Are the I get home from work and have a few beers at night kind of person.
The occasional drinker ie. drinks at a party, or out to dinner etc., but not really interested in drinking every day type.
If you fall into another catagory, go ahead and feel free to put it in.
Me personally I am an occasional social drinker. I can go weeks without having a sip. I had a friend that stayed at my place in May and brought beer that we didn't finish and I just threw it out yesterday since it skunked in the cooler it was in.
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Most social functions also include food. People like to drink alcohol with their food. Shocker.
You think most people select alcohol as their beverage of choice whenever they eat food? That’s a ridiculous statement.
People consume alcohol to get buzzed. Some may enjoy the taste, but it’s pretty undeniable that the alcohol (getting buzzed) is the integral reason. I’m just asking “why” that is such a widespread behavior for humans... you guys can get your knickers all wadded up all you want, it doesn’t change the behavior
Haha, yep that's exactly what I said. SMH.
You likely don’t care but just pointing out how it sounds.
I dry beer on a daily basis. I like the taste. I also like to unloosen the collar, flip on some sports, have a beer, & just relax.
And of course people are going to drink at social events.
Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
My wife makes drinks for us when we host so I enjoy those too occaisionally, we had Sangria yesterday.
Most days are dry.
I've also seen alcohol destroy careers during work events which has helped me back off of it. That would make an interesting thread too.
My wife makes drinks for us when we host so I enjoy those too occaisionally, we had Sangria yesterday.
Most days are dry.
I've also seen alcohol destroy careers during work events which has helped me back off of it. That would make an interesting thread too.
Never get too drunk in front of coworkers, be it at happy hour or holiday party. I've seen some people do some really stupid stuff at work functions.
The defensiveness is pretty interesting but, hey, like I said, I don’t really give a rats ass about your use of alcohol, I’m just interested in the overall generic “why”
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"
Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.
Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.
Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?
I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.
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Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
He is really bouncing around all over the place...
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Beer is responsible for civilization, and this is the thanks it gets?!?!?
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The last “dry” super bowl party... the list goes on and on and on
I’m not surprised by the reaction... denial ... I stopped drinking 10-15 years ago (just decided I didn’t need to be buzzed) ... and it has really opened my eyes to just how big a part of social interactions alcohol plays ... but your denials, as a group, are a pretty interesting reaction all by itself
Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed socially. Of course it's going to be a part of many social interactions.
Sort of misses my point about why social functions so widely include alcohol (why humans include alcohol in their social settings) ... all you’ve said is “we get buzzed because we were meant to get buzzed”
Beer is responsible for civilization, and this is the thanks it gets?!?!?
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haha... that’s a great find Ron!
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Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
Dopamine is a chemical signal that gets released in our neurological system as a "reward" for certain behaviors. Generally speaking, the reward takes the form of a pleasurable high -- and it's a natural one, since it originates in our own biochemistry. Our bodies/brains remember the reward and repeat the behaviors that (we think) lead to it in the future to get the reward again.
Consuming light or moderate amounts of alcohol can release dopamine. Eating food that you like can release dopamine. Listening to music you like can release dopamine. Exercise can release dopamine. Of course, good sex can release dopamine.
A dopamine high relaxes you, reduces anxieties, and makes you generally nice to be around. When you're in the company of others on a dopamine high, they tend to be nice to be around, too, because they (naturally) feel good.
So when people get together for leisure or recreation, it shouldn't be surprising that they're basically saying to each other, "Let's get together and do some (reasonable, safe, legal) things that have caused a dopamine release for us in the past." (It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone WILL BE happy at this social gathering, for many possible complex reasons. But it does justify the planning of the gathering.)
This doesn't mean that people should get together and get hammered all the time. Once the alcohol in the bloodstream overwhelms any dopamine release that may have occurred, the high isn't natural anymore, and a lot of bad behaviors tend to start happening.
It's similar to why people shouldn't really get together and gorge themselves on unhealthy food, either. It doesn't pose the same immediate dangers as drug and alcohol intoxication, but it's an abuse of the body's reward system, nonetheless.
"So let's go somewhere and eat some food together, drink some beer or wine together, and listen to some music together." There's no grand mystery behind why that seems to be a popular thing for adults to do together in leisure time.
