NFT: Mets vs. Rays Game 3

breaks up perfect game with a single.

Matt Harvey was a me-first, diva-like uber douche. You don�t need the NYP to see that. Harvey accomplished that all on his own every time he opened his mouth.

The Mets handled this guy with kid gloves and gave him all the rope in the world. When it came time to do what�s right for him AND the team, he bailed.

I always figured Harvey would become serviceable. I guess it�s easier to finally focus on improving when you are humbled and sent to Siberia.

Funny thing...I don�t remember any of his teammates running to defend Harvey during his time with the Mets. I�m all for killing the Mets, but they didn�t screw this one up. Harvey did that all on his own.

Another Sandy special.

In comment 14008505 PhiPsi125 said:

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Matt Harvey was a me-first, diva-like uber douche. You don�t need the NYP to see that. Harvey accomplished that all on his own every time he opened his mouth. The Mets handled this guy with kid gloves and gave him all the rope in the world. When it came time to do what�s right for him AND the team, he bailed. I always figured Harvey would become serviceable. I guess it�s easier to finally focus on improving when you are humbled and sent to Siberia. Funny thing...I don�t remember any of his teammates running to defend Harvey during his time with the Mets. I�m all for killing the Mets, but they didn�t screw this one up. Harvey did that all on his own.

Couldn�t agree more with you on Harvey. Complete douche
Especially how much promise he had as an ace of this staff

but his time here had run its course and it was time to move on. No matter what he does or does not accomplish going forward I'm not going to get upset about it.

Here we come.


When will they change their hitting philosophy? Fire the hitting coach already!!

In comment 14008542 Rob in Rockaway said:

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but his time here had run its course and it was time to move on. No matter what he does or does not accomplish going forward I'm not going to get upset about it.

True...it�s time for everyone to let it go. Like, yesterday.

I�m not going to argue the fact that the Mets are dysfunctional. They clearly are. But Harvey was his own worst enemy. And he fought the club tooth and nail. It�s funny, I don�t see any NYP articles about any other Mets player like there were about Harvey (and on the regular). The Mets org didn�t need to leak anything. Reporters naturally follow divas and attention-whore celebs that do stupid things.

pitched for BKLN today, 5 IP, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K's.

71 pitches.

Must be a thrill for fans when players like Thor rehab in minor league cities.

I remember I saw Jon Lester pitch in Pawtucket for a rehab start as well Manny, Ellsbury and others with the Red Sox, always adds some energy to the park.

Is not that he was traded. That needed to happen.

Its that Mickey Callaway was brought here as a pitching guru and one of his prime tasks was getting Harvey to improve. That was a miserable failure where he wasnt even capable of starting a game for the Mets any longer.

To see it be Cindy that has made him better and serviceable and the salt in the wound will be when Cindy trades him for more then the Mets got. Probably to the Yanks too.

a while when he went to Cincy anyway. It was always going to take Harvey a while to get going, if at all. Mickey isn�t a miracle worker. He wasn�t going to improve Harvey overnight.

That, and Harvey really portrayed a big �I don�t give a shit� attitude here in NY while using every excuse in the book. I guess it�s easier to hide your shitty attitude while you are in a place where nobody gives a shit about you. Plus, the Mets were still trying not compete while Cincy had given up early. They were willing to let Harvey work it out in the majors because of that.

period. he refused a minor league assignment and the team had no choice. You could argue it's an indictment of Eiland/Callaway that he seems straightened out in Cinci, but seeing Wheeler and Matz pitch so well would indicate the performance was mostly on Harvey and his desire/attitude.

I was surprised they got Mesoraco for him and with some luck maybe they can flip Mesoraco for something at the deadline.

If that were the case, then Bruce, Reyes, Vargas and a host of the others needed to go before Matt. What teams always do is put a vet on the DL and then he gets some rehab games in the minors. That way, he gets to go to the minors and/or work on stuff without suffering the indignity of being sent down.

Trachsel once got sent down and it was a huge deal that he accepted it. Everyone was saying they expected him to refuse because you don't send longtime starters down. Then think about What Harvey did compare to Trachsel. as a player.

