Back any money right now. For example hardaway and baker for Melo we would be taking back like $6mm extra does that work within the cap and then figure we save $2 million when we buy him out?
Back any money right now. For example hardaway and baker for Melo we would be taking back like $6mm extra does that work within the cap and then figure we save $2 million when we buy him out?
yiu can add burke and williams who are both non guaranteed
then buying him out or something, in a move to save future cap space, right? No way I want that slug anywhere near the young core the Knicks are trying to build
To a team with cap space for nothing back and offer $5 million in the trade to cover his salary and then free up some cap space then the trade may work.
any word on the amount? That would go towards OKC's cap for this year.
Melo was pretty horrible last year, but that may be due to Westbrook being really tough to play with, especially if you're a scorer used to having the ball in your hands. I would think LA would be his next stop.
Um. Nope. Melo was terrible because he's not good at basketball anymore. Nothing to do with Westbrook who made it easier for Melo to get some easier looks. Melo did what Melo has been doing for the past few years. Held the ball for a few seconds and then chucked. That's his game.
This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
He's always been a basketball cancer. There was a time he was also an all star player even though he was never a winning player. Now he's absolutely horrible. It was so much fun to watch him in OKC last year.
He and Dwight Howard are perfect fits for the Lakers with LeBron and Ball what a shit show that will be. Please make it happen Lakers.
Anthony has already infected Porzingis. Taught him every selfish thing about the NBA there is to know. The Knicks would be crazy to let him near their new players.
we broke up a very entertaining Knick team to get him Â
when was the last time you heard that.
he's a loser
Only silver lining is that everyone we traded to get Melo was at peak value,with the exception of maybe Mosgov who later got two 1s and a fat deal. I believe Chandler and Gallo peaked here, Chandler is still real good though, and Fat Ray, well, we did the right thing in sending him packing while his value was at its highest ever
RE: we broke up a very entertaining Knick team to get him Â
He can be an instant offense guy on the second unit and give you an extra weapon on offensive possessions in crunch time. That's it. He is not a starting calibre player on a team with championship aspirations.
He can be an instant offense guy on the second unit and give you an extra weapon on offensive possessions in crunch time. That's it. He is not a starting calibre player on a team with championship aspirations.
His game fits fine in todays NBA. The problem isn't his game, it's his attitude. He has the skill set to fit in well in todays NBA, but his mind is fucking garbage
This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
Why would the Knicks include Frank?
Cap purposes. Hardaway for Melo doesn't work under the cap.
The Knicks should send OKC last years lottery pick Â
This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
Why would the Knicks include Frank?
Cap purposes. Hardaway for Melo doesn't work under the cap.
I'd rather keep both Frank and THJ in that case. There's no one else we could include?
in todays NBA. Problem is that Melo is old and is not the same player he was in his 20's. If melo was 26 he would still be one of the top scorers in the league.
As for sending them Frank, pass. Its not worth it to dump THJR. You are trading two assets (THJR is not a bad player) just to save money that you dont know you even need. Im find trading THJR, but im not giving up other assets. They want THJR and lee, great, but that doesnt really save them money and thats the issue. I mean THJR and Lee would be much better fits for them then melo at this point, but again they want to save money.
This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
Why would the Knicks include Frank?
Cap purposes. Hardaway for Melo doesn't work under the cap.
Are you serious? You’re gonna dump frank just to rid us of the most overstated contract? Hardaway is a decent player wtf man.
About ten years ago. We just had to dump Randolph and Crawford for jack shit but they freed up money, great. Then they got even more desperate and packaged a draft pick to dump Jeffries.
How’d that work out? Zach Randolph was a boon to Memphis and Crawford won 6th man awards.
And played pretty well. He can average 17+ per game and play average defense. He gets assists and rebounds. He’s not even remotely close to this overpaid albertross that the money talkies on here insist on. Relax already. Let this team figure things out one year at a time. We don’t have to do anything right now.
If an absolute beast can be had and hardaway stops us from signing him as a fa ok fine, you can all have your pound of salary cap flesh that gets you all excited. Until then, no more stupid ass moves. This team doesn’t need to panic. Not yet.
Not subtracting for cap space or whatever. ADD talent. No two for ones. Deals centered on dumping the good out with the bad just to give you all the checkbook warm and fuzzies. We aren’t there yet. Fucks sake... you never learn.
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Only make that kind of move if an absolute STUD is standing at the alter and even then, you better have a plan in place that allows the Knicks to field a legit 7 deep roster.
Dumping frank with hardaway at this very moment is lunacy. It’s probably lunacy at any moment.
