have a fair bit to drink whether home or out.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2018 2:07 pm : link
Once a week - twice at most. Not much of a "one beer after work" kinda guy. Either I'm going to drink or I'm not. The in-between doesn't seem to work that well.
RE: RE: Never ask a Navy man if he'll have another  
YAJ2112 : 7/2/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14004634 Stufftherun said:
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Because it's nobody's business how many he's had already.



Wrong! You're drinking too much your Excellency!


My name's Fred and I'm a man, same as you.
3 or 4 beers a night.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2018 2:21 pm : link
After a long day of work followed by exercise, I like to unwind in the man cave with a few brews & watch sports.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2018 2:23 pm : link
Katy: Is this really what you're gonna do for the rest of your life?
Boon: What do you mean?
Katy:I mean hanging around with a bunch of animals getting drunk every weekend.
Boon: No! After I graduate, I'm gonna get drunk every night.
I like to drink a case of 30 beers as fast as I can  
mac attack : 7/2/2018 2:29 pm : link
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I try to limit it to weekends..  
Sean : 7/2/2018 2:31 pm : link
but with summer now, I’m much more likely to have a beer daily each night.
RE: I like to drink a case of 30 beers as fast as I can  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14004672 mac attack said:
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LOL, and then disappear for months (or was it longer?)
RE: I like to drink a case of 30 beers as fast as I can  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14004672 mac attack said:
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The man, the myth, the legend!
RE: RE: I like to drink a case of 30 beers as fast as I can  
mac attack : 7/2/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14004675 pjcas18 said:
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LOL, and then disappear for months (or was it longer?)


It was summer time so I wasnt checking BBI as often. So I simply just forgot I even started the thread. But it was great to see how it took off in my absence
Maybe a drink or two if we go out to dinner  
The Natural : 7/2/2018 2:39 pm : link
Not much of a drink at home guy. Maybe a beer or two watching a game.
RE: RE: RE: I like to drink a case of 30 beers as fast as I can  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14004681 mac attack said:
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LOL, and then disappear for months (or was it longer?)



It was summer time so I wasnt checking BBI as often. So I simply just forgot I even started the thread. But it was great to see how it took off in my absence


Some people thought you died, it was a great thread.
Moderate, BUT can turn into beast...  
x meadowlander : 7/2/2018 2:44 pm : link
...sometimes, one or two turns into 6 or 8.

I've taken breaks multiple times in my adult life. Not physically addicted, thank God.

Currently 3 months dry, not sure at this point if I'll go back. I miss it, but right now diet, exercise and zero booze have me down to a weight I haven't been at since Danny Kannel was QB. :D

Interesting thread  
giant24 : 7/2/2018 2:46 pm : link
I am an occasional drinker mainly when we go out to eat, go to a bar or bbq and have a couple beers. Never drink at home by myself or have a drink after dinner/work through the week. We did have a graduation party last weekend and I had a bunch of beers and a shot for my birthday.

It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.

Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.

If you going to do something do it all the way  
Boatie Warrant : 7/2/2018 2:47 pm : link
2-3 times a month on the weekend I like to drink. 2-3 beers is only a starter
RE: Interesting thread  
Boatie Warrant : 7/2/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14004691 giant24 said:
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I am an occasional drinker mainly when we go out to eat, go to a bar or bbq and have a couple beers. Never drink at home by myself or have a drink after dinner/work through the week. We did have a graduation party last weekend and I had a bunch of beers and a shot for my birthday.

It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.

Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.


Nah, Alcoholics go to meetings
Either I'm getting pretty drunk  
Giants in 07 : 7/2/2018 2:53 pm : link
or I'm not having a sip.

1 or 2 beers after work = Empty Calories
RE: Interesting thread  
x meadowlander : 7/2/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14004691 giant24 said:
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I am an occasional drinker mainly when we go out to eat, go to a bar or bbq and have a couple beers. Never drink at home by myself or have a drink after dinner/work through the week. We did have a graduation party last weekend and I had a bunch of beers and a shot for my birthday.

It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.

Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.
There are different types of alcoholics. It's not black and white.

But the definition "an addiction to the consumption of alcoholic liquor or the mental illness and compulsive behavior resulting from alcohol dependency" - has more to do with one's ability to stop than quantity or frequency.

Put it this way. It's like narcissism. If you've got it, you know it.

RE: Interesting thread  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/2/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14004691 giant24 said:
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I am an occasional drinker mainly when we go out to eat, go to a bar or bbq and have a couple beers. Never drink at home by myself or have a drink after dinner/work through the week. We did have a graduation party last weekend and I had a bunch of beers and a shot for my birthday.

It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.

Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.


Not necessarily. There are lots of ways to define an alcoholic, not necessarily by the amount or how often they drink but more around how they drink when they do. And the subsequent effects it has.
I only drink...  
MOOPS : 7/2/2018 2:56 pm : link
to support the Lime industry.
M-F  
Giants86 : 7/2/2018 2:59 pm : link
none. Weekends it could be anywhere from 3 beers each day to 3-4 scotches. Some weekends I only drink on Saturday nights.
I am conscious of it since my dad had a problem. In the summer, in the heat there is nothing better than quenching your thirst with a good beer.
To me, alcoholics drink because they have to.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2018 3:29 pm : link
I drink because I enjoy it & it allows me to put my air down, per se.
I barely drink at all  
Old Dirty : 7/2/2018 3:31 pm : link
Occasionally I'll buy a 6-pack and it'll last me a couple weeks. Sometimes I'll drink a couple beers during my Friday night golf league if my partner brings them. It all depends on the occasion. Some nights I sit out back with a nice glass of bourbon and a cigar. I could probably do that more often, but it wouldn't be such a treat for me when I do. You dig?
RE: I like to drink a case of 30 beers as fast as I can  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/2/2018 3:32 pm : link
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I barely drink at all  
Old Dirty : 7/2/2018 3:34 pm : link
Occasionally I'll buy a 6-pack and it'll last me a couple weeks. Sometimes I'll drink a couple beers during my Friday night golf league if my partner brings them. It all depends on the occasion. Some nights I sit out back with a nice glass of bourbon and a cigar. I could probably do that more often, but it wouldn't be such a treat for me when I do. You dig?
oh boy  
Old Dirty : 7/2/2018 3:35 pm : link
I must be drunk again
_________  
I am Ninja : 7/2/2018 3:44 pm : link
i can take it or leave it most days, but i am not a big fan of drinking in the daylight. makes me want to go to sleep, which usually isnt possible, and makes me groggy the rest of the day.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2018 3:48 pm : link
I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.

I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise forget it.
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Giants in 07 : 7/2/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14004767 arcarsenal said:
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I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.

I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.


Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend
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Named Later : 7/2/2018 4:00 pm : link
I'll try a microbrew at Happy Hour prices, but rarely over indulge at Restaurants. At home I'm not a big beer drinker -- a six pack may last a weekend or a month. I do like to pour Honey Jack Daniels over a big glass of crushed ice.....sort of like a snow cone for adults.
don't you guys drink any wine?  
gtt350 : 7/2/2018 4:10 pm : link
we have a bottle with dinner every night
RE: To me, alcoholics drink because they have to.  
Sean : 7/2/2018 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14004744 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I drink because I enjoy it & it allows me to put my air down, per se.


Agreed. I can’t relate to the all or nothing approach.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14004789 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14004767 arcarsenal said:


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I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.

I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.



Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend


Whenever I can remember to do that, I do - it definitely helps. A lot of it is usually just hydration/electrolytes. Eating a banana also usually helps.

