Are the I get home from work and have a few beers at night kind of person.
The occasional drinker ie. drinks at a party, or out to dinner etc., but not really interested in drinking every day type.
If you fall into another catagory, go ahead and feel free to put it in.
Me personally I am an occasional social drinker. I can go weeks without having a sip. I had a friend that stayed at my place in May and brought beer that we didn't finish and I just threw it out yesterday since it skunked in the cooler it was in.
Sorry, the Devil made me do it.
Wrong! You're drinking too much your Excellency!
But with 2 (young) kids, I rarely drink more than that as I can't handle a hangover and kids the next day!
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Wrong! You're drinking too much your Excellency!
My name's Fred and I'm a man, same as you.
Boon: What do you mean?
Katy:I mean hanging around with a bunch of animals getting drunk every weekend.
Boon: No! After I graduate, I'm gonna get drunk every night.
LOL, and then disappear for months (or was it longer?)
The man, the myth, the legend!
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LOL, and then disappear for months (or was it longer?)
It was summer time so I wasnt checking BBI as often. So I simply just forgot I even started the thread. But it was great to see how it took off in my absence
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LOL, and then disappear for months (or was it longer?)
It was summer time so I wasnt checking BBI as often. So I simply just forgot I even started the thread. But it was great to see how it took off in my absence
Some people thought you died, it was a great thread.
I've taken breaks multiple times in my adult life. Not physically addicted, thank God.
Currently 3 months dry, not sure at this point if I'll go back. I miss it, but right now diet, exercise and zero booze have me down to a weight I haven't been at since Danny Kannel was QB. :D
It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.
Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.
It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.
Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.
Nah, Alcoholics go to meetings
1 or 2 beers after work = Empty Calories
It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.
Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.
But the definition "an addiction to the consumption of alcoholic liquor or the mental illness and compulsive behavior resulting from alcohol dependency" - has more to do with one's ability to stop than quantity or frequency.
Put it this way. It's like narcissism. If you've got it, you know it.
It amazes me people who can just pound drinks all day. We were on a cruise recently and the same group of 20-40 year olds would be at the bar by the pool at 10am and drink all day until dinner, then be out there at night and start all over the next morning.
Question about those that say you have a few drinks every night. Is that considered an alcoholic? Not judging just curious.
Not necessarily. There are lots of ways to define an alcoholic, not necessarily by the amount or how often they drink but more around how they drink when they do. And the subsequent effects it has.
I am conscious of it since my dad had a problem. In the summer, in the heat there is nothing better than quenching your thirst with a good beer.
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I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise forget it.
I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.
Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend
Agreed. I can’t relate to the all or nothing approach.
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I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.
I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.
Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend
Whenever I can remember to do that, I do - it definitely helps. A lot of it is usually just hydration/electrolytes. Eating a banana also usually helps.
I've always been headache-prone since I was younger, so sometimes drinking results in some pretty gnarly ones for me. Tylenol helps the morning after - but obviously it's not smart to take that when you're drinking.
First, when you get asked this question by the life insurance people, you always answer with rarely or pick the lowest option after never (assuming you do in fact drink alcohol).
B, this is kind of like the question at the Canada border "has anyone in your car ever been arrested" - you answer that "no", hard no. there should not even be a hesitation or second thought.
The alternative is you get jacked up life insurance premiums for no real good valid reason or at the border the choir boy in the car with you says yes "I was arrested for possession of alcohol by a minor 8 years ago", you get hauled aside and he has to fill out paperwork for an hour, pay $150 then they let him in anyway.
Some lies, really lies of omission, are to your benefit. Otherwise people extort you. And don't tell me drinking some of those medium or even slightly higher amounts has direct health impact or some of those minor crimes present a risk to Canada, I am pretty sure the premium increase/fees far outweighs their risk.
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I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.
I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.
Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend
+1
Even better is to drink it before bed if you're not too drunk to remember. Pedialyte >>> Gatorade >>> water
Bless your soul, man. I've always been hangover-prone. It sucks. But, I guess it's good because it keeps me from going overboard. I always have it in the back of my mind now and usually know when to cut myself off so I don't get to that point.
How is not getting hangovers a curse?
Usually get pretty drunk though atleast half of those days
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always helps me. As I've said before on a different drinking thread, I never get hangovers. I don't know why. It's both a blessing & a curse. I can have 5 or 6 beers one night & be fine to go to the gym @ 5 AM for a 6 mile run.
