I like what the Knicks are doing. Perry/Fizdale appears to finally be adding some credibility & patience to this franchise. Both Perry & Mills have been stressing the importance of not skipping steps during the rebuilding process, but the NBA is a veteran league still. Young players (if the pan out) and that is a big if, need to be supplemented by veteran stars to truly compete.
With all this said, next year is a very strong FA class and NYK will have cap room for a max contract to pair with KP. Hopefully guys like Frank & Knox can develop as well. My question is this, who is worth it? Back in 2010 moves were forced to save face, it was not an option to maintain cap flexibility, instead overpaying for Amare & forcing the Melo trade. It didn’t work.
Nothing sets you back more than overpaying in the NBA, it destroys teams.
Is Kyrie worth it? It reminds me of McDyess with his knee history. It could be very risky.
Jimmy Butler? Can he be a piece that helps contend for a title? I don’t know.
Klay Thompson? Eh.
Kawhi Leonard? Feels destined for LA.
Kevin Durant? Probably a pipe dream.
I know the Knicks can’t star chase, but stars are needed to win in the NBA. Developing through the draft is great, but it’s unlikely we will hit on all picks & you could be looking at another 4-5 years at minimum.
How would you spend next years cap money, if at all?
Kyrie I would stay far away from.
So Noah's contract crushes them for a full year after it expires? That's an interesting tidbit that I hadn't considered previously.
Noah’s contract has 2 years remaining.
Is Kyrie an injury risk at this point? I think it’s a legitimate question to ask.
Is Kyrie an injury risk at this point? I think it’s a legitimate question to ask.
he didnt get hurt again, he had things put in his knee when he got hurt in cleveland, they went in to take it out, they were going to in off season butnit started bothering his knee, when he got that taken out his knee got infected and they had to go back in...
there was no new injury
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I know they can get a max player. But that is just one person. The Noah signing is still crushing them. And will for 3 more years. Plus THJ contract. They will be luckily if they can move Lee. With the rumors or butler and Kylie wanting to play so badly together that would be great to add to kp if Knox and Frank develop and with another lottery pick following this year. But to make that possible they will need to find desperate trade partners to take one of THJ or Noah which is close to 0%.
Noah’s contract has 2 years remaining.
My bad I was thinking quickly 18 season, 19 season, and 20 season. But obviously the season overlap. Just going on the fact still that he kills them in adding a second max player in next years class. Its amazing that type of player would stop you from signing a top 25 talent player in the league.
I would love to know what his other offers were at the time of his signing if any. That contract is insane.
They will have 1 year left on Noahs deal at which point he becomes an expiring contract to deal in offseason or by trade deadline.
The odds are the Knicks will be a bottom 3-5 team this season. KP will likely lay no meaningful time and go into 2019 as a question mark. Odds are no meaningful free agent will want to come here. The Knicks will have to prove it it in 2020.
2020 is their shot. They will have KP fully healthy and returned. They will be in Frank’s 3rd year and he hopefully will be a viable contributing starter. They will be in Knox’s 2nd year and hopefully he will have developed into a viable and contributing starter. They will have a top 5 rookie draft pick. They will be 2 years into Fizdale who has hopefully developed a culture and chemistry.
That team will hopefully be a playoff contender. They should have plenty of cap room with Noah’s expiring. That team can attract a grade A free agent
Knicks would be foolish to stretch Noah.
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
With that said, the Knicks need to make Durant their top priority next season. If he would be willing to come by himself to play alongside KP, Knox, Ntilikina then great, but if he would require a running mate, then you do everything in your power to move Lee, Noah, Hardaway in order to create additional space to make it happen.
In order to open up the cap space next year they have to delay paying KP. I wouldn't be surprised if they took this course of action, struck out, and KP left for another team, regardless of how good the "new relationship" is.
I still firmly believe, that if KP is willing to sign a contract similar to Embiid's, the Knicks should do it posthaste. Then if they can be a bit more patient, they can let Noah's contract and others fall of naturally and try for free agents in 2020.
With that said, the Knicks need to make Durant their top priority next season. If he would be willing to come by himself to play alongside KP, Knox, Ntilikina then great, but if he would require a running mate, then you do everything in your power to move Lee, Noah, Hardaway in order to create additional space to make it happen.
it seems like a lot smoke around irving and butler
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
I don't think thats right. This article is from last December but uses Noah as an example.
