and not Cessa, who is starting game 2. Surprising. That means they are going to wait until after game 1 to demote someone for Cessa. Who is that going to be? I guess Red Thunder? They aren't going to DFA Cole or even crap Shreve just to get Gallegos up for a DH. They can't be without Wade for 10 days, as the only back-up SS. So it looks like game 1 is Red Thunder's last game for a while again?
Odd, I would have thought Cessa would be 26th man, to start 2nd game. But I guess they really wanted another arm in bullpen.
and not Cessa, who is starting game 2. Surprising. That means they are going to wait until after game 1 to demote someone for Cessa. Who is that going to be? I guess Red Thunder? They aren't going to DFA Cole or even crap Shreve just to get Gallegos up for a DH. They can't be without Wade for 10 days, as the only back-up SS. So it looks like game 1 is Red Thunder's last game for a while again?
Odd, I would have thought Cessa would be 26th man, to start 2nd game. But I guess they really wanted another arm in bullpen.
Wasn't Cessa already brought up and the #25 man with Gallegos being #26 for the DH? I thought Cessa's move tied in with Hale being DFA'd.
It looks like that's not the case. I read something that said Frazier is likely switched for Cessa after game 1 and Tanaka is switched for Cessa after game 2.
It looks like that's not the case. I read something that said Frazier is likely switched for Cessa after game 1 and Tanaka is switched for Cessa after game 2.
Ahh ok. I thought between the Hale and Loasiaga moves Cessa took one of those spots on the 25. Thought it was for Hale but wasn't sure.
Still - no reason not to crush Jimmy fucking YACABONIS and his 8.31 ERA.
Agreed but a lead off hitter seeing more than two pitches would help make that a bit easier. It's one thing if it was a pitch that should've been crushed but just missed. Another thing altogether when it's a shitty pitch you really couldn't do much with. Just take that even if it puts you down 0-2.
with a nice seven-game homestand against the shitty Rangers and Blue Jays, while we're playing four game sets on the road against Baltimore and Cleveland. Hope we have enough gas in the tank to finish strong here.
Still - no reason not to crush Jimmy fucking YACABONIS and his 8.31 ERA.
Agreed but a lead off hitter seeing more than two pitches would help make that a bit easier. It's one thing if it was a pitch that should've been crushed but just missed. Another thing altogether when it's a shitty pitch you really couldn't do much with. Just take that even if it puts you down 0-2.
Yeah, not a good approach there. Need to make this guy throw some pitches. No need to give away quick outs.
Still - no reason not to crush Jimmy fucking YACABONIS and his 8.31 ERA.
Agreed but a lead off hitter seeing more than two pitches would help make that a bit easier. It's one thing if it was a pitch that should've been crushed but just missed. Another thing altogether when it's a shitty pitch you really couldn't do much with. Just take that even if it puts you down 0-2.
Yeah, not a good approach there. Need to make this guy throw some pitches. No need to give away quick outs.
Yup. Make him throw a lot, get into the pen and do even more damage. Plus it benefits us in the 2nd game if we get into their pen early.
I don't have a problem with them swinging early in the count if they get a great pitch to hit, just don't swing at pitcher's pitches early in this 1st game.
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.@CC_Sabathia's fourth-inning strikeout of Joey Rickard marked his 1,528th strikeout as a Yankee, surpassing Red Ruffing (1,527) for fourth place on the Yankees all-time strikeout list.
of course Jimmy fucking Yacobonis gets the called strike 3
I think I've seen more non-strikes be called strikes against Judge this year alone than any other player over the course of an entire season that I can recall.
I've never seen a huge star like Judge get calls like this over and over again. Never. I mean, Shrek used to lose his mind any time any call went against him - if he'd gotten calls like Judge, he would have snapped and beaten an ump with a bat.
I've been quietly optimistic that Cole could prove to be a legit revelation. He WAS a highly-rated prospect only a few years ago. Maybe they figured something out with him.
Cole actually has a sub 1 ERA for the Yanks this year
I've been quietly optimistic that Cole could prove to be a legit revelation. He WAS a highly-rated prospect only a few years ago. Maybe they figured something out with him.
He could be the next Chad Green. Failed starter -> put him in the BP
The only reason Danny Valencia is in the Majors is because he can/always could hit left-handed pitching. If he was going to use Holder anyway, might as well put him in the game with the damn lead. Letting CC stay in the game made no sense.
This team is not very good right, and unfortunately Sox will probably win the division again. Aside of Severino, they just don't have enough consistent pitchers.
Boone was overthinking it because he wanted to have as much BP ammo as possible for game 2 with Cessa pitching. Should have gone to Holder, no doubt. Got greedy and thought he could get away with it and it bit him in the ass.
At least theres another game coming right up to hopefully wipe the bad taste out from this one. Have to win.
Like CC was out of gas in the 6th, and Boone should've pulled him after the lead off guy reaches. I think he was hoping to get one more inning from CC while looking towards the 2nd game.
Problem is you have a shot to win this game you go for it IMO. I'll worry about game two when I have to.
This game had a bit of a Philly game three feel to it for me when I saw the lineup. Trying to steal one while looking ahead. I don't like that approach and prefer to go for the win that's right in front of me now. You get the first game and keep them down making getting the second a bit easier,IMO.
postgame is even more puzzling than what he did during the game.
Said Valencia was going to be CC's last batter no matter what. Had Holder up the second a guy got on in the 6th. The doubleheader didn't change anything.