How is not getting hangovers a curse?
Might make some drink more often than they should.
Took 9 years to get on the mailing list, but it's GOOD stuff.
p.s.--On the other hand, rarely a day goes by when I don't have at least a bong hit or two.
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Usually go through a bottle of wine over a weekend. Have a beer if I have company in the house. Never more than 2 drinks in a day or 6 in a week ... usually less than 5 in a week.
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always helps me. As I've said before on a different drinking thread, I never get hangovers. I don't know why. It's both a blessing & a curse. I can have 5 or 6 beers one night & be fine to go to the gym @ 5 AM for a 6 mile run.
How is not getting hangovers a curse?
Might make some drink more often than they should.
Ding ding.
Btw, I just cracked open 2nd beer. Watching Yanks Braves. This feels like the 90s all over again.
How is not getting hangovers a curse?
First, when you get asked this question by the life insurance people, you always answer with rarely or pick the lowest option after never (assuming you do in fact drink alcohol).
B, this is kind of like the question at the Canada border "has anyone in your car ever been arrested" - you answer that "no", hard no. there should not even be a hesitation or second thought.
The alternative is you get jacked up life insurance premiums for no real good valid reason or at the border the choir boy in the car with you says yes "I was arrested for possession of alcohol by a minor 8 years ago", you get hauled aside and he has to fill out paperwork for an hour, pay $150 then they let him in anyway.
Some lies, really lies of omission, are to your benefit. Otherwise people extort you. And don't tell me drinking some of those medium or even slightly higher amounts has direct health impact or some of those minor crimes present a risk to Canada, I am pretty sure the premium increase/fees far outweighs their risk.
I was recently present while my friend was switching his car insurance. One of the questions the guy asked him was how many miles do you drive a year. He said 5,000 miles. For reference the guy lives in PA and commutes to work in Brooklyn almost every day. That's 80 miles each way. That's 6 weeks of driving for him...
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I will say this - if I'm going to go hard, I can only do it if I have a super light day the next day. An age 33 hangover is brutal compared to the "hangovers" I got when I was 23.
I'm usually pretty good about staying hydrated, not mixing a bunch of different things, etc. But, you know... drunk people do stupid things. So, hangovers still happen. Trying to work after a long night of drinking is just a major "no" at this point in life. So, it's got to be a Friday or Saturday for the most part, otherwise
forget it.
Drink Pedialyte the day after. It is a godsend
Amen. Pedialyte and a banana.
That's a fair definition.
If I go out to eat, I'll usually drink a beer.
I like bourbon too. But a bottle will last me a couple of months. If I have a glass, it'll be during the weekend when I don't have to get up really early the next day, haha.
Almost 37 years strong.
I actually felt that there was a time in my youth (40 years ago) when I could have been a problem drinker, except that excess alcohol just gives me a headache and makes me sleepy . It doesn't really make me feel high.
Could have been a pothead, too except I'm allergic to pot. Have been since 1970, at least.
Almost 37 years strong.
Wimp.
Drinking daily is an entirely different issue on a completely different level. I find both disturbing ... but one is about us as a species, the other about the indivudual in a more troubling sense.
Almost 37 years strong.
Really? You must be the only guy on the board that Eli hasn't driven to drink, lol
Pretty dumb take. The fact that people might drink beer or wine together sometimes doesn't say anything whatsoever about humans being not really very capable of interacting with each other without it.
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I have come to realize that most social gatherings - esp with couples - involve the presence of alcohol. What does it say about humans that we aren’t really very capable of interacting with each other without stimulants?
Pretty dumb take. The fact that people might drink beer or wine together sometimes doesn't say anything whatsoever about humans being not really very capable of interacting with each other without it.
x2, no idea what that’s all about. All of my friends in life, couples I’ve met with my wife, and adult family members are people I’ve hung out with both sober and over drinks. Having drinks with someone doesn’t mean you aren’t able to interact without stimulants, Just a very strange sweeping generalization that couldn’t be less accurate.
Drinking daily is an entirely different issue on a completely different level. I find both disturbing ... but one is about us as a species, the other about the indivudual in a more troubling sense.
Alcohol isn’t a stimulant, it’s a depressant.
You know how many people moan and groan when there is not alcohol present at event or gathering like the world will implode or killer ants will eat off your face?
"No booze, this is lame I am getting out of here".
Or any other boring one-liner joke about getting drunk.