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In order to open up the cap space next year they have to delay paying KP. I wouldn't be surprised if they took this course of action, struck out, and KP left for another team, regardless of how good the "new relationship" is.
I still firmly believe, that if KP is willing to sign a contract similar to Embiid's, the Knicks should do it posthaste. Then if they can be a bit more patient, they can let Noah's contract and others fall of naturally and try for free agents in 2020.
waiting until next year is the smartest thing the knicks can do whether they sign a max or not...
firsg off you have no idea how kp will come back from his injury...
second it gives the knicks an extra 10 million in salary next year...
third he would be a restricted free agent he is going nowhere
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
I don't think thats right. This article is from last December but uses Noah as an example. NBA Stretch Provision - ( New Window )
did you read the article?
it cleaely states if a player is in his final year the stretch provision does not apply
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
I don't think thats right. This article is from last December but uses Noah as an example. NBA Stretch Provision - ( New Window )
did you read the article?
it cleaely states if a player is in his final year the stretch provision does not apply
Yea I read it, if he is waived before September 1st he can still be stretched.
"Note: If a player in the final year of his contract is waived between September 1 and June 30, the stretch provision does not apply."
firsg off you have no idea how kp will come back from his injury...
second it gives the knicks an extra 10 million in salary next year...
third he would be a restricted free agent he is going nowhere
I was under the impression that Embiid's contract protected the Sixer's if a pre-existing injury flared up. I was hoping that the Knicks could do the same.
As for KP not going anywhere, I hope so, but he gives me Kyrie / Paul George / Kawhi vibes.
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firsg off you have no idea how kp will come back from his injury...
second it gives the knicks an extra 10 million in salary next year...
third he would be a restricted free agent he is going nowhere
I was under the impression that Embiid's contract protected the Sixer's if a pre-existing injury flared up. I was hoping that the Knicks could do the same.
As for KP not going anywhere, I hope so, but he gives me Kyrie / Paul George / Kawhi vibes.
Every one of those guys signed their second contract with the team that drafted them.
You worry too much.
Why stretch him this September? Wait it out... maybe stretch him next September if needed but only if needed.
Every one of those guys signed their second contract with the team that drafted them.
True, though I was referring to how they acted before leaving their teams, or in Kawhi's case before demanding a trade. I could be completely wrong. I hope I am. I guess I'm just the type of person who would rather play it safe with KP and be patient for one extra season with free agents.
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12 million off the cap with a 6 million cap hit for 3 years...
Why stretch him this September? Wait it out... maybe stretch him next September if needed but only if needed.
first off once september hits next year you cant stretch...
and you need to stretch him to get max money next july
hicks had nothing to do with robinson, they were not signing robinson to a 2 way contract
Or similarly, if you are Minnesota and are going to lose Jimmy Butler anyway, would you take on the last year of Noah's deal in a sign and trade with a couple assets attached rather than lose him for nothing? If not Noah, maybe they would be interested in Hardaway.
The point is, if the Knicks have agreements in place for 2 max free agents, they should have plenty of options to make room because there are more teams with cap space available than there are big ticket free agents.
Klay is a nice player but is also a NO. He would turn 30 during his first year with Knicks. He is the 3rd option on a very good team. Without Curry, he won't get the same open looks.
Durant and Kawhi would be great but Knicks have no chance.
Kyrie is a risk but I think Knicks could get him. He would also be only 27.I'd do it.
Kyrie, Porzingas, THJR and the young guys would be a legit contender in the East. Once you are a contender, it is easier to attract free agents.
Cousins might also be a possibility.
Not saying it absolutely couldn't happen, but it is very unlikely to happen. It is a fantasy that beaten-down Knick fans like to entertain. But it is not realistic.
He’s got 38 million left. If they stretch him in Sept then it’s 7.5 million over 5 years I don’t think they stretch him until next year
Not sure that I’m correct onbthis NYG16
Imagine Davis and KP
Now the Knicks would be set for 4-5 years as a major contender
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12 million off the cap with a 6 million cap hit for 3 years...
