I doubt GS will rush him but he will play this year.
Ok, since I deserve the number 1 spot on the BBI douche list. Ill go out and say this...
Kawahi, Durant, and Boogie could all be FA's next year.
Kawahi has expressed playing in LA.
Magic spoke to cousins already.
Durant has been texting with Lebron.
LA has taken a ton fo 1 year deals.
LA has expressed interest in trading all of their young players.
How about someone in this league tries to BEAT the Warriors instead of everyone joining them instead?
I'd like to see a competitive league. Not a league where you know who the champion is before a single game is played.
well Houston took a big swing at it...and nearly pulled off the upset. But this isn't really a new thing in the NBA. Once in a while you get teams making an unexpected run to the finals...and there's been very few "surprise" champions.
Best way to upend things would be throwing out the whole cap system and salary limits and going with an NFL style hard cap without any exceptions. Stars would most likely be more evenly dispersed throughout the league.
Yeah, it's a structural issue - I don't blame the players, they're doing what's within their rights.
I just personally think it makes for a ridiculously unexciting product. Most of us are Knicks fans - we know we're going to suck next year. It is what it is. But I'd like to see there be a few teams that actually have a real chance at beating the Warriors.
Granted, Houston almost did it. Maybe if CP3 didn't get hurt they would have.
I just couldn't stand that Durant joined that team when he was so close to beating them. I wanted to see KD say "game 6 was on me, I choked - but I want to take another swing at it and beat those guys"
I personally just feel like all of this sucks for the league. But I guess this is still enjoyable for more people than I thought.
Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
Listen I know we go back and forth, but I rather GS win it every year as long as they stay true to the unselfish basketball they play. I hate the game of ISO, and hate when Durant does it. When GS moves the ball, their brand of basketball is fun to watch.
I wouldnt mind a team like Minny, Denver, SA challenging them and taking them down (they arent) but I rather them than the ISO play of Westbrook, Harden/Paul, James.
Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
The cap structure in the NFL wouldn't allow for it, though - there are so many more players that are vital to a teams success. In the NBA, one LeBron James gets you to the Finals with 1 decent player and 3 janitors.
You need WAY more than one elite player in the NFL. Way more. We've seen it with Odell. He's one of the absolute best players in the league and we've still had crap years with him here because so many other parts of the team were trash.
Sure, if the league were structured in such a way where a team could manage something like this and it was the Giants winning every single year I'd enjoy it - but I certainly wouldn't argue with people who said it was terrible for the rest of the league or made it much less enjoyable for them.
but I don't understand how when fans of most teams know they simply can't compete for a title anytime soon. Dynasties are fun in league like the NFL where they have to be built. We all hate the Patriots but it's hard to argue that they didn't earn every ring. But in the NBA where guys just choose to band together on one team to win? Kinda boring.
The NBA is starting to look like European soccer where only a handful of teams can win. Because of the salary cap it is different. GS simply cannot outspend everyone and once those players get old they will fall on hard times like the Bulls did. Compared to Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man City, Man United, Bayern Munich, etc who win every single year cause they have the most money.
that the narrative is that Adam Silver is an incredible commissioner who is never criticized. Maybe the rose is finally off the bloom for him.
The NBA bargaining agreement was under Stern I believe. Silver hates super teams. Hope he makes massive changes soon.
GET A FUCKING HARD CAP. And get rid of all the mid-level exceptions. Rise the salary cap if you have too.
This is what I always say. Enough with all of the fucking exceptions, loopholes, and bullshit. Create a hard cap. If it has to be a little higher, so be it.
I know a lot of people here aren't hockey fans, but I think the cap structure in the NHL is much fairer and makes much more sense. You can't really do this shit in the NHL. You can pay 2-3 guys 10M a year, but then the rest of your team is going to be full of JAG's and bottom 6 players.
The CBA in this league is completely ridiculous and way, way too complicated which creates all of this nonsense.
Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
Listen I know we go back and forth, but I rather GS win it every year as long as they stay true to the unselfish basketball they play. I hate the game of ISO, and hate when Durant does it. When GS moves the ball, their brand of basketball is fun to watch.
I wouldnt mind a team like Minny, Denver, SA challenging them and taking them down (they arent) but I rather them than the ISO play of Westbrook, Harden/Paul, James.
Not sure how to reconcile this take and your ranting in the Lebron thread.
Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
The cap structure in the NFL wouldn't allow for it, though - there are so many more players that are vital to a teams success. In the NBA, one LeBron James gets you to the Finals with 1 decent player and 3 janitors.
You need WAY more than one elite player in the NFL. Way more. We've seen it with Odell. He's one of the absolute best players in the league and we've still had crap years with him here because so many other parts of the team were trash.
Sure, if the league were structured in such a way where a team could manage something like this and it was the Giants winning every single year I'd enjoy it - but I certainly wouldn't argue with people who said it was terrible for the rest of the league or made it much less enjoyable for them.
It would be near impossible to form a super team in the NFL even if 6 or 7 elite guys agreed to join a team:
— all of their existing contracts would have to expire at or around the same time
— there would still be the threat of the various tags
— they would all have to be/stay healthy
— they’d all have to take absurdly low deals
— given the length of NFL careers, they’d all seriously jeopardize their future career earnings by either taking severely discounted long term deals or super cheap short deals w the risk of injury
You've got to give them that. And they seem to be playing chess while the rest of the league - except Boston, to a degree - are playing checkers.
I could see this move, actually, being a long term strategy too. Cousins is a vastly more talented player than DGreen. So maybe the Warriors are looking at this as an eventual investment to replace Green.
Haha, thank god my team sucks and I don’t really Â
care about the NBA. What a fucking joke the league has turned out to be. Don’t really know how to curb this, all these players going for the glamour and the easy way out. Where is the competitive spirit?!?!
The days of the one-team career are gone forever for stars but I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. Good that players control their own destiny, can’t knock Boogie for doing what he wants.
You have to put yourself in their shoes. If you have the opportunity to thrust yourself into the middle of the league’s power struggle wouldn’t you consider it? Should these guys really waste away in situations where they will never, ever win a title (Sacramento or New Orleans for Boogie) out of loyalty or pride or whatever?
The league incentivizes them to do that, but there’s no much you can do if a player is willing to take less.
People killed Durant and to an extent I think it’s funny but if I am being honest I would have done the exact same thing as him. Have any of you guys been to Oklahoma City? It’s pretty bleak. Given the option of staying there or moving to the Bay Area to play for a great team with a guy like Kerr in charge I would not have to think very long about my decision.
Maybe it’s easier for me to accept all of this because I am a Knicks fan and I have not really felt like the Knicks were actually truly involved in the league for about 20 years now. My relationship to the rest of the NBA is basically sitting and watching it all unfold and kind of enjoying the spectacle, all the time knowing that my favorite team is of no concern to anyone and will probably not ever win anything.
Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
The cap structure in the NFL wouldn't allow for it, though - there are so many more players that are vital to a teams success. In the NBA, one LeBron James gets you to the Finals with 1 decent player and 3 janitors.
You need WAY more than one elite player in the NFL. Way more. We've seen it with Odell. He's one of the absolute best players in the league and we've still had crap years with him here because so many other parts of the team were trash.
Sure, if the league were structured in such a way where a team could manage something like this and it was the Giants winning every single year I'd enjoy it - but I certainly wouldn't argue with people who said it was terrible for the rest of the league or made it much less enjoyable for them.
It would be near impossible to form a super team in the NFL even if 6 or 7 elite guys agreed to join a team:
— all of their existing contracts would have to expire at or around the same time
— there would still be the threat of the various tags
— they would all have to be/stay healthy
— they’d all have to take absurdly low deals
— given the length of NFL careers, they’d all seriously jeopardize their future career earnings by either taking severely discounted long term deals or super cheap short deals w the risk of injury
Yep - too many pieces, it just can't happen.
And teams who tried to do shit like that with older players didn't pan out - like the 2000 Redskins or the 2011 Eagles.
Funny enough, we were the ones who wound up winning the division and going to the SB both of those years.
But yeah - even if Pat Peterson, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack and a bunch of other guys wanted to play together, the money would never work and the union would never allow for them to take the types of paycuts they'd have to take for something like that to happen.
The NBA feels like a playground where there's no actual authority and players just do whatever they want and go wherever they want.
I don't get why - why would fans of anyone but the Warriors, Celtics, and maybe the Rockets pay attention at all?
Agreed. I dont get it. How is this exciting seeing 4 teams dominate the entire league while you have the rest of league have absolutely ZERO chance at making a run at a title. I just dont understand it at all.