I've always been headache-prone since I was younger, so sometimes drinking results in some pretty gnarly ones for me. Tylenol helps the morning after - but obviously it's not smart to take that when you're drinking.
I'm not going to answer this question directly  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 4:15 pm : link
but my advice to all you readers is two-fold.

First, when you get asked this question by the life insurance people, you always answer with rarely or pick the lowest option after never (assuming you do in fact drink alcohol).

B, this is kind of like the question at the Canada border "has anyone in your car ever been arrested" - you answer that "no", hard no. there should not even be a hesitation or second thought.

The alternative is you get jacked up life insurance premiums for no real good valid reason or at the border the choir boy in the car with you says yes "I was arrested for possession of alcohol by a minor 8 years ago", you get hauled aside and he has to fill out paperwork for an hour, pay $150 then they let him in anyway.

Some lies, really lies of omission, are to your benefit. Otherwise people extort you. And don't tell me drinking some of those medium or even slightly higher amounts has direct health impact or some of those minor crimes present a risk to Canada, I am pretty sure the premium increase/fees far outweighs their risk.
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giants#1 : 7/2/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14004789 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14004767 arcarsenal said:


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I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.

I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.



Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend


+1

Even better is to drink it before bed if you're not too drunk to remember. Pedialyte >>> Gatorade >>> water
Drinking water before heading to sleep  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2018 4:21 pm : link
always helps me. As I've said before on a different drinking thread, I never get hangovers. I don't know why. It's both a blessing & a curse. I can have 5 or 6 beers one night & be fine to go to the gym @ 5 AM for a 6 mile run.
RE: Drinking water before heading to sleep  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14004818 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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always helps me. As I've said before on a different drinking thread, I never get hangovers. I don't know why. It's both a blessing & a curse. I can have 5 or 6 beers one night & be fine to go to the gym @ 5 AM for a 6 mile run.


Bless your soul, man. I've always been hangover-prone. It sucks. But, I guess it's good because it keeps me from going overboard. I always have it in the back of my mind now and usually know when to cut myself off so I don't get to that point.
RE: Drinking water before heading to sleep  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14004818 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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always helps me. As I've said before on a different drinking thread, I never get hangovers. I don't know why. It's both a blessing & a curse. I can have 5 or 6 beers one night & be fine to go to the gym @ 5 AM for a 6 mile run.


How is not getting hangovers a curse?
Very sparingly.. maybe 25 days a year max  
DennyInDenville : 7/2/2018 4:36 pm : link
More like 15-20

Usually get pretty drunk though atleast half of those days
This team can certainly increase your intake  
gtt350 : 7/2/2018 5:13 pm : link
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for real....  
BCD : 7/2/2018 5:18 pm : link
those who say a couple at night means 5-6...those who say 4-5 will drink until drunk or there is no more left..those who say a quit will hide a few per night...me maybe 2-3 a night but during a Giants game depends losing 8 mad...winning happy 8....16 oz
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Route 9 : 7/2/2018 5:29 pm : link
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I drink every night, but you would drink too if you had my problem!  
Jimmy Brown : 7/2/2018 5:48 pm : link
I am an alchoholic!
I drink every night! But, you would too, if you had my problem!  
Jimmy Brown : 7/2/2018 5:50 pm : link
I’m an alcoholic!
See!  
Jimmy Brown : 7/2/2018 5:51 pm : link
Hic!
a cpl craft IPAs  
UESBLUE : 7/2/2018 6:08 pm : link
on the wknd with gf or buddies. We visit breweries too now and then.
RE: RE: Drinking water before heading to sleep  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/2/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14004829 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14004818 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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always helps me. As I've said before on a different drinking thread, I never get hangovers. I don't know why. It's both a blessing & a curse. I can have 5 or 6 beers one night & be fine to go to the gym @ 5 AM for a 6 mile run.



How is not getting hangovers a curse?


Might make some drink more often than they should.
Before I become sober  
bigbb : 7/2/2018 7:14 pm : link
It was real bad. I bought a handle of vodka every other day and a 12-pack daily and that was not including going out on the weekends I know I know that's why I became sober. 3 years in November
I drink this stuff  
Stan in LA : 7/2/2018 7:34 pm : link

Took 9 years to get on the mailing list, but it's GOOD stuff.
Not at all anymore...  
trueblueinpw : 7/2/2018 7:38 pm : link
Not even sure the last time I had a drink but it’s got to be close to 15 or even 20 years. Used to drink a lot, used to smoke, used to do all kinds of things. But I saw an uncle of mine pretty much turn into a lush and that didn’t look too good to me. So one day I just stopped and never really looked back. Same thing with smoking and other vices. Honestly don’t miss any of ‘em. I like being responsible and dependable and sober and awake.
I rarely drink  
Milton : 7/2/2018 7:38 pm : link
Other than on social occasions and even then it's either one beer or one glass of wine. If I buy a six pack, it lasts months in my refrigerator. I bought a bottle of tequila last year that is still half full.
p.s.--On the other hand, rarely a day goes by when I don't have at least a bong hit or two.
It makes me feel alright... - ( New Window )
Typically only on the weekends  
aimrocky : 7/2/2018 7:41 pm : link
Friday night through Sunday. MAYBE the Mrs. and I will open a bottle of wine mid week but it would have to be a rough rough day or because our dinner pairs well with it.
RE: don't you guys drink any wine?  
Steve in South Jersey : 7/2/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14004806 gtt350 said:
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we have a bottle with dinner every night


Usually go through a bottle of wine over a weekend. Have a beer if I have company in the house. Never more than 2 drinks in a day or 6 in a week ... usually less than 5 in a week.
non-drinker  
bc4life : 7/2/2018 8:14 pm : link
used to drink, got married and basically shifted to different lifestyle
RE: RE: RE: Drinking water before heading to sleep  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2018 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14004922 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 14004818 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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always helps me. As I've said before on a different drinking thread, I never get hangovers. I don't know why. It's both a blessing & a curse. I can have 5 or 6 beers one night & be fine to go to the gym @ 5 AM for a 6 mile run.



How is not getting hangovers a curse?



Might make some drink more often than they should.


Ding ding.

Btw, I just cracked open 2nd beer. Watching Yanks Braves. This feels like the 90s all over again.
I only drink on weekends  
Bill in UT : 7/2/2018 8:24 pm : link
But since I retired, every day is a weekend
A few beers here and there  
ChathamMark : 7/2/2018 9:23 pm : link
but only on days that end in a 'Y'. :)
RE: RE: Drinking water before heading to sleep  
Milton : 7/2/2018 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14004829 pjcas18 said:
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How is not getting hangovers a curse?
My father was an alcoholic who didn't suffer from hangovers. He died from liver cancer at the age of 64. Maybe he'd've lived a little longer if hangovers had cut into his drinking.
I guess that was kind on an insensitive question by me  
pjcas18 : 7/3/2018 1:38 am : link
my apologies.
Social drinker  
BestFeature : 7/3/2018 1:56 am : link
I mostly drink beer in settings where everyone is drinking beer. I don't really like the taste of it enough to ever drink it by myself to quench my thirst or take the edge off.
RE: I guess that was kind on an insensitive question by me  
Milton : 7/3/2018 2:00 am : link
In comment 14005284 pjcas18 said:
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my apologies.
No need to apologize, I didn't mean to come off as "sobering" as I did.
RE: I'm not going to answer this question directly  
BestFeature : 7/3/2018 2:15 am : link
In comment 14004813 pjcas18 said:
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but my advice to all you readers is two-fold.

First, when you get asked this question by the life insurance people, you always answer with rarely or pick the lowest option after never (assuming you do in fact drink alcohol).