He’s got 38 million left. If they stretch him in Sept then it’s 7.5 million over 5 years I don’t think they stretch him until next year
Not sure that I’m correct onbthis NYG16
september 1st it is 3 years
love to get 2 max slots...
2 max slots with kp frank knox and another first round pick and fizdale has to be able to recruit 2 guys
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don't have enough cap room, if Durant leaves GS, I imagine NYK is the favorite. Multiple reporters have been hinting as much.
love to get 2 max slots...
2 max slots with kp frank knox and another first round pick and fizdale has to be able to recruit 2 guys
Agreed. They really need to move at least 1, probably 2 of Noah, Hardaway, Noah.
And Timmy is probably going to cost a first rounder to get rid of him. I still think our best option is to make a deal the OKC for Melo and then buyout Melo. Lee baker and Thomas or Hardaway and Thomas. I would offer a 2022 1st rounder if they took hardaway and Lee. I think Knicks will be good by 2021 so if it means sacrificing a pick in the 20’s to maximize the tank this year for a high lottery pick and the ability to go for 2 maxes I would do it.
It is easier to trade Lee than any of the others
Now ur set for 2019
Klay is a nice player but is also a NO. He would turn 30 during his first year with Knicks. He is the 3rd option on a very good team. Without Curry, he won't get the same open looks.
Durant and Kawhi would be great but Knicks have no chance.
Kyrie is a risk but I think Knicks could get him. He would also be only 27.I'd do it.
Kyrie, Porzingas, THJR and the young guys would be a legit contender in the East. Once you are a contender, it is easier to attract free agents.
Cousins might also be a possibility.
Klay was the second option on a team that won a championship and then won 73 games the following season. The Warriors were good before Durant got there, and Klay Thompson was a huge part of that. I think he should be the prime target if Durant isn’t keen to come here.
kp-17
thjr-17
lee-12
frank-4
thomas 1
knox-4
19 first-4-7
78 million
roughly 31 million under
cap projected 109
a noah stretch gets you to 43
you need to somehow get to around 60 million to get 2 max slots...
It is easier to trade Lee than any of the others
Now ur set for 2019
OKC would never do this.
kp-17
thjr-17
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thomas 1
knox-4
19 first-4-7
78 million
roughly 31 million under
cap projected 109
a noah stretch gets you to 43
you need to somehow get to around 60 million to get 2 max slots...
At that point, if you have a second max guy you really want, you can attach an asset to send Tim packing or a sign and trade around Tim with the team losing the player. Lee, you either dump for nothing or you can even stretch him too.
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19 first-4-7
78 million
roughly 31 million under
cap projected 109
a noah stretch gets you to 43
you need to somehow get to around 60 million to get 2 max slots...
At that point, if you have a second max guy you really want, you can attach an asset to send Tim packing or a sign and trade around Tim with the team losing the player. Lee, you either dump for nothing or you can even stretch him too.
can only stretch 1 player at a time...
but yeah not crazy to thunk knicks can get 2 max
if you didnt have to give up frank, knox or kp to get him i think you do it...
you then go into free agent meetings with butler and kp
if you didnt have to give up frank, knox or kp to get him i think you do it...
you then go into free agent meetings with butler and kp
Without giving up Frank, Knox, or KP they would have to give up the 2019 first in the trade. I am not sure it would be worth it to give up a potential top 3 pick when you could potentially just wait until next summer and make a run at Butler as a free agent.
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and it is a reasonable deal, they should go after butler, if it guarantees you irving...
if you didnt have to give up frank, knox or kp to get him i think you do it...
you then go into free agent meetings with butler and kp
Without giving up Frank, Knox, or KP they would have to give up the 2019 first in the trade. I am not sure it would be worth it to give up a potential top 3 pick when you could potentially just wait until next summer and make a run at Butler as a free agent.
if it guaranteed you irving and butler, and you got to keep your core together?
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and it is a reasonable deal, they should go after butler, if it guarantees you irving...
if you didnt have to give up frank, knox or kp to get him i think you do it...
you then go into free agent meetings with butler and kp
Without giving up Frank, Knox, or KP they would have to give up the 2019 first in the trade. I am not sure it would be worth it to give up a potential top 3 pick when you could potentially just wait until next summer and make a run at Butler as a free agent.
if it guaranteed you irving and butler, and you got to keep your core together?