We’re fine. Keep on adding talent. Worry about cap space when that fa player is available and space is needed. Next year they will have room. Year after even more room. Relax.
you dont think these conversations are not happening alredy? Â
you are not giving up the 19 pick, you are not giving up kp, you are giving up frank, lee and hardaway 2 of those players have no future here and 1 who is questionable at this very moment...
he traded draft pocks and had nothing on the roster to attract, he asdumed new york alone would work...
you go into the off season room for 2 maxes and kp and if knox shows something you are going to attract a pair of players..
tgere are already reports of irving and butler wanting to team up...
So a raw 19 year old with 1 summer leauge game under his belt is now something we’re going to bank on as a big attraction for free agents? Plus a legit talent coming off a major injury possibly missing the entire upcoming season. That’s the big selling points you expect to attract talent with?
he traded draft pocks and had nothing on the roster to attract, he asdumed new york alone would work...
you go into the off season room for 2 maxes and kp and if knox shows something you are going to attract a pair of players..
tgere are already reports of irving and butler wanting to team up...
So a raw 19 year old with 1 summer leauge game under his belt is now something we’re going to bank on as a big attraction for free agents? Plus a legit talent coming off a major injury possibly missing the entire upcoming season. That’s the big selling points you expect to attract talent with?
if knox has a good year i said...
you forget to add you have a coach that is well respected around the league...
you will have another top pick added...
and kp will absolutely be a selling point, even if he plays 20 games he will absolutely be a selling point..
and having 2 maxes is an absokute selling point because 2 guys can team up...
if miami only has room for 2 the big 3 does not happen in miami, wade himself said they went to miami because they had room for 3...
No reason to include Baker. Only a year left and OKC doesn’t want him. They’re trying to win.
yiu can add burke and williams who are both non guaranteed
Melo was pretty horrible last year, but that may be due to Westbrook being really tough to play with, especially if you're a scorer used to having the ball in your hands. I would think LA would be his next stop.
Um. Nope. Melo was terrible because he's not good at basketball anymore. Nothing to do with Westbrook who made it easier for Melo to get some easier looks. Melo did what Melo has been doing for the past few years. Held the ball for a few seconds and then chucked. That's his game.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
no matter what they do they are still in the luxury tax..
He and Dwight Howard are perfect fits for the Lakers with LeBron and Ball what a shit show that will be. Please make it happen Lakers.
Anthony has already infected Porzingis. Taught him every selfish thing about the NBA there is to know. The Knicks would be crazy to let him near their new players.
he's a loser
he's a loser
Only silver lining is that everyone we traded to get Melo was at peak value,with the exception of maybe Mosgov who later got two 1s and a fat deal. I believe Chandler and Gallo peaked here, Chandler is still real good though, and Fat Ray, well, we did the right thing in sending him packing while his value was at its highest ever
he's a loser
Let's not pretend that team was winning anything.
The 53 win team with melo was plenty exciting.
His game fits fine in todays NBA. The problem isn't his game, it's his attitude. He has the skill set to fit in well in todays NBA, but his mind is fucking garbage
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
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This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
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This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
Why would the Knicks include Frank?
Cap purposes. Hardaway for Melo doesn't work under the cap.
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This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
Why would the Knicks include Frank?
Cap purposes. Hardaway for Melo doesn't work under the cap.
I'd rather keep both Frank and THJ in that case. There's no one else we could include?
As for sending them Frank, pass. Its not worth it to dump THJR. You are trading two assets (THJR is not a bad player) just to save money that you dont know you even need. Im find trading THJR, but im not giving up other assets. They want THJR and lee, great, but that doesnt really save them money and thats the issue. I mean THJR and Lee would be much better fits for them then melo at this point, but again they want to save money.
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This is just to buy him out to get rid of Lee hardaway or Noah. If okc stretch him they save $90 million in tax dollars. In order to avoid them stretching him knicks need to keep the money they sent back at a minimum and also help them avoid $9 mill on their cap for the next 3 years.
Lee makes the most sense, if we can move baker to another team to create cap space without sending anyone to OKC. If we rid our selves of baker and Lee does that create enough room for us to take on Melo?
This benefits okc because Lee is actually playable for them for the next 2 years and he is only $3mm higher than Melos stretch. So hey basically have Lee for $3mm more a year for the next 2 years vs. just Melos stretch. Then year 3 they are free of Lee vs. another year of Melo stretch.
Remember that by maxing out George and Westbrook, they are going for it now- they are probably NOT looking for a player they can drop in a year or two. Keep in mind that part of their thinking in the Melo dal was they thought they were building their own "big 3."