B, this is kind of like the question at the Canada border "has anyone in your car ever been arrested" - you answer that "no", hard no. there should not even be a hesitation or second thought.

The alternative is you get jacked up life insurance premiums for no real good valid reason or at the border the choir boy in the car with you says yes "I was arrested for possession of alcohol by a minor 8 years ago", you get hauled aside and he has to fill out paperwork for an hour, pay $150 then they let him in anyway.

Some lies, really lies of omission, are to your benefit. Otherwise people extort you. And don't tell me drinking some of those medium or even slightly higher amounts has direct health impact or some of those minor crimes present a risk to Canada, I am pretty sure the premium increase/fees far outweighs their risk.


I was recently present while my friend was switching his car insurance. One of the questions the guy asked him was how many miles do you drive a year. He said 5,000 miles. For reference the guy lives in PA and commutes to work in Brooklyn almost every day. That's 80 miles each way. That's 6 weeks of driving for him...
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Capt. Don : 7/3/2018 8:11 am : link
In comment 14004789 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14004767 arcarsenal said:


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I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.

I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.



Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend


Amen. Pedialyte and a banana.
Alcoholic  
ij_reilly : 7/3/2018 9:26 am : link
If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic.
RE: Alcoholic  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/3/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 14005396 ij_reilly said:
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If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic.


That's a fair definition.
If I'm out to eat  
JonC : 7/3/2018 10:39 am : link
it is probably a Bloody Mary with brunch, a Guinness or an IPA with dinner, or occasionally sip a favorite Scotch while relaxing.
only when the Mets play bad  
jpkmets : 7/3/2018 2:17 pm : link
baseball
If I have a drink at home during the week,  
Brown Recluse : 7/3/2018 2:27 pm : link
it'll be a glass of wine with dinner.

If I go out to eat, I'll usually drink a beer.

I like bourbon too. But a bottle will last me a couple of months. If I have a glass, it'll be during the weekend when I don't have to get up really early the next day, haha.
I actually drink the most while  
Bill in UT : 7/3/2018 2:44 pm : link
I'm cooking. Any other cooks find that?
I never had a drink in my life  
dep026 : 7/3/2018 11:16 pm : link
And never will.

Almost 37 years strong.
Glass of wine with dinner  
family progtitioner : 7/4/2018 12:03 am : link
5 days a week. Its a healthy habit. 1-2 beers occasionally with golf, not so healthy.
1 JWB on the rocks at a business reception...  
manh george : 7/4/2018 1:25 am : link
or one glass of red wine. 1 1/2-2 ounces of single malt every night about an hour before bedtime.

I actually felt that there was a time in my youth (40 years ago) when I could have been a problem drinker, except that excess alcohol just gives me a headache and makes me sleepy . It doesn't really make me feel high.

Could have been a pothead, too except I'm allergic to pot. Have been since 1970, at least.
RE: I never had a drink in my life  
arcarsenal : 7/4/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 14006243 dep026 said:
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And never will.

Almost 37 years strong.


Wimp.
Alcohol use for social occasions is quite disturbing to me...  
baadbill : 7/4/2018 10:56 am : link
I have come to realize that most social gatherings - esp with couples - involve the presence of alcohol. What does it say about humans that we aren’t really very capable of interacting with each other without stimulants?

Drinking daily is an entirely different issue on a completely different level. I find both disturbing ... but one is about us as a species, the other about the indivudual in a more troubling sense.
RE: I never had a drink in my life  
Bill in UT : 7/4/2018 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14006243 dep026 said:
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And never will.

Almost 37 years strong.


Really? You must be the only guy on the board that Eli hasn't driven to drink, lol
RE: Alcohol use for social occasions is quite disturbing to me...  
Mr. Bungle : 7/4/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14006364 baadbill said:
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I have come to realize that most social gatherings - esp with couples - involve the presence of alcohol. What does it say about humans that we aren’t really very capable of interacting with each other without stimulants?

Pretty dumb take. The fact that people might drink beer or wine together sometimes doesn't say anything whatsoever about humans being not really very capable of interacting with each other without it.
RE: RE: Alcohol use for social occasions is quite disturbing to me...  
UConn4523 : 7/4/2018 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14006672 Mr. Bungle said:
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I have come to realize that most social gatherings - esp with couples - involve the presence of alcohol. What does it say about humans that we aren’t really very capable of interacting with each other without stimulants?


Pretty dumb take. The fact that people might drink beer or wine together sometimes doesn't say anything whatsoever about humans being not really very capable of interacting with each other without it.


x2, no idea what that’s all about. All of my friends in life, couples I’ve met with my wife, and adult family members are people I’ve hung out with both sober and over drinks. Having drinks with someone doesn’t mean you aren’t able to interact without stimulants, Just a very strange sweeping generalization that couldn’t be less accurate.
RE: Alcohol use for social occasions is quite disturbing to me...  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/4/2018 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14006364 baadbill said:
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I have come to realize that most social gatherings - esp with couples - involve the presence of alcohol. What does it say about humans that we aren’t really very capable of interacting with each other without stimulants?

Drinking daily is an entirely different issue on a completely different level. I find both disturbing ... but one is about us as a species, the other about the indivudual in a more troubling sense.


Alcohol isn’t a stimulant, it’s a depressant.
Haha calm down guys hes only speaking the truth..  
Aqua Giants : 7/5/2018 1:41 am : link
He does bring up a good point so dont be so quick to jump down his throat here.

You know how many people moan and groan when there is not alcohol present at event or gathering like the world will implode or killer ants will eat off your face?

"No booze, this is lame I am getting out of here".


Or any other boring one-liner joke about getting drunk.

Why is it always assumed people want to go out "for drinks"? When did I ever hint that I liked to drink? Then if you dont they give you this look like "huh, thats weird". Bizarre society.

My Uncle was just like that. Always was looking for beer and we had to make sure there was a "case of whatever for Clint" at the family BBQ or any time there was a holiday. Then whenever someone would confront him on it, he would tell you he wasn't an alcoholic, and then he was.

The guy couldn't function or whatever you want to call it without alcohol. We would be winding down and ready for bed when they'd visit but yep somehow needed to crack open a beer and "get a feel" at 2 am. Last year my neighbors were all drunk and fighting at a kids 2 year old's party and I look and there were beer bottles. How pathetic are you? You can't throw a toddlers party without thinking of booze?

But right hes "dumb" for making an observation and a truthful one. By my stories from family members, friends, coworkers and even strangers, people need alcohol as a way to communicate. The scary part? It's the norm.
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Aqua Giants : 7/5/2018 1:44 am : link
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Good. Not worth it.
He made a generalization and applied it to everyone  
UConn4523 : 7/5/2018 6:34 am : link
which is wrong and inaccurate. I know a couple alcoholics and they acted in that manner but the vast majority of adults I know socialize just fine without booze but still enjoy a drink from time to time. To be disturbed by that says more about you than me.
'People need alcohol to communicate'?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/5/2018 7:52 am : link
Who do you hang out with? Talk about a gross generalization. Also, you seem like a ton of fun. 'I wanna party with you cowboy.-Bill Murray.
Only bud lite and of course a  
Carl in CT : 7/5/2018 8:06 am : link
Few rippers.
What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 12:55 pm : link
The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
RE: What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
YAJ2112 : 7/5/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14006939 baadbill said:
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself


Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
RE: RE: What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/5/2018 1:03 pm : link
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself



Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.


Hard to rationalize with someone that thinks alcohol is a stimulant. He doesn't even understand what he's debating.
RE: RE: What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 1:05 pm : link
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself



Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.


Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
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YAJ2112 : 7/5/2018 1:06 pm : link
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself



Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.



Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”


Most social functions also include food. People like to drink alcohol with their food. Shocker.
When was the last wedding reception you went to  
Mr. Bungle : 7/5/2018 1:09 pm : link
that didn't have food? Why can't people just eat on their own before coming to the wedding or after the wedding is over? Pretty pathetic that people are incapable of really interacting with each other without food.

When was the last wedding reception you went to that didn't have music? Pretty pathetic that people are incapable of really interacting with each other without music playing.
RE: What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/5/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14006939 baadbill said:
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself


This is such a dumb take.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 1:12 pm : link
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself



Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.



Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”



Most social functions also include food. People like to drink alcohol with their food. Shocker.


You think most people select alcohol as their beverage of choice whenever they eat food? That’s a ridiculous statement.

People consume alcohol to get buzzed. Some may enjoy the taste, but it’s pretty undeniable that the alcohol (getting buzzed) is the integral reason. I’m just asking “why” that is such a widespread behavior for humans... you guys can get your knickers all wadded up all you want, it doesn’t change the behavior
RE: What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
YAJ2112 : 7/5/2018 1:16 pm : link
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself



Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.



Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”



Most social functions also include food. People like to drink alcohol with their food. Shocker.



You think most people select alcohol as their beverage of choice whenever they eat food? That’s a ridiculous statement.

People consume alcohol to get buzzed. Some may enjoy the taste, but it’s pretty undeniable that the alcohol (getting buzzed) is the integral reason. I’m just asking “why” that is such a widespread behavior for humans... you guys can get your knickers all wadded up all you want, it doesn’t change the behavior


Haha, yep that's exactly what I said. SMH.
You are like my alcoholic friend  
UConn4523 : 7/5/2018 1:17 pm : link
who became very holier than thou once he got help. He initially looked down on everyone who drank once he quit. He’s been sober 5 or 6 years now which is awesome, but he also eased up on the preaching, thankfully. He became unbearable to be around even when we weren’t drinking, that’s how annoying it is to hear that 1 beer is bad or disturbing.

You likely don’t care but just pointing out how it sounds.
The holier than thou non drinkers are the  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/5/2018 1:17 pm : link
absolute worst. 'How dare you unwind with a beer at dinner after a long day? You just want to get drunk!'

I dry beer on a daily basis. I like the taste. I also like to unloosen the collar, flip on some sports, have a beer, & just relax.

And of course people are going to drink at social events.
Looks like someone is completely ignorant  
Mr. Bungle : 7/5/2018 1:18 pm : link
of what dopamine is and how it plays into human social interaction...
RE: Looks like someone is completely ignorant  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14006967 Mr. Bungle said:
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of what dopamine is and how it plays into human social interaction...


Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
As I've gotten older, really slowed down on intake  
Jim in Forest Hills : 7/5/2018 1:27 pm : link
Beer as much as I like it fills me up and I hate feeling bloated. Typically only drink a beer if Im at a biergarten, watching the Giants or at a BBQ.

My wife makes drinks for us when we host so I enjoy those too occaisionally, we had Sangria yesterday.

Most days are dry.

I've also seen alcohol destroy careers during work events which has helped me back off of it. That would make an interesting thread too.
RE: As I've gotten older, really slowed down on intake  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/5/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14006979 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Beer as much as I like it fills me up and I hate feeling bloated. Typically only drink a beer if Im at a biergarten, watching the Giants or at a BBQ.

My wife makes drinks for us when we host so I enjoy those too occaisionally, we had Sangria yesterday.

Most days are dry.

I've also seen alcohol destroy careers during work events which has helped me back off of it. That would make an interesting thread too.


Never get too drunk in front of coworkers, be it at happy hour or holiday party. I've seen some people do some really stupid stuff at work functions.
And I’m not preaching (at least I’m not trying to preach)...  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 1:29 pm : link
i’m just making an observation about alcohol use in social settings and asking a question about human behavior and reliance upon getting buzzed in such settings

The defensiveness is pretty interesting but, hey, like I said, I don’t really give a rats ass about your use of alcohol, I’m just interested in the overall generic “why”
You are being pretty damn condescending  
UConn4523 : 7/5/2018 1:47 pm : link
for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.

I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
That comparison between food and alcohol is completely useless  
Aqua Giants : 7/5/2018 1:59 pm : link
You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.

Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"

Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.

Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.

Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.
but the mention of food was completely stupid  
Aqua Giants : 7/5/2018 2:00 pm : link
and that was from the guy originally calling people dumb for making some valid points
RE: You are being pretty damn condescending  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14006996 UConn4523 said:
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for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.

I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?


Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?

I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.
RE: RE: Looks like someone is completely ignorant  
Aqua Giants : 7/5/2018 2:09 pm : link
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of what dopamine is and how it plays into human social interaction...



Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?



He is really bouncing around all over the place...
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ron mexico : 7/5/2018 2:10 pm : link
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself



Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.



Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”


Beer is responsible for civilization, and this is the thanks it gets?!?!?


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baadbill : 7/5/2018 2:29 pm : link
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on

I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself



Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.



Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”



Beer is responsible for civilization, and this is the thanks it gets?!?!?
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haha... that’s a great find Ron!
RE: RE: Looks like someone is completely ignorant  
Mr. Bungle : 7/5/2018 2:43 pm : link
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of what dopamine is and how it plays into human social interaction...



Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?

Dopamine is a chemical signal that gets released in our neurological system as a "reward" for certain behaviors. Generally speaking, the reward takes the form of a pleasurable high -- and it's a natural one, since it originates in our own biochemistry. Our bodies/brains remember the reward and repeat the behaviors that (we think) lead to it in the future to get the reward again.

Consuming light or moderate amounts of alcohol can release dopamine. Eating food that you like can release dopamine. Listening to music you like can release dopamine. Exercise can release dopamine. Of course, good sex can release dopamine.

A dopamine high relaxes you, reduces anxieties, and makes you generally nice to be around. When you're in the company of others on a dopamine high, they tend to be nice to be around, too, because they (naturally) feel good.

So when people get together for leisure or recreation, it shouldn't be surprising that they're basically saying to each other, "Let's get together and do some (reasonable, safe, legal) things that have caused a dopamine release for us in the past." (It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone WILL BE happy at this social gathering, for many possible complex reasons. But it does justify the planning of the gathering.)

This doesn't mean that people should get together and get hammered all the time. Once the alcohol in the bloodstream overwhelms any dopamine release that may have occurred, the high isn't natural anymore, and a lot of bad behaviors tend to start happening.

It's similar to why people shouldn't really get together and gorge themselves on unhealthy food, either. It doesn't pose the same immediate dangers as drug and alcohol intoxication, but it's an abuse of the body's reward system, nonetheless.

"So let's go somewhere and eat some food together, drink some beer or wine together, and listen to some music together." There's no grand mystery behind why that seems to be a popular thing for adults to do together in leisure time.
RE: That comparison between food and alcohol is completely useless  
Mr. Bungle : 7/5/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14007016 Aqua Giants said:
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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.

You need food to survive a wedding reception?

Maybe read comparisons in their context?
RE: RE: RE: Looks like someone is completely ignorant  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 2:55 pm : link
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of what dopamine is and how it plays into human social interaction...



Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?


Dopamine is a chemical signal that gets released in our neurological system as a "reward" for certain behaviors. Generally speaking, the reward takes the form of a pleasurable high -- and it's a natural one, since it originates in our own biochemistry. Our bodies/brains remember the reward and repeat the behaviors that (we think) lead to it in the future to get the reward again.