He never should have faced Valencia. Defending it is only going to make the media go after him more. Just admit you fucked up and move on.
Drury sent down for Cessa. So glad that Walker is staying. What does Walker have to do to get sent packing?
2 of the 3 stooges have arrived. Just need the last one!
Arent you a met fan??? Fraud
Who is the real fraud? Me, for coming here to actually talk objectively about baseball and ultimately want the team to win, or you, who only shows up to whine more than a teenage girl on the rag when things go wrong but is nowhere to be seen when the team wins?
postgame is even more puzzling than what he did during the game.
Said Valencia was going to be CC's last batter no matter what. Had Holder up the second a guy got on in the 6th. The doubleheader didn't change anything.
He never should have faced Valencia. Defending it is only going to make the media go after him more. Just admit you fucked up and move on.
Drury sent down for Cessa. So glad that Walker is staying. What does Walker have to do to get sent packing?
Wow. Surprised it was Drury.
RE: I definitely think Boone manages this one differently
And that's a problem for me. I get not wanting to blow the pen up but no reason Holder couldn't have started the 6th or bring him in when the lead off guy gets on. He's not going to be available tonight anyway now and still ended up having to get three outs in the 6th. Doesn't make any sense to me why he wasn't in earlier.
The game was there to be won, and Boone has got to make sure they get it. That was the pivotal point of the game and it was clear at least to me, CC was gassed, and should've been pulled at worst after the lead off guy in the 6th.
Andujar has officially made Drury completely expendable
I still think Drury should be up over Walker - Walker's leash is baffling. Drury is really a 2B more than anything else, so it's not like that's whats keeping Walker up instead.
Definitely thought he would but I'm glad to see he did. If he could only get some more hits, I think he's got a good shot at sticking and making the post season roster too.
I love speedy guys. Not to mention he has a great glove.
Exactly my thinking too. He just needs to not be an automatic out. If he can hit .250 I think he sticks. I'd definitely like better than that but he just can't be putting up week long 0-fers.
Everything else he does is A+ so here's hoping this time around he's more comfortable and productive at the plate.
RE: And Frazier is earning a bus ticket to Scranton
He needs to relax. I think he's definitely thinking too much about that bus ticket. Seems like as long as Hicks' legs might be barking Frazier is needed and safe.
A couple of hits tonight would go a long way to him just relaxing and playing like he's capable of.
Romine is hitting a robust .158/.195/.211. Regression to the mean is a bitch. Oh, and not a single attempted base stealer thrown out since Sanchez went on the DL.
Now can people who were calling for Sanchez, even a massively slumping Sanchez, to be benched for Romine see how silly that would have been?
Romine is hitting a robust .158/.195/.211. Regression to the mean is a bitch. Oh, and not a single attempted base stealer thrown out since Sanchez went on the DL.
Now can people who were calling for Sanchez, even a massively slumping Sanchez, to be benched for Romine see how silly that would have been?
Remember that guy who called for SAnchez to be traded and Romine to be slotted in as the starter? Oi vey
is going to make sure that the word gets out that the Yankees are interested and pursuing his guy
before the deadline so they are "in the mix" in the offseason market for his guy
So true and I'm sure every top agent has his go to media guy they use to get the word out.
I did read something earlier from the SF Giants news and sounds like they might be sellers. Seems like everyone but Posey could be available but I still have a hard time believing Bumgarner goes anywhere.
If they are even tempted to move him, that has to be Cash's first phone call and really give them something to think about. Tempt the hell out of them!
agree. If Bumgarner is remotely available, that's the one to go all out for. Young playoff seasoned and very good. That move makes us tough to compete against for years
Thing is he didn't really conserve the pen all that much. More like he brought Holder in at the wrong time. If he starts the 6th with him or when the lead off guy got on, nothing changes in what he gets out of Holder. Still ended up getting three outs in the 6th from him, just a bit too late.
Definitely makes it more annoying for me too but gotta let it go, and hopefully Boone learns from it. Go for the win when it's there.
Fantastic outing for Cessa. Sort of makes the first game so much more frustrating, but we need this game and that's all that matters now. The pen should be good to hold serve for 9 outs here with the 4 run lead.
Fantastic outing for Cessa. Sort of makes the first game so much more frustrating, but we need this game and that's all that matters now. The pen should be good to hold serve for 9 outs here with the 4 run lead.
I'm hoping for a few more tack on runs and let Gallegos finish it up. Love to get Chapman another day to let the knee rest.
Fantastic outing for Cessa. Sort of makes the first game so much more frustrating, but we need this game and that's all that matters now. The pen should be good to hold serve for 9 outs here with the 4 run lead.
I'm hoping for a few more tack on runs and let Gallegos finish it up. Love to get Chapman another day to let the knee rest.
Fantastic outing for Cessa. Sort of makes the first game so much more frustrating, but we need this game and that's all that matters now. The pen should be good to hold serve for 9 outs here with the 4 run lead.
I'm hoping for a few more tack on runs and let Gallegos finish it up. Love to get Chapman another day to let the knee rest.
Got you those runs. :)
Gotta luv it.
Singleton on with the great foreshadowing call once again. How cool was that?
Turning into a nice little laugher here - won't have to use the big guns out of the pen now.
And once again, why you play them one game at a time. Sorry, I'm just still bummed over game one. I'm sure it'll pass by tomorrow but tonight not so much. Lol.
