So frustrating and I just don't get it. He gets good movement on his pitches but won't come near the plate with them. If he started them as strikes he'd probably get guys to chase but he starts so many them off the plate and guys just spit on them.
he won 27 games on a team that went 59-103. Probably the greatest accomplishment by a pitcher in MLB history. The 1972 Phillies called his starts win day.
Sonny Gray is lose day on a team that might win 103 games.
He has plenty good enough stuff to get guys out. He's just a mental midget and that is not going to all of a sudden change. Send him packing immediately for a high five and a coke, admit your mistake and move on
he won 27 games on a team that went 59-103. Probably the greatest accomplishment by a pitcher in MLB history. The 1972 Phillies called his starts win day.
Sonny Gray is lose day on a team that might win 103 games.
It's bad enough he's a lose day guy but he's been burning up the pen in the process by not giving them innings. That's a double whammy.
So thoroughly disappointed a year later. We have to keep running him out there but he's awful at this point. We're in Kenny Rogers teritory. Nibble nibble nibble then gives up bombs. Just fucking awful. And the Sox in KC this weekend, thats a godamn sweep waiting to happen.
do we have to keep running him out there? He doesn't give them length, he doesn't give them quality. They could call up just about anyone and get the same results. I also think the garbage he regularly produces impacts the confidence of everyone around him on the day he pitches
Cashman hasn't made many mistakes, that was one. Admit failure and move on and don't let him see another start for this ball club.
Dragging him out there to get toasted isn't fair to anyone. He needs to go to the back of the pen and not see the mound until after the break, whether with the Yanks or elsewhere.
thing pissed me off beyond belief. The Yankees were quick to throw Sanchez under the bus for this gutless piece of garbage. I hated that from the start. Sonny Gray has never done a damn thing to earn the benefit of the doubt and earn a "personal catcher". He sucks. They could put Johnny Bench back there in his prime and he'd still suck
I can’t wait for him to be off the team. Anyone is better than him at this point, kid is cancerous to the clubhouse, just a loser with no winning/gamer mentality. He needs to go back to a “no one cares” market team where he won’t be expected to do anything and it won’t matter.
the end of the game. He truly does not give a shit.
I get being frustrated but step off the ledge my friend. He’s a bad Yankees pitcher, he’s not a bad guy and he definitely gives a shit. It’s just not meant to be.
He's under contract for a few years still. I hate to give up on him, but you can't keep pitching him if he's going to go 3 and give up 5.
Does he have any trade value at this point? Trading him straight up for Happ a possibility? I don't know if TOR would want him...
I suspect we’ll trade him eventually, may not be able to until the offseason. Strikes me as the kind of pitcher who will find it again in someplace like Pittsburgh or Milwaukee
I don’t really know the rules on it but he shouldn’t be in the majors anymore this season. If they can’t trade him, send him down and bring him back up to try again next year when we aren’t in a pennant race.
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He's under contract for a few years still. I hate to give up on him, but you can't keep pitching him if he's going to go 3 and give up 5.
Does he have any trade value at this point? Trading him straight up for Happ a possibility? I don't know if TOR would want him...
I suspect we’ll trade him eventually, may not be able to until the offseason. Strikes me as the kind of pitcher who will find it again in someplace like Pittsburgh or Milwaukee
I agree that I think he offers a lot of value to a smaller market team, especially an noncompetitive one. Maybe as part of a package in a trade for Hand?
He has plus stuff but clearly hasn't figured out the mental component.
The Yankees need starting pitching and he's got time left on the deal.
That combination means that, in all likelihood, he kicks around and at the very worst gets pushed to long relief in the bullpen to try and regain some confidence. Then again if Hicks and Stanton stay hot and they steal one, he likely keeps the slot.
Either way, I don't see him moved from the roster one way or another.
To see Gray shit the bed again. Eventually the Yankees have to decide what's more important, the team or Grays feelings. It's one thing to lose when he pitches. However,having to go deep into your bullpen could effect the next game also.
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Best case for Gray at this point is to trade for another starter, and perhaps shut him down for a few weeks, to see if he can find it down the stretch (unlikely, but can we really keep running him out every 5th day)
Then come offseason, maybe we can trade him for a couple B level prospects, and hope the Yanks can pull off some more of their recent magic finding guys like Loaisiga.
I'm just spitballing here...as long as Tanaka's out, we're short on options barring a trade. German, Loaisiga, and hopefully Sheffield soon will make their starts, but being both young and with innings caps it's hard to count on them all the way through to October.
