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adamg : 7/6/2018 7:16 pm
LF Gardner
RF Judge
CF Hicks
DH Stanton
SS Didi
3B Andujar
1B Bird
C Romine
2B Walker

And Gray on the mound. Let's go!
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Overall the offense and the #'s are great  
Stu11 : 7/6/2018 10:12 pm : link
But its really frustrating to see games like tonight where we don't hit a lick. Monday vs the Braves, a week ago wed. Vs Philly. I know it's baseball and with our record most years we'd be in first by at least 4 or 5 games. However with this ridiculous race vs Boston it seems to get amplified.
RE: RE: Yankees Hitting  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2018 10:22 pm : link
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Judge and Stanton were just awful.

Hick has been the team's only offensive player for about a week.

Shame because the team hit about 6 balls to center that were ripped and Pillar made great plays on 4 of them.


There was definitely bad luck (Travis also robbed them of a pair of hits), but Stanton and Judge were horrendous. That Stanton AB might've been the team's worst of the season and Judge looked clueless despite them throwing him the same damn pitch 80% of the time.
RE: I suspect Frazier will be a full-time starter next season.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2018 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14007863 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Unless they're talking a deGrom/Bumgarner level trade, he shouldn't be on the table. Trading him for Fulmer (or Hamels/Happ) isn't the right move.
RE: RE: I suspect Frazier will be a full-time starter next season.  
Eman11 : 7/6/2018 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14007872 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Unless they're talking a deGrom/Bumgarner level trade, he shouldn't be on the table. Trading him for Fulmer (or Hamels/Happ) isn't the right move.


I'm with you on that. I don't think Cash includes him in a trade unless it's for one of those two Aces, and I don't see either one of them being traded so I think Frazier is a Yank going forward.
RE: Gray's lucky  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/6/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14007847 Photoguy said:
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Billy Martin isn't his manager. Martin woulda buried him. I remember he hated Kenny Holtzman, and buried him. Every time he'd use Holtzman, Holtzman would pitch a great game, then go back into Martin's doghouse until he needed him again. Of course, old George M., would have run Sonny out of town on a rail a month ago.
You must be remembering wrong. Holtzman stunk once he got here. He was a top pitcher with Oakland. He was having a good season in Baltimore when we got him midseason and he suddenly lost it and never got it back.
RE: Yikes, don’t know if Gray is salvageable now.  
NoGainDayne : 7/6/2018 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14007822 Jim in Hoboken said:
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.


I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.
RE: RE: Gray's lucky  
Photoguy : 7/7/2018 6:35 am : link
In comment 14007887 Ron from Ninerland said:
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Billy Martin isn't his manager. Martin woulda buried him. I remember he hated Kenny Holtzman, and buried him. Every time he'd use Holtzman, Holtzman would pitch a great game, then go back into Martin's doghouse until he needed him again. Of course, old George M., would have run Sonny out of town on a rail a month ago.

You must be remembering wrong. Holtzman stunk once he got here. He was a top pitcher with Oakland. He was having a good season in Baltimore when we got him midseason and he suddenly lost it and never got it back.


I do remember that after he came over in '76 he did stink it up some. Completely forgot about that. It's been what.......40 years. wow....the memory gets hazy.
Ron,  
Photoguy : 7/7/2018 6:38 am : link
you're 100% correct. I just checked his stats, and indeed he did lose it after coming over.
Yankees Batting...  
M.S. : 7/7/2018 6:42 am : link

.236 on the road this year.

Kinda feels like the team took their Tampa Bat bats from late June to Toronto last night.

Throw in Sonny Gray and bada bing bada boom... two games behind the Red Sawx.
The Yankees are 7-10 when Gray starts  
arniefez : 7/7/2018 6:44 am : link
and 49-19 when anyone else starts. Boone said last night they think he's still the best option they have. That needs to change by 7/31.
Didn’t watch the game  
nygnyy274 : 7/7/2018 7:05 am : link
But 0-6 with RISP and saw Stanton at bat with bases loaded one out on Espn they broke down pitch by pitch. What an awful at bat he swung at ball four twice and looked at strike theee right down the pipe. And Neil Walker and Bird enough both hitless again. I saw rumors about Moustakas i pray they are true because this team needs another bat don’t care what anyone says and why is walker playing over drury what is this goddam obbsesion with walker
RE: RE: Yikes, don’t know if Gray is salvageable now.  
nygnyy274 : 7/7/2018 7:22 am : link
In comment 14007893 NoGainDayne said:
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.



I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.


Last year mark feinsand said on f a n after the White Sox trade to get Frazier Kanle and Robertson that Cashmans first choice was walker and Addison Reed from the mets but Alderson did not want to help the Yankees so a few days later is when we made that trade with the White Sox. He said Cashman really liked walker lol. Could you imagain.
RE: RE: Yikes, don’t know if Gray is salvageable now.  
Eman11 : 7/7/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 14007893 NoGainDayne said:
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The Drury trade might turn out to be a dud also. Widener and Solak are both playing well. And Drury can’t get time ahead of Walker? I mean, do they really think Walker will be that lefty bat off the bench getting big hits in the playoffs? C’mon, let’s see what Drury can do, let’s not let trade look worse than it already has.



