Turning into a nice little laugher here - won't have to use the big guns out of the pen now.
And once again, why you play them one game at a time. Sorry, I'm just still bummed over game one. I'm sure it'll pass by tomorrow but tonight not so much. Lol.
I hear ya - extra frustrating loss in the first one now - knowing how this went. But, I guess as John says, "that's baseball, Susan"
But like I said earlier, I can take getting outplayed and beat but when it feels more like we lost the game instead of being beat, it sticks in my craw a bit more.
Good to see the bats come alive in this one though so that's helped.
feel like the Yankees should make Andujar available in the right trade.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
feel like the Yankees should make Andujar available in the right trade.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
He can learn to be more patient and selective but you can't teach someone to hit as well as he does IMO. It's a god given talent.
I'd love MB, and would offer a real nice package for him but he'll only be under contract for this year and next unless they can resign him. I'd be more willing to offer up some top prospects than a guy from our Major League roster for him.
Andujar is 23, almost exactly three years younger than Aaron Judge. How was Judge's patience when he was one year older than Andjar is now? When he was Andujar's age, in the minors?
Hint: in the year that Judge was one year older: Judge's debut season, in which he batted .179 and struck out 42 times in 84 at-bats (95 plate appearances), ended prematurely when he was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a grade 2 right oblique strain on September 13, 2016
Why would anyone assume that a 23-year-old that is in the top 3 for AL rookie of the year won't become more patient as he reaches the age where most hitters are just entering the league on a full-time basis? Personally, I would also consider that Andujar was supposed to suck as a 3rd baseman, and he's kinda average--at 23. Perhaps this year he was more concerned about his fielding than his hitting patience?
feel like the Yankees should make Andujar available in the right trade.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
Yea I can go either way on Andujar. He seems to be striking out a lot more lately and he really is constantly swinging at pitches over his head. Hopefully its just a bad stretch, because before this he was getting a little more patient. I wouldn't be adverse to parting with him in the right deal though. The pitches he's been swinging at lately look like 2003 post season Alfonso Soriano and he did recover to have an excellent career after that...
but they've also been preaching conservative defensive play to him, because air-mailed and rushed throws had been his bugaboo at AAA. I'd expect that once his comfort level improves he will start making more of the extraordinary plays, and some of the defensive matrices should tick up.
The one part of Miggy's defense that has impressed me is his glove work. He picks the ball really well. His range isn't great and you'll see him sail a throw now and then, but he's pretty good at vacuuming up anything in his vicinity.
His UZR is -22, so he's obviously not good on defense.
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why don’t you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujar’s defense?
I’m very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that he’s “at least average” defensively. Most every metric I can find says he’s below average, some by a lot.
Doesn’t mean he can’t get better. Hell, doesn’t even mean that I’m not willing to live with what he’s doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and there’s plenty of runway for improvement.
Yea defensive metrics especially with 3B are far from definitive Â
I mean sometimes you can see things with your eye balls. Anyone would clearly evaluate that he has played adequate D at third. Nobody is fitting him for a gold glove yet.
but part of the poor range numbers have to do with him being very deliberate in his transfers, in setting his feet to throw, etc etc. And that is by design. The Yankees have been trying to slow him down defensively since ST. He is never going to be Machado going to his right at 3B, but as he gets more comfortable and as the actions start getting smoother and faster some of what is captured by those metrics is going to improve.
Andujar isn't a good third baseman....at the moment Â
He does, however, seem to have the tools to be solid. He's a decent enough athlete and has a gun of an arm. He needs to improve his footwork more than anything.
A few people have mentioned Eovaldi as a good trade target, while many of us (including me) have said no thanks, remembering him as being rather mediocre. Fangraphs suggests, however, that he's a much better pitcher now than before he got hurt and might be the best available starter. Link - ( New Window )
His UZR is -22, so he's obviously not good on defense.
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why don’t you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujar’s defense?
I’m very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that he’s “at least average” defensively. Most every metric I can find says he’s below average, some by a lot.
Doesn’t mean he can’t get better. Hell, doesn’t even mean that I’m not willing to live with what he’s doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and there’s plenty of runway for improvement.
