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NFT: Yankees minors talk

Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 10:38 am
I wish I had the time to do a deep dive, but I figured I'd start the discussion. Right now pitching on the farm has been exceptional, and not just the standouts. Even with Freicer and Abreu hurt, they're getting great performances night in and night out.

Deivi Garcia down in Charleston, for instance, has started six games, thrown 24.2 innings, and recorded 38 Ks. That's more than half of his outs coming via strikeout.

Brandon Wagner had his 16th HR last night, leading the farm. He strikes out too much (the same is true of Dermis, Isiah Gilliam and a few others) but he's another guy who has emerged this year.

Anyone you guys are particularly interest in?
a couple of questions -  
Del Shofner : 7/5/2018 10:44 am : link
- are the high-drafted catchers getting any playing time yet, and if so how are they doing?

- any interesting players on the Pizza Rats (a/k/a Staten Island Yanks)? I may go over there to check out a game.
The Rays seem successful at  
section125 : 7/5/2018 10:50 am : link
bringing up young pitches early, and Loaisiga did well except for stamina. Why don't the Yanks bring up Sheffield or Adams?
Breaux just started getting into games...  
Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 10:51 am : link
nothing doing yet.

Anthony Seigler is OPSing .976 in the early going, which is impressive (albeit in a tiny sample).

As for SI, at least right now they don't have a ton of position players who really merit attention. Canaan Smith is very interesting, and they should start to get a trickle of draftees like Lockridge and maybe Breaux (though he could go to Pulaski too), but otherwise no clear standouts.

On the mound though, that rotation is impressive top to bottom. Sauer, Martinez and Contreras are probably the best, but Cortijo, Mauricio and DePaula are all legit prospects in their own right. Frank German, this year's 4th rounder, is also with the team.
RE: The Rays seem successful at  
Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 14006825 section125 said:
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bringing up young pitches early, and Loaisiga did well except for stamina. Why don't the Yanks bring up Sheffield or Adams?


Adams has been inconsistent this year. Occasionally solid or even stellar, sometimes very hittable. Sheffield is a potential ace in the making, or at least a strong 2-3. They're taking their time with him. I'll bet he comes up late in the year, but they'll do it when they're ready. German and Johnny Lasagna are already on the 40-man, that's why they got the call.
I think the immense depth of the system gets overlooked  
rich in DC : 7/5/2018 11:00 am : link
The Yanks will likely lose several bullpen members this off-season. Robertson and Warren will be FA. Robertson will very likely look for a closer job somewhere else and Warren probably wants a new start somewhere else that has more late inning work.

There is also the possibility that Betances could be trade since next year is his walk year- meaning that his trade value will peak this off-season. By trading him during the off-season, not only will his new team be able to use him as a closer all year, but they will be able to give him a tender offer at the end of the season. If trade during the 2019 season, teams would not be able to give a tender offer.

I think most of us assume that Shreve won't finish the season with the Yanks, but in the off-chance that he does, I find it hard to believe that they would offer him arbitration and would let him walk instead.

Normally, the prospect of losing that many relievers would cause real panic for front offices. The Yanks might be able to handle it internally.

Cody Carroll has been a real eye-opener over the past year and a half. He dominated the AFL in the off-season and has been tremendous in AAA- 36 IP, 44 Ks, 14 walks, 0 HR, 26 hits. He should be option #1 for the Yanks to fill one of the roles in 2019.

We already know Tommy Kahnle- who was a big trade deadline pick-up last season, but is currently stuck in AAA both to build up innings he lost while hurt early in the season, but also because there just isn't an opening with the Yankee pen. He will almost certainly be a big piece in 2019.

J.P. Feyereisen, who was one of the bullpen arms the Yanks picked up from the Indians in the Miller trade had been plagued by lack of command and control, despite throwing very hard. He appears to have turned a corner this season. In AAA, he has thrown 41 IP, with 38 K, only 14 walks, 1 HR and 33 hits, with a small 1.55 ERA. He has improved as the season had gone along as well- in his last 10 outings (covering the last month), he has thrown 16 IP, with 14 K, 2 walks, 10 hits and 2 ER. He would have been called up to the majors with most teams- but he is likely third in line behind Kahnle and Carroll. He should get a legit shot next year.

If should be noted that Carroll and Feyereisen are not on the 40, while Kahnle is. This list doesn't even include guys who are on the 40 like Cessa or Gallegos.

There also exists the possibility that because Loaisiga has thrown so few innings- and it will be VERY difficult to build up the arm strength to be a regular SP in NY, who has already thrown 63 IP this season after only 35 IP between 2014 and 2017- MIGHT be a good addition to the late inning crew. In short spurts, his stuff might be dominant out of the pen- potential closer or set-up level stuff.