Sandy knew Harvey was not going to accept the minor league assignment. It was a PR move. I just can't believe that guys like the ones on this discussion thread, dont see it because most of you are pretty damn smart and cynical as fuck when it comes to the Mets. You are just letting your dislike of Matt's prima dona act get the better of your judgment. It's clear as day what the Mets did. They wanted to get rid of him, which is fine if you have a young a guy to put in his place. But when his replacements are Flexen, Conlon, and Vargas, it's going to cost you a bunch of wins.

And where does an organization owned by the scumbag Wilpons, who have been implicated in tons of shady financial deals, get off trying to occupy the moral high ground?

A good organization would have handled the situation. Just like the Giants handled LT and the Dodgers have handled Puig. But the Mets are a dysfunctional organization so they got into a war with Harvey rather than taking care of his problems internally. You don't have to be Sigmund Freud to figure out that Matt was acting out because of the frustration he was feeling about having lost his pitching dominance.

with the Mets. He was not 2013 or 2015 Matt Harvey.

He was a dick (according to reports) and a shell of a major leaguer.

You can absolutely send him down to the minors.

People inflate "What Matt Harvey did" in his career with the Mets because it was all extreme, bu he really did not have a great long track record of success making him untouchable.

His Mets career success was really 2013 and 2015 with TJS sandwiched in between. He made less than 60 "successful" starts with the Mets before the wheels fell off and "the Dark Knight" was gone for good.

He never even lasted one full season.
I have no issue with how the Mets handled Harvey and I'm as critical of the team as anyone.

In comment 14008701 pjcas18 said:

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with the Mets. He was not 2013 or 2015 Matt Harvey. He was a dick (according to reports) and a shell of a major leaguer. You can absolutely send him down to the minors. People inflate "What Matt Harvey did" in his career with the Mets because it was all extreme, bu he really did not have a great long track record of success making him untouchable. His Mets career success was really 2013 and 2015 with TJS sandwiched in between. He made less than 60 "successful" starts with the Mets before the wheels fell off and "the Dark Knight" was gone for good. He never even lasted one full season. I have no issue with how the Mets handled Harvey and I'm as critical of the team as anyone.

Not gonna argue any of that stuff, but it just further illustrates what an awful organization the Mets are. Now Harvey is actually worth something in a trade more than just an overpaid mediocre (at best) catcher. But it won't be the Mets pulling in some prospects it will be the Reds...pathetic!

in Queens. My poor friend had gotten a Saturday plan pre-season and has a hard time even giving the tickets away.

You have to tip the cap to TB. Better than the Mets this year, and have had a lot more winning seasons during the Alderson era than the Mets have had. If poaching front office talent from the Yankees isn't realistic, maybe the Mets should look to Tampa. These guys have had more success than Alderson working with a budget much smaller than even the Wilpons provide. Just an impressive job IMO.

they had the leading man on in 7 of the 9 innings and STILL managed to get shut out, that ain't easy!

going this week. If we're going to have any real optimism going forward, we need these two guys to emerge as real above average regulars. Rosario too, but I don't want to get greedy.

the hitting coach still have a job?

No call-up for McNeil. They really don't want to move Cabrera to 3B?

Why not bring him up and maybe give this team a pulse and show some mercy to the people who bought multigame ticket plans to see this mess?

says no McNeil because he's "only a 2B"

Maybe he sucks at 3B, but he's played almost as many minor league games at 3B as he has 2B.

Can't be worse than Flores, who I don't think is awful, but just not a 3B.

In comment 14009111 pjcas18 said:

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says no McNeil because he's "only a 2B" Maybe he sucks at 3B, but he's played almost as many minor league games at 3B as he has 2B. Can't be worse than Flores, who I don't think is awful, but just not a 3B.

Didn't realized he played that many games at 3B. Wow.

Can either play McNeil or Cabrera at 3B. Both have played plenty there. The extra ABs that McNeil can get to let us know whether he should get the job in 2019 are worth whatever minimal trade value the Mets think they'll lose by having Cabrera play a few games at 3B.

