I know many here are not big fans of Colin Cowherd, but I really appreciate his thoughts and opinions. I like him because he has a very unique outlook. Unlike some other "shock jocks" his opinion is rooted in fact, and he doesn't say things just to gain viewership.
I linked a video below where he was very complimentary of the upgrades, and he said that the Giants have a talented roster
He claims that they have at least 7 elite players at their respective positions.
He called them a dark horse in the NFC.
He also said that the Browns and Colts will double their win totals. The Browns due to an upgrade in talent, the Colts due to the return of Andrew Luck.
I always get excited has a season inches closer, and I always try to temper that enthusiasm with realism. But the more I think about it, there is definitely some talent on this roster. With a little luck, they can win some games. Team success this season rests directly on Manning's shoulders. If he has a bit of a renaissance, this team can win some games and compete. If he continues to regress, it's going to be another lost season.
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There are a whole ton of question marks. New offense. New defense. New head coach. Contract situations. Volatile personalities. A team that completely quit last year.
I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. I think 7 or 8 wins would be at an accomplishment.
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This Giants team is far too thin, especially on defense, to realistically get to 10+ wins this year. They will have to essentially avoid injuries to starters, hope some of the younger guys step up and for Philly or Dallas to take major steps backward. 8-9 wins would be a strong effort.
More importantly, the schedule is brutal. They could be vastly improved and start 0-4. I understand you never know and guys could be hurt, etc....but that's a rough stretch to start.
We really have no idea whether or not our schedule is brutal, until thvariables kick in AT THE TIME we play them
I think the 2018 could be better than the 2016 team, and in 2016 the Giants won 11 games and made the playoffs.
The offense should be better, perhaps significantly. But that defense if Apple does not play well again could be really bad again. New scheme, new players, who is rushing the QB? My fear is the Giants offense will score points, but the defense is going to be unable to do their part. Instead of losing 10-24, the Giants will lose 21-24.
now after 3 - 13 fans expect something close to that.
I'm not predicting 10+ wins, just saying it wouldn't shock me if they won 10+.
In football system, health, luck, etc. matter a lot.
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when you think about it.
I think the 2018 could be better than the 2016 team, and in 2016 the Giants won 11 games and made the playoffs.
The offense should be better, perhaps significantly. But that defense if Apple does not play well again could be really bad again. New scheme, new players, who is rushing the QB? My fear is the Giants offense will score points, but the defense is going to be unable to do their part. Instead of losing 10-24, the Giants will lose 21-24.
Mike, the year Dallas started the season with Prescott and went 13-3, didn’t the Cowboys lose 3 of their starting Secondary BEFORE the season started, leading many to say Dallas’ D was toast? Marinelli did a great and unexpected job with that not so talented and thin D..Their ball control O made a huge difference as I believe ours will under Shurmur..
It’s all speculation for ALL teams right now save for the Patriots, imo..I’m just optimistic on paper. Beyond that it’s simply discussion at this point. We haven’t even put the full pads on yet
Best case scenario, let's say they sweep Washington.
Let's say they win at San Francisco, home against Tampa Bay, Home Again Chicago, home against Tennessee, and at Indianapolis.
That is 9 wins.
Losses against Jacksonville, at Houston, at Carolina, Atlanta, home against the Saints.
Even if you see potential wins in that list of losses, splitting against Philadelphia and Dallas, and sweeping Washington is going to be a difficult task.
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In comment 14008821 AnnapolisMike said:
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This Giants team is far too thin, especially on defense, to realistically get to 10+ wins this year. They will have to essentially avoid injuries to starters, hope some of the younger guys step up and for Philly or Dallas to take major steps backward. 8-9 wins would be a strong effort.
More importantly, the schedule is brutal. They could be vastly improved and start 0-4. I understand you never know and guys could be hurt, etc....but that's a rough stretch to start.
We really have no idea whether or not our schedule is brutal, until thvariables kick in AT THE TIME we play them
Totally agree....but that early in the season it's hard to see any of those games becoming easy barring injury. Essentially, a loss to the jaguars in week 1 and their seasons is on the line again at dallas week 2.
How many guys on this team would be saying "here we go again" after an 0-2 start?
Best case scenario, let's say they sweep Washington.
Let's say they win at San Francisco, home against Tampa Bay, Home Again Chicago, home against Tennessee, and at Indianapolis.
That is 9 wins.
Losses against Jacksonville, at Houston, at Carolina, Atlanta, home against the Saints.
Even if you see potential wins in that list of losses, splitting against Philadelphia and Dallas, and sweeping Washington is going to be a difficult task.
Right now, none of these games are losses.
The NFL is at a point IMO with very few exceptions any team can beat any team.
I see no reason the Giants should just not show up to any of those games.
Don't get me wrong, after those games we could be looking at lopsided losses, but on July 9 that scoreboard in our heads could just as easily be a lopsided win.
I really worry about another bad start. If this team is 0-2 things could spiral with their schedule as it is.
He said they're a darkhorse to win the super bowl. The doubling win total was just his guarantee.
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he might have thought we won 5 games pr more last year instead of 3. Otherwise, WHO would call anyone a darkhorse if the win total from last year was 3 and doubling it would be six? I have to believe he was thinking 5 wins last year, 10 this year..Just a possibility as I see it
He said they're a darkhorse to win the super bowl. The doubling win total was just his guarantee.