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I think I would rather have KP, Frank, Knox, and RJ Barrett/Zion Williamson with the opportunity to bring in 2 max guys next summer in free agency. It would be similar to what the Lakers are doing, yeah they didn't get two max guys yet but they have Lebron and thus far are showing patience to wait to add the second guy next summer.
Personally id rather wait and take my 1% chance with KD and go from there. Might still end up with Irving/Butler and keeping our assets. It would probably cost less assets to move the THJR deal then it would take to acquire Butler.
Plus i see no way we can get butler without giving up Frank and/or Knox along with the 2019 first.
Personally id rather wait and take my 1% chance with KD and go from there. Might still end up with Irving/Butler and keeping our assets. It would probably cost less assets to move the THJR deal then it would take to acquire Butler.
Plus i see no way we can get butler without giving up Frank and/or Knox along with the 2019 first.
that is why i said inly if it didnt cost a ton because right now you do not have 2 maxes, you have 1 and maybe a half...
this would guarantee you room for 2..
Kyrie, when healthy, is a superstar. But his injuries concern me.
Kyrie, when healthy, is a superstar. But his injuries concern me.
Another reason I think there might be some actual legs to it is that Bill Simmons has had Kevin Durant on his podcast 4 or 5 times, and has also had Kleiman on by himself. Simmons has mentioned multiple times that Durant wants to be the one to "save the Knicks." He seems like he has a pretty good relationship with Durant, so I doubt he would just be saying that if unless he was actually hearing it to be a thing.
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I don't think KD is the pipe dream people are making it out to be. Rich Kleiman, his business partner, is a big time Knicks fan & is very close to Mills. I'm not saying the Knicks are the favorites at all, but I don't think it's completely crazy.
Kyrie, when healthy, is a superstar. But his injuries concern me.
Another reason I think there might be some actual legs to it is that Bill Simmons has had Kevin Durant on his podcast 4 or 5 times, and has also had Kleiman on by himself. Simmons has mentioned multiple times that Durant wants to be the one to "save the Knicks." He seems like he has a pretty good relationship with Durant, so I doubt he would just be saying that if unless he was actually hearing it to be a thing.
Mike, I listened to those podcasts too. Again, I don't think the NYK are favorites or anything, but they'll get a meeting & if they have a nice foundation, i.e. KP, Knox, etc. & are able to land another superstar like Irving or Butler, they'll be an appealing option. Imagine being the man who turned the Knicks around? He'd be a freaking legend.
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I don't think KD is the pipe dream people are making it out to be. Rich Kleiman, his business partner, is a big time Knicks fan & is very close to Mills. I'm not saying the Knicks are the favorites at all, but I don't think it's completely crazy.
Kyrie, when healthy, is a superstar. But his injuries concern me.
Another reason I think there might be some actual legs to it is that Bill Simmons has had Kevin Durant on his podcast 4 or 5 times, and has also had Kleiman on by himself. Simmons has mentioned multiple times that Durant wants to be the one to "save the Knicks." He seems like he has a pretty good relationship with Durant, so I doubt he would just be saying that if unless he was actually hearing it to be a thing.
I agree with this. Like Lebron, there have been rumblings that Durant isn’t all that happy in GS and if you read Lowe’s article from June he sounds like a guy that gets bored easily and wants to be challenged. That may sound silly since he took the easiest path to a ring but he wanted to be challenged in terms of his role, learning how to dominate without the offense running through him and taking advantage of his skills with those pieces there.
Once you win 3 rings, there’s nothing left to accomplish and i’d imagine that he’d want to go somewhere else and try and play with different guys that complement him in a new city and system (at some point, maybe not next year). The Knicks could offer him the chance to play in a fast-paced offense, with long defenders and some shooting. It’d be the perfect place for him to play the Lebron role and have the offense run through him. Not to mention he seems to care about his off the field business interests and other than SF, NY is the best place to do it.
