NFT: Yankees at Bluejays Game Thread: Frazier called up

see CC was tossed from the bench for arguing pitches and then I see Blue Jays manager John Gibbons tossed for the same.

I would think that the ump has a problem if both sides have people tossed arguing balls and strikes. This is the shit that MLB needs to discipline umpires for.

Over 70 pitches and it’s only the 3rd inning.

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In comment 14008150 nygnyy274 said:

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Over 70 pitches and it’s only the 3rd inning.

Yeah, not to sharp today. Hope he can get through 5...

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In comment 14008082 BigBlueShock said: Quote: It would be nice if they’d hurry this up. Like, within the next half hour? Unless of course he already knows he has a good chance to end up in NY and goes out there and does us a solid today... What’s the rush? Longer you wait the less you might have to give.

It went over your head apparently

In comment 14008121 rich in DC said:

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In comment 14008089 BC Eagles94 said: Quote: Cessa will now make the other start on Monday in double header. He will be the extra player for the double header and then go right back down to minors. DFA'ing Hale was a no brainer since he wouldn't be available for 4-5 days. Already carrying an extra pitcher so a position player was the move. Not to mention def needed Frazier with the two lefties pitching this weekend and a double header on Monday. Tanaka back on Tuesday. I don't think this is what is going to happen. I think Tanaka pitches one of the games- but I think with Loiasiga going down, there is a good chance that the Yanks might start Sheffield. Sheffield is the scheduled starter tomorrow for AAA. It would not be a big deal to bump his start back one day. Remember that the Yanks just opened a 40 man roster spot by DFAing Hale. That can easily go to Sheffield.

Wrong Rich. Tanaka is pitching TU. CC is pitching one of the DH games. Cessa will be pitching the other. They're not going to commit a 40 man spot to Sheffield yet, unless he is really needed. And a one-time spot start for a DH is not that.

being pulled?

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being pulled?

"Cramping in his left leg"

Sounds like *phew* moment...

IN HIS LEFT LEG

would hope he is OK, but wouldn't mind seeing Frazier. Hopefully Hicks will play and Gardner rested vs a lefty -- he is hot as of late but Boone likes to rest the old guys on artificial turf.

Bummed I will not see Torres

In comment 14008172 Jay in Toronto said:

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IN HIS LEFT LEG

Yeah, just heard that. Thanks...

GArdner looked like he should have called everyone off and made it... maybe it was a bit out of reach...

should be written out of existence. We have two of them in our division too.

Almost effed up the 1st pop up in the 7th and Gardner bailed him out. Then looked like he got in Gardner's way on the 2nd one, giving Grandy a double.

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Almost effed up the 1st pop up in the 7th and Gardner bailed him out. Then looked like he got in Gardner's way on the 2nd one, giving Grandy a double.

Maybe so but Gardy misplayed the 2nd one. His first step or two was back and that cost him any chance of coming in and making the catch.

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In comment 14008181 section125 said: Quote: Almost effed up the 1st pop up in the 7th and Gardner bailed him out. Then looked like he got in Gardner's way on the 2nd one, giving Grandy a double. Maybe so but Gardy misplayed the 2nd one. His first step or two was back and that cost him any chance of coming in and making the catch.

While the drop step slowed him, the ball dropped 10 feet in front of him and he had stopped because of Drury running straight out. No Drury, and Gardner gets there. Drury had no chance at the ball.
So I disagree. Gardner catches it without Drury in the way.

It's Red Thunder time!

In comment 14008191 Dave in Buffalo said:

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It's Red Thunder time!

or not...

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In comment 14008184 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 14008181 section125 said: Quote: Almost effed up the 1st pop up in the 7th and Gardner bailed him out. Then looked like he got in Gardner's way on the 2nd one, giving Grandy a double. Maybe so but Gardy misplayed the 2nd one. His first step or two was back and that cost him any chance of coming in and making the catch. While the drop step slowed him, the ball dropped 10 feet in front of him and he had stopped because of Drury running straight out. No Drury, and Gardner gets there. Drury had no chance at the ball. So I disagree. Gardner catches it without Drury in the way.