Why do they continue using Gray? This dude has been toast for awhile now?! He is no good. Meanwhile Boston is probably going sweep the KC and take the lead for good! smh. Why is it that Boston always gets the easiest schedule?
To see Gray shit the bed again. Eventually the Yankees have to decide what's more important, the team or Grays feelings. It's one thing to lose when he pitches. However,having to go deep into your bullpen could effect the next game also.
I think his feelings are the least of their concerns with him. They'll do whatever they have to with him for the better of the team.
Can't wait till the Sox come to town and they lay down like dogs just like everyone else...
Jays seem like the type of team you want to jump on early and don't give them any life. If they can even sniff a win, they play like their hair is on fire.
Yup. At that spot in the game the 3-0 has to be right down the middle or you take it. That pitch changed the whole AB and inning. He's just gotta be smarter there and know the situation. Hell, I would've made the guy throw two consecutive strikes if they weren't right down the middle.
The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.
Stanton. Truly embarrassing. Swings at 3-0 ball 4, low and inside. Swings at ball 4 high and away. Looks at the only strike Biagini throws in the at bat.
He was swinging at that 3-0 count pitch no matter where it was.
Of how bad gray is how about this Yankee offense with a chance to get back in this game, bases loaded 1 out and all they can muster was one run on a walk, This blue jay team sucks the Mets pounded them two games in a row, god forbid Stanton or Didi cleared the bases in that spot, no Stanton strikes out and Didi flys out. Red Sox would of scored 6 runs that inning Yankee settle for one run on a walk tho smh, speaking of Red Sox they are pounding the royals,
To see Gray shit the bed again. Eventually the Yankees have to decide what's more important, the team or Grays feelings. It's one thing to lose when he pitches. However,having to go deep into your bullpen could effect the next game also.
I think his feelings are the least of their concerns with him. They'll do whatever they have to with him for the better of the team.
With Tanaka coming back soon it will be interesting what they do with Gray.
the end of the game. He truly does not give a shit.
I get being frustrated but step off the ledge my friend. He’s a bad Yankees pitcher, he’s not a bad guy and he definitely gives a shit. It’s just not meant to be.
No he doesn't give a shit. He does not learn. He does the same thing every game. Shitty batter up and he nibbles and throw balls, gets behind and gives up a hit. I seriously doubt that he is incapable of throwing strikes, yet he keeps doing it..
Sorry for the outlandish rants. Tired of a player of his caliber refusing to compete. He refuses to alter his game. I would understand getting hit. I do not understand going 3-0, 3-1 every batter.
And side note: Hale managed to give us a shot at this one.
Veteran, switch hitter with versatility. My guess is they think his lack of playing time has hurt him, and now with some regular playing time he'll get another shot. Probably his last shot at sticking with the team though.
Definite props to Hale on the hold. He's done his job well tonight.
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he comes anywhere near the zone. And unfortunately nobody is biting at his pitches off the plate.
If he throws 94mph fastball down the middle and nobody can touch it, I am sure he wouldn’t throw anything else.
Rothchild should do something, anything different. Look at his Oakland A’s tapes. Go consult his old pitching coach. Something. Just telling him to nut up isn’t cutting it.
What are they waiting for with Sheffield? Haven’t they learned during these coiple of years? When this team needs a shot in the arm, the answer lies in the minors, in our system.
Billy Martin isn't his manager. Martin woulda buried him. I remember he hated Kenny Holtzman, and buried him. Every time he'd use Holtzman, Holtzman would pitch a great game, then go back into Martin's doghouse until he needed him again. Of course, old George M., would have run Sonny out of town on a rail a month ago.
looking UP at the Sox in the standings. Tough to keep up when a garbage Gray and two kids are getting the ball 3/5 of the time.
Job 1 this offseason has to be about improving the rotation. Severino is great. Tanaka was quite up and down before getting injured. CC's been mostly very good/great, but who knows if he'll be back next year, and he'll be another year older. You could make an argument the only solidified spot in the rotation next year is Severino. I don't really trust Tanaka completely next year as our #2 starter.
But its really frustrating to see games like tonight where we don't hit a lick. Monday vs the Braves, a week ago wed. Vs Philly. I know it's baseball and with our record most years we'd be in first by at least 4 or 5 games. However with this ridiculous race vs Boston it seems to get amplified.
