I like what the Knicks are doing. Perry/Fizdale appears to finally be adding some credibility & patience to this franchise. Both Perry & Mills have been stressing the importance of not skipping steps during the rebuilding process, but the NBA is a veteran league still. Young players (if the pan out) and that is a big if, need to be supplemented by veteran stars to truly compete.
With all this said, next year is a very strong FA class and NYK will have cap room for a max contract to pair with KP. Hopefully guys like Frank & Knox can develop as well. My question is this, who is worth it? Back in 2010 moves were forced to save face, it was not an option to maintain cap flexibility, instead overpaying for Amare & forcing the Melo trade. It didn’t work.
Nothing sets you back more than overpaying in the NBA, it destroys teams.
Is Kyrie worth it? It reminds me of McDyess with his knee history. It could be very risky.
Jimmy Butler? Can he be a piece that helps contend for a title? I don’t know.
Klay Thompson? Eh.
Kawhi Leonard? Feels destined for LA.
Kevin Durant? Probably a pipe dream.
I know the Knicks can’t star chase, but stars are needed to win in the NBA. Developing through the draft is great, but it’s unlikely we will hit on all picks & you could be looking at another 4-5 years at minimum.
How would you spend next years cap money, if at all?
Kyrie I would stay far away from.
So Noah's contract crushes them for a full year after it expires? That's an interesting tidbit that I hadn't considered previously.
Noah’s contract has 2 years remaining.
Is Kyrie an injury risk at this point? I think it’s a legitimate question to ask.
Is Kyrie an injury risk at this point? I think it’s a legitimate question to ask.
he didnt get hurt again, he had things put in his knee when he got hurt in cleveland, they went in to take it out, they were going to in off season butnit started bothering his knee, when he got that taken out his knee got infected and they had to go back in...
there was no new injury
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I know they can get a max player. But that is just one person. The Noah signing is still crushing them. And will for 3 more years. Plus THJ contract. They will be luckily if they can move Lee. With the rumors or butler and Kylie wanting to play so badly together that would be great to add to kp if Knox and Frank develop and with another lottery pick following this year. But to make that possible they will need to find desperate trade partners to take one of THJ or Noah which is close to 0%.
Noah’s contract has 2 years remaining.
My bad I was thinking quickly 18 season, 19 season, and 20 season. But obviously the season overlap. Just going on the fact still that he kills them in adding a second max player in next years class. Its amazing that type of player would stop you from signing a top 25 talent player in the league.
I would love to know what his other offers were at the time of his signing if any. That contract is insane.
They will have 1 year left on Noahs deal at which point he becomes an expiring contract to deal in offseason or by trade deadline.
The odds are the Knicks will be a bottom 3-5 team this season. KP will likely lay no meaningful time and go into 2019 as a question mark. Odds are no meaningful free agent will want to come here. The Knicks will have to prove it it in 2020.
2020 is their shot. They will have KP fully healthy and returned. They will be in Frank’s 3rd year and he hopefully will be a viable contributing starter. They will be in Knox’s 2nd year and hopefully he will have developed into a viable and contributing starter. They will have a top 5 rookie draft pick. They will be 2 years into Fizdale who has hopefully developed a culture and chemistry.
That team will hopefully be a playoff contender. They should have plenty of cap room with Noah’s expiring. That team can attract a grade A free agent
Knicks would be foolish to stretch Noah.
you cant
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
With that said, the Knicks need to make Durant their top priority next season. If he would be willing to come by himself to play alongside KP, Knox, Ntilikina then great, but if he would require a running mate, then you do everything in your power to move Lee, Noah, Hardaway in order to create additional space to make it happen.
In order to open up the cap space next year they have to delay paying KP. I wouldn't be surprised if they took this course of action, struck out, and KP left for another team, regardless of how good the "new relationship" is.
I still firmly believe, that if KP is willing to sign a contract similar to Embiid's, the Knicks should do it posthaste. Then if they can be a bit more patient, they can let Noah's contract and others fall of naturally and try for free agents in 2020.
With that said, the Knicks need to make Durant their top priority next season. If he would be willing to come by himself to play alongside KP, Knox, Ntilikina then great, but if he would require a running mate, then you do everything in your power to move Lee, Noah, Hardaway in order to create additional space to make it happen.
it seems like a lot smoke around irving and butler
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
I don't think thats right. This article is from last December but uses Noah as an example.
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In order to open up the cap space next year they have to delay paying KP. I wouldn't be surprised if they took this course of action, struck out, and KP left for another team, regardless of how good the "new relationship" is.