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
It is funny hearing people say it's a "problem" that players are willing to leave millions on the table to win. It's a free market. How do you stop people willing to take that much less to join a team aside from the NBA assigning teams every year. You can't and shouldn't.
Yeah I fail to see the problem as well. Is it really better to artificially spread resources out evenly and create market forces to try to push teams into the middle of the pack? That's what the NFL does now, and the result is a fairly shitty product where success is as predicated on injury luck as much as anything else. Why not just watch a roulette wheel?
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
It is funny hearing people say it's a "problem" that players are willing to leave millions on the table to win. It's a free market. How do you stop people willing to take that much less to join a team aside from the NBA assigning teams every year. You can't and shouldn't.
Yeah I fail to see the problem as well. Is it really better to artificially spread resources out evenly and create market forces to try to push teams into the middle of the pack? That's what the NFL does now, and the result is a fairly shitty product where success is as predicated on injury luck as much as anything else. Why not just watch a roulette wheel?
Problem is top tier teams are very, very good. The bottom teams are unwatchable.
Yeah there are 5 teams worth watching try and get to the finals:
LA, Houston, GS, Philly, and Boston.
But there are some other things to watch:
What happens in Minny? Will they take the next step?
Can Denver be the most fun team in the league?
How far does the Greek Greak/AD take their teams?
Speaking of AD, does he look at Boston and say thats my path?
Phoenix should be a ton of fun to watch this year.
Much more of an individual, star-driven sport. Football is more about the top to bottom quality of your team and a whole hell of a lot about coaching, strategy, game plan.
Basketball is at least 75% your top tier talent and there are only five guys in the floor.
Honestly I think basketball works better with a handful of truly great teams. You just have to hope your team is one of them. Although I find it pretty easy to follow the Knicks and also stay interested in the top of the league. As I said before I think it’s easier because the Knicks are never actually in the mix.
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
It is funny hearing people say it's a "problem" that players are willing to leave millions on the table to win. It's a free market. How do you stop people willing to take that much less to join a team aside from the NBA assigning teams every year. You can't and shouldn't.
Yeah I fail to see the problem as well. Is it really better to artificially spread resources out evenly and create market forces to try to push teams into the middle of the pack? That's what the NFL does now, and the result is a fairly shitty product where success is as predicated on injury luck as much as anything else. Why not just watch a roulette wheel?
That’s a gross oversimplification of the NFL. Teams can dramatically change their fortune through the draft where stars can be found in any round and even after the draft. In the NBA a lottery pick may not even yield an above average starter. NFL teams have to be much more strategic about FA and contracts.
NFL is chess and the NBA is checkers from a team building perspective. At this point you’re essentially in one of two boats in the NBA — tanking for lottery picks in the hope you’ll land the next elite player or whoring yourself out for elite FAs.
NBA is the one sport where having multiple (3+) elite players Â
pretty much guarantees success. Three all pros teaming up in the NFL, NHL, MLB, soccer, etc. makes you a pretty good team on paper, but guarantees absolutely nothing. There is a huge difference with the NBA, but it seems like the youngsters like to watch so good for them. Most of these kids nowadays root for players not teams. I don't think that is a good thing, but that is just my opinion.
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pretty much guarantees success. Three all pros teaming up in the NFL, NHL, MLB, soccer, etc. makes you a pretty good team on paper, but guarantees absolutely nothing. There is a huge difference with the NBA, but it seems like the youngsters like to watch so good for them. Most of these kids nowadays root for players not teams. I don't think that is a good thing, but that is just my opinion.
+1. I know two people who only root the team lebron is on. Fucking ridiculous.
It's been a Barn Storming League for as Long Long Time---not enough Stars and too many Cities---so the Big Shows and the big stars sweep through Towns. The Brand is the Characters over a span of years----it works for Television.
The sport Sucks----as a League. The Regular Season is a complete drag. The Playoffs are basically like World Cup---Great Stars and very competitive and intense.
How about someone in this league tries to BEAT the Warriors instead of everyone joining them instead?
I'd like to see a competitive league. Not a league where you know who the champion is before a single game is played.
Did anyone know the Eagles would win the Super Bowl before last season started or even be there at all?
Did anyone know the Caps would finally get over the hump and win the Cup? Did anyone know they'd be against VEGAS?!
How many people had Houston winning the World Series last year? That was absolutely not a foregone conclusion and they easily could have lost to the Yanks in that Game 7.