Why is it always assumed people want to go out "for drinks"? When did I ever hint that I liked to drink? Then if you dont they give you this look like "huh, thats weird". Bizarre society.
My Uncle was just like that. Always was looking for beer and we had to make sure there was a "case of whatever for Clint" at the family BBQ or any time there was a holiday. Then whenever someone would confront him on it, he would tell you he wasn't an alcoholic, and then he was.
The guy couldn't function or whatever you want to call it without alcohol. We would be winding down and ready for bed when they'd visit but yep somehow needed to crack open a beer and "get a feel" at 2 am. Last year my neighbors were all drunk and fighting at a kids 2 year old's party and I look and there were beer bottles. How pathetic are you? You can't throw a toddlers party without thinking of booze?
But right hes "dumb" for making an observation and a truthful one. By my stories from family members, friends, coworkers and even strangers, people need alcohol as a way to communicate. The scary part? It's the norm.
Good. Not worth it.
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Hard to rationalize with someone that thinks alcohol is a stimulant. He doesn't even understand what he's debating.
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Most social functions also include food. People like to drink alcohol with their food. Shocker.
When was the last wedding reception you went to that didn't have music? Pretty pathetic that people are incapable of really interacting with each other without music playing.
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
This is such a dumb take.
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Most social functions also include food. People like to drink alcohol with their food. Shocker.
You think most people select alcohol as their beverage of choice whenever they eat food? That’s a ridiculous statement.
People consume alcohol to get buzzed. Some may enjoy the taste, but it’s pretty undeniable that the alcohol (getting buzzed) is the integral reason. I’m just asking “why” that is such a widespread behavior for humans... you guys can get your knickers all wadded up all you want, it doesn’t change the behavior
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Most social functions also include food. People like to drink alcohol with their food. Shocker.
You think most people select alcohol as their beverage of choice whenever they eat food? That’s a ridiculous statement.
People consume alcohol to get buzzed. Some may enjoy the taste, but it’s pretty undeniable that the alcohol (getting buzzed) is the integral reason. I’m just asking “why” that is such a widespread behavior for humans... you guys can get your knickers all wadded up all you want, it doesn’t change the behavior
Haha, yep that's exactly what I said. SMH.
You likely don’t care but just pointing out how it sounds.
I dry beer on a daily basis. I like the taste. I also like to unloosen the collar, flip on some sports, have a beer, & just relax.
And of course people are going to drink at social events.
Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
My wife makes drinks for us when we host so I enjoy those too occaisionally, we had Sangria yesterday.
Most days are dry.
I've also seen alcohol destroy careers during work events which has helped me back off of it. That would make an interesting thread too.
My wife makes drinks for us when we host so I enjoy those too occaisionally, we had Sangria yesterday.
Most days are dry.
I've also seen alcohol destroy careers during work events which has helped me back off of it. That would make an interesting thread too.
Never get too drunk in front of coworkers, be it at happy hour or holiday party. I've seen some people do some really stupid stuff at work functions.
The defensiveness is pretty interesting but, hey, like I said, I don’t really give a rats ass about your use of alcohol, I’m just interested in the overall generic “why”
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"
Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.
Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.
Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?
I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.
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Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
He is really bouncing around all over the place...
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Beer is responsible for civilization, and this is the thanks it gets?!?!?
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Beer is responsible for civilization, and this is the thanks it gets?!?!?
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haha... that’s a great find Ron!
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Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
Dopamine is a chemical signal that gets released in our neurological system as a "reward" for certain behaviors. Generally speaking, the reward takes the form of a pleasurable high -- and it's a natural one, since it originates in our own biochemistry. Our bodies/brains remember the reward and repeat the behaviors that (we think) lead to it in the future to get the reward again.
Consuming light or moderate amounts of alcohol can release dopamine. Eating food that you like can release dopamine. Listening to music you like can release dopamine. Exercise can release dopamine. Of course, good sex can release dopamine.
A dopamine high relaxes you, reduces anxieties, and makes you generally nice to be around. When you're in the company of others on a dopamine high, they tend to be nice to be around, too, because they (naturally) feel good.
So when people get together for leisure or recreation, it shouldn't be surprising that they're basically saying to each other, "Let's get together and do some (reasonable, safe, legal) things that have caused a dopamine release for us in the past." (It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone WILL BE happy at this social gathering, for many possible complex reasons. But it does justify the planning of the gathering.)