Consuming light or moderate amounts of alcohol can release dopamine. Eating food that you like can release dopamine. Listening to music you like can release dopamine. Exercise can release dopamine. Of course, good sex can release dopamine.

A dopamine high relaxes you, reduces anxieties, and makes you generally nice to be around. When you're in the company of others on a dopamine high, they tend to be nice to be around, too, because they (naturally) feel good.

So when people get together for leisure or recreation, it shouldn't be surprising that they're basically saying to each other, "Let's get together and do some (reasonable, safe, legal) things that have caused a dopamine release for us in the past." (It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone WILL BE happy at this social gathering, for many possible complex reasons. But it does justify the planning of the gathering.)

This doesn't mean that people should get together and get hammered all the time. Once the alcohol in the bloodstream overwhelms any dopamine release that may have occurred, the high isn't natural anymore, and a lot of bad behaviors tend to start happening.

It's similar to why people shouldn't really get together and gorge themselves on unhealthy food, either. It doesn't pose the same immediate dangers as drug and alcohol intoxication, but it's an abuse of the body's reward system, nonetheless.

"So let's go somewhere and eat some food together, drink some beer or wine together, and listen to some music together." There's no grand mystery behind why that seems to be a popular thing for adults to do together in leisure time.


That’s really quite interesting. Is dopamine connected to addictition? I recall a surgeon general report years ago that quantified the amount of “pleasure chemicals released in the brain” by various drugs ... and pointing out that crack cocaine was #1 by a very wide margin - enough that trying it just one time could result in addiction ... I assume the “pleasure center of the brain” he was talking about was dopamine?

And I further assume that just because the pleasure center of the brain gets triggered doesn’t mean it is “good” or “bad” (I.e. it’s no reason for us to run out and try crack cocaine)... so, I’m not sure what to make of the fact that humans turn to getting buzzed as frequently as we do (yet we don’t all go trying crack cocaine) ... so, why one behavior (alcohol) and not the other? It can’t just be legality ...
Dopamine is a very complex and not yet completely understood  
Mr. Bungle : 7/5/2018 3:06 pm : link
phenomenon. Yes, it is tied into addiction. But not just addiction to drugs and alcohol. It can play a big role in eating disorders and compulsive sexual behavior and many other kinds of problems.
Dopamine also plays a big role  
Mr. Bungle : 7/5/2018 3:09 pm : link
in pathological gambling. I forgot to mention that one before I clicked Submit.
RE: What was the last “dry” wedding reception you attended?  
Bill in UT : 7/5/2018 3:22 pm : link
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I guess you don't have any friends in Utah :)
RE: That comparison between food and alcohol is completely useless  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/5/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14007016 Aqua Giants said:
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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.

Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"

Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.

Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.

Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.


I don't have a problem with people who refrain from drinking or smoking weed or whatever. I just don't them to speak on high & tell me how I'm in sin for drinking. It's annoying as hell.
RE: RE: That comparison between food and alcohol is completely useless  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 4:01 pm : link
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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.

Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"

Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.

Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.

Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.



I don't have a problem with people who refrain from drinking or smoking weed or whatever. I just don't them to speak on high & tell me how I'm in sin for drinking. It's annoying as hell.


Why would a stranger give a shit what you do? Moreover, why do you care one iota what they say?
RE: RE: You are being pretty damn condescending  
UConn4523 : 7/5/2018 4:29 pm : link
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for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.

I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?



Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?

I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.


I already said in my previous post hat you likely don’t care about what I have to say. Clearly you aren’t reading what’s right in front of you.

And you do give a shit, which is why you keep on arguing about it.
RE: RE: RE: You are being pretty damn condescending  
baadbill : 7/5/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14007168 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14007021 baadbill said:


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In comment 14006996 UConn4523 said:


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for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.

I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?



Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?

I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.



I already said in my previous post hat you likely don’t care about what I have to say. Clearly you aren’t reading what’s right in front of you.

And you do give a shit, which is why you keep on arguing about it.


Yea, I actually do care very much how much you drink. Who are you, btw?
RE: RE: That comparison between food and alcohol is completely useless  
Aqua Giants : 7/8/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14007076 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14007016 Aqua Giants said:


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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.


You need food to survive a wedding reception?

Maybe read comparisons in their context?


Mr. B.....

Without reaching or anything, it is a fact 100% of the people in attendance would need to eat (have their daily dinner meal). The beer part (AT THE WEDDING) is completely different because its a choice. The guy just made a questioning comment as to why alcohol has to be present at any interaction or minor celebration. You drink alcohol to get drunk, let loose or whatever other stupid feeling people get. The normalization of drinking in public is what he was questioning. I think he called some people out on it and they don't like it.

It makes sense for you to get fed as a wedding guest since you are allotting your spent during dinner or lunch time. Again, getting drunk like a moron is just a choice.

Most of these casual drinkers" or people who need to unwind"
(People who cannot cope with reality or just hate their life or more deeper problems than that) do drink more than you realize. You hear it EVERY single year on how much % is spent on alcohol every 4th of July and it is polarizing. You can't be serious If you don't believe people use 4th of July, Memorial Day, even a birthday or any little excuse to get hammered because they truly care about the holiday. Not only that it's glorified and people make 24/7 jokes about how much of a drunk they are.

You know this and I know this is a common scary theme.

But if you question the normalization and worrying about alcohol abuse you are considered dumb? Sorry things just need to be said and put where they need to be put.
You are twisting the guys words  
UConn4523 : 7/8/2018 1:30 pm : link
he said, and I quote, that it’s “disturbing” if adults socialize over drinks. I don’t have a problem at all with people questioning when and where drinks are appropriate, but finding it disturbing that someone may share a beer with a friend is fucking ridiculous.
RE: You are twisting the guys words  
baadbill : 7/8/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14008437 UConn4523 said:
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he said, and I quote, that it’s “disturbing” if adults socialize over drinks. I don’t have a problem at all with people questioning when and where drinks are appropriate, but finding it disturbing that someone may share a beer with a friend is fucking ridiculous.


I said nothing about "sharing a beer" ... I said

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most social gatherings - esp with couples - involve the presence of alcohol. What does it say about humans that we aren’t really very capable of interacting with each other without stimulants?


And I clarified that several times to make it clear I am talking about homo sapiens, not individuals. Again, I don't give a rat's ass what you do. Why would I? I am interested in the genetics of the human species that cause us to gravitate toward external stimulants in order to function.

But keep on chirping. You're good at it.


Having a beer with a neighbor  
UConn4523 : 7/8/2018 2:39 pm : link
having a beer at a wedding
having a beer at a party
having a beer with a couple at dinner

These are all social gatherings. Hopefully that chirp makes sense.

RE: Having a beer with a neighbor  
baadbill : 7/8/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14008472 UConn4523 said:
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having a beer at a wedding
having a beer at a party
having a beer with a couple at dinner

These are all social gatherings. Hopefully that chirp makes sense.


I made it very clear I was interested in the history of homo sapiens usage of alcohol. All you've done is chirp chirp (I suspect that's probably the limit of your analytical capability on the subject)
LOL this is still going on?  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/8/2018 2:44 pm : link
This is just weird at this point
RE: LOL this is still going on?  
baadbill : 7/8/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14008476 BigBlue4You09 said:
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This is just weird at this point


Yea, I don't like assholes twisting my words. People can disagree with me all they want (they usually do) - but I won't tolerate people coming on to me with a fucking agenda and put words in my mouth. That's just being a prick for the sake of being a prick.
RE: RE: LOL this is still going on?  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/8/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14008481 baadbill said:
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In comment 14008476 BigBlue4You09 said:


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This is just weird at this point



Yea, I don't like assholes twisting my words. People can disagree with me all they want (they usually do) - but I won't tolerate people coming on to me with a fucking agenda and put words in my mouth. That's just being a prick for the sake of being a prick.