I personally don't find any enjoyment in this and I can't imagine anyone outside of Warriors fans does either with some very small exceptions.
Durant really raised his profile winning rings with the Warriors? Are we talking about him as one of the top 20 players in league’s history, which he has the talent to justify, now that he has two rings? I don’t know. For Cousins, how much satisfaction is winning a ring as the 4th or 5th player on the team? I mean, if you are Swaggy P, sure, but I am not so sure if you are Boogie Cousins and one of the prominent players iin the league.
And I don’t really care what the players are entitled to do. Sure, one fan’s sentiment matters little to them, but without us fans they are not making millions to play a game.
So we should punish the good, well-run teams to help the bad, poorly run teams?. How does that make sense?
Talent overcomes front offices in the NBA. I think a lot of teams in the NBA are more unlucky than poorly run. Generational players are very few in the NBA. And when they join together, there is only so much you can do. FO's are at the mercy of their best players.
I look at a team like Denver and Utah who are extremely well run right now, and they dont have snowsball chance in hell at winning because no one wants to go there.
So we should punish the good, well-run teams to help the bad, poorly run teams?. How does that make sense?
It makes sense in that the league's business is entertainment, not the purity of sport. If the league has a team destined to win the title year after year, what incentive is there for fans of other teams to buy tickets or merchandise? Why does anyone go to a Knicks game?
Getting fans invested in the product should be the goal. How does having 27 teams eliminated from contention on opening day do that? The NBA is making money but for how long if this continues?
There are never, ever upsets in the NBA. There are never upstart teams like the 2011 Giants.
There needs to be a balance. I don't have a problem with dynasties but this is absurd. There needs to be some kind of competitive balance.
The 2011 Giants probably don't win the Super Bowl if they have to win four best-out-of-seven playoff series. That's why single elimination playoffs will always be more exciting. Anything can happen. But it will never happen in the NBA.
When a team as thoroughly mediocre as the 2011 Giants wins the title I see that as a sign of an unhealthy league. Outside of that fans of that team who gives a shit about them?
The Warriors are a great team that has marked an era. Though to be fair are attention spans so short that a team winning 3 out of 4 is a problem?
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
Funny how that works right? Go after the money you’re greedy. Go after the situation or glory of winning and you’re a ring chaser.
The nba is a joke during the months of January through april or so. The rest of the time it’s fine.
Athletes have to win titles for the team that drafted them, preferably for less money than the market dictates. And definitely not win too often. That's very important too.
Defending the move and saying the Warriors built this from the ground up with great coaching, management, drafting and development. He’s 100% right and I think we all get that. But that doesn’t change the fact that it makes the entire season less exciting knowing there’s little chance for anyone to beat them.
At least LeBron didn’t sign with the Warriors, he’d easily win four Â
more rings and cement himself as the best player of all time.
If you are a prominent player, even coming off a serious injury, how can joining a team who already won and is in one of the most dominant runs in league history be good for your reputation/legacy and for the health of a competitive sports league?
You can argue that he owes the fans nothing, but you can’t argue that this is good for the league. How much more compelling next year would be had he signed for MLE with the Rockets, Celtics, Spurs or even the Lakers?
It's seems to me like the NFL is checkers to the NBA's chess. You can turn an NFL team around in a year; the system is set up to prop up the weak and hinder the strong. Seems like the NBA involves a longer vision.
Ok, since I deserve the number 1 spot on the BBI douche list. Ill go out and say this...
Kawahi, Durant, and Boogie could all be FA's next year.
Kawahi has expressed playing in LA.
Magic spoke to cousins already.
Durant has been texting with Lebron.
LA has taken a ton fo 1 year deals.
LA has expressed interest in trading all of their young players.
Let the conspiracies begin.
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How about someone in this league tries to BEAT the Warriors instead of everyone joining them instead?
I'd like to see a competitive league. Not a league where you know who the champion is before a single game is played.
well Houston took a big swing at it...and nearly pulled off the upset. But this isn't really a new thing in the NBA. Once in a while you get teams making an unexpected run to the finals...and there's been very few "surprise" champions.
Best way to upend things would be throwing out the whole cap system and salary limits and going with an NFL style hard cap without any exceptions. Stars would most likely be more evenly dispersed throughout the league.
Yeah, it's a structural issue - I don't blame the players, they're doing what's within their rights.