This doesn't mean that people should get together and get hammered all the time. Once the alcohol in the bloodstream overwhelms any dopamine release that may have occurred, the high isn't natural anymore, and a lot of bad behaviors tend to start happening.
It's similar to why people shouldn't really get together and gorge themselves on unhealthy food, either. It doesn't pose the same immediate dangers as drug and alcohol intoxication, but it's an abuse of the body's reward system, nonetheless.
"So let's go somewhere and eat some food together, drink some beer or wine together, and listen to some music together." There's no grand mystery behind why that seems to be a popular thing for adults to do together in leisure time.
You need food to survive a wedding reception?
Maybe read comparisons in their context?
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of what dopamine is and how it plays into human social interaction...
Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
Dopamine is a chemical signal that gets released in our neurological system as a "reward" for certain behaviors. Generally speaking, the reward takes the form of a pleasurable high -- and it's a natural one, since it originates in our own biochemistry. Our bodies/brains remember the reward and repeat the behaviors that (we think) lead to it in the future to get the reward again.
Consuming light or moderate amounts of alcohol can release dopamine. Eating food that you like can release dopamine. Listening to music you like can release dopamine. Exercise can release dopamine. Of course, good sex can release dopamine.
A dopamine high relaxes you, reduces anxieties, and makes you generally nice to be around. When you're in the company of others on a dopamine high, they tend to be nice to be around, too, because they (naturally) feel good.
So when people get together for leisure or recreation, it shouldn't be surprising that they're basically saying to each other, "Let's get together and do some (reasonable, safe, legal) things that have caused a dopamine release for us in the past." (It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone WILL BE happy at this social gathering, for many possible complex reasons. But it does justify the planning of the gathering.)
This doesn't mean that people should get together and get hammered all the time. Once the alcohol in the bloodstream overwhelms any dopamine release that may have occurred, the high isn't natural anymore, and a lot of bad behaviors tend to start happening.
It's similar to why people shouldn't really get together and gorge themselves on unhealthy food, either. It doesn't pose the same immediate dangers as drug and alcohol intoxication, but it's an abuse of the body's reward system, nonetheless.
"So let's go somewhere and eat some food together, drink some beer or wine together, and listen to some music together." There's no grand mystery behind why that seems to be a popular thing for adults to do together in leisure time.
That’s really quite interesting. Is dopamine connected to addictition? I recall a surgeon general report years ago that quantified the amount of “pleasure chemicals released in the brain” by various drugs ... and pointing out that crack cocaine was #1 by a very wide margin - enough that trying it just one time could result in addiction ... I assume the “pleasure center of the brain” he was talking about was dopamine?
And I further assume that just because the pleasure center of the brain gets triggered doesn’t mean it is “good” or “bad” (I.e. it’s no reason for us to run out and try crack cocaine)... so, I’m not sure what to make of the fact that humans turn to getting buzzed as frequently as we do (yet we don’t all go trying crack cocaine) ... so, why one behavior (alcohol) and not the other? It can’t just be legality ...
I guess you don't have any friends in Utah :)
Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"
Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.
Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.
Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.
I don't have a problem with people who refrain from drinking or smoking weed or whatever. I just don't them to speak on high & tell me how I'm in sin for drinking. It's annoying as hell.
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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.
Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"
Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.
Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.
Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.
I don't have a problem with people who refrain from drinking or smoking weed or whatever. I just don't them to speak on high & tell me how I'm in sin for drinking. It's annoying as hell.
Why would a stranger give a shit what you do? Moreover, why do you care one iota what they say?
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for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?
I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.
I already said in my previous post hat you likely don’t care about what I have to say. Clearly you aren’t reading what’s right in front of you.
And you do give a shit, which is why you keep on arguing about it.
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for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?
I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.
I already said in my previous post hat you likely don’t care about what I have to say. Clearly you aren’t reading what’s right in front of you.
And you do give a shit, which is why you keep on arguing about it.
Yea, I actually do care very much how much you drink. Who are you, btw?
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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.
You need food to survive a wedding reception?
Maybe read comparisons in their context?
Mr. B.....
Without reaching or anything, it is a fact 100% of the people in attendance would need to eat (have their daily dinner meal). The beer part (AT THE WEDDING) is completely different because its a choice. The guy just made a questioning comment as to why alcohol has to be present at any interaction or minor celebration. You drink alcohol to get drunk, let loose or whatever other stupid feeling people get. The normalization of drinking in public is what he was questioning. I think he called some people out on it and they don't like it.
