Im in Trenton right now waiting on a train and this has to be it. There IS an exceptional pizza place here, but this city is poop. Hartford is close, Richmond used to be a dump in the early '00s, but Trenton is just a laugher. I would rather be in Newark than Trenton.
Anybody got challengers? Give me your worst.
Sacramento is nowhere near the worst. Now if you are talking Stockton, CA; that's a different conversation.
People tend to bitch about how bad a given city is and flee to a surrounding suburb while doing nothing to help the struggling city. Even something as simple as supporting a local business during the day. It takes a community to revitalize some of these areas.
How do you help a city that's filled with crime and corruption?
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but more people as a whole need to do more to “help” these cities. I find this to be the biggest dose of hypocrisy when talking about whether a city is a shithole or not.
People tend to bitch about how bad a given city is and flee to a surrounding suburb while doing nothing to help the struggling city. Even something as simple as supporting a local business during the day. It takes a community to revitalize some of these areas.
How do you help a city that's filled with crime and corruption?
Do little things when you can? Supporting a local business when able perhaps? My main point is we should never look at a city as a lost cause.
People tend to bitch about how bad a given city is and flee to a surrounding suburb while doing nothing to help the struggling city. Even something as simple as supporting a local business during the day. It takes a community to revitalize some of these areas.
A city is a shit hole it because its citizens have turned it into a shit hole and has little to do with the people who live in the areas near that city. Can you go there and support a local business? Absolutely... but when your car is robbed by the good people who live there, or your car is ticketed by the city that wants you to come back, or you are over charged for that meal because they think they can.... people tend to not want to go back.
I am a big believer in the fact that a city or town is a mirror image of the people who live there.
Is there garbage in front of your home or building? Pick it up. See drugs being sold? Call the police. Have kids? Make sure they go to school and don't end up in a gang. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Learn from history. I believe Detroit is making slow progress also.
Nj should make Denville the capital and give south jersey to Delaware
Nj should make Denville the capital and give south jersey to Delaware
Sure... nothing better than sitting in traffic for hours on Rt 10 on your way to or from the State Capital
Politics completely aside (no desire to hash that out :) -- the homeless problem on the West Coast is absolutely exacerbated by the mild winter.
I've lived all of my adult life in SF and NYC and it's breathtaking how much cleaner Manhattan is.
Hmm. No mention of that other annoying problem: Sasquatch.
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Cost of living is reasonable, not too much congestion, easy access to a lot of outdoor stuff. The biggest problem I've seen is the same as what appears to be the case all over the west coast: the homeless problem is staggering. I've seen it in Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Salem, Eugene, and down in LA. And I've heard San Diego and San Francisco also have a huge homelessness problem. It's way more visible here than on the west coast, and I have no idea why.
Hmm. No mention of that other annoying problem: Sasquatch.
I've been on the lookout, but no sightings. Besides, you'd think that Sasquatch would serve as some kind of homeless cleanup service, right?
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It's gotta be one of them.
Nj should make Denville the capital and give south jersey to Delaware
Sure... nothing better than sitting in traffic for hours on Rt 10 on your way to or from the State Capital
Lmao the worst! I think I was kidding tho but who knows I'm
Starving right now about to eat finally
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but more people as a whole need to do more to “help” these cities. I find this to be the biggest dose of hypocrisy when talking about whether a city is a shithole or not.
People tend to bitch about how bad a given city is and flee to a surrounding suburb while doing nothing to help the struggling city. Even something as simple as supporting a local business during the day. It takes a community to revitalize some of these areas.
A city is a shit hole it because its citizens have turned it into a shit hole and has little to do with the people who live in the areas near that city. Can you go there and support a local business? Absolutely... but when your car is robbed by the good people who live there, or your car is ticketed by the city that wants you to come back, or you are over charged for that meal because they think they can.... people tend to not want to go back.
I am a big believer in the fact that a city or town is a mirror image of the people who live there.
Is there garbage in front of your home or building? Pick it up. See drugs being sold? Call the police. Have kids? Make sure they go to school and don't end up in a gang. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Very well said and you articulated it better than I did. It’s on the actually residents to be better.
I've been on the lookout, but no sightings. Besides, you'd think that Sasquatch would serve as some kind of homeless cleanup service, right?
Maybe. I've seen books covering every State. I remember Oregon as one of the most amazing places to live, IMO.
Bite your tongue. I love going there for Gamecocks games.
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I've been on the lookout, but no sightings. Besides, you'd think that Sasquatch would serve as some kind of homeless cleanup service, right?
Maybe. I've seen books covering every State. I remember Oregon as one of the most amazing places to live, IMO.
I've been here 2 years, and my only regret is that it took me this long to get here. It's been like a 2 year vacation.