I still firmly believe, that if KP is willing to sign a contract similar to Embiid's, the Knicks should do it posthaste. Then if they can be a bit more patient, they can let Noah's contract and others fall of naturally and try for free agents in 2020.
waiting until next year is the smartest thing the knicks can do whether they sign a max or not...
firsg off you have no idea how kp will come back from his injury...
second it gives the knicks an extra 10 million in salary next year...
third he would be a restricted free agent he is going nowhere
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
I don't think thats right. This article is from last December but uses Noah as an example. NBA Stretch Provision - ( New Window )
did you read the article?
it cleaely states if a player is in his final year the stretch provision does not apply
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no use stretching Noah until next offseason, if it comes to that.
you cant
You can stretch a guy in the final year of his contract as long as it is before September 1st. If a player is waived between July 1st and August 31st the remaining salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years on the deal +1. So in Noah's case they could stretch it over 3 years.
mike that is this year, if you waive him september 1st it is 3 years...
i dont knkw how it works for next year..
I don't think thats right. This article is from last December but uses Noah as an example. NBA Stretch Provision - ( New Window )
did you read the article?
it cleaely states if a player is in his final year the stretch provision does not apply
Yea I read it, if he is waived before September 1st he can still be stretched.
"Note: If a player in the final year of his contract is waived between September 1 and June 30, the stretch provision does not apply."
firsg off you have no idea how kp will come back from his injury...
second it gives the knicks an extra 10 million in salary next year...
third he would be a restricted free agent he is going nowhere
I was under the impression that Embiid's contract protected the Sixer's if a pre-existing injury flared up. I was hoping that the Knicks could do the same.
As for KP not going anywhere, I hope so, but he gives me Kyrie / Paul George / Kawhi vibes.
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firsg off you have no idea how kp will come back from his injury...
second it gives the knicks an extra 10 million in salary next year...
third he would be a restricted free agent he is going nowhere
I was under the impression that Embiid's contract protected the Sixer's if a pre-existing injury flared up. I was hoping that the Knicks could do the same.
As for KP not going anywhere, I hope so, but he gives me Kyrie / Paul George / Kawhi vibes.
Every one of those guys signed their second contract with the team that drafted them.
You worry too much.
Why stretch him this September? Wait it out... maybe stretch him next September if needed but only if needed.
Every one of those guys signed their second contract with the team that drafted them.
True, though I was referring to how they acted before leaving their teams, or in Kawhi's case before demanding a trade. I could be completely wrong. I hope I am. I guess I'm just the type of person who would rather play it safe with KP and be patient for one extra season with free agents.
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12 million off the cap with a 6 million cap hit for 3 years...
Why stretch him this September? Wait it out... maybe stretch him next September if needed but only if needed.
first off once september hits next year you cant stretch...
and you need to stretch him to get max money next july
hicks had nothing to do with robinson, they were not signing robinson to a 2 way contract
Or similarly, if you are Minnesota and are going to lose Jimmy Butler anyway, would you take on the last year of Noah's deal in a sign and trade with a couple assets attached rather than lose him for nothing? If not Noah, maybe they would be interested in Hardaway.
The point is, if the Knicks have agreements in place for 2 max free agents, they should have plenty of options to make room because there are more teams with cap space available than there are big ticket free agents.
Klay is a nice player but is also a NO. He would turn 30 during his first year with Knicks. He is the 3rd option on a very good team. Without Curry, he won't get the same open looks.
Durant and Kawhi would be great but Knicks have no chance.
Kyrie is a risk but I think Knicks could get him. He would also be only 27.I'd do it.
Kyrie, Porzingas, THJR and the young guys would be a legit contender in the East. Once you are a contender, it is easier to attract free agents.
Cousins might also be a possibility.
Not saying it absolutely couldn't happen, but it is very unlikely to happen. It is a fantasy that beaten-down Knick fans like to entertain. But it is not realistic.
He’s got 38 million left. If they stretch him in Sept then it’s 7.5 million over 5 years I don’t think they stretch him until next year
Not sure that I’m correct onbthis NYG16
Imagine Davis and KP
Now the Knicks would be set for 4-5 years as a major contender
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12 million off the cap with a 6 million cap hit for 3 years...
He’s got 38 million left. If they stretch him in Sept then it’s 7.5 million over 5 years I don’t think they stretch him until next year
Not sure that I’m correct onbthis NYG16
september 1st it is 3 years
love to get 2 max slots...
2 max slots with kp frank knox and another first round pick and fizdale has to be able to recruit 2 guys
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don't have enough cap room, if Durant leaves GS, I imagine NYK is the favorite. Multiple reporters have been hinting as much.
love to get 2 max slots...
2 max slots with kp frank knox and another first round pick and fizdale has to be able to recruit 2 guys
Agreed. They really need to move at least 1, probably 2 of Noah, Hardaway, Noah.