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NFT: 4th of July NYK chat re: 2019 cap room

Sean : 7/4/2018 8:59 am
I like what the Knicks are doing. Perry/Fizdale appears to finally be adding some credibility & patience to this franchise. Both Perry & Mills have been stressing the importance of not skipping steps during the rebuilding process, but the NBA is a veteran league still. Young players (if the pan out) and that is a big if, need to be supplemented by veteran stars to truly compete.

With all this said, next year is a very strong FA class and NYK will have cap room for a max contract to pair with KP. Hopefully guys like Frank & Knox can develop as well. My question is this, who is worth it? Back in 2010 moves were forced to save face, it was not an option to maintain cap flexibility, instead overpaying for Amare & forcing the Melo trade. It didn’t work.

Nothing sets you back more than overpaying in the NBA, it destroys teams.

Is Kyrie worth it? It reminds me of McDyess with his knee history. It could be very risky.

Jimmy Butler? Can he be a piece that helps contend for a title? I don’t know.

Klay Thompson? Eh.

Kawhi Leonard? Feels destined for LA.

Kevin Durant? Probably a pipe dream.

I know the Knicks can’t star chase, but stars are needed to win in the NBA. Developing through the draft is great, but it’s unlikely we will hit on all picks & you could be looking at another 4-5 years at minimum.

How would you spend next years cap money, if at all?
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Regarding getting 2 max type players  
RomanWH : 7/5/2018 6:40 pm : link
would you guys settle for getting 1 max guy like KD and a lesser but talented player like Kemba Walker? He's played an average of 80 games the last 3 seasons in Charlotte, is from the Bronx, and who could forget the memorable run he had at MSG when he was at UConn?

The main downside is his age. He'll be 29 in 2019. But at least you're not trading assets like you would with Lilliard and you he's less of an injury risk than Kyrie. He's currently in the last year of his contract making $12 million.
RE: Regarding getting 2 max type players  
TommyWiseau : 7/5/2018 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14007224 RomanWH said:
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would you guys settle for getting 1 max guy like KD and a lesser but talented player like Kemba Walker? He's played an average of 80 games the last 3 seasons in Charlotte, is from the Bronx, and who could forget the memorable run he had at MSG when he was at UConn?

The main downside is his age. He'll be 29 in 2019. But at least you're not trading assets like you would with Lilliard and you he's less of an injury risk than Kyrie. He's currently in the last year of his contract making $12 million.


Absolutely. Durant, KP (healthy), Kemba Walker, Frank, Knox, Robinson, Draft pick, and whomever else they ca bring in can compete with Boston in the east
The real question  
TommyWiseau : 7/5/2018 7:06 pm : link
Is how much will Kemba command?
means abaolutely nothing but i found it interesting  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 7:49 am : link
kyrie irving sent beckham blue and orange sneakers....

also has anyone seen the new "uncle drew" sneakers? on the bottom it has blue and orange dots on it..

this is probably like when we saw the orange and blue bird in the lebron commercials
RE: means abaolutely nothing but i found it interesting  
Mike in NJ : 7/6/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14007285 nygiants16 said:
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kyrie irving sent beckham blue and orange sneakers....

also has anyone seen the new "uncle drew" sneakers? on the bottom it has blue and orange dots on it..

this is probably like when we saw the orange and blue bird in the lebron commercials


The video that Beckham posted where he put the shoes in a bowl of cereal and pretended to eat it was one of the lamest things I’ve watched in a while, but I did take note of the color of the shoes. Definitely was odd that the shoes were Knicks colors.
SAS  
Pete44 : 7/6/2018 8:56 am : link
reported last night that Damian Lillard might demand a trade and prefers the Knicks or Lakers.

Of course, I actually think he is a perfect fit on the Lakers and they can offer a better package.
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2018 10:04 am : link
Fizdale called rookie shooting guard Allonzo Trier of Arizona “an assassin. I see Lou Williams. The guy is a scorer. He knows one thing, that’s getting buckets.’’ … Lottery pick Kevin Knox signed his rookie contract that starts at $3.7 million.