C'mon man. I know you like Gardy and we all do but that was clearly on him and was a bit more than a drop step. More like a full step/step and a half back. Had he broke in immediately he would've had a shot at catching it regardless of whatever Drury did. If he's charging in the whole way chances are he's calling for it the whole time and Drury isn't anywhere near the play. Can't fault Drury for going back and trying to catch it.

I also think he stopped because once he knew he couldn't get it, he didn't want the ball bouncing over his head like it did to Pillar earlier. Which was the smart play there. No doubt he took the hint from the Pillar play.

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He was 10 ft from the ball when it hit the turf. That is one running step - 1. Gardy was standing still when it landed. If he is running he catches it. OFs often misjudge
flies and the fast ones can make up for it.

Wanna blame him, fine if it makes you happy. Point is Drury had no chance whatsoever on the 1st pop up and almost got in the way and had none on the 2nd and he did was get in everyone's way.

inside and the ump was looking right down that batter's box line on the catcher's left shoulder.

Another how can you possibly miss that call pitch...

Glad everybody saw it and took him out right away.

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Hicks and Chapman all injuried today. Really nice. Red Sox no injuries tho.

Chappy?

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Something's wrong with his leg -- seems to have a brace on it. Limped on it after his last pitch.

crap. Hopefully just a tweak. Fingers crossed.

Was Chapman even pitching in a non save situation

Probably get tomorrow off due to the doubleheader.

Same knee tendintis for Chapman, thinks he's fine. Chapman said he could continue but Boone didn't want to take any chances.

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Was Chapman even pitching in a non save situation

because he hadn't pitched since July 3 and does worse the more rest he has.

In comment 14008221 13ODB said:

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Was Chapman even pitching in a non save situation

Are closers only supposed to pitch in save situations? Have you ever watched how every manager uses their closer? I know I sound like a dick but that is a ridiculous comment.

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In comment 14008221 13ODB said: Quote: Was Chapman even pitching in a non save situation Are closers only supposed to pitch in save situations? Have you ever watched how every manager uses their closer? I know I sound like a dick but that is a ridiculous comment.

Yep, closers and setup men all need work to stay sharp. Hey, the alternative was Shreve...
Oh wait, it was anyway.

And wow they still won! Remarkable.

With Sonny Gary in their Rotation. He always struggles and rarely gets to the 5th inning with a lead. He is an Automatic loss, and a bull pen killer. The Yankees have to make a deal to replace Gray or bite the bullet and promote Sheffield. Sheffield has nastier stuff than Gray and is a AAA all star with a low ERA and high strike out %. He is also a lefty. Many fans and sports writers claim that the Yankees would be worse off with Sheffield that Gray, because Sheffield has not pitched in the major leagues . All I can say is that Sheffield is a better pitcher than Gray who could not replace Sheffield as the Ace in Scranton. He is also better than Johny " Lasgana" who was promoted from AA, pitched for the Yanks and was sent down to AAA. I don't understand the logic of "you cant promote an unproven Starter" Under that logic no young pitcher in your organization would ever make it to the majors. It is ridiculous to make the argument that a young pitcher is not ready yet. How do you ever know when a pitcher is ready? Sheffield is 22 y/o and not 19 and has shown he has the stuff to pitch in MLB and his stats show that he is ready If he is traded to a last place team for a re-tread ML starter the writers would say ,,its now ok to start him in MLB with that struggling team because there is no pressure. There is pressure everywhere in the Major Leagues compared to AAA due to the higher level of competition to keep your job and the MONEY you are paid and need to protect. What is the MLB minimum salary now.. is it not over $2 million a year? That is why the Major leagues is referred to as the "SHOW" by players on the way up who don't see that kind of money in AAA or below. Cashman made a trade in 2016 to acquire Sheffield for a reason. He has the TALENT to succeed in MLB. We have seen the decline of Sonny Gray and how he hurts your entire pitching staff by not providing enough quality innings. When he pitches the game is usually over by the third inning. I am not sure what Cashman or the scouts saw in Gray when he was pitching for Oakland. Whatever they saw was a mirage. The time for Sheffield is NOW, or forget about winning the division.