I don’t see how the Lakers were in a better spot than the Knicks will be in next year. They’ll have the assets to go after another superstar if the opportunity arises and will be a year away from more cap space. What they have that the Lakers don’t is a guy on the cusp of superstardom who’s already a star and easily can slot in with anyone and the opportunity to create a legacy in NY that would rival Lebron’s in Cleveland. Durant is despised by OKC and isn’t beloved by Warrior fans in the way that their homegrown stars (especially Curry) are. He’ll never get the respect from his experience there that guys typically get with a resume like that.
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KD, the people around him, and the league have to realize how huge it would be to have him in NY, Lebron in LA, Curry & co in the Bay area, Harden in Houston, Simmons/Embiid in Philly, and a strong Boston team. That has to be the dream scenario for Silver, probably the only thing that could make it better is if Anthony Davis were to return for a homecoming in Chicago. It just makes too much sense for everyone for Durant to leave the Warriors after completing the 3peat.
Big on the Fiz hire (preferred Bud) but Fiz is a salesman. That's his thing. Doesn't mean he can't coach but he sells himself and his bravado quite well (see his ridiculously hot wife).
Knicks fans this year should be big warrior fans. If they win another, I find it more likely that they'll leave to go for a new challenge.
If KD & Dubs win a 3rd title, the odds increase that he looks to go elsewhere.
When you're good enough to reach the peak of the profession, most people at that level are very confident.
D'antoni's proven himself to be an excellent coach, as well. It's hard to find a way to dismiss what he's done with Houston.
god knows
i think he exagerates what he hears
I'd have to seriously consider that, since it would still leave the Knicks with a max next offseason.
Lonzo, Deng, Kuzma, 1sts.
Lonzo, Deng, Kuzma, 1sts.
lakera will not give up kuzma...
supposedly he said lillard only wants to go to lakers or knicks if portland does nlt add anyone...
lillard was pissed when they let ed davis go
wait so you pass on the oppurtunity to add onenof the top point guards in the game and still have max money to add a 3rd piece?
the object is to get stars, so you would rather wait and hope you draft one rather than getting a pkayer that is already one?
But again, Lillard has 0 leverage here.
But keeping the picks means you have a chance to get a top 3 pick next offseason which could develop into a 2nd star as well as (potentially) the cap room to add two other stars from: Irving/Butler/Thompson/Durant/etc.
If we are trotting a starting lineup of Kanter, Tim Hardaway, Lee and two 19 year olds out there for 60 games until KP gets back I don't see how they win more than 15 games without him. The team was a disaster after KP went down last year, and I don't see any reason that they would be substantially better.
On top of that you figure they will work KP back slowly and have him on some type of minutes restriction to start. So best case scenario they win half of their games with him, bringing the season total up to 25 or so? With teams like Dallas, Phoenix and Memphis looking to be improved this year I think we should be realistically expecting a top 5 pick.
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I’m not trading young pieces. Pass. Keep the rebuild coming. If you add him you probably won’t get a top 5 pick. Keep the pace, suck, add another young gun and move forward.
wait so you pass on the oppurtunity to add onenof the top point guards in the game and still have max money to add a 3rd piece?
the object is to get stars, so you would rather wait and hope you draft one rather than getting a pkayer that is already one?
It would take too much to get him. You are talking Frank, Knox, a 1st round pick and Lee. Maybe more.
The main downside is his age. He'll be 29 in 2019. But at least you're not trading assets like you would with Lilliard and you he's less of an injury risk than Kyrie. He's currently in the last year of his contract making $12 million.
The main downside is his age. He'll be 29 in 2019. But at least you're not trading assets like you would with Lilliard and you he's less of an injury risk than Kyrie. He's currently in the last year of his contract making $12 million.
Absolutely. Durant, KP (healthy), Kemba Walker, Frank, Knox, Robinson, Draft pick, and whomever else they ca bring in can compete with Boston in the east
also has anyone seen the new "uncle drew" sneakers? on the bottom it has blue and orange dots on it..
this is probably like when we saw the orange and blue bird in the lebron commercials
also has anyone seen the new "uncle drew" sneakers? on the bottom it has blue and orange dots on it..
this is probably like when we saw the orange and blue bird in the lebron commercials
The video that Beckham posted where he put the shoes in a bowl of cereal and pretended to eat it was one of the lamest things I’ve watched in a while, but I did take note of the color of the shoes. Definitely was odd that the shoes were Knicks colors.