I hear you, but I’m still guessing he believed we won 5 or more games last year, so doubling that AND making or contending for a SB is what he meant. NO ONE makes the playoffs with 6
The 2011 Giants lost to a Redskins team that went 2-12 otherwise. The NFL is a weird place.
A "dark horse" that wins 6 games?
Becoming less interesting every day
Gotcha, thanks..So then 6 wins makes no sense if you’re playoff/SB bound
We won't know until the season unfolds and we watch the games. The comments in the thread are fair, but we tend to focus a lot on the Giants weaknesses.
There are a lot of teams that would take Barkley, Beckham, Engram, Solder, Shepard, and Manning as a core on offense with Jenkins, Collins, Harrison, Vernon, and Ogletree on defense.
Players like Hernandez, Apple, Tomlinson, Hill, Goodson, Carter, and even Flowers all have legitimate upside.
The coaching staff seems good.
Health, chemistry, and luck will also have a lot to do with the ultimate result.
The new scheme;
Eli regaining form, confidence in OL;
New players, and some old(EF), playing well;
Played top teams close,missing a play or player of 2 of winning;
or at least the first 2 ;indicate arrows up, and with a likely 12-18 draft spot and that level '19 schedule,plus FA and ++cap space in'19 , the turnaround can start.
to go from 3 wins to say, as some expecting, 10, 11, 12 win team that had many many changes is unrealistic. can it happen? has it ever hapoened a team went from 3 wins to 11 wins ie in one season that has had the amount of transition? hmmm
to go from 3 wins to say, as some expecting, 10, 11, 12 win team that had many many changes is unrealistic. can it happen? has it ever hapoened a team went from 3 wins to 11 wins ie in one season that has had the amount of transition? hmmm
to go from 3 wins to say, as some expecting, 10, 11, 12 win team that had many many changes is unrealistic. can it happen? has it ever hapoened a team went from 3 wins to 11 wins ie in one season that has had the amount of transition? hmmm
The Rams last year.
its happened 14 of the last 15 years across the league too that a team that finished dead last won the division the following year
its happened 14 of the last 15 years across the league too that a team that finished dead last won the division the following year
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in a transition/adapt season. It would mean on right track.
to go from 3 wins to say, as some expecting, 10, 11, 12 win team that had many many changes is unrealistic. can it happen? has it ever hapoened a team went from 3 wins to 11 wins ie in one season that has had the amount of transition? hmmm
The Rams last year.
I am of the understanding that the Giants believe with Eli they are a contender. How else does their quarterback decision make sense.
Now, I'm not saying I agree with that....but that would be the thought process.
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...that like stating that Fox news has more credibility than info wars?
I am of the understanding that the Giants believe with Eli they are a contender. How else does their quarterback decision make sense.
Joe, it makes sense if, forgetting Eli for the moment, they and the scouts they trust, believ Webb and Lauletta are as potentially good as any of the QBs taken high
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in a transition/adapt season. It would mean on right track.
to go from 3 wins to say, as some expecting, 10, 11, 12 win team that had many many changes is unrealistic. can it happen? has it ever hapoened a team went from 3 wins to 11 wins ie in one season that has had the amount of transition? hmmm
The Rams last year.
ok thanks..memory not good. they had staff changes too. how often though that happens ?
Jacksonville last year
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Think they are going to be, 5 to 7 wins, their decision to go with a 38 year old quarterback will have been a collosal mistake.
I am of the understanding that the Giants believe with Eli they are a contender. How else does their quarterback decision make sense.
Joe, it makes sense if, forgetting Eli for the moment, they and the scouts they trust, believ Webb and Lauletta are as potentially good as any of the QBs taken high
I'd be worried about trusting the scounts if that's their thought process. I would wager 31 other teams would disagree with that assessment.
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Think they are going to be, 5 to 7 wins, their decision to go with a 38 year old quarterback will have been a collosal mistake.
I am of the understanding that the Giants believe with Eli they are a contender. How else does their quarterback decision make sense.
Joe, it makes sense if, forgetting Eli for the moment, they and the scouts they trust, believ Webb and Lauletta are as potentially good as any of the QBs taken high
I'd be worried about trusting the scounts if that's their thought process. I would wager 31 other teams would disagree with that assessment.
Sure, wager all you want, but without definitive PROOF, you’d lose. Forget the scouts for argument’s sake. QB Guru Shurmur would be enought, imo
We don’t or won’t know that until the season’s roster is set to go
rooted in fact -- lol --- every truth has at least a kernel there -- Colin will say anything to get a rise out of folks
As I've said on other threads, I'd consider 8-8 to be very positive considering the strength of schedule.
If Manning plays well (needs the Oline to be much improved), Saquan is as advertised, and the injuries stay away -- 10-6 is do-able with the amount of weapons on offense we have.
They will need to score, I think our secondary is the weakest part of the team, particularly the CB's. Collins and Jenkins are solid. But, we're counting on Eli Apple to be a good starting corner. He certainly has the tools to do that, does he have his shit together though?
It will be an interesting year.
Looking forward to the season.