Hick has been the team's only offensive player for about a week.
Shame because the team hit about 6 balls to center that were ripped and Pillar made great plays on 4 of them.
There was definitely bad luck (Travis also robbed them of a pair of hits), but Stanton and Judge were horrendous. That Stanton AB might've been the team's worst of the season and Judge looked clueless despite them throwing him the same damn pitch 80% of the time.
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Unless they're talking a deGrom/Bumgarner level trade, he shouldn't be on the table. Trading him for Fulmer (or Hamels/Happ) isn't the right move.
I'm with you on that. I don't think Cash includes him in a trade unless it's for one of those two Aces, and I don't see either one of them being traded so I think Frazier is a Yank going forward.
Billy Martin isn't his manager. Martin woulda buried him. I remember he hated Kenny Holtzman, and buried him. Every time he'd use Holtzman, Holtzman would pitch a great game, then go back into Martin's doghouse until he needed him again. Of course, old George M., would have run Sonny out of town on a rail a month ago.
You must be remembering wrong. Holtzman stunk once he got here. He was a top pitcher with Oakland. He was having a good season in Baltimore when we got him midseason and he suddenly lost it and never got it back.
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.
I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.
Billy Martin isn't his manager. Martin woulda buried him. I remember he hated Kenny Holtzman, and buried him. Every time he'd use Holtzman, Holtzman would pitch a great game, then go back into Martin's doghouse until he needed him again. Of course, old George M., would have run Sonny out of town on a rail a month ago.
You must be remembering wrong. Holtzman stunk once he got here. He was a top pitcher with Oakland. He was having a good season in Baltimore when we got him midseason and he suddenly lost it and never got it back.
I do remember that after he came over in '76 he did stink it up some. Completely forgot about that. It's been what.......40 years. wow....the memory gets hazy.
But 0-6 with RISP and saw Stanton at bat with bases loaded one out on Espn they broke down pitch by pitch. What an awful at bat he swung at ball four twice and looked at strike theee right down the pipe. And Neil Walker and Bird enough both hitless again. I saw rumors about Moustakas i pray they are true because this team needs another bat don’t care what anyone says and why is walker playing over drury what is this goddam obbsesion with walker
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.
I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.
Last year mark feinsand said on f a n after the White Sox trade to get Frazier Kanle and Robertson that Cashmans first choice was walker and Addison Reed from the mets but Alderson did not want to help the Yankees so a few days later is when we made that trade with the White Sox. He said Cashman really liked walker lol. Could you imagain.
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.
I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.
I'm not a fan of Walker in the utility role as he's the type of player who needs to play regularly. Given regular play and AB's he puts up decent power numbers and RBI's, plus is versatile and reliable in the field.
I think they went after him because they weren't sure Gleyber would be ready as early as he was or take the position by the throat and run with it.
Because of that Walker's been put into a utility role and he's not good at it. Toe does a great job at that but it's not easy for veteran guys who are used to playing regularly to be as effective when not playing every day. It might be halfway through the season for the team but as far as Walkers AB's go, he's more like a month or so in.
I think these next couple of weeks with Gleyber out is his last shot to show something. If he doesn't, then Toe is back when his family situation is taken care of. If Toe's not ready then Drury takes that role and hopefully they give Walker's spot to Frazier.
Walker has no role on this team, for the present or in the future. I have no idea why he’s taking ab’s from Drury. Drury hasn’t looked good either, but he is tradable if playing well.
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Walker has no role on this team, for the present or in the future. I have no idea why he’s taking ab’s from Drury. Drury hasn’t looked good either, but he is tradable if playing well.
I think Walker appeals to them because he's a switch hitter plus I think they see Drury as more of a 3B than a 2B and they feel more comfortable with Walker at 2B. I also think they feel if he gets these regular AB's while Gleyber is out, they'll either get what they expected out of him or know he's finished.
Look,I'm not disagreeing with you on Walker's role/non role on the team. I'm only offering up my opinion on what they think of him, and why they're thinking the way they are.
Thankfully but Gardy is still in there today starting vs the lefty and leading off. I don't know his numbers against Happ but I haven't been liking what I'm seeing from Gardy vs lefties. If he's got good numbers I can see him in there but if not, why isn't Frazier playing today?
Drury starting at 2B as well. I guess Walker and Drury are going to platoon at 2B while Gleyber is out.
Nights like tonight are why we're not in first place.