My thought is that OKC might do a deal where they get a starter and a building block back in the deal. Also remember that OKC added Nerlens Noel in FA. Note that OKC also focused on SG in the draft- but that bth are really longer term projects.
I think that the better offer might be Hardaway and Frank.
George is kind of a floating wing who can post on occasion. Westbrook likes to drive the lane- though he will heave up his share of 3s. If they had a guy who could just hang out on the perimeter and shoot 3s that could allow Westbrook to drive more often.
Hardaway gives them the offensive punch to go with Westbrook and George- and allows Noel and Adams to focus on low post defense and boards- instead of trying to generate offense with them. With OKCs own weakness at G, plus how many solid G their are in the Western Conference, Frank makes a LOT of sense from OKC's perspective- and they may try to get Westbrook some rest with Frank.
The Knicks would of course, immediately waive Melo.
While the idea of Hardaway and Frank for Melo works under the cap, the Knicks MIGHT try and get one of OKCs draftees- but it probably isn't worth forcing the issue.
Why would the Knicks include Frank?
Cap purposes. Hardaway for Melo doesn't work under the cap.
Are you serious? You’re gonna dump frank just to rid us of the most overstated contract? Hardaway is a decent player wtf man.
the knicks would save 30 million off next years cap and be able to add 2 max contracts
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Hopefully the league is wiling to do what it takes to get it fixed.
the knicks would save 30 million off next years cap and be able to add 2 max contracts
Ding, ding, ding. This is the correct answer. Thanks for playing djm. Better luck next time.
You’re an absolute fool if you run frank and hardaway out of here without a bird in hand.
Ding my ass that’s lunacy.
How’d that work out? Zach Randolph was a boon to Memphis and Crawford won 6th man awards.
Don’t. Do. Anything. Desperate!! No more!!
If an absolute beast can be had and hardaway stops us from signing him as a fa ok fine, you can all have your pound of salary cap flesh that gets you all excited. Until then, no more stupid ass moves. This team doesn’t need to panic. Not yet.
the knicks would save 30 million off next years cap and be able to add 2 max contracts
Didn’t we play this game before?
Reminder of what we won: 1 healthy season of Amare. One playoff series win. And 6 1/2 years of Melo ISOs.
Reminder of what we lost: @300 games.
you go into the off season room for 2 maxes and kp and if knox shows something you are going to attract a pair of players..
tgere are already reports of irving and butler wanting to team up...
Dumping frank with hardaway at this very moment is lunacy. It’s probably lunacy at any moment.
We’re fine. Keep on adding talent. Worry about cap space when that fa player is available and space is needed. Next year they will have room. Year after even more room. Relax.
you go into the off season room for 2 maxes and kp and if knox shows something you are going to attract a pair of players..
tgere are already reports of irving and butler wanting to team up...
So a raw 19 year old with 1 summer leauge game under his belt is now something we’re going to bank on as a big attraction for free agents? Plus a legit talent coming off a major injury possibly missing the entire upcoming season. That’s the big selling points you expect to attract talent with?
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he traded draft pocks and had nothing on the roster to attract, he asdumed new york alone would work...
you go into the off season room for 2 maxes and kp and if knox shows something you are going to attract a pair of players..
tgere are already reports of irving and butler wanting to team up...
So a raw 19 year old with 1 summer leauge game under his belt is now something we’re going to bank on as a big attraction for free agents? Plus a legit talent coming off a major injury possibly missing the entire upcoming season. That’s the big selling points you expect to attract talent with?
if knox has a good year i said...
you forget to add you have a coach that is well respected around the league...
you will have another top pick added...
and kp will absolutely be a selling point, even if he plays 20 games he will absolutely be a selling point..
and having 2 maxes is an absokute selling point because 2 guys can team up...
if miami only has room for 2 the big 3 does not happen in miami, wade himself said they went to miami because they had room for 3...
the trade would be strictly to get more cap room for next year...
knicks would immediately cut him
they wouldnt this whole conversation is pontless...
the knly reason they would is if they thought lee and hardaway helped them
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Why would OKC do that though?
they wouldnt this whole conversation is pontless...
the knly reason they would is if they thought lee and hardaway helped them
Ah, so half of a thread was wasted on a pointless hypothetical. Sounds like a Knicks thread alright.. hah.
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Why would OKC do that though?
they wouldnt this whole conversation is pontless...
the knly reason they would is if they thought lee and hardaway helped them
Ah, so half of a thread was wasted on a pointless hypothetical. Sounds like a Knicks thread alright.. hah.
pretty much, kind of mad at myself for getting involved but i got 40 mins to kill before game starts