Of course, I actually think he is a perfect fit on the Lakers and they can offer a better package.
The Knicks have 16 players — one over the max — under contract for next season, but still have the $3.3 million biannual exception and $2.1 million left over from their mid-level exception that they were expected to use on Robinson for strategic purposes. They still are considering adding a rebounding power forward. Kyle O’Quinn still is on the market after opting out of his Knicks contract last month. The 76ers, who were interested in O’Quinn, have filled up their roster. The Knicks could go over the cap to sign O’Quinn for a one-year deal. Michael Beasley is out of play after the signing of Mario Hezonja. The Knicks also inquired about Suns power forward Alan Williams.
“I know they’re still looking to do a few things,” Fizdale said. “I know we still got a little room to do some things. I wouldn’t close the door on that. I ain’t saying we’re closing the door on that but, honestly, right now I’m kinda out of the loop.”
But you can see how he's a different player than a guy like Dotson, who is a very good defender and a really good athlete. But Dotson lacks that creativity and slashing style Offensively, Trier fits the modern game. He might even be a decent ball handler in the pick and roll. Very interested to see him in the summer league.
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But you can see how he's a different player than a guy like Dotson, who is a very good defender and a really good athlete. But Dotson lacks that creativity and slashing style Offensively, Trier fits the modern game. He might even be a decent ball handler in the pick and roll. Very interested to see him in the summer league. Link - ( New Window )
if all goes perfect for trier henis jamal crawford or lou williams 6th man of the year type...
Knicks will still be ok because they are going to get Kyrie and they will be an attractive destination for others after that. If they play their cards right, they may be able to get Butler too next year. Kyrie is going to be a Knick, I'd bet on it.
Knicks will still be ok because they are going to get Kyrie and they will be an attractive destination for others after that. If they play their cards right, they may be able to get Butler too next year. Kyrie is going to be a Knick, I'd bet on it.
i think durant is more likely to go to la than come to new york
highly doubt he is traded, even if he is it will not be the knicks...
knicks are waiting for irving in my opinion, and i think they got assurances behind the scenes...
key for knicks is to try and clear more salary if butler really wants to come to...
If he goes to LAL, it might help a little, but he'll still be LeBron's sidekick.
If he wants to go down as a top 10 (or even top 20) player all time, he needs to win a championship as the sure fire lead dog. There are plenty of teams, besides the Knicks, he can join that would fit that description but he would reach legendary status (at least in NY) if he even brought them to the title game. NYK is also one of the few that will have the cap space to (potentially) add a 2nd star and has an up and coming star in KP not to mention lottery pick Knox, Frank and (hopefully) a top 5 pick in 2019.
KP/KD/KI alone would be the favorites in the weak East. Add in Knox/Frank and a top 5 pick and they could potentially compete with the West's elite.
Still probably a pipe dream, but I think their best chance to land KD is to sell him on his legacy.
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He's being wasted in Portland, but why in the world would they trade him? Maybe in 2 years, maybe, but its not happening.
highly doubt he is traded, even if he is it will not be the knicks...
knicks are waiting for irving in my opinion, and i think they got assurances behind the scenes...
key for knicks is to try and clear more salary if butler really wants to come to...
Agreed on all. Its pretty obvious that Kyrie is a real possibility. He mentioned the Knicks when he was being traded from Cle and that was when we looked less attractive than we do now. He's in a perfect situation in Boston and he's still talking about leaving. The Knicks can't strike out next offseason and they will go after the surest thing as opposed to the longshots. Kyrie is coming home, lets hope we can convince someone else to come with him!
It’s probably a combination of things but at least part of it is he just doesn’t seem to like living in San Antonio very much
I've lost some respect for him. He's being way too sensitive. It seems like he's using this as an excuse to get out of SA. He came across as a quiet, no ego, go about your business kind of guy, but clearly that's not who he really is. He's being a bit of a b*tch. Apparently he's upset that they didn't take his injury seriously enough last year and Parker called him out.
But everything I've read implied this was just the end of the road and this was boiling over, nothing seems to really explain how they got there. It doesn't really matter it's just so mysterious.
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Where they essentially questioned his commitment was a breaking point. I can't blame him that. If all my coworkers questioned my character like that, it's be hard to pretend that never happened. And at the behest of my coach?
