NFT: Yankee/Eolvaldi thought.

are you using for Gray?

He's pitched 3 games in the postseason. While he's 0-2, his ERA is 2.95.

Eovaldi has never pitched in the postseason.

paid him for a year when they knew he wouldn't pitch. I think they are going to want a lot for him.

In comment 14007078 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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are you using for Gray? He's pitched 3 games in the postseason. While he's 0-2, his ERA is 2.95. Eovaldi has never pitched in the postseason.

I wasn't talking about the postseason, fats. I'm talking about the pennant race, and so far he's been a guy who hasn't gotten the job done for us. I don't have confidence that his performance will improve for us, but sure hope it will.

it's hard to assume Eovaldi pitches well in big situations when he hasn't demonstrated that. He's barely demonstrated he can stay on the field. They are both 28 years old and Gray certainly seems to have less questions about durability.

It's perfectly fine to question Gray, but the idea Eovaldi is going to be better is based on hope more than proof.

It's not like he has to stay healthy for years. He just has to not need TJ surgery again this year. That's a risk I'd be willing to take in a trade that gave up some of our excess minor leaguers. I'm not trying to give up Gray for him, just wanting to give us more options for SP.

but unless something has changed he's pretty much the same pitcher. Huge velo, straight as an arrow, zero deception.

I'd say Severino and CC. After that it is all up in the air. I don't trust Tanaka with his high HR rate. Gray cannot be trusted and I don't think it is a coincidence that ye gets no run support when he is on the mound. There is too much of a trend to support it isn't a coincidence.

However, if we go the cheap route and try to catch lightning in a bottle then we also need to understand that Tanaka and Gray have as good of a chance as any other pitcher to be 8n our playoff rotation. I think the smart move is to get a clear upgrade over Gray and Tanaka but that is way easier said than done.

My point is that going the cheap route may just keep us exactly where we are.

Horrendous Idea. The Yanks don't need another marginal starter, they can do better with the arms in the minors, by far better. They need a top line starter.

In comment 14007100 Dunedin81 said:

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but unless something has changed he's pretty much the same pitcher. Huge velo, straight as an arrow, zero deception.

+1

No more Eovaldi.

Happ or the kids please.

...on the cheap (or relative cheap) and kick Sonny Gray the fuck off this team!

In fact, Eolvaldi or not, get rid of Gray.

In comment 14007139 adamg said:

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No more Eovaldi. Happ or the kids please.

Hamels over Happ imo

No offense . He’s not worth pursuing .

of any of the starting pitching options.

My interest would be getting lefty relief help, specifically Brad Hand and Amir Garrett. Make a very good bullpen simply the very best by adding 2 controllable young arms.

with a 1.98 ERA.

In comment 14007213 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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with a 1.98 ERA.

The Red Sox are obviously a great team but I feel we match up very well with them. I'm more concerned with Houston.

In comment 14007117 robbieballs2003 said:

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I'd say Severino and CC. After that it is all up in the air. I don't trust Tanaka with his high HR rate. Gray cannot be trusted and I don't think it is a coincidence that ye gets no run support when he is on the mound. There is too much of a trend to support it isn't a coincidence. However, if we go the cheap route and try to catch lightning in a bottle then we also need to understand that Tanaka and Gray have as good of a chance as any other pitcher to be 8n our playoff rotation. I think the smart move is to get a clear upgrade over Gray and Tanaka but that is way easier said than done. My point is that going the cheap route may just keep us exactly where we are.

Tanaka pitched pretty damn well in his postseason starts last year (0 ERA & .571 WHIP in the ALDS; 1.38 ERA and .692 WHIP in the ALCS; 0 homers allowed in either series)

If he’s healthy, he’s one of the 3. Not sure why you wouldn’t trust him.

In comment 14007160 M.S. said:

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...on the cheap (or relative cheap) and kick Sonny Gray the fuck off this team! In fact, Eolvaldi or not, get rid of Gray.