You need food to survive a wedding reception?
Maybe read comparisons in their context?
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of what dopamine is and how it plays into human social interaction...
Yea, I am actually. What does dopamine have to do with alcohol intake in human social interaction?
Dopamine is a chemical signal that gets released in our neurological system as a "reward" for certain behaviors. Generally speaking, the reward takes the form of a pleasurable high -- and it's a natural one, since it originates in our own biochemistry. Our bodies/brains remember the reward and repeat the behaviors that (we think) lead to it in the future to get the reward again.
Consuming light or moderate amounts of alcohol can release dopamine. Eating food that you like can release dopamine. Listening to music you like can release dopamine. Exercise can release dopamine. Of course, good sex can release dopamine.
A dopamine high relaxes you, reduces anxieties, and makes you generally nice to be around. When you're in the company of others on a dopamine high, they tend to be nice to be around, too, because they (naturally) feel good.
So when people get together for leisure or recreation, it shouldn't be surprising that they're basically saying to each other, "Let's get together and do some (reasonable, safe, legal) things that have caused a dopamine release for us in the past." (It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone WILL BE happy at this social gathering, for many possible complex reasons. But it does justify the planning of the gathering.)
This doesn't mean that people should get together and get hammered all the time. Once the alcohol in the bloodstream overwhelms any dopamine release that may have occurred, the high isn't natural anymore, and a lot of bad behaviors tend to start happening.
It's similar to why people shouldn't really get together and gorge themselves on unhealthy food, either. It doesn't pose the same immediate dangers as drug and alcohol intoxication, but it's an abuse of the body's reward system, nonetheless.
"So let's go somewhere and eat some food together, drink some beer or wine together, and listen to some music together." There's no grand mystery behind why that seems to be a popular thing for adults to do together in leisure time.
That’s really quite interesting. Is dopamine connected to addictition? I recall a surgeon general report years ago that quantified the amount of “pleasure chemicals released in the brain” by various drugs ... and pointing out that crack cocaine was #1 by a very wide margin - enough that trying it just one time could result in addiction ... I assume the “pleasure center of the brain” he was talking about was dopamine?
And I further assume that just because the pleasure center of the brain gets triggered doesn’t mean it is “good” or “bad” (I.e. it’s no reason for us to run out and try crack cocaine)... so, I’m not sure what to make of the fact that humans turn to getting buzzed as frequently as we do (yet we don’t all go trying crack cocaine) ... so, why one behavior (alcohol) and not the other? It can’t just be legality ...
I guess you don't have any friends in Utah :)
Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"
Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.
Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.
Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.
I don't have a problem with people who refrain from drinking or smoking weed or whatever. I just don't them to speak on high & tell me how I'm in sin for drinking. It's annoying as hell.
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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.
Also it works against your take because there have been plenty of college parties and in latter stages in life where only alcohol is served and yet no food. Very strange. Why? Because they're looking to GET DRUNK, shit faced, fucked up. Ever hear someone say at the office "no. I don't want a donut or whatever, I'd rather have a beer or save the calories for beer"
Why is this so hard to digest? It's better to not take drugs and drink and consider them holy or smug? Holy shit. Grow up. In this society, sobriety should be praised. It's such a rare treat. You really are going attack someone who doesn't drink and does drugs? Jesus Christ. You should be praising that person.
Another story: last March, Met up with a few buddies at a bar (of course) and we went back to the house. Out came the drugs and booze.The one kid just handed me a beer because he assumed. Guess what? He's dead because he was driving on the wrong side of the road drunk not even a year later.
Also no...no one is ignorant to anything we've heard these takes before. It's almost to the point where it's tiring.
I don't have a problem with people who refrain from drinking or smoking weed or whatever. I just don't them to speak on high & tell me how I'm in sin for drinking. It's annoying as hell.
Why would a stranger give a shit what you do? Moreover, why do you care one iota what they say?
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for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?
I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.
I already said in my previous post hat you likely don’t care about what I have to say. Clearly you aren’t reading what’s right in front of you.
And you do give a shit, which is why you keep on arguing about it.