I just personally think it makes for a ridiculously unexciting product. Most of us are Knicks fans - we know we're going to suck next year. It is what it is. But I'd like to see there be a few teams that actually have a real chance at beating the Warriors.
Granted, Houston almost did it. Maybe if CP3 didn't get hurt they would have.
I just couldn't stand that Durant joined that team when he was so close to beating them. I wanted to see KD say "game 6 was on me, I choked - but I want to take another swing at it and beat those guys"
I personally just feel like all of this sucks for the league. But I guess this is still enjoyable for more people than I thought.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
Listen I know we go back and forth, but I rather GS win it every year as long as they stay true to the unselfish basketball they play. I hate the game of ISO, and hate when Durant does it. When GS moves the ball, their brand of basketball is fun to watch.
I wouldnt mind a team like Minny, Denver, SA challenging them and taking them down (they arent) but I rather them than the ISO play of Westbrook, Harden/Paul, James.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
The cap structure in the NFL wouldn't allow for it, though - there are so many more players that are vital to a teams success. In the NBA, one LeBron James gets you to the Finals with 1 decent player and 3 janitors.
You need WAY more than one elite player in the NFL. Way more. We've seen it with Odell. He's one of the absolute best players in the league and we've still had crap years with him here because so many other parts of the team were trash.
Sure, if the league were structured in such a way where a team could manage something like this and it was the Giants winning every single year I'd enjoy it - but I certainly wouldn't argue with people who said it was terrible for the rest of the league or made it much less enjoyable for them.
The NBA bargaining agreement was under Stern I believe. Silver hates super teams. Hope he makes massive changes soon.
GET A FUCKING HARD CAP. And get rid of all the mid-level exceptions. Rise the salary cap if you have too.
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that the narrative is that Adam Silver is an incredible commissioner who is never criticized. Maybe the rose is finally off the bloom for him.
The NBA bargaining agreement was under Stern I believe. Silver hates super teams. Hope he makes massive changes soon.
GET A FUCKING HARD CAP. And get rid of all the mid-level exceptions. Rise the salary cap if you have too.
This is what I always say. Enough with all of the fucking exceptions, loopholes, and bullshit. Create a hard cap. If it has to be a little higher, so be it.
I know a lot of people here aren't hockey fans, but I think the cap structure in the NHL is much fairer and makes much more sense. You can't really do this shit in the NHL. You can pay 2-3 guys 10M a year, but then the rest of your team is going to be full of JAG's and bottom 6 players.
The CBA in this league is completely ridiculous and way, way too complicated which creates all of this nonsense.
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Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
Listen I know we go back and forth, but I rather GS win it every year as long as they stay true to the unselfish basketball they play. I hate the game of ISO, and hate when Durant does it. When GS moves the ball, their brand of basketball is fun to watch.
I wouldnt mind a team like Minny, Denver, SA challenging them and taking them down (they arent) but I rather them than the ISO play of Westbrook, Harden/Paul, James.
Not sure how to reconcile this take and your ranting in the Lebron thread.
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Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
The cap structure in the NFL wouldn't allow for it, though - there are so many more players that are vital to a teams success. In the NBA, one LeBron James gets you to the Finals with 1 decent player and 3 janitors.
You need WAY more than one elite player in the NFL. Way more. We've seen it with Odell. He's one of the absolute best players in the league and we've still had crap years with him here because so many other parts of the team were trash.
Sure, if the league were structured in such a way where a team could manage something like this and it was the Giants winning every single year I'd enjoy it - but I certainly wouldn't argue with people who said it was terrible for the rest of the league or made it much less enjoyable for them.
It would be near impossible to form a super team in the NFL even if 6 or 7 elite guys agreed to join a team:
— all of their existing contracts would have to expire at or around the same time
— there would still be the threat of the various tags
— they would all have to be/stay healthy
— they’d all have to take absurdly low deals
— given the length of NFL careers, they’d all seriously jeopardize their future career earnings by either taking severely discounted long term deals or super cheap short deals w the risk of injury
I could see this move, actually, being a long term strategy too. Cousins is a vastly more talented player than DGreen. So maybe the Warriors are looking at this as an eventual investment to replace Green.
You have to put yourself in their shoes. If you have the opportunity to thrust yourself into the middle of the league’s power struggle wouldn’t you consider it? Should these guys really waste away in situations where they will never, ever win a title (Sacramento or New Orleans for Boogie) out of loyalty or pride or whatever?