And when Eolvaldi pitches like Eolvaldi you'll want to kick him off the team. Eolvaldi's numbers are the best of his career for these 40 innings. His .BAA really stands out at .209 since he always gave up a ton of hits. His K/9 is 7.62 which is the best of his career even though he will never be a high strike out guy. He also isn't walking many batters.

Two major red flags. He has given up 9 homers in those 40 innings. That is scary in Yankee stadium. His BABIP is .211 which means he has gotten a ton of luck. Once that number goes up men will be on base for the homeruns and his ERA will sky rocket. Watching he hasn't changed anything. Still mid to high 90s straight fastball and splitter to the lefites.

The Yankees appear to have learned from. It's clear now they have changed how they evaluate pitchers putting more emphasis on things like spin rate and less on MPH.

He was a extremely frustrating pitcher the two years he was here and it would be just dumb to trade anything for him. They could of just kept him and waited on him to get healthy.

In comment 14007279 nygnyy274 said:

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He was a extremely frustrating pitcher the two years he was here and it would be just dumb to trade anything for him. They could of just kept him and waited on him to get healthy.

So you were frustrated with Eovaldi in 2015 when he went 14-3? And why would you recommend that the Yanks should have "just kept him and waited on him to get healthy" if you were frustrated by his performance?

I know wins and losses aren't everything, but he was also 9-8 in 2016 before he got hurt...a combined 23-11 in less than 2 years.

I think the Rays will want too much, so it's not going to happen, but if Eovaldi's arm is sound, he could at least eat some innings at the back of the rotation.

Thanks.

The younger guys are going to have innings limitations and let's face it....rookies are inconsistent. The best thing the Yanks can do is keep developing the kids. Let German keep starting. If he struggles or innings become an issue, send him down and let him pitch two or three innings at a time out of the Scranton bullpen. Same goes for Loasiga. Give him a few starts in AAA and also let him pitch out of the pen to limit his innings. Next, when Sheffield is ready, bring him up and let him get a few starts. He is the next guy up and the Yanks best pitching prospect. If all goes well, the Yanks will develop a next wave of young starters while increasing their bullpen options at playoff time. German and Loasiga certainly have the power arms to play a "Chad Green-type" role if called upon and lefty Sheffield could be a godsend in the right role.

But he's got 9 HRs in 41.1 IP so far this year (albeit 4 in one game, all solo shots against a potent Houston team), and he was homer-prone his last year with the Yankees. His BB rate is very good but he doesn't miss bats, certainly not as many as his velocity suggests he should. Unless there is some indication he has turned a corner with his stuff, he's a back-end guy. He can be a decent pitcher for someone, but with our park it probably won't be us.

In comment 14007365 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 14007279 nygnyy274 said: Quote: He was a extremely frustrating pitcher the two years he was here and it would be just dumb to trade anything for him. They could of just kept him and waited on him to get healthy. So you were frustrated with Eovaldi in 2015 when he went 14-3? And why would you recommend that the Yanks should have "just kept him and waited on him to get healthy" if you were frustrated by his performance? I know wins and losses aren't everything, but he was also 9-8 in 2016 before he got hurt...a combined 23-11 in less than 2 years. I think the Rays will want too much, so it's not going to happen, but if Eovaldi's arm is sound, he could at least eat some innings at the back of the rotation.

Yes I was actually frustrated in 2015 guy is always hurt and got a season ending injury the first week of September when we were in a pennant race with Toronto and got hurt again in 2016. He was always hurt with the dodgers and Marlins to. And where is i say I would of just kept him and waited out the injury? I was referring to the Yankees if they wanted to keep him they would of.

He's had w good starts in a row. Prior to that, he hasn't been impressive and then you factor in serious injury concerns. He makes zero sense to me.

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In comment 14008482 BigBlue4You09 said:

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Doesn't count; it was against the Mets