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for someone who’s “just making an observation”. And then you throw out claims that people rely on it. It’s just very strange and exactly what it means to be holier than thou.
I have a few drinks per week. My weekly intake wouldn’t even get me a buzz if I drank all 3 in a few hours. So if I’m not getting buzzed, what’s your point?
Do you honestly think I care about you enough to be “condescending” (or anything else) about you (you personally and the generic “internet you”)?
I just find it interesting that Homo sapiens have, as a group, a need to get high in social settings. As for the drinking habits of any particular Homo sapiens, I really don’t give a shit.
I already said in my previous post hat you likely don’t care about what I have to say. Clearly you aren’t reading what’s right in front of you.
And you do give a shit, which is why you keep on arguing about it.
Yea, I actually do care very much how much you drink. Who are you, btw?
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You do know you need food and water to survive but can live without beer? Weird deflection.
You need food to survive a wedding reception?
Maybe read comparisons in their context?
Mr. B.....
Without reaching or anything, it is a fact 100% of the people in attendance would need to eat (have their daily dinner meal). The beer part (AT THE WEDDING) is completely different because its a choice. The guy just made a questioning comment as to why alcohol has to be present at any interaction or minor celebration. You drink alcohol to get drunk, let loose or whatever other stupid feeling people get. The normalization of drinking in public is what he was questioning. I think he called some people out on it and they don't like it.
It makes sense for you to get fed as a wedding guest since you are allotting your spent during dinner or lunch time. Again, getting drunk like a moron is just a choice.
Most of these casual drinkers" or people who need to unwind"
(People who cannot cope with reality or just hate their life or more deeper problems than that) do drink more than you realize. You hear it EVERY single year on how much % is spent on alcohol every 4th of July and it is polarizing. You can't be serious If you don't believe people use 4th of July, Memorial Day, even a birthday or any little excuse to get hammered because they truly care about the holiday. Not only that it's glorified and people make 24/7 jokes about how much of a drunk they are.
You know this and I know this is a common scary theme.
But if you question the normalization and worrying about alcohol abuse you are considered dumb? Sorry things just need to be said and put where they need to be put.
I said nothing about "sharing a beer" ... I said
And I clarified that several times to make it clear I am talking about homo sapiens, not individuals. Again, I don't give a rat's ass what you do. Why would I? I am interested in the genetics of the human species that cause us to gravitate toward external stimulants in order to function.
But keep on chirping. You're good at it.
having a beer at a party
having a beer with a couple at dinner
These are all social gatherings. Hopefully that chirp makes sense.
having a beer at a party
having a beer with a couple at dinner
These are all social gatherings. Hopefully that chirp makes sense.
I made it very clear I was interested in the history of homo sapiens usage of alcohol. All you've done is chirp chirp (I suspect that's probably the limit of your analytical capability on the subject)
Yea, I don't like assholes twisting my words. People can disagree with me all they want (they usually do) - but I won't tolerate people coming on to me with a fucking agenda and put words in my mouth. That's just being a prick for the sake of being a prick.
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This is just weird at this point
Yea, I don't like assholes twisting my words. People can disagree with me all they want (they usually do) - but I won't tolerate people coming on to me with a fucking agenda and put words in my mouth. That's just being a prick for the sake of being a prick.
Well you did make some brash generalizations before asking questions. But that was so long ago I’ve kind of lost where we are at now. Some people like to drink when they socialize. Does it really matter why?
If that’s twisting your words than I apologize.
If that’s twisting your words than I apologize.
You are missing my point entirely. What I find disturbing is that homo sapiens developed some type of genetic need for stimulants, presumably as a means of survival. In other words, what was it about our cave man ancestors that made survival dependent upon getting high? And why does that survive to this day?
Most people (me included) enjoys getting high or buzzed (or what have you). However, I've found it disturbing to me personally - as a homo sapiens - as a species trying to survive in the world - that my ancestors left humans with some type of need to get high. I wouldn't think it would have to be that way. That is merely how we have evolved. And I'm questioning why.
But go ahead and try to twist the narrative change to: This guy has it out for people who drink, which has not been one single portion of anything I've said in this thread.
Same here.