I've been a Cessa critic but an happy to see him do well tonight.
Turning into a nice little laugher here - won't have to use the big guns out of the pen now.
And once again, why you play them one game at a time. Sorry, I'm just still bummed over game one. I'm sure it'll pass by tomorrow but tonight not so much. Lol.
I hear ya - extra frustrating loss in the first one now - knowing how this went. But, I guess as John says, "that's baseball, Susan"
But like I said earlier, I can take getting outplayed and beat but when it feels more like we lost the game instead of being beat, it sticks in my craw a bit more.
Good to see the bats come alive in this one though so that's helped.
feel like the Yankees should make Andujar available in the right trade.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
feel like the Yankees should make Andujar available in the right trade.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
He can learn to be more patient and selective but you can't teach someone to hit as well as he does IMO. It's a god given talent.
I'd love MB, and would offer a real nice package for him but he'll only be under contract for this year and next unless they can resign him. I'd be more willing to offer up some top prospects than a guy from our Major League roster for him.
Andujar is 23, almost exactly three years younger than Aaron Judge. How was Judge's patience when he was one year older than Andjar is now? When he was Andujar's age, in the minors?
Hint: in the year that Judge was one year older: Judge's debut season, in which he batted .179 and struck out 42 times in 84 at-bats (95 plate appearances), ended prematurely when he was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a grade 2 right oblique strain on September 13, 2016
Why would anyone assume that a 23-year-old that is in the top 3 for AL rookie of the year won't become more patient as he reaches the age where most hitters are just entering the league on a full-time basis? Personally, I would also consider that Andujar was supposed to suck as a 3rd baseman, and he's kinda average--at 23. Perhaps this year he was more concerned about his fielding than his hitting patience?
feel like the Yankees should make Andujar available in the right trade.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
Yea I can go either way on Andujar. He seems to be striking out a lot more lately and he really is constantly swinging at pitches over his head. Hopefully its just a bad stretch, because before this he was getting a little more patient. I wouldn't be adverse to parting with him in the right deal though. The pitches he's been swinging at lately look like 2003 post season Alfonso Soriano and he did recover to have an excellent career after that...
but they've also been preaching conservative defensive play to him, because air-mailed and rushed throws had been his bugaboo at AAA. I'd expect that once his comfort level improves he will start making more of the extraordinary plays, and some of the defensive matrices should tick up.
The one part of Miggy's defense that has impressed me is his glove work. He picks the ball really well. His range isn't great and you'll see him sail a throw now and then, but he's pretty good at vacuuming up anything in his vicinity.
His UZR is -22, so he's obviously not good on defense.
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why dont you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujars defense?
Im very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that hes at least average defensively. Most every metric I can find says hes below average, some by a lot.
Doesnt mean he cant get better. Hell, doesnt even mean that Im not willing to live with what hes doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and theres plenty of runway for improvement.
Yea defensive metrics especially with 3B are far from definitive
I mean sometimes you can see things with your eye balls. Anyone would clearly evaluate that he has played adequate D at third. Nobody is fitting him for a gold glove yet.
but part of the poor range numbers have to do with him being very deliberate in his transfers, in setting his feet to throw, etc etc. And that is by design. The Yankees have been trying to slow him down defensively since ST. He is never going to be Machado going to his right at 3B, but as he gets more comfortable and as the actions start getting smoother and faster some of what is captured by those metrics is going to improve.
Andujar isn't a good third baseman....at the moment
He does, however, seem to have the tools to be solid. He's a decent enough athlete and has a gun of an arm. He needs to improve his footwork more than anything.
A few people have mentioned Eovaldi as a good trade target, while many of us (including me) have said no thanks, remembering him as being rather mediocre. Fangraphs suggests, however, that he's a much better pitcher now than before he got hurt and might be the best available starter. Link - ( New Window )
His UZR is -22, so he's obviously not good on defense.
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why dont you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujars defense?
Im very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that hes at least average defensively. Most every metric I can find says hes below average, some by a lot.
Doesnt mean he cant get better. Hell, doesnt even mean that Im not willing to live with what hes doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and theres plenty of runway for improvement.
First off, is there anything less important than range for a 3rd baseman? The dude has great hands and a cannon for an arm. His range is good enough as I've seen him get to a few balls to his left. Secondly, just looking at UZR and suggesting that he's not good on defense is just silly. You can watch him and see that he's been pretty good on defense.
9 in 48.1 innings is not great, and when he pitched against the Houston lineup in a hitter's park he surrendered 4. He's a solid pitcher, but we play in a bandbox and the HRs may take a toll.
Here and fight that a guy with -15 UZR is a better defensive player than a guy with -20. But if a guy has -22 (along with almost equally unflattering DRS and FRAA), I feel reasonably confident saying that he isnt quite average defensively.
Eye test isnt meaningless, but its susceptible to people seeing what they want to see and forgetting the rest. For instance, the double play ball that Miggy backed up on last night to get a chest high hop rather than charging, which cost them the DP. His footwork is inefficient, and hes often a bit slow to get the ball out of the glove. Up to this point, a lot of these things have been masked by the fact that he has a plus arm.
Id hate to see them actually give up assets for him, but I think the rumors may be a clever angle that the yanks are playing a) standard price enforcement and b) a legal tampering of sorts to send the message loud and clear to Machado that they want him in the offseason and not to sign an extension anywhere in advance of that.