I don’t know what Walker has on literally everyone in the league maybe he’s just very likeable but I’m so sick of everyone saying what a professional hitter he is. Sure he’s hit .269 over his career but that isn’t a mandate to bat when you are below the Mendoza line. This isn’t a month in. We are halfway through the season.


I'm not a fan of Walker in the utility role as he's the type of player who needs to play regularly. Given regular play and AB's he puts up decent power numbers and RBI's, plus is versatile and reliable in the field.

I think they went after him because they weren't sure Gleyber would be ready as early as he was or take the position by the throat and run with it.

Because of that Walker's been put into a utility role and he's not good at it. Toe does a great job at that but it's not easy for veteran guys who are used to playing regularly to be as effective when not playing every day. It might be halfway through the season for the team but as far as Walkers AB's go, he's more like a month or so in.

I think these next couple of weeks with Gleyber out is his last shot to show something. If he doesn't, then Toe is back when his family situation is taken care of. If Toe's not ready then Drury takes that role and hopefully they give Walker's spot to Frazier.
So Cash likes Walker more than Drury?  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/7/2018 11:46 am : link
Walker has no role on this team, for the present or in the future. I have no idea why he’s taking ab’s from Drury. Drury hasn’t looked good either, but he is tradable if playing well.
To think Drury was the planned starter over Andujar this season.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2018 11:54 am : link
Woof.
RE: So Cash likes Walker more than Drury?  
Eman11 : 7/7/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14007987 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Walker has no role on this team, for the present or in the future. I have no idea why he’s taking ab’s from Drury. Drury hasn’t looked good either, but he is tradable if playing well.


I think Walker appeals to them because he's a switch hitter plus I think they see Drury as more of a 3B than a 2B and they feel more comfortable with Walker at 2B. I also think they feel if he gets these regular AB's while Gleyber is out, they'll either get what they expected out of him or know he's finished.

Look,I'm not disagreeing with you on Walker's role/non role on the team. I'm only offering up my opinion on what they think of him, and why they're thinking the way they are.
Frazier has been called back up.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2018 1:31 pm : link
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RE: Frazier has been called back up.  
Eman11 : 7/7/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14008028 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Thankfully but Gardy is still in there today starting vs the lefty and leading off. I don't know his numbers against Happ but I haven't been liking what I'm seeing from Gardy vs lefties. If he's got good numbers I can see him in there but if not, why isn't Frazier playing today?

Drury starting at 2B as well. I guess Walker and Drury are going to platoon at 2B while Gleyber is out.
Who was sent down? Hale?  
yatqb : 7/7/2018 1:59 pm : link
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Wow  
BigBlueShock : 7/7/2018 2:04 pm : link
Hale was taken off the 40 man and will have go through waivers. Very surprised by this
RE: Wow  
Eman11 : 7/7/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14008040 BigBlueShock said:
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Hale was taken off the 40 man and will have go through waivers. Very surprised by this


Yeah I'm surprised by that too. I knew they sent him down but hadn't heard about the 40 man part. Could this be a move to get Sheffield on it?
RE: Meanwhile, we can't beat the fucking Blue Jays.  
djm : 7/7/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14007846 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Nights like tonight are why we're not in first place.


I could single out about 20 overreactive posts from anyone but cmon already. They aren’t in first because Boston is on an insane win pace and so are the yanks. One loss in fricking July and some of you go ape shit.

Sonny gray cares. He’s just not any good. He can’t pitch in the Bronx because he’s a right handed pitcher that isnt good enough to deal with the hr dimensions in NY. Sky dome isn’t much easier if at all. Yanks aren’t panicking or sitting guys like gray before the halfway mark because they can’t panic. And they can’t act like a bunch of idiots.
^Missed the point, but no shock there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2018 2:40 pm : link
Anyway. Francesa just tweeted that Loaisiga is being shutdown with a shoulder issue?
They aren’t in first place for no other reason  
djm : 7/7/2018 2:53 pm : link
That Boston is having an insanely good season. Would you have felt the same way last night if Boston was on a 90 win pace? I doubt it.

Yanks are having a terrific year. One pitching disappointment has been Gray and maybe shreve. Some injuries but nothing crippling although the Sanchez injury will hurt more than some believed. Romine isn’t a star catcher like Sanchez is despite the low average or passed balls.

I still think Boston has a rough stretch in them. Yanks just need to continue taking 2-3 every series.
nice bloop double there by Granderson  
RasputinPrime : 7/7/2018 6:37 pm : link
jesus.
RE: ^Missed the point, but no shock there.  
RasputinPrime : 7/7/2018 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14008061 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Anyway. Francesa just tweeted that Loaisiga is being shutdown with a shoulder issue?


Read that he is on a short DL stint for right shoulder inflammation. Tests with Ahmad on Monday.
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