First off, is there anything less important than range for a 3rd baseman? The dude has great hands and a cannon for an arm. His range is good enough as I've seen him get to a few balls to his left. Secondly, just looking at UZR and suggesting that he's not good on defense is just silly. You can watch him and see that he's been pretty good on defense.
9 in 48.1 innings is not great, and when he pitched against the Houston lineup in a hitter's park he surrendered 4. He's a solid pitcher, but we play in a bandbox and the HRs may take a toll.
Here and fight that a guy with -15 UZR is a better defensive player than a guy with -20. But if a guy has -22 (along with almost equally unflattering DRS and FRAA), I feel reasonably confident saying that he isn’t quite average defensively.
Eye test isn’t meaningless, but it’s susceptible to people seeing what they want to see and forgetting the rest. For instance, the double play ball that Miggy backed up on last night to get a chest high hop rather than charging, which cost them the DP. His footwork is inefficient, and he’s often a bit slow to get the ball out of the glove. Up to this point, a lot of these things have been masked by the fact that he has a plus arm.
I’d hate to see them actually give up assets for him, but I think the rumors may be a clever angle that the yanks are playing a) standard price enforcement and b) a “legal tampering” of sorts to send the message loud and clear to Machado that they want him in the offseason and not to sign an extension anywhere in advance of that.
Theoretically, it could be part of a balls-out “go for it now” strategy where they send Andujar out for pitching and fill 3B with Machado, but that seems like a really drastic and expensive path (in terms of assets) for the deadline, and also comes with Machado’s “I’m a SS” insistence to deal with...feels
unlikely.
I just don't see them paying a fortune to rent Machado Â
Could be. And signaling is a past Yankee practice.
So is bidding up the price for other teams, even if they have no interest themselves
However, I expect that before the month is over we are linked to Kershaw, Bumgartner, DeGrom, Harvey, Hand, Harper, Realmuto, Archer, Fullmer, Thor, Trout and the return of Barry Bonds. We may even buy the Braves, strip their assets and leave an empty stadium before buying Cleveland just to appoint Francona as a bench coach for Boone.
We may trade players we don't have, prospects we are dreaming about and Aaron Judge. All for someone no one heard of...but who has Scott Boras for an agent.
Its a weird time of year for any baseball fan under any circumstances but this years Yankees being close makes the nuttiness spray even faster.
It will be an interesting few weeks...followed by a month of analysis/over-analysis/rumors and spin from every angle
Yep, sounds right. That means he's "decent" defensively, and he clearly has upside. Given what a revelation he has been as a 23 year old hitter, we get a total package that could well win ROY with Gleyber missing time. That's a pretty exciting outcome,given that his fielding will get better, his patience will get better, and some of those scorching doubles will turn into homers as he matures physically.
He has the fourth highest OPS of AL third basemen, and the three above him are stars.(link) Not shabby at an ae where nearly everyone else is in the minors. The 2 3B above him who are under 25 are essentially superstars--Ramirez at 25 and Bregman at 24. Link - ( New Window )
RE: I just don't see them paying a fortune to rent Machado Â
I wonder whether this is another "kill all the birds with one stone" type of trade like last year. Remember the trade that netted them DRobertson, Kahnle and Frazier for Clippard and some prospects?
There are reports that the Yanks interest in Machado is more of a package thing- with the Yanks looking at Britton and controllable SP. If that is the case, it might be that the Yanks are looking to improve their pitching, while also boosting the offense.
On MLB Trade Rumors, the names thrown around were Brach, Britton and Gausman.
However, if these are the players involved, this would probably have to be one of those deals where the O's take back some money. Keep in mind that the Yanks are somewhere around $15-16M under the luxury tax line.
IF the Yanks were to take on Machado ($16M), Britton ($12M) and Gausman ($5.6M), given that half the season has passed, we would cut the above salaries in half- but that still adds up to about $18M in salary being assumed by the Yanks, which would bump them over the tax line.
If the Yanks took Brach instead of Britton, Brach is only making $5.165M, which would probably allow the Yanks to stay just below the tax line.
I think the Yanks would likely insist that Baltimore take back Gray or Walker to give the Yanks more room under the luxury tax line.
