I know many here are not big fans of Colin Cowherd, but I really appreciate his thoughts and opinions. I like him because he has a very unique outlook. Unlike some other "shock jocks" his opinion is rooted in fact, and he doesn't say things just to gain viewership.
I linked a video below where he was very complimentary of the upgrades, and he said that the Giants have a talented roster
He claims that they have at least 7 elite players at their respective positions.
He called them a dark horse in the NFC.
He also said that the Browns and Colts will double their win totals. The Browns due to an upgrade in talent, the Colts due to the return of Andrew Luck.
I always get excited has a season inches closer, and I always try to temper that enthusiasm with realism. But the more I think about it, there is definitely some talent on this roster. With a little luck, they can win some games. Team success this season rests directly on Manning's shoulders. If he has a bit of a renaissance, this team can win some games and compete. If he continues to regress, it's going to be another lost season.
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Keep in mind, he's the same guy who said the Redskins and Raiders were teams to contend with last year.
Keep in mind, he's the same guy who said the Redskins and Raiders were teams to contend with last year.
As did a bunch here..😂
Based on where this team was last season, getting to 7 wins would be a huge accomplishment. Especially considering the difficulty of the schedule, the competitiveness of the NFC East and the competitiveness of the NFC as a whole.
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It's more impressive than the Browns doubling their win total!
Based on where this team was last season, getting to 7 wins would be a huge accomplishment. Especially considering the difficulty of the schedule, the competitiveness of the NFC East and the competitiveness of the NFC as a whole.
Disagree Vin. Parity league. On paper little reason NOT to expect double digit wins, imo, especially with Shurmur calling the plays and Bettcher as DC
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6 or fewer would be a disappointment
I'm just hoping for a season that isn't over by mid October.
I think if anyone goes into the season assuming 10 + wins, they are going to be disappointed. I just think it's a very unrealistic expectation given the state of affairs.
That's not a very high endorsement.
Sure you can argue that there may be worse but that hardly makes him good either.
Disagree. No thinner than most D’s around the league. Sure, if injuries rear it’s ugly head, it could be brutal, but that’s the same around the league. Who is going to stop our O? With Shurmur as PC, moving the chains, dominating TOP(hopefully), the D, benefits greatly..No Kool-aid here. I think, ON PAPER, we should compete with anyone
Not for nothing, but let's not act like Cowherd was the only guy with major question marks about Mayfield. Almost everybody has concerns about him as a player and as a person.
I like the kid a lot, but you can make some pretty foolish decisions in his college career.
More importantly, the schedule is brutal. They could be vastly improved and start 0-4. I understand you never know and guys could be hurt, etc....but that's a rough stretch to start.
I think the 2018 could be better than the 2016 team, and in 2016 the Giants won 11 games and made the playoffs.
Rebounding in football is easier than most of the other sports. Maybe b/c of non-guaranteed contracts, but whatever the reason, the Giants went from 11 - 5 to 3 - 13, going back to 11 - 5 wouldn't be the most outlandish thing ever.
But..I don't think that's what Cowherd, who I think is generally awful. He was saying "they're a darkhorse" and "will compete" and "will double their win total" basically saying they'd be 6 - 10.
There are a whole ton of question marks. New offense. New defense. New head coach. Contract situations. Volatile personalities. A team that completely quit last year.
I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. I think 7 or 8 wins would be at an accomplishment.
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This Giants team is far too thin, especially on defense, to realistically get to 10+ wins this year. They will have to essentially avoid injuries to starters, hope some of the younger guys step up and for Philly or Dallas to take major steps backward. 8-9 wins would be a strong effort.
More importantly, the schedule is brutal. They could be vastly improved and start 0-4. I understand you never know and guys could be hurt, etc....but that's a rough stretch to start.
We really have no idea whether or not our schedule is brutal, until thvariables kick in AT THE TIME we play them
I think the 2018 could be better than the 2016 team, and in 2016 the Giants won 11 games and made the playoffs.