It makes sense for you to get fed as a wedding guest since you are allotting your spent during dinner or lunch time. Again, getting drunk like a moron is just a choice.
Most of these casual drinkers" or people who need to unwind"
(People who cannot cope with reality or just hate their life or more deeper problems than that) do drink more than you realize. You hear it EVERY single year on how much % is spent on alcohol every 4th of July and it is polarizing. You can't be serious If you don't believe people use 4th of July, Memorial Day, even a birthday or any little excuse to get hammered because they truly care about the holiday. Not only that it's glorified and people make 24/7 jokes about how much of a drunk they are.
You know this and I know this is a common scary theme.
But if you question the normalization and worrying about alcohol abuse you are considered dumb? Sorry things just need to be said and put where they need to be put.
I said nothing about "sharing a beer" ... I said
And I clarified that several times to make it clear I am talking about homo sapiens, not individuals. Again, I don't give a rat's ass what you do. Why would I? I am interested in the genetics of the human species that cause us to gravitate toward external stimulants in order to function.
But keep on chirping. You're good at it.
having a beer at a party
having a beer with a couple at dinner
These are all social gatherings. Hopefully that chirp makes sense.
having a beer at a party
having a beer with a couple at dinner
These are all social gatherings. Hopefully that chirp makes sense.
I made it very clear I was interested in the history of homo sapiens usage of alcohol. All you've done is chirp chirp (I suspect that's probably the limit of your analytical capability on the subject)
Yea, I don't like assholes twisting my words. People can disagree with me all they want (they usually do) - but I won't tolerate people coming on to me with a fucking agenda and put words in my mouth. That's just being a prick for the sake of being a prick.
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This is just weird at this point
Yea, I don't like assholes twisting my words. People can disagree with me all they want (they usually do) - but I won't tolerate people coming on to me with a fucking agenda and put words in my mouth. That's just being a prick for the sake of being a prick.
Well you did make some brash generalizations before asking questions. But that was so long ago I’ve kind of lost where we are at now. Some people like to drink when they socialize. Does it really matter why?
If that’s twisting your words than I apologize.
If that’s twisting your words than I apologize.
You are missing my point entirely. What I find disturbing is that homo sapiens developed some type of genetic need for stimulants, presumably as a means of survival. In other words, what was it about our cave man ancestors that made survival dependent upon getting high? And why does that survive to this day?
Most people (me included) enjoys getting high or buzzed (or what have you). However, I've found it disturbing to me personally - as a homo sapiens - as a species trying to survive in the world - that my ancestors left humans with some type of need to get high. I wouldn't think it would have to be that way. That is merely how we have evolved. And I'm questioning why.
But go ahead and try to twist the narrative change to: This guy has it out for people who drink, which has not been one single portion of anything I've said in this thread.
Same here.
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Apparently, homo sapiens relied very heavily upon alcohol as a safe way to drink water... it provided protection against unhealthy micro-organisms in natural water, and it tasted better (and caused a buzz too).
Our body's ability to process alcohol
Over time, homo sapiens began using alcohol for reasons beyond being a safe way to drink water. For the buzz. Which has led to problems over time.
Millions of years ago, when food was harder to come by, the attraction to ethanol and the brain chemistry that lit up to reward the discovery of fermented fruit may have been a critical survival advantage for our primate ancestors. Today those genetic and neurochemical traits may be at the root of compulsive drinking, says Robert Dudley, whose father was an alcoholic.
Throughout history, ethanol’s intoxicating power has made it an object of concern...
This article addresses a large part of what I was trying to discuss... an explanation for why humans have their very obvious genetic need to consume alcohol... However, the article still stops short of adequately explaining alcohol's role in social interaction... for a species universally called "highly social", I find it very strange that humans apparently require mind altering substances to soften the edges of social anxiety which appears to be a basic human trait.
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That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.
Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.
Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.
That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.
Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.
Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.
I think you are pretty clearly wrong. Alcohol use dates beach 9000 years across independent civilizations... and continues to this day ... in fact what I read says it’s usage is highest ever seen... and it is genetic ... and provided survival benefits (clean drinking water) ... article indicates it also loosened our ancestors up from their anxieties in social settings
all of this is pretty much what I guessed ... there was no way alcohol could be such a huge part of how the human species socializes without there being a pretty strong genetic predisposition
So anything the species does as a huge part of socializing is a genetic predisposition?
