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How many Superbowls would the 80s Giants have won with Eli?

FStubbs : 7/7/2018 10:15 pm
It's that time of year, so it's time for these type of threads.

Bottom line: at the end of the 1983 season, Bill Parcells decides he doesn't like Brunner or Simms, so he causes a rift in space, time, and causality, and gets 2011 Eli Manning.

How many Superbowls do the Giants win?
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the other pick was safety Greg Lasker  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2018 1:49 pm : link
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You could make a long scroll of all the dumb things George Young  
arniefez : 7/10/2018 2:03 pm : link
did as GM of the Giants and I loved GY when he was the Giants GM for drafting Simms and LT among others. If he would have retired when Parcells left he probably would be in the NFL HOF. There's not enough time to describe how bad a job GY did from the day after Parcells left until he retired which is why he's not in the HOF.

But the top of the list was passing on Reggie White. That's not a second guess either. Every Giant fan who was paying attention knew it. It's almost as dumb as Bum Phillips passing on LT. Pretty close. Everyone knew Zimmerman was an excellent player and the Giants had much much more defense than offense in those days. Simms almost had his career ended behind the OL's the Giants had from 79-83. The Giants knew Zimmerman would never play for them when they picked him.

But GY was old school and hated players pushing back against the system and the NFLPA. See 1987 strike & 1993 plan B for more on that. There was some spite of not letting a player tell him where he would play in that pick. GY was going to force him to play in NY. It definitely cost the Giants a historic team.
The hindsight is easy but totally agree that not going Reggie White  
Jimmy Googs : 7/10/2018 10:01 pm : link
was the single biggest fatal flaw we ever had if he was truly a target of ours.

The scenarios of winning with that type of talent on defense are mind numbing.
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