Nj should make Denville the capital and give south jersey to Delaware
We don't want it.
Ah it's quantitative. I guess (quality of life ranking?) But good to see it is 6th worst.
LOL. I jumped on this thread just to post Pierre.
San Francisco is pretty bad too, you're right.
However, I'm not sure I've been in a city that has more homeless people than Philly. Every damn block there's someone. Most are pretty chill, some are pretty crazy though.
Philly is pretty sketchy though. I live in a "safe" part of town and someone got stabbed a couple of blocks from me and apparently the same happened the year before too.
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Harrisburg, PA and Albany, NY are not great either. I’ve never spent time in Trenton aside from the train stopping on the way to NYC.
I actually really like Albany. Maybe it depends on what you want out of a city. If I were to rate cities where you had to live on the East coast (particularly the Northeast), do it affordably and safely and raise a family, and still have lot of things to keep you entertained, Albany would be near the top of my list of capitals.
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Harrisburg, PA and Albany, NY are not great either. I’ve never spent time in Trenton aside from the train stopping on the way to NYC.
I actually really like Albany. Maybe it depends on what you want out of a city. If I were to rate cities where you had to live on the East coast (particularly the Northeast), do it affordably and safely and raise a family, and still have lot of things to keep you entertained, Albany would be near the top of my list of capitals.
I don't think we've been to the same Albany.
I think Bill might be talking about the Capitol District more than Albany proper, and he has a point. A short commute gets you to places with good schools and, for the East Coast, low home prices. And Saratoga and SPAC is not far away.
My buddy went to Cooley Law School in Lansing, oh man, is that place a sh--hole. That place is so depressed it's crazy. The night before his graduation we went out on the town and at one point stopped in the strip club (I believe it's called abduls) and the patrons were putting coins on the stage and the girls were fighting over it. I felt so bad that I put a $20 bill on the stage before we walked out. I mean we literally walked in an out and I put it down before leaving. That was back in 2009 so maybe it's change since then, but man that was crazy.
Another interesting thing was that the capital building lights would be on in the evening and you could walk up to the windows and listen to the politicians arguing with each other. Lots of yelling going on.
People tend to bitch about how bad a given city is and flee to a surrounding suburb while doing nothing to help the struggling city. Even something as simple as supporting a local business during the day. It takes a community to revitalize some of these areas.
You have to elect good politicians first. You don't spend time in these places that have nothing to offer when you have no reason to be there. You don't just drive in from the burbs and stop at a shop for a quick t-shirt purchase when you can stay in the burbs and go to a local store out there that is safe and affordable.
I laughed at this one.
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Harrisburg, PA and Albany, NY are not great either. I’ve never spent time in Trenton aside from the train stopping on the way to NYC.
My buddy went to Cooley Law School in Lansing, oh man, is that place a sh--hole. That place is so depressed it's crazy. The night before his graduation we went out on the town and at one point stopped in the strip club (I believe it's called abduls) and the patrons were putting coins on the stage and the girls were fighting over it. I felt so bad that I put a $20 bill on the stage before we walked out. I mean we literally walked in an out and I put it down before leaving. That was back in 2009 so maybe it's change since then, but man that was crazy.
Another interesting thing was that the capital building lights would be on in the evening and you could walk up to the windows and listen to the politicians arguing with each other. Lots of yelling going on.
I don't think it has changed much since then. I used to have to travel there quarterly to visit a client. The airport is comically small. I was quite happy when a re-org removed me from the account.
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Harrisburg, PA and Albany, NY are not great either. I’ve never spent time in Trenton aside from the train stopping on the way to NYC.
My buddy went to Cooley Law School in Lansing, oh man, is that place a sh--hole. That place is so depressed it's crazy. The night before his graduation we went out on the town and at one point stopped in the strip club (I believe it's called abduls) and the patrons were putting coins on the stage and the girls were fighting over it. I felt so bad that I put a $20 bill on the stage before we walked out. I mean we literally walked in an out and I put it down before leaving. That was back in 2009 so maybe it's change since then, but man that was crazy.
Another interesting thing was that the capital building lights would be on in the evening and you could walk up to the windows and listen to the politicians arguing with each other. Lots of yelling going on.
I don't think it has changed much since then. I used to have to travel there quarterly to visit a client. The airport is comically small. I was quite happy when a re-org removed me from the account.
Yea, the airport is like a shoe box. The only thing I found to be memorable about Lansing was their squirrels were about twice the size of squirrels on the east coast.
...you haven't been to Richmond lately.
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Way more visible here than on the *east* coast, I meant to say.
San Francisco is pretty bad too, you're right.
However, I'm not sure I've been in a city that has more homeless people than Philly. Every damn block there's someone. Most are pretty chill, some are pretty crazy though.