Theoretically, it could be part of a balls-out go for it now strategy where they send Andujar out for pitching and fill 3B with Machado, but that seems like a really drastic and expensive path (in terms of assets) for the deadline, and also comes with Machados Im a SS insistence to deal with...feels
unlikely.
I just don't see them paying a fortune to rent Machado
Could be. And signaling is a past Yankee practice.
So is bidding up the price for other teams, even if they have no interest themselves
However, I expect that before the month is over we are linked to Kershaw, Bumgartner, DeGrom, Harvey, Hand, Harper, Realmuto, Archer, Fullmer, Thor, Trout and the return of Barry Bonds. We may even buy the Braves, strip their assets and leave an empty stadium before buying Cleveland just to appoint Francona as a bench coach for Boone.
We may trade players we don't have, prospects we are dreaming about and Aaron Judge. All for someone no one heard of...but who has Scott Boras for an agent.
Its a weird time of year for any baseball fan under any circumstances but this years Yankees being close makes the nuttiness spray even faster.
It will be an interesting few weeks...followed by a month of analysis/over-analysis/rumors and spin from every angle
Yep, sounds right. That means he's "decent" defensively, and he clearly has upside. Given what a revelation he has been as a 23 year old hitter, we get a total package that could well win ROY with Gleyber missing time. That's a pretty exciting outcome,given that his fielding will get better, his patience will get better, and some of those scorching doubles will turn into homers as he matures physically.
He has the fourth highest OPS of AL third basemen, and the three above him are stars.(link) Not shabby at an ae where nearly everyone else is in the minors. The 2 3B above him who are under 25 are essentially superstars--Ramirez at 25 and Bregman at 24. Link - ( New Window )
RE: I just don't see them paying a fortune to rent Machado
I wonder whether this is another "kill all the birds with one stone" type of trade like last year. Remember the trade that netted them DRobertson, Kahnle and Frazier for Clippard and some prospects?
There are reports that the Yanks interest in Machado is more of a package thing- with the Yanks looking at Britton and controllable SP. If that is the case, it might be that the Yanks are looking to improve their pitching, while also boosting the offense.
On MLB Trade Rumors, the names thrown around were Brach, Britton and Gausman.
However, if these are the players involved, this would probably have to be one of those deals where the O's take back some money. Keep in mind that the Yanks are somewhere around $15-16M under the luxury tax line.
IF the Yanks were to take on Machado ($16M), Britton ($12M) and Gausman ($5.6M), given that half the season has passed, we would cut the above salaries in half- but that still adds up to about $18M in salary being assumed by the Yanks, which would bump them over the tax line.
If the Yanks took Brach instead of Britton, Brach is only making $5.165M, which would probably allow the Yanks to stay just below the tax line.
I think the Yanks would likely insist that Baltimore take back Gray or Walker to give the Yanks more room under the luxury tax line.
Obviously, it would depend on the prospects going to the O's and Machado is clearly an offensive upgrade- but the bigger question is whether the Yanks are getting enough of a pitching upgrade to make the trade?
none of Gausman, Brach, or Britton are particularly appealing
How often is a Yankees deal one that had been loudly rumored to be happening? Not very often, I don't think. Cashman usually operates very quietly. For rumors to start popping up suggests to me that the Yankees are trying to drive the price up.
have more to do with Didi than they do Andujar. I love Didi and he seems like a great clubhouse guy who's beloved by his teammates but next year is his last year of arb eligibility before becoming a FA. On offense Machado is a big upgrade and would really fortify their lineup going forward. Right now they dont have a single starter hitting over .300 and only Judge has an OBP in Machado's range.
It's a foregone conclusion that the Yankees will spend this offseason once the tax resets and there really aren't any better options to give one of those mega deals to when you consider his age and consistency (vs someone like Harper). You can argue that they shouldn't give out any big contracts but if what we've seen in the past is any indication, when there's excess money to be spent the Yankees typically do spend it. I'd rather they give it to someone like Machado than anyone else out there on the market and the alternative is the owners just pocket more money.
They could also then try and trade Didi for a SP maybe in the offseason or if it's 3B they view Machado at, then do the same with Andujar either now or at the deadline. They have an amazing young core but years of contention is never a given in sports and they desperately need to add another SP or two to that core. That isn't likely to come through FA without getting lucky and hitting on a younger guy who turns things around drastically.
I should note that I don't know whether or not Machado is a big downgrade to Didi in the field at SS. The stats say that it's pretty close but that's not a very well informed viewpoint.
How much of one is probably open to debate, but Machado has been a below-average shortstop to date. He's still publicly insisting that he won't play anywhere else, though.
I would love to have Machado, don't get me wrong - but if we're going to move assets, it should really be for a SP.
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
I would love to have Machado, don't get me wrong - but if we're going to move assets, it should really be for a SP.
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
If they're not scared off by his insistence on playing 3B maybe Cashman is readying to use Andujar in a deal for a top SP? I would imagine even for teams that don't have their guys on the block he'd be the type of chip that could change one's mind.
is not worth what the likely ask would be. Yes he's an improvement, but the Yankees are 3rd in MLB in runs (would probably be 2nd if they played the same number of games as the Stros) and far and away 1st in HRs, 20 ahead of the next closest team. The improvement for a team like the Dodgers would be much greater. Long term sure, but not for three months.
Stabilizing the starting rotation is much more important. Either get a guy who will give you consistent innings, like Happ or Hamels, or overpay for a guy with a chance to be a playoff 2 (Snell, maybe).