Well you did make some brash generalizations before asking questions. But that was so long ago I’ve kind of lost where we are at now. Some people like to drink when they socialize. Does it really matter why?
I just find it funny that groups of people  
UConn4523 : 7/8/2018 2:58 pm : link
having drinks is considered disturbing. If you can’t see why that comment seems incredibly condescending than maybe it’s you who lacks analytical skills.

If that’s twisting your words than I apologize.
RE: I just find it funny that groups of people  
baadbill : 7/8/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14008488 UConn4523 said:
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having drinks is considered disturbing. If you can’t see why that comment seems incredibly condescending than maybe it’s you who lacks analytical skills.

If that’s twisting your words than I apologize.


You are missing my point entirely. What I find disturbing is that homo sapiens developed some type of genetic need for stimulants, presumably as a means of survival. In other words, what was it about our cave man ancestors that made survival dependent upon getting high? And why does that survive to this day?

Most people (me included) enjoys getting high or buzzed (or what have you). However, I've found it disturbing to me personally - as a homo sapiens - as a species trying to survive in the world - that my ancestors left humans with some type of need to get high. I wouldn't think it would have to be that way. That is merely how we have evolved. And I'm questioning why.

But go ahead and try to twist the narrative change to: This guy has it out for people who drink, which has not been one single portion of anything I've said in this thread.
Ah ok now I remember  
BigBlue4You09 : 7/8/2018 3:05 pm : link
And you called alcohol a stimulant, which it’s not (it’s a depressant). But that’s neither here nor there.
Just read thru this entire thread and  
Jimmy Googs : 7/8/2018 3:35 pm : link
boy, could I use a drink...
RE: Just read thru this entire thread and  
arcarsenal : 7/8/2018 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14008506 Jimmy Googs said:
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boy, could I use a drink...


Same here.
Decided to do a google search: why do homo sapiens use alcohol?  
baadbill : 7/8/2018 10:34 pm : link
Found a very interesting article (linked below)... in a nutshell: homo sapiens have been imbibing alcohol for over 9,000 years, in virtual every society known in history. The origins of our reliance upon alcohol is thought to be because

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Alcohol may afford psychic pleasures and spiritual insight, but that’s not enough to explain its universality in the ancient world. People drank the stuff for the same reason primates ate fermented fruit: because it was good for them. Yeasts produce ethanol as a form of chemical warfare—it’s toxic to other microbes that compete with them for sugar inside a fruit. That antimicrobial effect benefits the drinker. It explains why beer, wine, and other fermented beverages were, at least until the rise of modern sanitation, often healthier to drink than water.


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[Alcohol] is much more tasty than warm water filled with microorganisms.


Apparently, homo sapiens relied very heavily upon alcohol as a safe way to drink water... it provided protection against unhealthy micro-organisms in natural water, and it tasted better (and caused a buzz too).

Our body's ability to process alcohol
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may be a critical gene mutation that occurred in the last common ancestor of African apes and us; geneticists recently dated the mutation to at least 10 million years ago. This change in the ADH4 gene created an enzyme that made it possible to digest ethanol up to 40 times faster.


Over time, homo sapiens began using alcohol for reasons beyond being a safe way to drink water. For the buzz. Which has led to problems over time.

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The modern world is awash in booze, and ever since the perfection of distillation in the Middle Ages, we’ve consumed a lot of it in concentrated form. Worldwide, people age 15 and over average about a drink a day—or more like two if you include only drinkers, because about half of us have never touched a drop. In the United States, alcohol abuse kills 88,000 Americans and costs $249 billion a year, according to estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Millions of years ago, when food was harder to come by, the attraction to ethanol and the brain chemistry that lit up to reward the discovery of fermented fruit may have been a critical survival advantage for our primate ancestors. Today those genetic and neurochemical traits may be at the root of compulsive drinking, says Robert Dudley, whose father was an alcoholic.

Throughout history, ethanol’s intoxicating power has made it an object of concern...


This article addresses a large part of what I was trying to discuss... an explanation for why humans have their very obvious genetic need to consume alcohol... However, the article still stops short of adequately explaining alcohol's role in social interaction... for a species universally called "highly social", I find it very strange that humans apparently require mind altering substances to soften the edges of social anxiety which appears to be a basic human trait.
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LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 8:14 am : link
humans don't "require" mind altering substances or have a genetic need to consume them.

That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.

Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.

Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.
RE: LOL..  
baadbill : 7/9/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 14008717 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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humans don't "require" mind altering substances or have a genetic need to consume them.

That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.

Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.

Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.


I think you are pretty clearly wrong. Alcohol use dates beach 9000 years across independent civilizations... and continues to this day ... in fact what I read says it’s usage is highest ever seen... and it is genetic ... and provided survival benefits (clean drinking water) ... article indicates it also loosened our ancestors up from their anxieties in social settings

all of this is pretty much what I guessed ... there was no way alcohol could be such a huge part of how the human species socializes without there being a pretty strong genetic predisposition
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 11:03 am : link
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there was no way alcohol could be such a huge part of how the human species socializes without there being a pretty strong genetic predisposition


So anything the species does as a huge part of socializing is a genetic predisposition?

I guess humans are predisposed to athletic competitions, singing, dancing, and making music too? Extrapolating out, I guess since humans have produced art since their origin that it is a genetic predisposition too?

When humans gather, they often interact. They don't just sit silently. So they gather for meals, for celebrations, or simply for friendship. Many things, including alcohol, are used in these social settings.

Not sure how one makes the leap to things being genetically needed because they are done in social settings. All cultures have competition, music, dance and art.
A genetic predisposition towards addiction of all kinds  
j_rud : 7/9/2018 11:03 am : link
(Alcohol, drugs, sex, food, materialism, etc) has been widely hypothesized but never directly proven, let alone a genetic predisposition in the entire population to consume alcohol. A much bigger factor is the presence of trauma, but that's a completely different debate. You sound like a morally superior member of a temperance movement.
RE: RE: LOL..  
arcarsenal : 7/9/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 14008858 baadbill said:
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In comment 14008717 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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humans don't "require" mind altering substances or have a genetic need to consume them.

That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.

Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.

Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.



I think you are pretty clearly wrong. Alcohol use dates beach 9000 years across independent civilizations... and continues to this day ... in fact what I read says it’s usage is highest ever seen... and it is genetic ... and provided survival benefits (clean drinking water) ... article indicates it also loosened our ancestors up from their anxieties in social settings

all of this is pretty much what I guessed ... there was no way alcohol could be such a huge part of how the human species socializes without there being a pretty strong genetic predisposition


Have you come across actual scientific proof of this genetic predisposition thing you keep pushing or is it a conclusion you've drawn for yourself and keep stating as fact?

Meditation makes me feel good, reduces my anxiety and stress, and makes me feel good overall. Does that mean I have a genetic predisposition to meditating?

What if I find a certain type of tea (i.e.. Chamomile) relaxes me and enjoy consuming it on a regular basis? Genetic predisposition?

Your angle here is sort of ridiculous.
Some of you just don't listen. What else is new?  
Aqua Giants : 7/9/2018 11:23 am : link
Then these will be the same people yelling on Facebook about how addiction is a disease and all that shit.

Sobriety is the only way to go through life.
arc..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 11:26 am : link
it is a pretty bizarre thread.