Those are just the AAA guys...
Despite all of the names you mentioned...  
Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 11:02 am : link
many of whom are very talented, there's a real possibility we ADD bullpen help at the deadline.
RE: Despite all of the names you mentioned...  
rich in DC : 7/5/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 14006835 Dunedin81 said:
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many of whom are very talented, there's a real possibility we ADD bullpen help at the deadline.


I think one more power arm could be added- probably at Shreve's expense- especially a guy who can throw multiple innings regularly.

However, 2019 MIGHT be the season where we see the Yanks transition their bullpen from a vet heavy group to a young power armed group.
We'll see...  
Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 11:11 am : link
IDK if they're willing to pay for Hand, who has a couple years under contract. Robertson might walk again, I'm not sure what his asking price will be.
Not sure DRob will be considered  
section125 : 7/5/2018 11:26 am : link
a closer anymore on an elite team. He gets smacked around more than he has in the past and at 33/34 he hasn't that much time left. I think Green has passed him as the #3 in the pen behind Chapman and Betances.
I think rich in DC is right that there will be a turnover to younger arms probably next season.
Being able to keep Kahnle down at SWB until 100% ready or as an injury call up is brilliant. Holder's remarkable turnaround has allowed this to happen. I still overlook him despite how well he has pitched.
Keep forgetting Adams and Sheffield are not on the 40 man roster.
Rich...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/5/2018 11:36 am : link
You don't let Robertson and Warren walk, and trade Bentances in the same off-season. No way. Our bullpen is our strength, you don't just let half of them go. I think Warren will go, as you are right...he will want to go somewhere to get more high leverage innings, so he can get a bigger contract...and that isn't going to happen here. And he is replaceable with a Carroll. But not every AAA reliever that comes up is a star. You don't let Robertson and Betances go in the same offseason.
Two guys who are killing it  
gary_from_chester : 7/5/2018 11:39 am : link
Abi Avelino is putting up huge numbers with a significant power surge. He looked good in spring training and seems to be having a breakthrough year. Good possibility he ends up as a trade chip for a SP. He really looks like a player, hope they can keep him. Like him more than Tyler Wade.

Ryan McBroom putting up good numbers at 1B for SWB. Don’t know much about him other than he is a RH power bat. Hitting for average as well this year. With Bird shaky at 1B and Austin hurt again, wouldn’t be shocked to see him up later this year. Yanks got him when they traded Refsnyder.

RE: RE: Despite all of the names you mentioned...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/5/2018 11:43 am : link
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many of whom are very talented, there's a real possibility we ADD bullpen help at the deadline.



I think one more power arm could be added- probably at Shreve's expense- especially a guy who can throw multiple innings regularly.


Kahnle could very well be that extra power arm we add in the 2nd half, without giving anyone up. Last postseason we had 4 lights out relievers that Giradi trusted in big spots, and Kahnle was one of them. Chapman, D-Rob, and Green the others (and to a lesser extent Warren). And that wasn't a fluke. Kahnle put up incredible #'s all season last year. Now, that was the first year he finally put it together and was great. And we know how fickle most relievers can be year to year. But with his stuff and how dominant he was last year (K's and WHIP), I would think he is the type of guy to more likely get back to being a big arm in the bullpen.
Tyler Wade  
Phil in LA : 7/5/2018 11:47 am : link
is not in the AAA lineup today, so I assume he's coming up the play 2B and back up Didi.
The flip side of Kahnle...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/5/2018 11:47 am : link
Is this year he has reverted back to the wild walk an inning pitcher he was his whole career, before last year. So you wonder whether last year was the aberration. But I am hopeful he can turn it around and be a big piece in the bullpen again before the year is out.
RE: Tyler Wade  
BC Eagles94 : 7/5/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 14006874 Phil in LA said:
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is not in the AAA lineup today, so I assume he's coming up the play 2B and back up Didi.


100% is the move. With Gleyber on the DL, there is no back-up SS. So that leaves Torreyes and Wade as the options. And Torreyes has been home with his sick wife. If he all of sudden was ready to go, it would look like he just wanted to be home instead of minors. So I don't see him as an option.
No Yankees minor  
YANKEE28 : 7/5/2018 12:08 pm : link
thread would be complete without mentioning righty starter Roansy Contreras.

Only 18 years old, and his ERA after 3 starts is 1.62

Some may have overlooked him because of his height (reports vary- he is either 5'11" or 6'), but he has had the gun up to 97 this year and has a nasty wipeout slider.

In his 16 innings in 3 starts, he has 22 Ks.

Playing for S I this season.
RE: No Yankees minor  
Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14006894 YANKEE28 said:
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thread would be complete without mentioning righty starter Roansy Contreras.