Obviously, it would depend on the prospects going to the O's and Machado is clearly an offensive upgrade- but the bigger question is whether the Yanks are getting enough of a pitching upgrade to make the trade?
none of Gausman, Brach, or Britton are particularly appealing Â
How often is a Yankees deal one that had been loudly rumored to be happening? Not very often, I don't think. Cashman usually operates very quietly. For rumors to start popping up suggests to me that the Yankees are trying to drive the price up.
have more to do with Didi than they do Andujar. I love Didi and he seems like a great clubhouse guy who's beloved by his teammates but next year is his last year of arb eligibility before becoming a FA. On offense Machado is a big upgrade and would really fortify their lineup going forward. Right now they dont have a single starter hitting over .300 and only Judge has an OBP in Machado's range.
It's a foregone conclusion that the Yankees will spend this offseason once the tax resets and there really aren't any better options to give one of those mega deals to when you consider his age and consistency (vs someone like Harper). You can argue that they shouldn't give out any big contracts but if what we've seen in the past is any indication, when there's excess money to be spent the Yankees typically do spend it. I'd rather they give it to someone like Machado than anyone else out there on the market and the alternative is the owners just pocket more money.
They could also then try and trade Didi for a SP maybe in the offseason or if it's 3B they view Machado at, then do the same with Andujar either now or at the deadline. They have an amazing young core but years of contention is never a given in sports and they desperately need to add another SP or two to that core. That isn't likely to come through FA without getting lucky and hitting on a younger guy who turns things around drastically.
I should note that I don't know whether or not Machado is a big downgrade to Didi in the field at SS. The stats say that it's pretty close but that's not a very well informed viewpoint.
How much of one is probably open to debate, but Machado has been a below-average shortstop to date. He's still publicly insisting that he won't play anywhere else, though.
I would love to have Machado, don't get me wrong - but if we're going to move assets, it should really be for a SP.
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
I would love to have Machado, don't get me wrong - but if we're going to move assets, it should really be for a SP.
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
If they're not scared off by his insistence on playing 3B maybe Cashman is readying to use Andujar in a deal for a top SP? I would imagine even for teams that don't have their guys on the block he'd be the type of chip that could change one's mind.
is not worth what the likely ask would be. Yes he's an improvement, but the Yankees are 3rd in MLB in runs (would probably be 2nd if they played the same number of games as the Stros) and far and away 1st in HRs, 20 ahead of the next closest team. The improvement for a team like the Dodgers would be much greater. Long term sure, but not for three months.
Stabilizing the starting rotation is much more important. Either get a guy who will give you consistent innings, like Happ or Hamels, or overpay for a guy with a chance to be a playoff 2 (Snell, maybe).
I understand you never know when you'll have a chance again and when you do it makes sense to go for it. But not with the is team where they are today. The future is too bright to mortgage it. Their best players position players still have several years of team control in front of them. They need pitching especially starting pitching but all pitching going forward. If they want Manny break the budget after the season and sign him as a FA. But only for 3B. He's a bad SS. If they're going to trade some of their chips this year it has to be for pitchers. Having said that it's very smart business to let everyone know including Manny they want him pretty badly even if they don't.
How often is a Yankees deal one that had been loudly rumored to be happening? Not very often, I don't think. Cashman usually operates very quietly. For rumors to start popping up suggests to me that the Yankees are trying to drive the price up.
Yea this is usually true though last year there was quite of bit of talk about the Sonny Gray trade before it finally happened. I agree though that I just can't see giving up assets for Machado in a trade when you can have him simply for money in the off season once the luxury tax re-sets. Also the whole SS-3B thing can be handled much more smoothly in the off season than on the fly in July.
Nice timely objective article about Andujar on RAB Â
I pretty much agree with every word of it. But I'll be happy if he goes in the right trade. I think he is at the absolute peak of his value right this minute and that as time goes on he's going to be even more Castro than he is now. Three reasons Yankees should make Miguel Andujar available at the trade deadline - ( New Window )
One thing I can say, I live here in the NY metro area so I watch the games on YES but when I'm working on the computer downstairs and I want to keep track by streaming the games I usually go on Reddit and get the other team's feed just for a change of pace. I can say that he other team's announcers are often raving about Andujar when he comes up. So while thats not scientific, I can say he's is thought of pretty well around the league.
IF he can be included in a trade for an elite pitcher, it opens up opportunities for Drury. I believe in Drury, and the Yankee doctors have apparently figure out how to control the migraines and blurred vision--an irritated tendon in his neck was causing it.