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Apparently, homo sapiens relied very heavily upon alcohol as a safe way to drink water... it provided protection against unhealthy micro-organisms in natural water, and it tasted better (and caused a buzz too).
Our body's ability to process alcohol
Over time, homo sapiens began using alcohol for reasons beyond being a safe way to drink water. For the buzz. Which has led to problems over time.
Millions of years ago, when food was harder to come by, the attraction to ethanol and the brain chemistry that lit up to reward the discovery of fermented fruit may have been a critical survival advantage for our primate ancestors. Today those genetic and neurochemical traits may be at the root of compulsive drinking, says Robert Dudley, whose father was an alcoholic.
Throughout history, ethanol’s intoxicating power has made it an object of concern...
This article addresses a large part of what I was trying to discuss... an explanation for why humans have their very obvious genetic need to consume alcohol... However, the article still stops short of adequately explaining alcohol's role in social interaction... for a species universally called "highly social", I find it very strange that humans apparently require mind altering substances to soften the edges of social anxiety which appears to be a basic human trait.
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That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.
Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.
Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.
That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.
Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.
Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.
I think you are pretty clearly wrong. Alcohol use dates beach 9000 years across independent civilizations... and continues to this day ... in fact what I read says it’s usage is highest ever seen... and it is genetic ... and provided survival benefits (clean drinking water) ... article indicates it also loosened our ancestors up from their anxieties in social settings
all of this is pretty much what I guessed ... there was no way alcohol could be such a huge part of how the human species socializes without there being a pretty strong genetic predisposition
So anything the species does as a huge part of socializing is a genetic predisposition?
I guess humans are predisposed to athletic competitions, singing, dancing, and making music too? Extrapolating out, I guess since humans have produced art since their origin that it is a genetic predisposition too?
When humans gather, they often interact. They don't just sit silently. So they gather for meals, for celebrations, or simply for friendship. Many things, including alcohol, are used in these social settings.
Not sure how one makes the leap to things being genetically needed because they are done in social settings. All cultures have competition, music, dance and art.
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humans don't "require" mind altering substances or have a genetic need to consume them.
That's the crux of almost all of your posts on this thread. It's like trying to say singing and dancing or listening to music is required for social gatherings or that our bodies have a genetic need to gyrate.
Almost every culture has origins that trace back to fermentation, music and dance. Some even have a culture of smoking things. Tribal customs. Communal gatherings involved food, drink and song in the past and continue to this day.
Not sure where the wonderment is - unless you've now come to believe humans NEED alcohol, which is a faulty assumption. But one you're clinging to tightly here.
I think you are pretty clearly wrong. Alcohol use dates beach 9000 years across independent civilizations... and continues to this day ... in fact what I read says it’s usage is highest ever seen... and it is genetic ... and provided survival benefits (clean drinking water) ... article indicates it also loosened our ancestors up from their anxieties in social settings
all of this is pretty much what I guessed ... there was no way alcohol could be such a huge part of how the human species socializes without there being a pretty strong genetic predisposition
Have you come across actual scientific proof of this genetic predisposition thing you keep pushing or is it a conclusion you've drawn for yourself and keep stating as fact?
Meditation makes me feel good, reduces my anxiety and stress, and makes me feel good overall. Does that mean I have a genetic predisposition to meditating?
What if I find a certain type of tea (i.e.. Chamomile) relaxes me and enjoy consuming it on a regular basis? Genetic predisposition?
Your angle here is sort of ridiculous.
Sobriety is the only way to go through life.
Guy comes in with a wonderment on why humans have drank since their origin and instead of accepting it as a cultural practice, instead makes it into a genetic need.
Have no clue where the parallels to having a safe way to ingest fluid fuse into being a genetic need, but I guess it is there.
Next up - a discussion on how breathing in smoke to get high is a genetic need too since people have done it since early times and humans need to breathe to live!
Sobriety is the only way to go through life.
Haha, well your true colors sure are showing. Glad you finally came out and said it. If you aren’t sober you are doing it wrong....alrighty big shot.
There's nothing wrong with social use of alcohol. There's nothing wrong with not socially using alcohol. It's not a statement or indication of anything about our genetic code.