I understand you never know when you'll have a chance again and when you do it makes sense to go for it. But not with the is team where they are today. The future is too bright to mortgage it. Their best players position players still have several years of team control in front of them. They need pitching especially starting pitching but all pitching going forward. If they want Manny break the budget after the season and sign him as a FA. But only for 3B. He's a bad SS. If they're going to trade some of their chips this year it has to be for pitchers. Having said that it's very smart business to let everyone know including Manny they want him pretty badly even if they don't.
How often is a Yankees deal one that had been loudly rumored to be happening? Not very often, I don't think. Cashman usually operates very quietly. For rumors to start popping up suggests to me that the Yankees are trying to drive the price up.
Yea this is usually true though last year there was quite of bit of talk about the Sonny Gray trade before it finally happened. I agree though that I just can't see giving up assets for Machado in a trade when you can have him simply for money in the off season once the luxury tax re-sets. Also the whole SS-3B thing can be handled much more smoothly in the off season than on the fly in July.
Nice timely objective article about Andujar on RAB
I pretty much agree with every word of it. But I'll be happy if he goes in the right trade. I think he is at the absolute peak of his value right this minute and that as time goes on he's going to be even more Castro than he is now. Three reasons Yankees should make Miguel Andujar available at the trade deadline - ( New Window )
One thing I can say, I live here in the NY metro area so I watch the games on YES but when I'm working on the computer downstairs and I want to keep track by streaming the games I usually go on Reddit and get the other team's feed just for a change of pace. I can say that he other team's announcers are often raving about Andujar when he comes up. So while thats not scientific, I can say he's is thought of pretty well around the league.
IF he can be included in a trade for an elite pitcher, it opens up opportunities for Drury. I believe in Drury, and the Yankee doctors have apparently figure out how to control the migraines and blurred vision--an irritated tendon in his neck was causing it.
But a trade including Andujar has to bring back real quality pitching. It's not clear that it will.
Odd, I would have thought Cessa would be 26th man, to start 2nd game. But I guess they really wanted another arm in bullpen.
Odd, I would have thought Cessa would be 26th man, to start 2nd game. But I guess they really wanted another arm in bullpen.
Wasn't Cessa already brought up and the #25 man with Gallegos being #26 for the DH? I thought Cessa's move tied in with Hale being DFA'd.
Ahh ok. I thought between the Hale and Loasiaga moves Cessa took one of those spots on the 25. Thought it was for Hale but wasn't sure.
Agreed but a lead off hitter seeing more than two pitches would help make that a bit easier. It's one thing if it was a pitch that should've been crushed but just missed. Another thing altogether when it's a shitty pitch you really couldn't do much with. Just take that even if it puts you down 0-2.
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Still - no reason not to crush Jimmy fucking YACABONIS and his 8.31 ERA.
Agreed but a lead off hitter seeing more than two pitches would help make that a bit easier. It's one thing if it was a pitch that should've been crushed but just missed. Another thing altogether when it's a shitty pitch you really couldn't do much with. Just take that even if it puts you down 0-2.
Yeah, not a good approach there. Need to make this guy throw some pitches. No need to give away quick outs.
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Still - no reason not to crush Jimmy fucking YACABONIS and his 8.31 ERA.
Agreed but a lead off hitter seeing more than two pitches would help make that a bit easier. It's one thing if it was a pitch that should've been crushed but just missed. Another thing altogether when it's a shitty pitch you really couldn't do much with. Just take that even if it puts you down 0-2.
Yeah, not a good approach there. Need to make this guy throw some pitches. No need to give away quick outs.
Yup. Make him throw a lot, get into the pen and do even more damage. Plus it benefits us in the 2nd game if we get into their pen early.
I don't have a problem with them swinging early in the count if they get a great pitch to hit, just don't swing at pitcher's pitches early in this 1st game.
Maybe Higgy can give them some tips...
I thought we couldn't hit with RISP. :P
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what was Buck on about with the dirt in the batters box?
Machado slipped during his AB, so the grounds crew came out and rewatered and resodded the batter's box.
Gotcha thx.
Nice to see the bats break out early today! Be nice to turn in a couple laughers to ease the pressure on the pitching staff
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That was a rocket. Nice double for 99.
Was that a double or fielder's choice?
My mistake - he advanced on the throw. I keep turning my head to watch the game while I'm sending e-mails for work.
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That was a rocket. Nice double for 99.
Was that a double or fielder's choice?
My mistake - he advanced on the throw. I keep turning my head to watch the game while I'm sending e-mails for work.
No worries. I never know whether I'm scoring things right in my head.
Where do you get the exit velos?
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.@CC_Sabathia's fourth-inning strikeout of Joey Rickard marked his 1,528th strikeout as a Yankee, surpassing Red Ruffing (1,527) for fourth place on the Yankees all-time strikeout list.
Absolutely ridiculous.
At least brings up MAchado with no one else on...
That guy did a great job only giving up 3 runs you act like the Yankees scored 9 runs off him,
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The weakest contact that inning was the DP, at 95 MPH. Everything else hit 100+.
That guy did a great job only giving up 3 runs you act like the Yankees scored 9 runs off him,
Batting 500 with RISP today shitheel
Hey, look at that, a Neil Walker hit!
Hey, look at that, a Neil Walker hit!
Oh please he kept them in the game and now we are losing
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Everything was drilled. He was extremely lucky.