But everything I've read implied this was just the end of the road and this was boiling over, nothing seems to really explain how they got there. It doesn't really matter it's just so mysterious.
there was a report that he was mad the sours talked about giving him a little bit less than max..
if you are the lakers do you take the risk again and wait until free agency?
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told the Spurs would deal Leonard to LAL but Ingram MUST be included. You know Ingram will become a star with SAS
if you are the lakers do you take the risk again and wait until free agency?
I think it makes a lot more sense for the Lakers to wait. Even with Kawhi, you aren't beating the Warriors this year anyway. Sure you run the risk that Leonard decides to take the super max from the Spurs or signs elsewhere, but why does it have to be Kawhi or bust?
Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Boogie Cousins (presumably healthy by then) and others will all be free agents. If you miss out on Kawhi there is still a good chance you can attract one of the other guys.
Kristaps Porzingis' surgeon, Dr. David Altchek, said Porzingis' ACL tear type has 'the best prognosis' for healing because there was no cartilage or ligament damage.
This is good news for the Knicks, as it limits the complications Porzingis may encounter as he rehabs his knee. The timetable for KP's return to the court is still up in the air, but it is safe to assume we won't see him make his 2018-19 debut until after Christmas, with early February as the more likely target date.
The key is the cartilage damage. This should be a nice easy recovery for the big guy. He will be ready to go early in the season, but I wonder if they are going to hold him out and be extra cautious.
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how lame
would save knicks 30 million for 19...
add a pick if you had to
i also want to see if franknis more agressive and can run an offense, at least run the pick and roll..
knox i want to see how he handles the ball, he is going to have the chance to go out and be the leading scorer again, i want to see him create, i also want to see defense..
dotson i just want to see consistency i think he could be a trevor ariza 3 and d guy...
robinson i just want to see him play his game, run and jump right now, i dont want to see him forcing up shots...
trier is a scorer a flat out scorer, when he comes in just go out and score..
Mikal was lights out. Quick release and can shoot off-balance. Prob a 3 and D guy only though. Jaren Jackson has a weird release but everything was going in for him the first night.
I don’t particularly like Lonnie Walker but Derrick White can play, wow. Good shot and great vision.
But again, Lillard has 0 leverage here.
Knicks aren’t in a position of strength just yet where they can do one of these two for one deals and deem it a no brainer. As a matter of fact That lilliard deal is anything but a no brainer.
No two for ones unless the one you’re getting is a franchise altering player. Lilliard is very good but he’s not that.
Stay the course. Add assets with an emphasis on ADD.
i think we are all nervous about another melo deal but if you make a deal where there is still a max slot available it hopefully will not hurt you...
This rebuild is now entering year 3. Hang in there for one more year then we can proudly say we witnessed a three year NY Knicks rebuild. This has literally never ever happened in my rooting lifetime, which spans over 30 years. Every time the Knicks seemed to invest in the rebuild they inexplicably took a risk halfway into it and the move inevitably blew up in their face.
Knicks need to get to point where they’d be dealing from a position of strength and not weakness. There’s a reason why Boston makes good deal after good deal lately. They don’t have to settle or beg or risk anything.
Knicks don’t even have to sign two maxes or even one max next summer. Add players that fit. When a great player avails himself make a move but they can’t sign one guy don’t panic and overpay someone else.
All I keep hearing is 2019 and we have to do stretch this guy or dump that guy. That line of thinking got us in trouble in the first place. They dumped Crawford and Randolph. How’d that turn out? They stretched Chauncey billups. Again, how’d that work out? I’d only stretch Noah if it was the difference between getting an excellent player or not. Even then I’d try everything other than the stretch.
The flip side is they’d still be picking high in a draft that may not possess the depth that would allow a team picking 7-10 to land a good player, like we hopefully did these last two years. Knox might have gone much higher in a weaker draft.
Not to mention we were discussing how weak the KP/Towns draft was at this time of the year only to do a 180 by March. A lot can happen in 8 months. Even if nothing happens I’d rather be picking high in a crappy draft than not.
People were calling the Towns/Porzingis draft weak going into that season as well. Let’s let the kids play some college basketball before we decide how deep the class is.