I could single out about 20 overreactive posts from anyone but cmon already. They aren’t in first because Boston is on an insane win pace and so are the yanks. One loss in fricking July and some of you go ape shit.
Sonny gray cares. He’s just not any good. He can’t pitch in the Bronx because he’s a right handed pitcher that isnt good enough to deal with the hr dimensions in NY. Sky dome isn’t much easier if at all. Yanks aren’t panicking or sitting guys like gray before the halfway mark because they can’t panic. And they can’t act like a bunch of idiots.
That Boston is having an insanely good season. Would you have felt the same way last night if Boston was on a 90 win pace? I doubt it.
Yanks are having a terrific year. One pitching disappointment has been Gray and maybe shreve. Some injuries but nothing crippling although the Sanchez injury will hurt more than some believed. Romine isn’t a star catcher like Sanchez is despite the low average or passed balls.
I still think Boston has a rough stretch in them. Yanks just need to continue taking 2-3 every series.
Looked low as well to me.
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A bit too far inside for a strike three call imo
Looked low as well to me.
Low maybe, but overhead shows it nicked the corner. Not really a bad call.
How does a major league umpire miss that? How?
These guys should be fined by MLB.
2nd inning - He still refuses to throw strikes...
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throw strikes. Fuckin' weenie.
2nd inning - He still refuses to throw strikes...
So frustrating and I just don't get it. He gets good movement on his pitches but won't come near the plate with them. If he started them as strikes he'd probably get guys to chase but he starts so many them off the plate and guys just spit on them.
Sonny Gray is lose day on a team that might win 103 games.
He has plenty good enough stuff to get guys out. He's just a mental midget and that is not going to all of a sudden change. Send him packing immediately for a high five and a coke, admit your mistake and move on
Sonny Gray is lose day on a team that might win 103 games.
It's bad enough he's a lose day guy but he's been burning up the pen in the process by not giving them innings. That's a double whammy.
IDGAF what he puts together on another team... just get him off of this one.
Just get rid of him tomorrow.
Cashman hasn't made many mistakes, that was one. Admit failure and move on and don't let him see another start for this ball club.
I can’t wait for him to be off the team. Anyone is better than him at this point, kid is cancerous to the clubhouse, just a loser with no winning/gamer mentality. He needs to go back to a “no one cares” market team where he won’t be expected to do anything and it won’t matter.
These dumb ass umps cannot even get a strike call right.
What the hell man? Stop posting tonight if you feel that way. This game is far from over with the Yankee offense.
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Np bro. Appreciate it.
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I get being frustrated but step off the ledge my friend. He’s a bad Yankees pitcher, he’s not a bad guy and he definitely gives a shit. It’s just not meant to be.
Does he have any trade value at this point? Trading him straight up for Happ a possibility? I don't know if TOR would want him...
Didn’t hit me until they just said it on the broadcast, 16 HRs is already Hicks career high, before the all star break.
As long as he can stay healthy, what a find he’s been
Does he have any trade value at this point? Trading him straight up for Happ a possibility? I don't know if TOR would want him...
I suspect we’ll trade him eventually, may not be able to until the offseason. Strikes me as the kind of pitcher who will find it again in someplace like Pittsburgh or Milwaukee
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He's under contract for a few years still. I hate to give up on him, but you can't keep pitching him if he's going to go 3 and give up 5.
Does he have any trade value at this point? Trading him straight up for Happ a possibility? I don't know if TOR would want him...
I suspect we’ll trade him eventually, may not be able to until the offseason. Strikes me as the kind of pitcher who will find it again in someplace like Pittsburgh or Milwaukee
I agree that I think he offers a lot of value to a smaller market team, especially an noncompetitive one. Maybe as part of a package in a trade for Hand?
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but Hicks continues to arrive. It's incredible how he has taken that CF position.
Didn’t hit me until they just said it on the broadcast, 16 HRs is already Hicks career high, before the all star break.
As long as he can stay healthy, what a find he’s been
Traded John Ryan Murphy for him straight up. Cashman is a genius.
The Yankees need starting pitching and he's got time left on the deal.
That combination means that, in all likelihood, he kicks around and at the very worst gets pushed to long relief in the bullpen to try and regain some confidence. Then again if Hicks and Stanton stay hot and they steal one, he likely keeps the slot.
Either way, I don't see him moved from the roster one way or another.