Hey, look at that, a Neil Walker hit!
Oh please he kept them in the game and now we are losing
Thank god we lost a lead otherwise you would have nothing to say...
Ya know Susan, ya just can't predict baseball.
Ya know Susan, ya just can't predict baseball.
The O's have had more quality ab's in this game than they have had the last month combined
I know its a double-header, but these games matter...
I know its a double-header, but these games matter...
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Everything was drilled. He was extremely lucky.
Hey, look at that, a Neil Walker hit!
Oh please he kept them in the game and now we are losing
Thank god we lost a lead otherwise you would have nothing to say...
Yea Ill just blame the strike zone every time we lose hows that
Orioles are 1-9 against the Red Sox this year an 4-3 against the Yankees embarrassment!!!!!
At least theres another game coming right up to hopefully wipe the bad taste out from this one. Have to win.
Funny how you do more bitching then anyone all you do is complain about every opposing hitter and pitcher everyone sucks in your eyes
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Higgy in the 9th??
I know its a double-header, but these games matter...
WHo did they have left? Romine?
Gardy PH on the very next at-bat. So he was obviously available.
Sorry I dont watch games with my Yankee colored glasses like you do
Arent you a met fan??? Fraud
The Yankees have been good against the best teams, and lost some head scratching games against bad teams.
The Yanks are a better overall team, but they need to stop losing games to shit teams.
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Higgy in the 9th??
I know its a double-header, but these games matter...
WHo did they have left? Romine?
Gardy PH on the very next at-bat. So he was obviously available.
In that case, he could have gone Gardner-Romine, but I thought Higgy looked pretty good at the plate.
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Fucking troll
Sorry I dont watch games with my Yankee colored glasses like you do
... so you're not a yankee fan?
You're the reason people can't stand Yankee fans. If they don't win by 10 runs and shut out the other team, you'll bitch. You're the worst.
Serious question. What interests or viewing habits give you joy or help you stay calm and content?
Problem is you have a shot to win this game you go for it IMO. I'll worry about game two when I have to.
This game had a bit of a Philly game three feel to it for me when I saw the lineup. Trying to steal one while looking ahead. I don't like that approach and prefer to go for the win that's right in front of me now. You get the first game and keep them down making getting the second a bit easier,IMO.
Said Valencia was going to be CC's last batter no matter what. Had Holder up the second a guy got on in the 6th. The doubleheader didn't change anything.
He never should have faced Valencia. Defending it is only going to make the media go after him more. Just admit you fucked up and move on.
Drury sent down for Cessa. So glad that Walker is staying. What does Walker have to do to get sent packing?
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2 of the 3 stooges have arrived. Just need the last one!
Arent you a met fan??? Fraud
Who is the real fraud? Me, for coming here to actually talk objectively about baseball and ultimately want the team to win, or you, who only shows up to whine more than a teenage girl on the rag when things go wrong but is nowhere to be seen when the team wins?
I'm thinking it's not me...
Said Valencia was going to be CC's last batter no matter what. Had Holder up the second a guy got on in the 6th. The doubleheader didn't change anything.
He never should have faced Valencia. Defending it is only going to make the media go after him more. Just admit you fucked up and move on.
Drury sent down for Cessa. So glad that Walker is staying. What does Walker have to do to get sent packing?
Wow. Surprised it was Drury.
And that's a problem for me. I get not wanting to blow the pen up but no reason Holder couldn't have started the 6th or bring him in when the lead off guy gets on. He's not going to be available tonight anyway now and still ended up having to get three outs in the 6th. Doesn't make any sense to me why he wasn't in earlier.
The game was there to be won, and Boone has got to make sure they get it. That was the pivotal point of the game and it was clear at least to me, CC was gassed, and should've been pulled at worst after the lead off guy in the 6th.
DH Judge
SS Didi
RF Stanton
1B Bird
3B Andujar
LF Frazier
C Romine
2B Walker
Gardner with the lead off single. LEt's go!
Gardner with the lead off single. LEt's go!
Good call, and agreed. We need to turn the page on game one. (Me especially) I hate losing games that feel more like we lost it than we got beat.
Exactly my thinking too. He just needs to not be an automatic out. If he can hit .250 I think he sticks. I'd definitely like better than that but he just can't be putting up week long 0-fers.
Everything else he does is A+ so here's hoping this time around he's more comfortable and productive at the plate.
He needs to relax. I think he's definitely thinking too much about that bus ticket. Seems like as long as Hicks' legs might be barking Frazier is needed and safe.
A couple of hits tonight would go a long way to him just relaxing and playing like he's capable of.
That poor second base bag...
I don't know about that. Unless there's an injury he doesn't have a spot to play and it's not like he was tearing it up while he was here.
I think it's more likely he gets included in a trade than back up any time soon.
For shame.
Got him with the change. Kid's got a good one and not afraid to keep throwing it. Got Bird with a few too.
I'm with Singleton though. He's gonna hang a couple and they're going to get crushed.
Is he supposed to be very good?
Yeah. That report has got to be talking about as a free agent because a trade doesn't make much sense any way you look at it.
Now can people who were calling for Sanchez, even a massively slumping Sanchez, to be benched for Romine see how silly that would have been?
Now can people who were calling for Sanchez, even a massively slumping Sanchez, to be benched for Romine see how silly that would have been?