The Knicks have 16 players — one over the max — under contract for next season, but still have the $3.3 million biannual exception and $2.1 million left over from their mid-level exception that they were expected to use on Robinson for strategic purposes. They still are considering adding a rebounding power forward. Kyle O’Quinn still is on the market after opting out of his Knicks contract last month. The 76ers, who were interested in O’Quinn, have filled up their roster. The Knicks could go over the cap to sign O’Quinn for a one-year deal. Michael Beasley is out of play after the signing of Mario Hezonja. The Knicks also inquired about Suns power forward Alan Williams.

“I know they’re still looking to do a few things,” Fizdale said. “I know we still got a little room to do some things. I wouldn’t close the door on that. I ain’t saying we’re closing the door on that but, honestly, right now I’m kinda out of the loop.”
Interesting video I found of Trier from his sophomore year  
Heisenberg : 7/6/2018 10:25 am : link
It's titled Trier vs Lonz Ball, but they're not matched up that often. But if you watch it you can see how he really has a nose for scoring. Lots of really creative finishing around the hoop in this video. You can see how he looks like an NBA level scorer. The question with this guy is if he's athletic enough to do that in the NBA and if he can play enough D to make his offense a benefit to the team.

But you can see how he's a different player than a guy like Dotson, who is a very good defender and a really good athlete. But Dotson lacks that creativity and slashing style Offensively, Trier fits the modern game. He might even be a decent ball handler in the pick and roll. Very interested to see him in the summer league.
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RE: Interesting video I found of Trier from his sophomore year  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 14007364 Heisenberg said:
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It's titled Trier vs Lonz Ball, but they're not matched up that often. But if you watch it you can see how he really has a nose for scoring. Lots of really creative finishing around the hoop in this video. You can see how he looks like an NBA level scorer. The question with this guy is if he's athletic enough to do that in the NBA and if he can play enough D to make his offense a benefit to the team.

But you can see how he's a different player than a guy like Dotson, who is a very good defender and a really good athlete. But Dotson lacks that creativity and slashing style Offensively, Trier fits the modern game. He might even be a decent ball handler in the pick and roll. Very interested to see him in the summer league. Link - ( New Window )


if all goes perfect for trier henis jamal crawford or lou williams 6th man of the year type...
Knicks aren't getting lillard or durant.  
Keith : 7/6/2018 10:40 am : link
Stop setting yourselves up for disappointment!

Knicks will still be ok because they are going to get Kyrie and they will be an attractive destination for others after that. If they play their cards right, they may be able to get Butler too next year. Kyrie is going to be a Knick, I'd bet on it.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2018 10:42 am : link
know Fiz is talking out of his ass but his proposed lineup (at least initially) would easily be the worst in the NBA.
RE: Knicks aren't getting lillard or durant.  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 14007378 Keith said:
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Stop setting yourselves up for disappointment!

Knicks will still be ok because they are going to get Kyrie and they will be an attractive destination for others after that. If they play their cards right, they may be able to get Butler too next year. Kyrie is going to be a Knick, I'd bet on it.


i think durant is more likely to go to la than come to new york
Lillard is a stud.  
Keith : 7/6/2018 10:46 am : link
He's being wasted in Portland, but why in the world would they trade him? Maybe in 2 years, maybe, but its not happening.
RE: Lillard is a stud.  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14007386 Keith said:
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He's being wasted in Portland, but why in the world would they trade him? Maybe in 2 years, maybe, but its not happening.


highly doubt he is traded, even if he is it will not be the knicks...

knicks are waiting for irving in my opinion, and i think they got assurances behind the scenes...

key for knicks is to try and clear more salary if butler really wants to come to...

Durant  
giants#1 : 7/6/2018 10:52 am : link
Depends how he wants his legacy viewed, particularly when talking about the all-time greats. If he stays in GS, he'll forever be discredited as just being a part of one of the most loaded teams ever.

If he goes to LAL, it might help a little, but he'll still be LeBron's sidekick.

If he wants to go down as a top 10 (or even top 20) player all time, he needs to win a championship as the sure fire lead dog. There are plenty of teams, besides the Knicks, he can join that would fit that description but he would reach legendary status (at least in NY) if he even brought them to the title game. NYK is also one of the few that will have the cap space to (potentially) add a 2nd star and has an up and coming star in KP not to mention lottery pick Knox, Frank and (hopefully) a top 5 pick in 2019.