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With Sonny Gary in their Rotation. He always struggles and rarely gets to the 5th inning with a lead. He is an Automatic loss, and a bull pen killer. The Yankees have to make a deal to replace Gray or bite the bullet and promote Sheffield. Sheffield has nastier stuff than Gray and is a AAA all star with a low ERA and high strike out %. He is also a lefty. Many fans and sports writers claim that the Yankees would be worse off with Sheffield that Gray, because Sheffield has not pitched in the major leagues . All I can say is that Sheffield is a better pitcher than Gray who could not replace Sheffield as the Ace in Scranton. He is also better than Johny " Lasgana" who was promoted from AA, pitched for the Yanks and was sent down to AAA. I don't understand the logic of "you cant promote an unproven Starter" Under that logic no young pitcher in your organization would ever make it to the majors. It is ridiculous to make the argument that a young pitcher is not ready yet. How do you ever know when a pitcher is ready? Sheffield is 22 y/o and not 19 and has shown he has the stuff to pitch in MLB and his stats show that he is ready If he is traded to a last place team for a re-tread ML starter the writers would say ,,its now ok to start him in MLB with that struggling team because there is no pressure. There is pressure everywhere in the Major Leagues compared to AAA due to the higher level of competition to keep your job and the MONEY you are paid and need to protect. What is the MLB minimum salary now.. is it not over $2 million a year? That is why the Major leagues is referred to as the "SHOW" by players on the way up who don't see that kind of money in AAA or below. Cashman made a trade in 2016 to acquire Sheffield for a reason. He has the TALENT to succeed in MLB. We have seen the decline of Sonny Gray and how he hurts your entire pitching staff by not providing enough quality innings. When he pitches the game is usually over by the third inning. I am not sure what Cashman or the scouts saw in Gray when he was pitching for Oakland. Whatever they saw was a mirage. The time for Sheffield is NOW, or forget about winning the division.

trolls always troll

In comment 14008338 rich in DC said:

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In comment 14008312 Alwaysblue22 said: Quote: With Sonny Gary in their Rotation. He always struggles and rarely gets to the 5th inning with a lead. He is an Automatic loss, and a bull pen killer. The Yankees have to make a deal to replace Gray or bite the bullet and promote Sheffield. Sheffield has nastier stuff than Gray and is a AAA all star with a low ERA and high strike out %. He is also a lefty. Many fans and sports writers claim that the Yankees would be worse off with Sheffield that Gray, because Sheffield has not pitched in the major leagues . All I can say is that Sheffield is a better pitcher than Gray who could not replace Sheffield as the Ace in Scranton. He is also better than Johny " Lasgana" who was promoted from AA, pitched for the Yanks and was sent down to AAA. I don't understand the logic of "you cant promote an unproven Starter" Under that logic no young pitcher in your organization would ever make it to the majors. It is ridiculous to make the argument that a young pitcher is not ready yet. How do you ever know when a pitcher is ready? Sheffield is 22 y/o and not 19 and has shown he has the stuff to pitch in MLB and his stats show that he is ready If he is traded to a last place team for a re-tread ML starter the writers would say ,,its now ok to start him in MLB with that struggling team because there is no pressure. There is pressure everywhere in the Major Leagues compared to AAA due to the higher level of competition to keep your job and the MONEY you are paid and need to protect. What is the MLB minimum salary now.. is it not over $2 million a year? That is why the Major leagues is referred to as the "SHOW" by players on the way up who don't see that kind of money in AAA or below. Cashman made a trade in 2016 to acquire Sheffield for a reason. He has the TALENT to succeed in MLB. We have seen the decline of Sonny Gray and how he hurts your entire pitching staff by not providing enough quality innings. When he pitches the game is usually over by the third inning. I am not sure what Cashman or the scouts saw in Gray when he was pitching for Oakland. Whatever they saw was a mirage. The time for Sheffield is NOW, or forget about winning the division. trolls always troll

Troll or no troll, Sonny Gray needs to be off this team. As in N.O.W.