The league incentivizes them to do that, but there’s no much you can do if a player is willing to take less.
People killed Durant and to an extent I think it’s funny but if I am being honest I would have done the exact same thing as him. Have any of you guys been to Oklahoma City? It’s pretty bleak. Given the option of staying there or moving to the Bay Area to play for a great team with a guy like Kerr in charge I would not have to think very long about my decision.
Maybe it’s easier for me to accept all of this because I am a Knicks fan and I have not really felt like the Knicks were actually truly involved in the league for about 20 years now. My relationship to the rest of the NBA is basically sitting and watching it all unfold and kind of enjoying the spectacle, all the time knowing that my favorite team is of no concern to anyone and will probably not ever win anything.
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Something between the NBA and the NFL system I suppose. I admit this kind of feels like cheating now.
But ask yourself how you would feel if the Giants suddenly turned into what is widely considered to be the best run team in all of sports, with a outstanding, supportive culture that players claim is incredibly unique, and then won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, and players like Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey chose to sign with them as a result.
Yeah, you'd probably kind of think of it's cheating too.
The cap structure in the NFL wouldn't allow for it, though - there are so many more players that are vital to a teams success. In the NBA, one LeBron James gets you to the Finals with 1 decent player and 3 janitors.
You need WAY more than one elite player in the NFL. Way more. We've seen it with Odell. He's one of the absolute best players in the league and we've still had crap years with him here because so many other parts of the team were trash.
Sure, if the league were structured in such a way where a team could manage something like this and it was the Giants winning every single year I'd enjoy it - but I certainly wouldn't argue with people who said it was terrible for the rest of the league or made it much less enjoyable for them.
It would be near impossible to form a super team in the NFL even if 6 or 7 elite guys agreed to join a team:
— all of their existing contracts would have to expire at or around the same time
— there would still be the threat of the various tags
— they would all have to be/stay healthy
— they’d all have to take absurdly low deals
— given the length of NFL careers, they’d all seriously jeopardize their future career earnings by either taking severely discounted long term deals or super cheap short deals w the risk of injury
Yep - too many pieces, it just can't happen.
And teams who tried to do shit like that with older players didn't pan out - like the 2000 Redskins or the 2011 Eagles.
Funny enough, we were the ones who wound up winning the division and going to the SB both of those years.
But yeah - even if Pat Peterson, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack and a bunch of other guys wanted to play together, the money would never work and the union would never allow for them to take the types of paycuts they'd have to take for something like that to happen.
The NBA feels like a playground where there's no actual authority and players just do whatever they want and go wherever they want.
Agreed. I dont get it. How is this exciting seeing 4 teams dominate the entire league while you have the rest of league have absolutely ZERO chance at making a run at a title. I just dont understand it at all.
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
It is funny hearing people say it's a "problem" that players are willing to leave millions on the table to win. It's a free market. How do you stop people willing to take that much less to join a team aside from the NBA assigning teams every year. You can't and shouldn't.
Yeah I fail to see the problem as well. Is it really better to artificially spread resources out evenly and create market forces to try to push teams into the middle of the pack? That's what the NFL does now, and the result is a fairly shitty product where success is as predicated on injury luck as much as anything else. Why not just watch a roulette wheel?
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In comment 14005070 Go Terps said:
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
It is funny hearing people say it's a "problem" that players are willing to leave millions on the table to win. It's a free market. How do you stop people willing to take that much less to join a team aside from the NBA assigning teams every year. You can't and shouldn't.
Yeah I fail to see the problem as well. Is it really better to artificially spread resources out evenly and create market forces to try to push teams into the middle of the pack? That's what the NFL does now, and the result is a fairly shitty product where success is as predicated on injury luck as much as anything else. Why not just watch a roulette wheel?
Problem is top tier teams are very, very good. The bottom teams are unwatchable.
LA, Houston, GS, Philly, and Boston.
But there are some other things to watch:
What happens in Minny? Will they take the next step?
Can Denver be the most fun team in the league?
How far does the Greek Greak/AD take their teams?
Speaking of AD, does he look at Boston and say thats my path?
Phoenix should be a ton of fun to watch this year.
There needs to be a balance. I don't have a problem with dynasties but this is absurd. There needs to be some kind of competitive balance.
Basketball is at least 75% your top tier talent and there are only five guys in the floor.