KP/KD/KI alone would be the favorites in the weak East. Add in Knox/Frank and a top 5 pick and they could potentially compete with the West's elite.

Still probably a pipe dream, but I think their best chance to land KD is to sell him on his legacy.
RE: RE: Lillard is a stud.  
Keith : 7/6/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 14007388 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14007386 Keith said:


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He's being wasted in Portland, but why in the world would they trade him? Maybe in 2 years, maybe, but its not happening.



highly doubt he is traded, even if he is it will not be the knicks...

knicks are waiting for irving in my opinion, and i think they got assurances behind the scenes...

key for knicks is to try and clear more salary if butler really wants to come to...


Agreed on all. Its pretty obvious that Kyrie is a real possibility. He mentioned the Knicks when he was being traded from Cle and that was when we looked less attractive than we do now. He's in a perfect situation in Boston and he's still talking about leaving. The Knicks can't strike out next offseason and they will go after the surest thing as opposed to the longshots. Kyrie is coming home, lets hope we can convince someone else to come with him!
Can  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2018 11:04 am : link
anyone explain to me why Leonard hates the spurs so much? I've yet to read a piece that touches on this. Just that the breaking point was teammates dumping on him but he supposedly has been really unhappy there for a few years?
Well, logic dictates that some players try to come east at some  
Heisenberg : 7/6/2018 11:05 am : link
point to avoid the crazy depth the western conf has. But the Knicks will have to compete with the Celts and Sixers as a destination.
RE: Can  
BigBlueShock : 7/6/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 14007403 DanMetroMan said:
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anyone explain to me why Leonard hates the spurs so much? I've yet to read a piece that touches on this. Just that the breaking point was teammates dumping on him but he supposedly has been really unhappy there for a few years?

It’s probably a combination of things but at least part of it is he just doesn’t seem to like living in San Antonio very much
RE: Can  
Keith : 7/6/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 14007403 DanMetroMan said:
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anyone explain to me why Leonard hates the spurs so much? I've yet to read a piece that touches on this. Just that the breaking point was teammates dumping on him but he supposedly has been really unhappy there for a few years?


I've lost some respect for him. He's being way too sensitive. It seems like he's using this as an excuse to get out of SA. He came across as a quiet, no ego, go about your business kind of guy, but clearly that's not who he really is. He's being a bit of a b*tch. Apparently he's upset that they didn't take his injury seriously enough last year and Parker called him out.
Sounded like the players meeting  
adamg : 7/6/2018 11:12 am : link
Where they essentially questioned his commitment was a breaking point. I can't blame him that. If all my coworkers questioned my character like that, it's be hard to pretend that never happened. And at the behest of my coach?
RE: Sounded like the players meeting  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 14007412 adamg said:
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Where they essentially questioned his commitment was a breaking point. I can't blame him that. If all my coworkers questioned my character like that, it's be hard to pretend that never happened. And at the behest of my coach?


But everything I've read implied this was just the end of the road and this was boiling over, nothing seems to really explain how they got there. It doesn't really matter it's just so mysterious.
KOQ  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2018 11:21 am : link
1 year 4.5 with Indiana, steal.
RE: RE: Sounded like the players meeting  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 11:25 am : link
In comment 14007415 DanMetroMan said:
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Where they essentially questioned his commitment was a breaking point. I can't blame him that. If all my coworkers questioned my character like that, it's be hard to pretend that never happened. And at the behest of my coach?



But everything I've read implied this was just the end of the road and this was boiling over, nothing seems to really explain how they got there. It doesn't really matter it's just so mysterious.


there was a report that he was mad the sours talked about giving him a little bit less than max..
Was  
DanMetroMan : 7/6/2018 11:26 am : link
told the Spurs would deal Leonard to LAL but Ingram MUST be included. You know Ingram will become a star with SAS
RE: Was  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 14007428 DanMetroMan said:
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told the Spurs would deal Leonard to LAL but Ingram MUST be included. You know Ingram will become a star with SAS


if you are the lakers do you take the risk again and wait until free agency?
RE: RE: Was  
Mike in NJ : 7/6/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 14007438 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14007428 DanMetroMan said:


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told the Spurs would deal Leonard to LAL but Ingram MUST be included. You know Ingram will become a star with SAS



if you are the lakers do you take the risk again and wait until free agency?