Philly is pretty sketchy though. I live in a "safe" part of town and someone got stabbed a couple of blocks from me and apparently the same happened the year before too.
Where in Philly so you live BestFeature?
And yes. The homelessness situation on the El, it seems like they all agreed on a script. Tent city is right up the street from me and its gross.
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Way more visible here than on the *east* coast, I meant to say.
San Francisco is pretty bad too, you're right.
However, I'm not sure I've been in a city that has more homeless people than Philly. Every damn block there's someone. Most are pretty chill, some are pretty crazy though.
Philly is pretty sketchy though. I live in a "safe" part of town and someone got stabbed a couple of blocks from me and apparently the same happened the year before too.
Where in Philly so you live BestFeature?
And yes. The homelessness situation on the El, it seems like they all agreed on a script. Tent city is right up the street from me and its gross.
I should have said "lived", I moved back to NYC a little more than a month ago. I lived on Walnut and 23rd, the stabbing took place on Market and 22nd. It's eerie because a similar event happened on the same block almost exactly a year before that. (It was in mid-May).
Then the seasons change and I play some pond hockey
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Richmond used to be a dump in the early '00s
...you haven't been to Richmond lately.
That was funny and so true
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Way more visible here than on the *east* coast, I meant to say.
San Francisco is pretty bad too, you're right.
However, I'm not sure I've been in a city that has more homeless people than Philly. Every damn block there's someone. Most are pretty chill, some are pretty crazy though.
Philly is pretty sketchy though. I live in a "safe" part of town and someone got stabbed a couple of blocks from me and apparently the same happened the year before too.
Where in Philly so you live BestFeature?
And yes. The homelessness situation on the El, it seems like they all agreed on a script. Tent city is right up the street from me and its gross.
I should have said "lived", I moved back to NYC a little more than a month ago. I lived on Walnut and 23rd, the stabbing took place on Market and 22nd. It's eerie because a similar event happened on the same block almost exactly a year before that. (It was in mid-May).
Jesus thats Rittenhouse.
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Richmond used to be a dump in the early '00s
...you haven't been to Richmond lately.
That was funny and so true
Lol, I havent and had a feeling it was a diff place now.
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Way more visible here than on the *east* coast, I meant to say.
San Francisco is pretty bad too, you're right.
However, I'm not sure I've been in a city that has more homeless people than Philly. Every damn block there's someone. Most are pretty chill, some are pretty crazy though.
Philly is pretty sketchy though. I live in a "safe" part of town and someone got stabbed a couple of blocks from me and apparently the same happened the year before too.
Where in Philly so you live BestFeature?
And yes. The homelessness situation on the El, it seems like they all agreed on a script. Tent city is right up the street from me and its gross.
I should have said "lived", I moved back to NYC a little more than a month ago. I lived on Walnut and 23rd, the stabbing took place on Market and 22nd. It's eerie because a similar event happened on the same block almost exactly a year before that. (It was in mid-May).
Jesus thats Rittenhouse.
I'd say it was a few blocks west of it, certainly wasn't Rittenhouse rent. But yeah it's a nice area and if anything quieter than Rittenhouse. It was shocking. Also, just to satisfy my OCD, haha. The stabbings took place mid-March not mid-May. Doesn't really change the story. It was a bit scary since I also worked across the street.
2017 Stabbing on 22nd and Market
2018 Stabbing on 22nd and Market
The 2017 link doesn't always work, not sure what's up with it.
But it says:
CENTER CITY (WPVI) -- Police say a fight between two men ended in a stabbing in Center City, Philadelphia.
It happened before 3 a.m. Friday at the intersection of 22nd and Market streets".
The other one:
The 55-year-old man was stabbed in the stomach and body at 22nd and Market streets around 2:30 a.m. Tuesday, Philadelphia Police said.
Similar times too...
2017 Stabbing on 22nd and Market
2018 Stabbing on 22nd and Market
The 2017 link doesn't always work, not sure what's up with it.
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Friday, March 17, 2017
CENTER CITY (WPVI) -- Police say a fight between two men ended in a stabbing in Center City, Philadelphia.
It happened before 3 a.m. Friday at the intersection of 22nd and Market streets".
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Philadelphia police searched for a killer after someone stabbed a man multiple times at a Center City street corner overnight.
The 55-year-old man was stabbed in the stomach and body at 22nd and Market streets around 2:30 a.m. Tuesday, Philadelphia Police said.
Similar times too...
Yea, I meant it was essentially Ritt....def the 22nd and Walnut part.
I think I remember the 2017 one as it kinda startled me.
Philly is generally fairly safe as far as larger cities go, but that shit is crazy.
whats wrong with it