In comment 14009109 Metnut said:

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No call-up for McNeil. They really don't want to move Cabrera to 3B? Why not bring him up and maybe give this team a pulse and show some mercy to the people who bought multigame ticket plans to see this mess?

we got Guillorme.
Looks for a sweep tnight

not even PJ Conlon!

to get a start?

In comment 14009167 spike said:

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to get a start?

It is what it is at this point.

They'd rather start guys that can't hack it in AAA than give Lugo or Gsellmen a chance at the rotation. They've already tired both of their arms out to some extent via overusing them in the pen at this point, so who knows what we even have in either of them.

Good chance neither of them have the durability to make it as a full year starter either, but IMO, in a lost-season, we should be trying to develop more starters as they have much more value to a team than middle relievers.

just is in over his head. He's an amatuer.

LOL. You certainly don't send him to the mound every 5th day. guy had a freaking 7 ERA!

listen, he had a nice half a season in 2013 and didn't suck in 2015, but the guy acts like he was a freaking hall of famer. he hasn't earned shit. 34-37 as a Met. come on. he's a #3 or #4 starter tops if he gets his shit together.

In comment 14009255 Csonka said:

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LOL. You certainly don't send him to the mound every 5th day. guy had a freaking 7 ERA! listen, he had a nice half a season in 2013 and didn't suck in 2015, but the guy acts like he was a freaking hall of famer. he hasn't earned shit. 34-37 as a Met. come on. he's a #3 or #4 starter tops if he gets his shit together.

Didn't suck in 2015? 2.7 ERA and 190 innings? 4.4 WAR? Another 26 playoff innings at a 3.04 ERA?

He was dynamite in 2015, and pitcher beyond preseason innings limit to try and bring a world series to queens. He's gone, and was a flawed guy who brought a lot of this stuff on himself, but he was lights out for the Mets until he was hurt.

this kid is clutch. Send him to the Sox or Brewers

on this team. The Mets aren�t good enough to bench this kid.

let Oswalt work his way out. Only in the 50s in pitch count in the fifth.

We have freakin Gagnon ? pitching tomorrow. It will be a bullpen day.

signed back in June.

Why isn't he in Queens over Beck?

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this kid is clutch. Send him to the Sox or Brewers

Most walk off hits in club history, breaking tie with Wright.
Yet he is a bench player

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on this team. The Mets aren�t good enough to bench this kid.

Would rather see him play than the likes of Dom Smith, I have seen enough of him already send him back down. Let Flores try to win a full-time job (1B?) or just inflate his trade value.

a self scouting for years. Now they are going to play Reyes everyday instead of bring McNeil up? Do they think somehow Cabrera's trade value will go down if he plays 3B?

Playing guys like Reyes and Bruce over Flores doesn't really make sense to me. I've completely run out of patience with the Mets brain trust.

Have neither brains nor trusts.
Dumbest organization ever

but Reyes and Ty Kelly getting a start. Team is 16 games below .500. I understand that Smith looks like a bust, but why not give him as many MLB ABs as possible to see if something clicks?

but has any manager ever gotten less out of team with good pitching? I'm guessing a defense with Bruce, Reyes, Cabrera, etc hasn't helped matters either.

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Sports Info Solutions ‏@SportsInfo_SIS More Lowest Hard-Hit Rate (Pitching Staff) Astros 21% Phillies 21% Red Sox 22% Nationals 23% Dodgers 24% Yankees 24% Mets 24% (% of AB ending with a hard-hit ball) Each of these teams is .500 or better, except for the Mets

Why sit him when they are facing a righty? For Ty Kelly?

Mickey has completely lost me.

In comment 14010085 Metnut said:

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but Reyes and Ty Kelly getting a start. Team is 16 games below .500. I understand that Smith looks like a bust, but why not give him as many MLB ABs as possible to see if something clicks?

Who will pay money to watch these Mets?

He is awful. I don't care about how little talent is on the roster. He makes mistake after mistake. It feels like he picks relief pitchers out of a hat with no rhyme or reason and I have no idea why he won't play people like Rosario, Conforto or Smith everyday. The team is going to lose 100 games and this guy is going to throw Reyes and Kelly out there every week.