I guess humans are predisposed to athletic competitions, singing, dancing, and making music too? Extrapolating out, I guess since humans have produced art since their origin that it is a genetic predisposition too?
When humans gather, they often interact. They don't just sit silently. So they gather for meals, for celebrations, or simply for friendship. Many things, including alcohol, are used in these social settings.
Not sure how one makes the leap to things being genetically needed because they are done in social settings. All cultures have competition, music, dance and art.
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humans don't "require" mind altering substances or have a genetic need to consume them.
That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.
Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.
Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.
I think you are pretty clearly wrong. Alcohol use dates beach 9000 years across independent civilizations... and continues to this day ... in fact what I read says it’s usage is highest ever seen... and it is genetic ... and provided survival benefits (clean drinking water) ... article indicates it also loosened our ancestors up from their anxieties in social settings
all of this is pretty much what I guessed ... there was no way alcohol could be such a huge part of how the human species socializes without there being a pretty strong genetic predisposition
Have you come across actual scientific proof of this genetic predisposition thing you keep pushing or is it a conclusion you've drawn for yourself and keep stating as fact?
Meditation makes me feel good, reduces my anxiety and stress, and makes me feel good overall. Does that mean I have a genetic predisposition to meditating?
What if I find a certain type of tea (i.e.. Chamomile) relaxes me and enjoy consuming it on a regular basis? Genetic predisposition?
Your angle here is sort of ridiculous.
Sobriety is the only way to go through life.
Guy comes in with a wonderment on why humans have drank since their origin and instead of accepting it as a cultural practice, instead makes it into a genetic need.
Have no clue where the parallels to having a safe way to ingest fluid fuse into being a genetic need, but I guess it is there.
Next up - a discussion on how breathing in smoke to get high is a genetic need too since people have done it since early times and humans need to breathe to live!
Sobriety is the only way to go through life.
Haha, well your true colors sure are showing. Glad you finally came out and said it. If you aren’t sober you are doing it wrong....alrighty big shot.
There's nothing wrong with social use of alcohol. There's nothing wrong with not socially using alcohol. It's not a statement or indication of anything about our genetic code.
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The way this thread is going, I'm going to need a 6 pack tonight.
I wonder if you have to drink that in a social setting to fulfill the genetic need for alcohol??
You would need that regardless. You're a slave to the double helix my friend...
It really is nuts. I’m open to anyone’s views on any topic but once you make bold accusations or state something as fact that clearly isn’t, I’m going to call you out on it.
Sobriety is the only way to go through life.
What was/is your previous/other BBI handle?
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Then these will be the same people yelling on Facebook about how addiction is a disease and all that shit.
Sobriety is the only way to go through life.
What was/is your previous/other BBI handle?
FMiC posited he's another simo dupe.
Also, I never thought we'd be debating our genetic code when this thread started.
Well done BBI. Well done.
But one thing I want to make clear ... I still drink occasionally and I have nothing against alcohol consumption... and I consumed alcohol the majority of my adult life... but I also struggle with some social anxiety (speech making; yet zero problem "performing" in front of crowds whether that be sports or jury trials)... and I am socially awkward in certain settings... as a result I have been interested in the study of human social interactions... I've come to learn that humans have a fairly high level of anxiety in certain social settings and it's interesting to read that article I cited that suggests alcohol was likely used by our ancestors (and humans today) to lessen anxiety in social settings
I go to the local bar and shoot pool with my wife once a month and usually consume 3-5 beers... I just find it interesting why the homo sapiens species found itself relying upon artificial mind altering substances more than any other species ... and it certainly was never pre-ordained that we would need mind altering substances... nor that such substances would even impact our brains (nor that we would find it fun - as we all do) ... we developed this way for a reason ... I'm just one who likes to try to understand these things ... it doesn't cause me to drink any more or less ... but I do like to try to understand my behaviors from the context of what is in our genetic history (and if homo sapiens has acted in a certain way for 9,000 years, I'd call that genetic... if you have a different word for it, I'd love to hear it)
Umm, since homo sapiens can actually create substances, that's why they use them more than other species - it isn't that difficult of a concept.
Animals have partaken in mind-altering plants and fermented things, but they are reliant on nature to produce it for them.
You also keep saying a variation of this:
Dancing, music, chanting/singing also dates back that long. And it wasn't done just to gyrate, I'm assuming, so does that make those activities also inherent to genetics?