Look, I know Yankees fans are incredibly impatient and Gray has been dreadful for the most part. But the best thing for this teams chances to win a championship this season is for Gray to get this figured out. Dumping him only creates yet another hole in the rotation. You may not like it, and we always want immediate results, but Gray isn’t going anywhere for now. They NEED him and they will ride this out as long as they can because, well, it’s in the best interest of the team long term. You’re just going to have to learn to deal with it.

Gray would not beat out Sheffield as the Ace for AAA Scranton. I don't think you are a real Yankee fan. Based on your comments about Gray you like Boston or the Mets.

In comment 14008375 Alwaysblue22 said:

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Gray would not beat out Sheffield as the Ace for AAA Scranton. I don't think you are a real Yankee fan. Based on your comments about Gray you like Boston or the Mets.

can we stop it with his obvious troll?

there are no easy answers. As above, best case scenario is hw figures it out here- that’s what a Yankees fan has to hope for at this point. Otherwise you’re selling real low and creating another roster hole. Saying you want him
off the team doesn’t fix the problem. It’s obviously best he fixes it here and becomes a longterm asset, if that’s still a possibility, maybe out of the pen for awhile.

Guys figure it out -- fans wanted Betances dumped 2 months ago.

He can be shelved for a few weeks because of the break, and maybe go to the back of the pen.

After the break if he's not straightened out, then maybe he can be part of a waiver trade.

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Gray would not beat out Sheffield as the Ace for AAA Scranton. I don't think you are a real Yankee fan. Based on your comments about Gray you like Boston or the Mets.

You are a real piece of shit. You register in November 2017, make a fool of yourself every single time you post, and you say I’m a Red Sox fan or Mets fan? Just more evidence that your sorry ass has no clue what you’re talking about.

Are you ever going to tell us what your last handle was, troll? What a pathetic, pathetic life.

You call me a Troll because you cannot logically refute what I have stated. Gray hurts the bull pen that is vital to this current Yankees team by not providing enough innings up front. Sheffield will do no worse than Gray, and is more likely to provide 5 innings that Gray cant even do. It is the people who want to keep Gray or want the Yanks to trade for a ML re-tread for some kind of "INSTANT UPGRADE" and not promote Sheffield who are impatient. Bring up Sheffield and let him develop his talents in the major leagues in 2018 so the Yanks will be in a better position in 2019. The Yanks are an entertaining team that hits lots of HRs but they will not be a Championship winner with Sonny Gray over working the bullpen....they have no chance. Al least Sheffield gives you a CHANCE and can further develop in 2018 at the ML level and not be brought up with no experience next year. Put Gray of the DL with an "Injury" or only trade for another 35y/o pitcher if the trading partner agrees to take Gray.

You’d think Cashman would get the benefit of doubt at this point in regards to knowing when the right time is to bring prospects up. But I guess trolls on BBI know better. Sheffield is on a strict innings limit and they are managing his innings in the minors so that he will be available to them later in the season. Why is that so hard to understand?

If they are going to use Sheffield later in the Season.......its getting late pretty early as Yogi once said. Read this article about Gray> https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/yankees-cant-let-sonny-gray-wreck-their-division-title-hopes/ The Yankees own 29 losses for the season. Gray owns seven of them. That is as many losses as Luis Severino, CC Sabathia and Masahiro Tanaka have combined for all season thus far. Cashman is not going to telegraph what he really intends to do with Sheffield before the Trade Deadline. I do not like Mets fans or Red Sox Fans TROLLING on here disguised as Yankee fans in an effort to convince the Yankees not to promote Sheffield and continue to flounder with Sonny Gray. Over his last two outings Gray has surrendered 11 earned runs, 13 hits and 18 base runners in just 4 ¹/₃ innings of work. As a Yankee, Gray is 9-14. The worst part about Gray is the lack of innings that hurts the bull pen. Sheffield will be promoted and will be starting SOON after the all star break,and Gray will be relegated to a mob up role or included in a trade. Sheffield can be on a strict pitch count with the Yanks and still deliver more quality innings than Gray.