Best case for Gray at this point is to trade for another starter, and perhaps shut him down for a few weeks, to see if he can find it down the stretch (unlikely, but can we really keep running him out every 5th day)
Then come offseason, maybe we can trade him for a couple B level prospects, and hope the Yanks can pull off some more of their recent magic finding guys like Loaisiga.
I'm just spitballing here...as long as Tanaka's out, we're short on options barring a trade. German, Loaisiga, and hopefully Sheffield soon will make their starts, but being both young and with innings caps it's hard to count on them all the way through to October.
I think his feelings are the least of their concerns with him. They'll do whatever they have to with him for the better of the team.
Jays seem like the type of team you want to jump on early and don't give them any life. If they can even sniff a win, they play like their hair is on fire.
...get him the fuck off this team.
Don't let him get on the team charter flight out of Toronto.
Give him a regular commercial flight ticket to anywhere he wants to go.
Anywhere but NY.
Yup. At that spot in the game the 3-0 has to be right down the middle or you take it. That pitch changed the whole AB and inning. He's just gotta be smarter there and know the situation. Hell, I would've made the guy throw two consecutive strikes if they weren't right down the middle.
Stanton has been great lately but that was a horrific AB. Swings at 2 balls on 3-0 and then takes strike 3.
He was swinging at that 3-0 count pitch no matter where it was.
And side note: Hale managed to give us a shot at this one.
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To see Gray shit the bed again. Eventually the Yankees have to decide what's more important, the team or Grays feelings. It's one thing to lose when he pitches. However,having to go deep into your bullpen could effect the next game also.
I think his feelings are the least of their concerns with him. They'll do whatever they have to with him for the better of the team.
With Tanaka coming back soon it will be interesting what they do with Gray.
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the end of the game. He truly does not give a shit.
I get being frustrated but step off the ledge my friend. He’s a bad Yankees pitcher, he’s not a bad guy and he definitely gives a shit. It’s just not meant to be.
No he doesn't give a shit. He does not learn. He does the same thing every game. Shitty batter up and he nibbles and throw balls, gets behind and gives up a hit. I seriously doubt that he is incapable of throwing strikes, yet he keeps doing it..
Sorry for the outlandish rants. Tired of a player of his caliber refusing to compete. He refuses to alter his game. I would understand getting hit. I do not understand going 3-0, 3-1 every batter.
And side note: Hale managed to give us a shot at this one.
Veteran, switch hitter with versatility. My guess is they think his lack of playing time has hurt him, and now with some regular playing time he'll get another shot. Probably his last shot at sticking with the team though.
Definite props to Hale on the hold. He's done his job well tonight.
If he throws 94mph fastball down the middle and nobody can touch it, I am sure he wouldn’t throw anything else.
Rothchild should do something, anything different. Look at his Oakland A’s tapes. Go consult his old pitching coach. Something. Just telling him to nut up isn’t cutting it.
What are they waiting for with Sheffield? Haven’t they learned during these coiple of years? When this team needs a shot in the arm, the answer lies in the minors, in our system.
Frazier hit two more homers yesterday.
I think it could happen in five days. The Hale part but not sure Sonny sees the mound again soon unless it's in a blowout relief appearance.
That said, the O only has four damn hits tonight so far. Four!
Ah ok, my bad. Thought you meant he was just having trouble starting.
Agreed but still a long way to go, and no doubt Cashman is gonna get some pitching help.
Job 1 this offseason has to be about improving the rotation. Severino is great. Tanaka was quite up and down before getting injured. CC's been mostly very good/great, but who knows if he'll be back next year, and he'll be another year older. You could make an argument the only solidified spot in the rotation next year is Severino. I don't really trust Tanaka completely next year as our #2 starter.
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Because it's starting to look like Gardy is a platoon candidate.
Frazier hit two more homers yesterday.
Gardy is my favorite player, but it is getting pretty hard to not get Frazier up to the big club.
Judge and Stanton were just awful.
Hick has been the team's only offensive player for about a week.
Shame because the team hit about 6 balls to center that were ripped and Pillar made great plays on 4 of them.
Yeah, I agree and think that's their plan but Gardy just isn't getting it done vs lefties lately. I'm not sure that's going to get any better either.
I say find a spot for Frazier and get him in there platooning with Gardy.
Judge and Stanton were just awful.
Hick has been the team's only offensive player for about a week.
Shame because the team hit about 6 balls to center that were ripped and Pillar made great plays on 4 of them.