I think it makes a lot more sense for the Lakers to wait. Even with Kawhi, you aren't beating the Warriors this year anyway. Sure you run the risk that Leonard decides to take the super max from the Spurs or signs elsewhere, but why does it have to be Kawhi or bust?

Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Boogie Cousins (presumably healthy by then) and others will all be free agents. If you miss out on Kawhi there is still a good chance you can attract one of the other guys.
Good news re KP  
Keith : 7/6/2018 12:04 pm : link

Kristaps Porzingis' surgeon, Dr. David Altchek, said Porzingis' ACL tear type has 'the best prognosis' for healing because there was no cartilage or ligament damage.

This is good news for the Knicks, as it limits the complications Porzingis may encounter as he rehabs his knee. The timetable for KP's return to the court is still up in the air, but it is safe to assume we won't see him make his 2018-19 debut until after Christmas, with early February as the more likely target date.


The key is the cartilage damage. This should be a nice easy recovery for the big guy. He will be ready to go early in the season, but I wonder if they are going to hold him out and be extra cautious.
OKC and Melo expected to part ways this summer.  
Heisenberg : 7/6/2018 12:39 pm : link
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As the Oklahoma City Thunder navigate an historic $310 million payroll and luxury tax bill, the franchise's front office is working through scenarios that will culminate in the inevitable this summer: An ending to the brief Carmelo Anthony partnership, which could deliver the Thunder over $100 million in cost savings.

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KOQ to Pacers  
adamg : 7/6/2018 1:06 pm : link
1 year 4.5 mill

how lame
bulls match 80 million offer sheet from kings  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 10:08 pm : link
if i am knicks i call up offer lee and hardaway for shump...

would save knicks 30 million for 19...

add a pick if you had to
Its absolutely just SL  
ChaChing : 7/6/2018 10:32 pm : link
but I'm psyched to see Knox, Robinson & Trier ball this weekend. No matter what I keep moderate expectations, but they all have solid upside and are pretty damn athletic
RE: Its absolutely just SL  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2018 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14007873 ChaChing said:
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but I'm psyched to see Knox, Robinson & Trier ball this weekend. No matter what I keep moderate expectations, but they all have solid upside and are pretty damn athletic


i also want to see if franknis more agressive and can run an offense, at least run the pick and roll..

knox i want to see how he handles the ball, he is going to have the chance to go out and be the leading scorer again, i want to see him create, i also want to see defense..

dotson i just want to see consistency i think he could be a trevor ariza 3 and d guy...

robinson i just want to see him play his game, run and jump right now, i dont want to see him forcing up shots...

trier is a scorer a flat out scorer, when he comes in just go out and score..
Browsing through summer league games recently, some  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/7/2018 12:01 am : link
random observations: Young has to take contested long jumpers to score, he just can’t get around defenders. Sexton will be good, can get to any spot he wants. Very competitive too, sprained his ankle and came back anyway.

Mikal was lights out. Quick release and can shoot off-balance. Prob a 3 and D guy only though. Jaren Jackson has a weird release but everything was going in for him the first night.

I don’t particularly like Lonnie Walker but Derrick White can play, wow. Good shot and great vision.
RE: Lillard  
djm : 7/7/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14007142 Jon in NYC said:
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has 0 leverage, but he is a stud entering the prime of his career. If you can get him for Knox and a 1st, it's a no brainer.

But again, Lillard has 0 leverage here.


Knicks aren’t in a position of strength just yet where they can do one of these two for one deals and deem it a no brainer. As a matter of fact That lilliard deal is anything but a no brainer.

No two for ones unless the one you’re getting is a franchise altering player. Lilliard is very good but he’s not that.