But a trade including Andujar has to bring back real quality pitching. It's not clear that it will.
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Turning into a nice little laugher here - won't have to use the big guns out of the pen now.
And once again, why you play them one game at a time. Sorry, I'm just still bummed over game one. I'm sure it'll pass by tomorrow but tonight not so much. Lol.
I hear ya - extra frustrating loss in the first one now - knowing how this went. But, I guess as John says, "that's baseball, Susan"
Andujar is a fucking double machine
Good to see the bats come alive in this one though so that's helped.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
He can learn to be more patient and selective but you can't teach someone to hit as well as he does IMO. It's a god given talent.
I'd love MB, and would offer a real nice package for him but he'll only be under contract for this year and next unless they can resign him. I'd be more willing to offer up some top prospects than a guy from our Major League roster for him.
Hint: in the year that Judge was one year older: Judge's debut season, in which he batted .179 and struck out 42 times in 84 at-bats (95 plate appearances), ended prematurely when he was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a grade 2 right oblique strain on September 13, 2016
Why would anyone assume that a 23-year-old that is in the top 3 for AL rookie of the year won't become more patient as he reaches the age where most hitters are just entering the league on a full-time basis? Personally, I would also consider that Andujar was supposed to suck as a 3rd baseman, and he's kinda average--at 23. Perhaps this year he was more concerned about his fielding than his hitting patience?
How about not.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
Yea I can go either way on Andujar. He seems to be striking out a lot more lately and he really is constantly swinging at pitches over his head. Hopefully its just a bad stretch, because before this he was getting a little more patient. I wouldn't be adverse to parting with him in the right deal though. The pitches he's been swinging at lately look like 2003 post season Alfonso Soriano and he did recover to have an excellent career after that...
...Red Sawx something like 9-1.
The curse of Buck Showalter.
As in starting pitching?
He hasn’t made a lot of errors, which is nice. But he’s not a good defensive player.
What a joke.
LOL, yeah - funny how neither one had anything to say during the Game 2 ass kicking.
Surprised they didn't throw a fit over Gallegos allowing 2 runs. The bullpen sucks! Team is no good!
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why don’t you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujar’s defense?
I’m very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that he’s “at least average” defensively. Most every metric I can find says he’s below average, some by a lot.
Doesn’t mean he can’t get better. Hell, doesn’t even mean that I’m not willing to live with what he’s doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and there’s plenty of runway for improvement.
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His UZR is -22, so he's obviously not good on defense.
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why don’t you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujar’s defense?
I’m very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that he’s “at least average” defensively. Most every metric I can find says he’s below average, some by a lot.
Doesn’t mean he can’t get better. Hell, doesn’t even mean that I’m not willing to live with what he’s doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and there’s plenty of runway for improvement.
First off, is there anything less important than range for a 3rd baseman? The dude has great hands and a cannon for an arm. His range is good enough as I've seen him get to a few balls to his left. Secondly, just looking at UZR and suggesting that he's not good on defense is just silly. You can watch him and see that he's been pretty good on defense.
Eye test isn’t meaningless, but it’s susceptible to people seeing what they want to see and forgetting the rest. For instance, the double play ball that Miggy backed up on last night to get a chest high hop rather than charging, which cost them the DP. His footwork is inefficient, and he’s often a bit slow to get the ball out of the glove. Up to this point, a lot of these things have been masked by the fact that he has a plus arm.
Theoretically, it could be part of a balls-out “go for it now” strategy where they send Andujar out for pitching and fill 3B with Machado, but that seems like a really drastic and expensive path (in terms of assets) for the deadline, and also comes with Machado’s “I’m a SS” insistence to deal with...feels
unlikely.
So is bidding up the price for other teams, even if they have no interest themselves
However, I expect that before the month is over we are linked to Kershaw, Bumgartner, DeGrom, Harvey, Hand, Harper, Realmuto, Archer, Fullmer, Thor, Trout and the return of Barry Bonds. We may even buy the Braves, strip their assets and leave an empty stadium before buying Cleveland just to appoint Francona as a bench coach for Boone.
We may trade players we don't have, prospects we are dreaming about and Aaron Judge. All for someone no one heard of...but who has Scott Boras for an agent.