Remember that guy who called for SAnchez to be traded and Romine to be slotted in as the starter? Oi vey
before the deadline so they are "in the mix" in the offseason market for his guy
before the deadline so they are "in the mix" in the offseason market for his guy
So true and I'm sure every top agent has his go to media guy they use to get the word out.
I did read something earlier from the SF Giants news and sounds like they might be sellers. Seems like everyone but Posey could be available but I still have a hard time believing Bumgarner goes anywhere.
If they are even tempted to move him, that has to be Cash's first phone call and really give them something to think about. Tempt the hell out of them!
Not until 2020. He's due to earn 12 Mil next year and then he's an UFA in 2020.
I'd still give up a nice package for him, and then work on resigning him.
Thing is he didn't really conserve the pen all that much. More like he brought Holder in at the wrong time. If he starts the 6th with him or when the lead off guy got on, nothing changes in what he gets out of Holder. Still ended up getting three outs in the 6th from him, just a bit too late.
Definitely makes it more annoying for me too but gotta let it go, and hopefully Boone learns from it. Go for the win when it's there.
I'm hoping for a few more tack on runs and let Gallegos finish it up. Love to get Chapman another day to let the knee rest.
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Fantastic outing for Cessa. Sort of makes the first game so much more frustrating, but we need this game and that's all that matters now. The pen should be good to hold serve for 9 outs here with the 4 run lead.
I'm hoping for a few more tack on runs and let Gallegos finish it up. Love to get Chapman another day to let the knee rest.
Got you those runs. :)
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Fantastic outing for Cessa. Sort of makes the first game so much more frustrating, but we need this game and that's all that matters now. The pen should be good to hold serve for 9 outs here with the 4 run lead.
I'm hoping for a few more tack on runs and let Gallegos finish it up. Love to get Chapman another day to let the knee rest.
Got you those runs. :)
Gotta luv it.
Singleton on with the great foreshadowing call once again. How cool was that?
And once again, why you play them one game at a time. Sorry, I'm just still bummed over game one. I'm sure it'll pass by tomorrow but tonight not so much. Lol.
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Turning into a nice little laugher here - won't have to use the big guns out of the pen now.
And once again, why you play them one game at a time. Sorry, I'm just still bummed over game one. I'm sure it'll pass by tomorrow but tonight not so much. Lol.
I hear ya - extra frustrating loss in the first one now - knowing how this went. But, I guess as John says, "that's baseball, Susan"
Andujar is a fucking double machine
Good to see the bats come alive in this one though so that's helped.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
He can learn to be more patient and selective but you can't teach someone to hit as well as he does IMO. It's a god given talent.
I'd love MB, and would offer a real nice package for him but he'll only be under contract for this year and next unless they can resign him. I'd be more willing to offer up some top prospects than a guy from our Major League roster for him.
Hint: in the year that Judge was one year older: Judge's debut season, in which he batted .179 and struck out 42 times in 84 at-bats (95 plate appearances), ended prematurely when he was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a grade 2 right oblique strain on September 13, 2016
Why would anyone assume that a 23-year-old that is in the top 3 for AL rookie of the year won't become more patient as he reaches the age where most hitters are just entering the league on a full-time basis? Personally, I would also consider that Andujar was supposed to suck as a 3rd baseman, and he's kinda average--at 23. Perhaps this year he was more concerned about his fielding than his hitting patience?
How about not.
I know his defense has been much better than expected and he's been a good hitter but his lack of patience will hold him back, imo.
If the Giants ever make MB available the Yanks should be all over that. Only untouchable for me for MB is Torres, everyone else is fair game and Andujar could headline a deal for a stud pitcher.
Yea I can go either way on Andujar. He seems to be striking out a lot more lately and he really is constantly swinging at pitches over his head. Hopefully its just a bad stretch, because before this he was getting a little more patient. I wouldn't be adverse to parting with him in the right deal though. The pitches he's been swinging at lately look like 2003 post season Alfonso Soriano and he did recover to have an excellent career after that...
...Red Sawx something like 9-1.
The curse of Buck Showalter.
As in starting pitching?
He hasnt made a lot of errors, which is nice. But hes not a good defensive player.
What a joke.
LOL, yeah - funny how neither one had anything to say during the Game 2 ass kicking.
Surprised they didn't throw a fit over Gallegos allowing 2 runs. The bullpen sucks! Team is no good!
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why dont you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujars defense?
Im very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that hes at least average defensively. Most every metric I can find says hes below average, some by a lot.
Doesnt mean he cant get better. Hell, doesnt even mean that Im not willing to live with what hes doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and theres plenty of runway for improvement.
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His UZR is -22, so he's obviously not good on defense.
What a joke.
Instead of being condescending, why dont you tell us what defensive metrics you prefer and what they say about Andujars defense?
Im very high on Andujar. I just take issue with the common refrain on these threads that hes at least average defensively. Most every metric I can find says hes below average, some by a lot.
Doesnt mean he cant get better. Hell, doesnt even mean that Im not willing to live with what hes doing defensively right now. The bat makes up for it, and theres plenty of runway for improvement.
First off, is there anything less important than range for a 3rd baseman? The dude has great hands and a cannon for an arm. His range is good enough as I've seen him get to a few balls to his left. Secondly, just looking at UZR and suggesting that he's not good on defense is just silly. You can watch him and see that he's been pretty good on defense.