There was definitely bad luck (Travis also robbed them of a pair of hits), but Stanton and Judge were horrendous. That Stanton AB might've been the team's worst of the season and Judge looked clueless despite them throwing him the same damn pitch 80% of the time.
Unless they're talking a deGrom/Bumgarner level trade, he shouldn't be on the table. Trading him for Fulmer (or Hamels/Happ) isn't the right move.
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Unless they're talking a deGrom/Bumgarner level trade, he shouldn't be on the table. Trading him for Fulmer (or Hamels/Happ) isn't the right move.
I'm with you on that. I don't think Cash includes him in a trade unless it's for one of those two Aces, and I don't see either one of them being traded so I think Frazier is a Yank going forward.
I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.
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Billy Martin isn't his manager. Martin woulda buried him. I remember he hated Kenny Holtzman, and buried him. Every time he'd use Holtzman, Holtzman would pitch a great game, then go back into Martin's doghouse until he needed him again. Of course, old George M., would have run Sonny out of town on a rail a month ago.
You must be remembering wrong. Holtzman stunk once he got here. He was a top pitcher with Oakland. He was having a good season in Baltimore when we got him midseason and he suddenly lost it and never got it back.
I do remember that after he came over in '76 he did stink it up some. Completely forgot about that. It's been what.......40 years. wow....the memory gets hazy.
.236 on the road this year.
Kinda feels like the team took their Tampa Bat bats from late June to Toronto last night.
Throw in Sonny Gray and bada bing bada boom... two games behind the Red Sawx.
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.
I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.
Last year mark feinsand said on f a n after the White Sox trade to get Frazier Kanle and Robertson that Cashmans first choice was walker and Addison Reed from the mets but Alderson did not want to help the Yankees so a few days later is when we made that trade with the White Sox. He said Cashman really liked walker lol. Could you imagain.
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.
I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.
I'm not a fan of Walker in the utility role as he's the type of player who needs to play regularly. Given regular play and AB's he puts up decent power numbers and RBI's, plus is versatile and reliable in the field.
I think they went after him because they weren't sure Gleyber would be ready as early as he was or take the position by the throat and run with it.
Because of that Walker's been put into a utility role and he's not good at it. Toe does a great job at that but it's not easy for veteran guys who are used to playing regularly to be as effective when not playing every day. It might be halfway through the season for the team but as far as Walkers AB's go, he's more like a month or so in.
I think these next couple of weeks with Gleyber out is his last shot to show something. If he doesn't, then Toe is back when his family situation is taken care of. If Toe's not ready then Drury takes that role and hopefully they give Walker's spot to Frazier.
I think Walker appeals to them because he's a switch hitter plus I think they see Drury as more of a 3B than a 2B and they feel more comfortable with Walker at 2B. I also think they feel if he gets these regular AB's while Gleyber is out, they'll either get what they expected out of him or know he's finished.
Look,I'm not disagreeing with you on Walker's role/non role on the team. I'm only offering up my opinion on what they think of him, and why they're thinking the way they are.
Thankfully but Gardy is still in there today starting vs the lefty and leading off. I don't know his numbers against Happ but I haven't been liking what I'm seeing from Gardy vs lefties. If he's got good numbers I can see him in there but if not, why isn't Frazier playing today?
Drury starting at 2B as well. I guess Walker and Drury are going to platoon at 2B while Gleyber is out.
Yeah I'm surprised by that too. I knew they sent him down but hadn't heard about the 40 man part. Could this be a move to get Sheffield on it?
I could single out about 20 overreactive posts from anyone but cmon already. They aren’t in first because Boston is on an insane win pace and so are the yanks. One loss in fricking July and some of you go ape shit.
Sonny gray cares. He’s just not any good. He can’t pitch in the Bronx because he’s a right handed pitcher that isnt good enough to deal with the hr dimensions in NY. Sky dome isn’t much easier if at all. Yanks aren’t panicking or sitting guys like gray before the halfway mark because they can’t panic. And they can’t act like a bunch of idiots.
Yanks are having a terrific year. One pitching disappointment has been Gray and maybe shreve. Some injuries but nothing crippling although the Sanchez injury will hurt more than some believed. Romine isn’t a star catcher like Sanchez is despite the low average or passed balls.
I still think Boston has a rough stretch in them. Yanks just need to continue taking 2-3 every series.
Read that he is on a short DL stint for right shoulder inflammation. Tests with Ahmad on Monday.