Dude, you are trying to posit that you understand genetics, when with each successive post it is clear you don't.
What's the point?
I think you're looking too hard for a answer that's very simple and on the surface.
Genetic, for sure
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Mixing booze and food is such a good survival strategy that the only monkeys who fucked enough to pass on their genes were the ones who drank. And yes, there's hard scientific evidence to support that claim.
Absolutely genetics.
I'm not going to read two books... I do have a life (although nobody here would ever know it)... I'm just not sure which of the two books to read... I'll be sure to keep you all up to date /s
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Your grasp of science really isn't a strong suit.
But I give you props - you keep trying.
Maybe genetic too?
Millions of years later, when ADH4 encountered ethanol in high concentrations in fermenting fruit, it adapted to digesting it really well. "It went from an enzyme that metabolised ethanol incredibly slow to one that metabolized ethanol 40-fold more efficiently," says Carrigan. This was due to a single tweak in the enzyme. This change in ADH4 that occurred 10 million years ago enabled the last common ancestor of humans, chimpanzees and gorillas to break down ethanol.
Ethanol (alcohol) is toxic to most animals except those that have the genetic ADH4 adaptation enabling them to process ethanol and thus enabling them to consume rotting fruit. Science has established that our predecessors obtained that genetic adaptation 10 million years ago.
Natural selection would favour this special ability because it allows these animals to access calories that would normally be toxic to other animals. Those organisms would avoid alcohol because it can impair judgement and is a chemical toxin," says Gochman
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I've not yet seen any expl not as interested in the involved in consuming alcohol, but for those that are
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Humans have had thousands of genetic adaptations to survive.
You're really obsessed with trying to say that humans have a genetic disposition to alcohol, even though there are numerous examples of social gatherings where alcohol isn't present, there are societies who don't use alcohol and that addiction to alcohol is still a fairly low percentage.
You'd think based on the discussion that alcohol is necessary for people to socially function much like breathing is essential to life.
You can quote authors, but science isn't on your side, even if you keep thinking it is.
Humans evolved while eating and drinking a lot of toxins in our food, so to adapt to this we evolved a liver that can deal with toxins.
There are endless arguments for why people drink, the simplest being that alcohol is tasty and it makes us feel good.
But those reasons do not address the ultimate explanation for why our brains evolved to like alcohol in the first place...
Our bodies have preserved the biological urge to drink from when alcohol sources were few and far between, even though we live in an age where the supply is unlimited.
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Confusion with what is genetic disposition is rampant here.
Researchers believe people have begun evolving so they find it so unpleasant it could stop our species from drinking in the future
An ongoing change in the ADH4 gene - the 10 million year old gene that changed our liver to process alcohol more quickly, is apparently continuing to evolve such that it now appears to be making alcohol consumption unpleasant to more and more people.
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“The fact that they could put together all this evolutionary history was really fascinating,” says Brenda Benefit, an anthropologist at New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, who was not involved in the study.
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Here's what you said above:
Everything you've posted since indicates alcohol is used for survival of the species, with repeated citings of articles talking about genetic evolution.
So now we've evolved to help us adapt socially??
LOL. I'm done now.
And within 30 minutes I easily show that, yes, there is a genetic disposition to alcohol. Fatman, like so many people, are very good at moving the goal posts when he is shown to be wrong. But that's his gig on BBI. Entertaining. He often makes me laugh.
I'm not longer interested in arguing with you, but you are 100% twisting this thread every possible way to avoid admitting that you really don't know what you are talking about.
And I subsequently googled the question ... and learned there is indeed an evolutionary genetic basis that drives our desire to drink. One that started as a survival method (enabling our predecessors to consume rotting fruit and quickly process the ethanol that was toxic to other species) - and the articles say the buzz from consuming ethanol (the toxic byproduct) itself became useful in reducing anxieties and encouraging social interaction.
Alcohol produces both stimulant and sedating effects in humans. These two seemingly opposite effects are central to the understanding of much of the literature on alcohol use and misuse...
Increased heart rate and aggression seem strongly associated with stimulation ... There is good agreement that alcohol's ability to induce striatal dopamine release is the mechanism underlying alcohol's stimulatory effects;
There are many articles under the Google search that discuss alcohol's effects as a stimulant (at the same type it has depressant affects, especially as the night wears on, making us sleepy)
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