Eye test isnt meaningless, but its susceptible to people seeing what they want to see and forgetting the rest. For instance, the double play ball that Miggy backed up on last night to get a chest high hop rather than charging, which cost them the DP. His footwork is inefficient, and hes often a bit slow to get the ball out of the glove. Up to this point, a lot of these things have been masked by the fact that he has a plus arm.
Theoretically, it could be part of a balls-out go for it now strategy where they send Andujar out for pitching and fill 3B with Machado, but that seems like a really drastic and expensive path (in terms of assets) for the deadline, and also comes with Machados Im a SS insistence to deal with...feels
unlikely.
So is bidding up the price for other teams, even if they have no interest themselves
However, I expect that before the month is over we are linked to Kershaw, Bumgartner, DeGrom, Harvey, Hand, Harper, Realmuto, Archer, Fullmer, Thor, Trout and the return of Barry Bonds. We may even buy the Braves, strip their assets and leave an empty stadium before buying Cleveland just to appoint Francona as a bench coach for Boone.
We may trade players we don't have, prospects we are dreaming about and Aaron Judge. All for someone no one heard of...but who has Scott Boras for an agent.
Its a weird time of year for any baseball fan under any circumstances but this years Yankees being close makes the nuttiness spray even faster.
It will be an interesting few weeks...followed by a month of analysis/over-analysis/rumors and spin from every angle
He has the fourth highest OPS of AL third basemen, and the three above him are stars.(link) Not shabby at an ae where nearly everyone else is in the minors. The 2 3B above him who are under 25 are essentially superstars--Ramirez at 25 and Bregman at 24.
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I wonder whether this is another "kill all the birds with one stone" type of trade like last year. Remember the trade that netted them DRobertson, Kahnle and Frazier for Clippard and some prospects?
There are reports that the Yanks interest in Machado is more of a package thing- with the Yanks looking at Britton and controllable SP. If that is the case, it might be that the Yanks are looking to improve their pitching, while also boosting the offense.
On MLB Trade Rumors, the names thrown around were Brach, Britton and Gausman.
However, if these are the players involved, this would probably have to be one of those deals where the O's take back some money. Keep in mind that the Yanks are somewhere around $15-16M under the luxury tax line.
IF the Yanks were to take on Machado ($16M), Britton ($12M) and Gausman ($5.6M), given that half the season has passed, we would cut the above salaries in half- but that still adds up to about $18M in salary being assumed by the Yanks, which would bump them over the tax line.
If the Yanks took Brach instead of Britton, Brach is only making $5.165M, which would probably allow the Yanks to stay just below the tax line.
I think the Yanks would likely insist that Baltimore take back Gray or Walker to give the Yanks more room under the luxury tax line.
Obviously, it would depend on the prospects going to the O's and Machado is clearly an offensive upgrade- but the bigger question is whether the Yanks are getting enough of a pitching upgrade to make the trade?
It's a foregone conclusion that the Yankees will spend this offseason once the tax resets and there really aren't any better options to give one of those mega deals to when you consider his age and consistency (vs someone like Harper). You can argue that they shouldn't give out any big contracts but if what we've seen in the past is any indication, when there's excess money to be spent the Yankees typically do spend it. I'd rather they give it to someone like Machado than anyone else out there on the market and the alternative is the owners just pocket more money.
They could also then try and trade Didi for a SP maybe in the offseason or if it's 3B they view Machado at, then do the same with Andujar either now or at the deadline. They have an amazing young core but years of contention is never a given in sports and they desperately need to add another SP or two to that core. That isn't likely to come through FA without getting lucky and hitting on a younger guy who turns things around drastically.
I should note that I don't know whether or not Machado is a big downgrade to Didi in the field at SS. The stats say that it's pretty close but that's not a very well informed viewpoint.
SSS warning, but one thing that would be cool about adding Machado is that he hammers several current Boston pitchers. Career numbers vs
Price: .293/.341/.683, 5 homers
Porcello: .342/.381/.526, 2 homers
Sale: .316/.409/.579, 1 homer
Joe Kelly: .375/.389/.500
Eduardo Rodriguez has had his number though, .182/.270/.242
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
We're going to score more than enough when Gary and Gleyber are back. We're 3rd in runs scored (unfortunately, BOS/HOU are the two teams ahead of us) as it stands now. Machado seems more like a luxury than a necessity.
If they want to make a splash like that, just pursue him when he's on the market (or sign Harper)
If they're not scared off by his insistence on playing 3B maybe Cashman is readying to use Andujar in a deal for a top SP? I would imagine even for teams that don't have their guys on the block he'd be the type of chip that could change one's mind.
Stabilizing the starting rotation is much more important. Either get a guy who will give you consistent innings, like Happ or Hamels, or overpay for a guy with a chance to be a playoff 2 (Snell, maybe).
Yea this is usually true though last year there was quite of bit of talk about the Sonny Gray trade before it finally happened. I agree though that I just can't see giving up assets for Machado in a trade when you can have him simply for money in the off season once the luxury tax re-sets. Also the whole SS-3B thing can be handled much more smoothly in the off season than on the fly in July.
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One thing I can say, I live here in the NY metro area so I watch the games on YES but when I'm working on the computer downstairs and I want to keep track by streaming the games I usually go on Reddit and get the other team's feed just for a change of pace. I can say that he other team's announcers are often raving about Andujar when he comes up. So while thats not scientific, I can say he's is thought of pretty well around the league.
Even if one disagrees, it was an interesting article
But a trade including Andujar has to bring back real quality pitching. It's not clear that it will.