Stay the course. Add assets with an emphasis on ADD.
KNicks are one year of hopeful and realistic development  
djm : 7/7/2018 12:45 pm : link
And one one more lottery pick from being able to proclaim that they have 3 young cost controlled talents (Frank, Knox and next years pick) and a soon to be signed long term young star in KP along with guys like Burke and the younger unknown bigs like this year’s second rounder and the some others. Get to that point first then and only then can the Knicks start mining for quality over quantity. Right now they need numbers.
Djm  
Carl in CT : 7/7/2018 12:48 pm : link
I made the same statement but NY16 also makes good points. One thing I think we all agree on by staying the rebuild it gives us options something we haven’t had in awhile. Now if we can get rid of Noah and Lee.
RE: Djm  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14008019 Carl in CT said:
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I made the same statement but NY16 also makes good points. One thing I think we all agree on by staying the rebuild it gives us options something we haven’t had in awhile. Now if we can get rid of Noah and Lee.


i think we are all nervous about another melo deal but if you make a deal where there is still a max slot available it hopefully will not hurt you...

And this is coming from someone who backed the melo deal  
djm : 7/7/2018 2:01 pm : link
and until recently backed nearly any deal that nets the Knicks a superstar. But we’re finally close to actually completing a legit rebuild. Not some bs plan that Donnie Walsh crafted where their sole mission was to ditch the “bad” contracts — meanwhile all they really accomplished in that span was draft one solid player in gallo. Everything else that regime did was crap. They virtually gave away damn good players in Zach Randolph and Crawford and gave away a draft pick just to ditch Jeffries. Big deal. They didn’t accomplish anything. And then in the end they sign stat....Such an overstated regime.

This rebuild is now entering year 3. Hang in there for one more year then we can proudly say we witnessed a three year NY Knicks rebuild. This has literally never ever happened in my rooting lifetime, which spans over 30 years. Every time the Knicks seemed to invest in the rebuild they inexplicably took a risk halfway into it and the move inevitably blew up in their face.

Knicks need to get to point where they’d be dealing from a position of strength and not weakness. There’s a reason why Boston makes good deal after good deal lately. They don’t have to settle or beg or risk anything.
watch  
MookGiants : 7/7/2018 2:07 pm : link
the Knicks be bad enough to land a top 3-4 pick next year. It would only make sense that the Knicks would be pitiful and get a high draft pick in a very weak draft class
And I know we have some bad contracts  
djm : 7/7/2018 2:11 pm : link
ANd during this rebuild Noah was signed here but they will have made three lottery picks in a row. To me that’s a rebuild — that’s all I got lol.

Knicks don’t even have to sign two maxes or even one max next summer. Add players that fit. When a great player avails himself make a move but they can’t sign one guy don’t panic and overpay someone else.

All I keep hearing is 2019 and we have to do stretch this guy or dump that guy. That line of thinking got us in trouble in the first place. They dumped Crawford and Randolph. How’d that turn out? They stretched Chauncey billups. Again, how’d that work out? I’d only stretch Noah if it was the difference between getting an excellent player or not. Even then I’d try everything other than the stretch.
RE: watch  
djm : 7/7/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14008041 MookGiants said:
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the Knicks be bad enough to land a top 3-4 pick next year. It would only make sense that the Knicks would be pitiful and get a high draft pick in a very weak draft class


The flip side is they’d still be picking high in a draft that may not possess the depth that would allow a team picking 7-10 to land a good player, like we hopefully did these last two years. Knox might have gone much higher in a weaker draft.

Not to mention we were discussing how weak the KP/Towns draft was at this time of the year only to do a 180 by March. A lot can happen in 8 months. Even if nothing happens I’d rather be picking high in a crappy draft than not.
That Chauncy Billups fiasco  
RomanWH : 7/7/2018 3:18 pm : link
was awful. Picking up his option only to use the amnesty on him. Totally stupid.
RE: watch  
Mike in NJ : 7/7/2018 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14008041 MookGiants said:
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the Knicks be bad enough to land a top 3-4 pick next year. It would only make sense that the Knicks would be pitiful and get a high draft pick in a very weak draft class


People were calling the Towns/Porzingis draft weak going into that season as well. Let’s let the kids play some college basketball before we decide how deep the class is.
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