Guy comes in with a wonderment on why humans have drank since their origin and instead of accepting it as a cultural practice, instead makes it into a genetic need.

Have no clue where the parallels to having a safe way to ingest fluid fuse into being a genetic need, but I guess it is there.

Next up - a discussion on how breathing in smoke to get high is a genetic need too since people have done it since early times and humans need to breathe to live!
RE: Some of you just don't listen. What else is new?  
UConn4523 : 7/9/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 14008894 Aqua Giants said:
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Then these will be the same people yelling on Facebook about how addiction is a disease and all that shit.

Sobriety is the only way to go through life.


Haha, well your true colors sure are showing. Glad you finally came out and said it. If you aren’t sober you are doing it wrong....alrighty big shot.
You're mistaking cultural fabric for genetics  
j_rud : 7/9/2018 11:31 am : link
For whatever reason you choose not to engage in this particular cultural pastime. You've apparently experienced some friction, real or perceived, due to this choice. My guess would be a little of both. And that can be difficult. Feeling marginalized for not participating in something we see the majority doing can be uncomfortable. So the brain looks for a way to cope. That's all completely natural. But for some reason you've chosen to reject the far more rational idea, i.e.- "some people are just assholes completely independent of chemical consumption", and chosen to pathologize the entire behavior. This allows you to claim some misguided sense of superiority, be it genetic, intellectual, moral, etc.

There's nothing wrong with social use of alcohol. There's nothing wrong with not socially using alcohol. It's not a statement or indication of anything about our genetic code.
I hope no one allows these people  
j_rud : 7/9/2018 11:37 am : link
to color their perception of "sobriety", especially in the context of recovery or a 12 step fellowship. Proselytizing is not a part of that and is actually discouraged. For obvious reasons. Not only is it ridiculously annoying, but it can steer someone in need away from seeking help.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/9/2018 11:39 am : link
The way this thread is going, I'm going to need a 6 pack tonight.
Hmm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 11:40 am : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11:39 am : link : reply
The way this thread is going, I'm going to need a 6 pack tonight.


I wonder if you have to drink that in a social setting to fulfill the genetic need for alcohol??
RE: ...  
j_rud : 7/9/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 14008916 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The way this thread is going, I'm going to need a 6 pack tonight.


You would need that regardless. You're a slave to the double helix my friend...
RE: ...  
UConn4523 : 7/9/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 14008916 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The way this thread is going, I'm going to need a 6 pack tonight.


It really is nuts. I’m open to anyone’s views on any topic but once you make bold accusations or state something as fact that clearly isn’t, I’m going to call you out on it.
RE: Some of you just don't listen. What else is new?  
Mr. Bungle : 7/9/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14008894 Aqua Giants said:
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Then these will be the same people yelling on Facebook about how addiction is a disease and all that shit.

Sobriety is the only way to go through life.

What was/is your previous/other BBI handle?
He's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 12:17 pm : link
a Simo
He's had...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 12:18 pm : link
countless other handles
RE: RE: Some of you just don't listen. What else is new?  
giants#1 : 7/9/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14008943 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14008894 Aqua Giants said:


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Then these will be the same people yelling on Facebook about how addiction is a disease and all that shit.

Sobriety is the only way to go through life.


What was/is your previous/other BBI handle?


FMiC posited he's another simo dupe.
I guess I should've refreshed the thread  
giants#1 : 7/9/2018 12:22 pm : link
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This took a weird, weird turn.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/9/2018 1:41 pm : link
It started out as a frivolous thread & has devolved into 'Sobriety is the only way to go through life', which reeks of something someone who had problems with substance abuse would now say.

Also, I never thought we'd be debating our genetic code when this thread started.

Well done BBI. Well done.
First, read the link I provided ... it's really quite interesting  
baadbill : 7/9/2018 1:53 pm : link
Alcohol usage dates back at least 9,000 years... consistently since then... and something that consistent wasn't cave men just deciding to get a buzz

But one thing I want to make clear ... I still drink occasionally and I have nothing against alcohol consumption... and I consumed alcohol the majority of my adult life... but I also struggle with some social anxiety (speech making; yet zero problem "performing" in front of crowds whether that be sports or jury trials)... and I am socially awkward in certain settings... as a result I have been interested in the study of human social interactions... I've come to learn that humans have a fairly high level of anxiety in certain social settings and it's interesting to read that article I cited that suggests alcohol was likely used by our ancestors (and humans today) to lessen anxiety in social settings

I go to the local bar and shoot pool with my wife once a month and usually consume 3-5 beers... I just find it interesting why the homo sapiens species found itself relying upon artificial mind altering substances more than any other species ... and it certainly was never pre-ordained that we would need mind altering substances... nor that such substances would even impact our brains (nor that we would find it fun - as we all do) ... we developed this way for a reason ... I'm just one who likes to try to understand these things ... it doesn't cause me to drink any more or less ... but I do like to try to understand my behaviors from the context of what is in our genetic history (and if homo sapiens has acted in a certain way for 9,000 years, I'd call that genetic... if you have a different word for it, I'd love to hear it)
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 2:15 pm : link
now you're playing the role of anthropologist??

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I just find it interesting why the homo sapiens species found itself relying upon artificial mind altering substances more than any other species


Umm, since homo sapiens can actually create substances, that's why they use them more than other species - it isn't that difficult of a concept.

Animals have partaken in mind-altering plants and fermented things, but they are reliant on nature to produce it for them.

You also keep saying a variation of this:
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Alcohol usage dates back at least 9,000 years... consistently since then... and something that consistent wasn't cave men just deciding to get a buzz


Dancing, music, chanting/singing also dates back that long. And it wasn't done just to gyrate, I'm assuming, so does that make those activities also inherent to genetics?

Dude, you are trying to posit that you understand genetics, when with each successive post it is clear you don't.

What's the point?
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arcarsenal : 7/9/2018 2:17 pm : link
You could probably consider caffeine "mind-altering" too, technically - a lot of people have at least one cup of coffee each day because they feel like they need it to be alert and take care of their daily tasks. Do you think people have genetic predispositions to coffee?

I think you're looking too hard for a answer that's very simple and on the surface.
Tea dates..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/9/2018 2:27 pm : link
back to at least 2367 BC.

Genetic, for sure
So the guy whose family has allegations against it  
bhill410 : 7/9/2018 7:49 pm : link
Of pretty gross fraud is telling people to be sober? Thats ironic
Looked some more briefly this morning ... turns out there is  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 9:48 am : link
a book ("The Drunken Monkey") written by a professor of biology at the University of California, Berkeley that explains the evolutionary/genetic basis for human's current widespread consumption of alcohol.


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I'll read the book and report back to you all ... since I know  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 9:49 am : link
you are so fascinated to understand why humans, as a species, are so reliant upon alcohol consumption /s
haha  
UConn4523 : 7/10/2018 9:53 am : link
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And yet another author:  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 9:58 am : link
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Mixing booze and food is such a good survival strategy that the only monkeys who fucked enough to pass on their genes were the ones who drank. And yes, there's hard scientific evidence to support that claim.


Absolutely genetics.

I'm not going to read two books... I do have a life (although nobody here would ever know it)... I'm just not sure which of the two books to read... I'll be sure to keep you all up to date /s
RE: And yet another author:  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 9:59 am : link
oops .... linky
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Love..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2018 10:06 am : link
that comment - "Absolutely genetics".

Your grasp of science really isn't a strong suit.

But I give you props - you keep trying.