Only 18 years old, and his ERA after 3 starts is 1.62

Some may have overlooked him because of his height (reports vary- he is either 5'11" or 6'), but he has had the gun up to 97 this year and has a nasty wipeout slider.

In his 16 innings in 3 starts, he has 22 Ks.

Playing for S I this season.


Contreras is a talented kid, and as you mentioned quite young. I'll be very interested to see how he does in full-season ball, probably to start next year.
McBroom doesn't walk much...  
Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 12:45 pm : link
and strikes out a lot. Not necessarily a dealbreaker, but he's not going to hit .300+ as a big leaguer, so assume that BA drops to maybe .260. All of a sudden you're looking at a .300 OBP, which isn't particularly good even for a power hitter. I see him more as the Kyle Roller breed of AAAA slugger, he might get a cup of coffee in the bigs but at his age it's not a guarantee, nor would he necessarily excel if given the opportunity.
Estevan Florial  
Phil in LA : 7/5/2018 12:52 pm : link
is starting his rehab in the GCL and is 1-1.
Dunedin81  
gary_from_chester : 7/5/2018 12:57 pm : link
What is your take on Avelino?
I like him a lot...  
Dunedin81 : 7/5/2018 1:04 pm : link
He was a touted prospect a few years ago, was overtaken by guys who were performing better, but he's always been above average defensively and fast. Only this year has he started to show power. While his K rate has ticked up a bit, it's still pretty reasonable so I don't know that he's necessarily selling out to do it. At this point I'd be surprised if he doesn't at least get a cup of coffee in the bigs, and he's a good bet to be a utilityman for someone.
Clint  
Nysportsfn13 : 7/5/2018 1:07 pm : link
Frazier 2-2 with 2HRs.. solo and 3 run shot
RE: Clint  
Beer Man : 7/5/2018 4:00 pm : link
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Frazier 2-2 with 2HRs.. solo and 3 run shot
I wish they could find a way to get Clint in the lineup.
RE: RE: Clint  
section125 : 7/5/2018 4:07 pm : link
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Frazier 2-2 with 2HRs.. solo and 3 run shot

I wish they could find a way to get Clint in the lineup.


If Gardy keeps grounding out to 1st and 2nd base, you just might get your wish,
I'll get to see the AA team soon  
TJ : 7/5/2018 8:44 pm : link
Trenton coming to Binghamton Mets July 19 - 22. Trying to line up a date for my son & I to get to Scranton AAA this month too.
Pitcher Nick Nelson might have seen the light down in Tampa  
xman : 7/5/2018 11:29 pm : link
His last two outings he has thrown strikes.
RE: RE: RE: Clint  
Deejboy : 7/5/2018 11:57 pm : link
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Frazier 2-2 with 2HRs.. solo and 3 run shot

I wish they could find a way to get Clint in the lineup.



If Gardy keeps grounding out to 1st and 2nd base, you just might get your wish,

Be careful. People wanted to dump Gardner off the team before and then he went on one of his little tears. The Yankees aren't touching Gardner.
Agreed...  
BC Eagles94 : 7/6/2018 11:37 am : link
It is amazing how often fans want to dump players after a month slump or after a slow start. Looks at the back of their baseball card and watch the games! Everyone wanted Hicks out, I was one of the main ones fighting for him here. And look where is now. He is prob one of the best CF's in AL between is OPS and fielding. Everyone has wanted Gardner gone at times. He is our pseudo-captain. He is our leadoff hitter. He is a gold glover in LF. He is a lefty in a righty heavy line-up. He is a tough out that works counts. Gardner is going NOWHERE.
The Yankees aren't dumping Gardner, but it's not ridiculous to  
Heisenberg : 7/6/2018 11:49 am : link
think they should. Gardner has been pretty bad this season. His offense is especially bad for a guy in LF. Frazier is a big time prospect and if we were gonna put up 700 OPS we'd probably be better off doing it while getting the young guy some ABs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Clint  
Dave in Buffalo : 7/6/2018 12:24 pm : link
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Frazier 2-2 with 2HRs.. solo and 3 run shot

I wish they could find a way to get Clint in the lineup.



If Gardy keeps grounding out to 1st and 2nd base, you just might get your wish,


Be careful. People wanted to dump Gardner off the team before and then he went on one of his little tears. The Yankees aren't touching Gardner.


Why not just platoon Frazier with Stanton and Judge. They take turns DHing every third game. It's not going to hurt the team defensively, I can't see either Stanton or Judge being upset with not playing the field, and it would probably strengthen the lineup with Frazier in it. Also, with Gary on the mend there's room available. Plus, I think it would be a good idea to give Gary some time in the minors to figure out his swing with much less pressure on him. Frazier needs to be up with the club
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