The offense should be better, perhaps significantly. But that defense if Apple does not play well again could be really bad again. New scheme, new players, who is rushing the QB? My fear is the Giants offense will score points, but the defense is going to be unable to do their part. Instead of losing 10-24, the Giants will lose 21-24.
now after 3 - 13 fans expect something close to that.
I'm not predicting 10+ wins, just saying it wouldn't shock me if they won 10+.
In football system, health, luck, etc. matter a lot.
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when you think about it.
I think the 2018 could be better than the 2016 team, and in 2016 the Giants won 11 games and made the playoffs.
The offense should be better, perhaps significantly. But that defense if Apple does not play well again could be really bad again. New scheme, new players, who is rushing the QB? My fear is the Giants offense will score points, but the defense is going to be unable to do their part. Instead of losing 10-24, the Giants will lose 21-24.
Mike, the year Dallas started the season with Prescott and went 13-3, didn’t the Cowboys lose 3 of their starting Secondary BEFORE the season started, leading many to say Dallas’ D was toast? Marinelli did a great and unexpected job with that not so talented and thin D..Their ball control O made a huge difference as I believe ours will under Shurmur..
It’s all speculation for ALL teams right now save for the Patriots, imo..I’m just optimistic on paper. Beyond that it’s simply discussion at this point. We haven’t even put the full pads on yet
Best case scenario, let's say they sweep Washington.
Let's say they win at San Francisco, home against Tampa Bay, Home Again Chicago, home against Tennessee, and at Indianapolis.
That is 9 wins.
Losses against Jacksonville, at Houston, at Carolina, Atlanta, home against the Saints.
Even if you see potential wins in that list of losses, splitting against Philadelphia and Dallas, and sweeping Washington is going to be a difficult task.
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This Giants team is far too thin, especially on defense, to realistically get to 10+ wins this year. They will have to essentially avoid injuries to starters, hope some of the younger guys step up and for Philly or Dallas to take major steps backward. 8-9 wins would be a strong effort.
More importantly, the schedule is brutal. They could be vastly improved and start 0-4. I understand you never know and guys could be hurt, etc....but that's a rough stretch to start.
We really have no idea whether or not our schedule is brutal, until thvariables kick in AT THE TIME we play them
Totally agree....but that early in the season it's hard to see any of those games becoming easy barring injury. Essentially, a loss to the jaguars in week 1 and their seasons is on the line again at dallas week 2.
How many guys on this team would be saying "here we go again" after an 0-2 start?
Best case scenario, let's say they sweep Washington.
Let's say they win at San Francisco, home against Tampa Bay, Home Again Chicago, home against Tennessee, and at Indianapolis.
That is 9 wins.
Losses against Jacksonville, at Houston, at Carolina, Atlanta, home against the Saints.
Even if you see potential wins in that list of losses, splitting against Philadelphia and Dallas, and sweeping Washington is going to be a difficult task.
Right now, none of these games are losses.
The NFL is at a point IMO with very few exceptions any team can beat any team.
I see no reason the Giants should just not show up to any of those games.
Don't get me wrong, after those games we could be looking at lopsided losses, but on July 9 that scoreboard in our heads could just as easily be a lopsided win.
I really worry about another bad start. If this team is 0-2 things could spiral with their schedule as it is.
He said they're a darkhorse to win the super bowl. The doubling win total was just his guarantee.
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he might have thought we won 5 games pr more last year instead of 3. Otherwise, WHO would call anyone a darkhorse if the win total from last year was 3 and doubling it would be six? I have to believe he was thinking 5 wins last year, 10 this year..Just a possibility as I see it
He said they're a darkhorse to win the super bowl. The doubling win total was just his guarantee.
I hear you, but I’m still guessing he believed we won 5 or more games last year, so doubling that AND making or contending for a SB is what he meant. NO ONE makes the playoffs with 6
The 2011 Giants lost to a Redskins team that went 2-12 otherwise. The NFL is a weird place.
A "dark horse" that wins 6 games?
Becoming less interesting every day
Gotcha, thanks..So then 6 wins makes no sense if you’re playoff/SB bound