Honestly I think basketball works better with a handful of truly great teams. You just have to hope your team is one of them. Although I find it pretty easy to follow the Knicks and also stay interested in the top of the league. As I said before I think it’s easier because the Knicks are never actually in the mix.
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In comment 14005070 Go Terps said:
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
It is funny hearing people say it's a "problem" that players are willing to leave millions on the table to win. It's a free market. How do you stop people willing to take that much less to join a team aside from the NBA assigning teams every year. You can't and shouldn't.
Yeah I fail to see the problem as well. Is it really better to artificially spread resources out evenly and create market forces to try to push teams into the middle of the pack? That's what the NFL does now, and the result is a fairly shitty product where success is as predicated on injury luck as much as anything else. Why not just watch a roulette wheel?
That’s a gross oversimplification of the NFL. Teams can dramatically change their fortune through the draft where stars can be found in any round and even after the draft. In the NBA a lottery pick may not even yield an above average starter. NFL teams have to be much more strategic about FA and contracts.
NFL is chess and the NBA is checkers from a team building perspective. At this point you’re essentially in one of two boats in the NBA — tanking for lottery picks in the hope you’ll land the next elite player or whoring yourself out for elite FAs.
+1. I know two people who only root the team lebron is on. Fucking ridiculous.
The sport Sucks----as a League. The Regular Season is a complete drag. The Playoffs are basically like World Cup---Great Stars and very competitive and intense.
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I'd like to see a competitive league. Not a league where you know who the champion is before a single game is played.
Did anyone know the Eagles would win the Super Bowl before last season started or even be there at all?
Did anyone know the Caps would finally get over the hump and win the Cup? Did anyone know they'd be against VEGAS?!
How many people had Houston winning the World Series last year? That was absolutely not a foregone conclusion and they easily could have lost to the Yanks in that Game 7.
I personally don't find any enjoyment in this and I can't imagine anyone outside of Warriors fans does either with some very small exceptions.
And I don’t really care what the players are entitled to do. Sure, one fan’s sentiment matters little to them, but without us fans they are not making millions to play a game.
Talent overcomes front offices in the NBA. I think a lot of teams in the NBA are more unlucky than poorly run. Generational players are very few in the NBA. And when they join together, there is only so much you can do. FO's are at the mercy of their best players.
I look at a team like Denver and Utah who are extremely well run right now, and they dont have snowsball chance in hell at winning because no one wants to go there.
Forget KL. Make a move for Anthony Davis.
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The Celtics should make a move for Leornard right now. They have the ammo, and that would be an epic matchup in the finals.
Forget KL. Make a move for Anthony Davis.
They have the pieces to get either. I mean they have 4 first round picks next year. Somethings gotta give....
Enes Kanter’s response to this via tweet - ( New Window )
It makes sense in that the league's business is entertainment, not the purity of sport. If the league has a team destined to win the title year after year, what incentive is there for fans of other teams to buy tickets or merchandise? Why does anyone go to a Knicks game?
Getting fans invested in the product should be the goal. How does having 27 teams eliminated from contention on opening day do that? The NBA is making money but for how long if this continues?
and there's plenty more where that came from
There needs to be a balance. I don't have a problem with dynasties but this is absurd. There needs to be some kind of competitive balance.
The 2011 Giants probably don't win the Super Bowl if they have to win four best-out-of-seven playoff series. That's why single elimination playoffs will always be more exciting. Anything can happen. But it will never happen in the NBA.
The Warriors are a great team that has marked an era. Though to be fair are attention spans so short that a team winning 3 out of 4 is a problem?
Funny how that works right? Go after the money you’re greedy. Go after the situation or glory of winning and you’re a ring chaser.
The nba is a joke during the months of January through april or so. The rest of the time it’s fine.
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Why is "ring chasing" a negative? I thought we respected athletes that want to win titles.
Funny how that works right? Go after the money you’re greedy. Go after the situation or glory of winning and you’re a ring chaser.
The nba is a joke during the months of January through april or so. The rest of the time it’s fine.
Athletes have to win titles for the team that drafted them, preferably for less money than the market dictates. And definitely not win too often. That's very important too.
If you are a prominent player, even coming off a serious injury, how can joining a team who already won and is in one of the most dominant runs in league history be good for your reputation/legacy and for the health of a competitive sports league?
You can argue that he owes the fans nothing, but you can’t argue that this is good for the league. How much more compelling next year would be had he signed for MLE with the Rockets, Celtics, Spurs or even the Lakers?