Its a weird time of year for any baseball fan under any circumstances but this years Yankees being close makes the nuttiness spray even faster.
It will be an interesting few weeks...followed by a month of analysis/over-analysis/rumors and spin from every angle
He has the fourth highest OPS of AL third basemen, and the three above him are stars.(link) Not shabby at an ae where nearly everyone else is in the minors. The 2 3B above him who are under 25 are essentially superstars--Ramirez at 25 and Bregman at 24.
Link - ( New Window )
I wonder whether this is another "kill all the birds with one stone" type of trade like last year. Remember the trade that netted them DRobertson, Kahnle and Frazier for Clippard and some prospects?
There are reports that the Yanks interest in Machado is more of a package thing- with the Yanks looking at Britton and controllable SP. If that is the case, it might be that the Yanks are looking to improve their pitching, while also boosting the offense.
On MLB Trade Rumors, the names thrown around were Brach, Britton and Gausman.
However, if these are the players involved, this would probably have to be one of those deals where the O's take back some money. Keep in mind that the Yanks are somewhere around $15-16M under the luxury tax line.
IF the Yanks were to take on Machado ($16M), Britton ($12M) and Gausman ($5.6M), given that half the season has passed, we would cut the above salaries in half- but that still adds up to about $18M in salary being assumed by the Yanks, which would bump them over the tax line.
If the Yanks took Brach instead of Britton, Brach is only making $5.165M, which would probably allow the Yanks to stay just below the tax line.
I think the Yanks would likely insist that Baltimore take back Gray or Walker to give the Yanks more room under the luxury tax line.
Obviously, it would depend on the prospects going to the O's and Machado is clearly an offensive upgrade- but the bigger question is whether the Yanks are getting enough of a pitching upgrade to make the trade?
It's a foregone conclusion that the Yankees will spend this offseason once the tax resets and there really aren't any better options to give one of those mega deals to when you consider his age and consistency (vs someone like Harper). You can argue that they shouldn't give out any big contracts but if what we've seen in the past is any indication, when there's excess money to be spent the Yankees typically do spend it. I'd rather they give it to someone like Machado than anyone else out there on the market and the alternative is the owners just pocket more money.
They could also then try and trade Didi for a SP maybe in the offseason or if it's 3B they view Machado at, then do the same with Andujar either now or at the deadline. They have an amazing young core but years of contention is never a given in sports and they desperately need to add another SP or two to that core. That isn't likely to come through FA without getting lucky and hitting on a younger guy who turns things around drastically.
I should note that I don't know whether or not Machado is a big downgrade to Didi in the field at SS. The stats say that it's pretty close but that's not a very well informed viewpoint.
SSS warning, but one thing that would be cool about adding Machado is that he hammers several current Boston pitchers. Career numbers vs
Price: .293/.341/.683, 5 homers
Porcello: .342/.381/.526, 2 homers
Sale: .316/.409/.579, 1 homer
Joe Kelly: .375/.389/.500
Eduardo Rodriguez has had his number though, .182/.270/.242
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
If they're not scared off by his insistence on playing 3B maybe Cashman is readying to use Andujar in a deal for a top SP? I would imagine even for teams that don't have their guys on the block he'd be the type of chip that could change one's mind.
Stabilizing the starting rotation is much more important. Either get a guy who will give you consistent innings, like Happ or Hamels, or overpay for a guy with a chance to be a playoff 2 (Snell, maybe).
Yea this is usually true though last year there was quite of bit of talk about the Sonny Gray trade before it finally happened. I agree though that I just can't see giving up assets for Machado in a trade when you can have him simply for money in the off season once the luxury tax re-sets. Also the whole SS-3B thing can be handled much more smoothly in the off season than on the fly in July.
Three reasons Yankees should make Miguel Andujar available at the trade deadline - ( New Window )
One thing I can say, I live here in the NY metro area so I watch the games on YES but when I'm working on the computer downstairs and I want to keep track by streaming the games I usually go on Reddit and get the other team's feed just for a change of pace. I can say that he other team's announcers are often raving about Andujar when he comes up. So while thats not scientific, I can say he's is thought of pretty well around the league.
Even if one disagrees, it was an interesting article
But a trade including Andujar has to bring back real quality pitching. It's not clear that it will.