Maybe genetic too?
I like pizza as much as I like  
UConn4523 : 7/10/2018 10:11 am : link
a good beer. Definitely genetics.
alcohol consumption was a genetic adaption 10 million years ago  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 10:11 am : link
And actually, humans ability to digest the ethanol (alcohol) in rotting fruit was due to a GENETIC adaption (evolutionary adaptation) from 10 million years ago.

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This makes sense because our arboreal ancestors 40 million years ago were eating leaves (and fruits). So being able to metabolise the chemicals in leaves would have been a really big advantage," says Carrigan. The exposure to ethanol would have been minimal for these ancestors as they had access to unfermented fruits, he adds.

Millions of years later, when ADH4 encountered ethanol in high concentrations in fermenting fruit, it adapted to digesting it really well. "It went from an enzyme that metabolised ethanol incredibly slow to one that metabolized ethanol 40-fold more efficiently," says Carrigan. This was due to a single tweak in the enzyme. This change in ADH4 that occurred 10 million years ago enabled the last common ancestor of humans, chimpanzees and gorillas to break down ethanol.


Ethanol (alcohol) is toxic to most animals except those that have the genetic ADH4 adaptation enabling them to process ethanol and thus enabling them to consume rotting fruit. Science has established that our predecessors obtained that genetic adaptation 10 million years ago.

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Natural selection would favour this special ability because it allows these animals to access calories that would normally be toxic to other animals. Those organisms would avoid alcohol because it can impair judgement and is a chemical toxin," says Gochman

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psychological factors ...  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 10:24 am : link
The article completely ignores the evolutionary reasons behind our genetic predisposition to be drawn by the taste and smell of alchohol.

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The goal of using drugs is formed in the same way as any other goal. It is determined largely by, first, the value that the person places on drugs and, second, the person’s expected chances of being able to get the desired benefits from their use. This view can be applied to explain the reasons why people decide to drink. The decision to drink alcohol will depend on the value that the person attributes to drinking alcohol (i.e., to elevate positive mood, alleviate negative mood and anxiety, or increase confidence) and the person’s expectation that these outcomes will actually happen.


I've not yet seen any expl not as interested in the involved in consuming alcohol, but for those that are

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Sigh...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2018 10:28 am : link
now you're confusing genetic mutations with having a genetic need.

Humans have had thousands of genetic adaptations to survive.

You're really obsessed with trying to say that humans have a genetic disposition to alcohol, even though there are numerous examples of social gatherings where alcohol isn't present, there are societies who don't use alcohol and that addiction to alcohol is still a fairly low percentage.

You'd think based on the discussion that alcohol is necessary for people to socially function much like breathing is essential to life.

You can quote authors, but science isn't on your side, even if you keep thinking it is.
So, when our predeccsors lived in trees, they tended to consume  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 10:34 am : link
rotting fruit on the ground which contained lots of calories. But the rotting fruit was naturally fermenting, producing ethanol which is toxic. Our predecessors evolved a liver that can deal with toxins (process them quickly to get them out of our body). This adaptation occurred 10 million years ago - and gave us a leg up in survival since we could digest rotting fruits that remained toxic to the majority of other animals.

Humans evolved while eating and drinking a lot of toxins in our food, so to adapt to this we evolved a liver that can deal with toxins.

And on and on the science goes  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 10:39 am : link
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Humans Are Hard-Wired To Drink...

There are endless arguments for why people drink, the simplest being that alcohol is tasty and it makes us feel good.

But those reasons do not address the ultimate explanation for why our brains evolved to like alcohol in the first place...

Our bodies have preserved the biological urge to drink from when alcohol sources were few and far between, even though we live in an age where the supply is unlimited.

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We also..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2018 10:40 am : link
developed immunity to diseases.

Confusion with what is genetic disposition is rampant here.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/10/2018 10:43 am : link
This thread is going to make me go on a bender.
Whoa ... this is new ... Humans ‘evolving gene’ that may stop us drink  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 10:46 am : link
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Researchers believe people have begun evolving so they find it so unpleasant it could stop our species from drinking in the future


An ongoing change in the ADH4 gene - the 10 million year old gene that changed our liver to process alcohol more quickly, is apparently continuing to evolve such that it now appears to be making alcohol consumption unpleasant to more and more people.

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Your DESIRE to consume alchohol is genetic  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 10:47 am : link
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Your desire to consume alcohol, as well as your body’s ability to break down the ethanol that makes you tipsy, dates back about 10 million years, researchers have discovered. The new finding not only helps shed light on the behavior of our primate ancestors, but also might explain why alcoholism—or even the craving for a single drink—exists in the first place.

“The fact that they could put together all this evolutionary history was really fascinating,” says Brenda Benefit, an anthropologist at New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, who was not involved in the study.

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The change in direction here..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2018 10:49 am : link
is staggering.

Here's what you said above:
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I've come to learn that humans have a fairly high level of anxiety in certain social settings and it's interesting to read that article I cited that suggests alcohol was likely used by our ancestors (and humans today) to lessen anxiety in social settings


Everything you've posted since indicates alcohol is used for survival of the species, with repeated citings of articles talking about genetic evolution.

So now we've evolved to help us adapt socially??

LOL. I'm done now.
Fatman says  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 11:01 am : link
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obsessed with trying to say that humans have a genetic disposition to alcohol


And within 30 minutes I easily show that, yes, there is a genetic disposition to alcohol. Fatman, like so many people, are very good at moving the goal posts when he is shown to be wrong. But that's his gig on BBI. Entertaining. He often makes me laugh.
in all fairness  
UConn4523 : 7/10/2018 11:25 am : link
you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing Fatman of, moving goal posts. You started by making a sweeping accusation that adults need alcohol to socialize and that its disturbing. Then it changed to genetic predisposition. Now its evolution. You also called alcohol a stimulant and kept doing so even after corrected.

I'm not longer interested in arguing with you, but you are 100% twisting this thread every possible way to avoid admitting that you really don't know what you are talking about.
Literally everything that composes who we are as a species  
bhill410 : 7/10/2018 12:30 pm : link
Was the result of generic mutations over the years. That is an entirely different discussion than your hypothesis that humans are predisposed to drink. In fact the are pretty brazenly different things. Capacity v need. I am not sure of your point but this seems like a semi messy introduction to an entire branch of evolutionary science that you are trying to shoehorn into a neurological argument.
I'm ready for a drink too...  
baadbill : 7/10/2018 12:36 pm : link
What I said was:

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I have come to realize that most social gatherings - esp with couples - involve the presence of alcohol. What does it say about humans that we aren’t really very capable of interacting with each other without stimulants?


And I subsequently googled the question ... and learned there is indeed an evolutionary genetic basis that drives our desire to drink. One that started as a survival method (enabling our predecessors to consume rotting fruit and quickly process the ethanol that was toxic to other species) - and the articles say the buzz from consuming ethanol (the toxic byproduct) itself became useful in reducing anxieties and encouraging social interaction.
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x meadowlander : 7/10/2018 12:48 pm : link
Alcohol most certainly IS a stimulant  
baadbill : 7/11/2018 9:56 am : link
It is both a stimulant and a depressant according to the US Government medical site (see link).

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Alcohol produces both stimulant and sedating effects in humans. These two seemingly opposite effects are central to the understanding of much of the literature on alcohol use and misuse...

Increased heart rate and aggression seem strongly associated with stimulation ... There is good agreement that alcohol's ability to induce striatal dopamine release is the mechanism underlying alcohol's stimulatory effects;


There are many articles under the Google search that discuss alcohol's effects as a stimulant (at the same type it has depressant affects, especially as the night wears on, making us sleepy)
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