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NFT: **World Cup Semifinals Thread**

Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/10/2018 9:56 am
The final four is upon us. France v Belgium today, Croatia v England tomorrow.

I'm going with the best defenses and a France v England final.
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if Croatia pulls this out  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/11/2018 3:55 pm : link
I hope they can find some way to recover for Sunday. They will have some tired, tired legs.
RE: England fell asleep  
schabadoo : 7/11/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14011033 UESBLUE said:
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trying to win 1-0 never a good plan.


Doesn't seem accurate. They were pushing forward as much as earlier.
Go for PKs  
spike : 7/11/2018 4:18 pm : link
If I were england.
Their forwardsarent outrunning anyone.
There's the patented..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2018 4:21 pm : link
England choke job!!
Stones  
UESBLUE : 7/11/2018 4:23 pm : link
has never impressed me
Oh Kyle Walker  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/11/2018 4:23 pm : link
Weak header....
RE: Stones  
Mr. Bungle : 7/11/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14011090 UESBLUE said:
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has never impressed me

They had some good albums.
Wow Modric coming off  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/11/2018 4:32 pm : link
if England scores late ...
Not calling fouls  
spike : 7/11/2018 4:32 pm : link
..
England out of ideas  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/11/2018 4:35 pm : link
No central midfielder with any creativity or passing
Dreadful  
spike : 7/11/2018 4:36 pm : link
Ref
What  
AcidTest : 7/11/2018 4:37 pm : link
a game.
thriling match  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/11/2018 4:38 pm : link
soured at the end by dishonorable time wasting.
I hope someone  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/11/2018 4:39 pm : link
has David Diehl's car keys.
Details  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 4:39 pm : link
Kyle Walker's poor clearance, and the other defenders switching off.
England  
spike : 7/11/2018 4:40 pm : link
Misses Wayne Rooney
RE: England  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14011109 spike said:
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Misses Wayne Rooney


That's a joke right?
RE: England out of ideas  
UESBLUE : 7/11/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14011100 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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No central midfielder with any creativity or passing

Like...ever.
RE: I hope someone  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2018 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14011107 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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has David Diehl's car keys.


lol - I posted something similar after the last Croatia win. Hey - I'm sure he's happy about it, and that's great. Let's just hope he was watching somewhere he doesn't need to drive home from.
Possessed by Balkan demons  
ColHowPepper : 7/11/2018 4:43 pm : link
Another amazing match
Damn  
Oscar : 7/11/2018 4:45 pm : link
I really wanted England to win. Croatia deserve it but I have no interest in watching them in the final to be honest. Wanted the best story and that was France v England. Would have been a really fun event on Sunday in the US where England are incredibly popular.

I'm glad Croatia won and I hope they win on Sunday.  
Ceez2.0 : 7/11/2018 4:49 pm : link
England has a lot of young talent and this experience will go a long way for them.
I sincerely doubt England will make a final  
Oscar : 7/11/2018 4:52 pm : link
In my lifetime. This tournament broke beautifully for them and they were up 1-0 in the sixth minute and couldn’t get the job done. Will never have a chance like that again.

Generally speaking they are not good enough to consistently compete with the best countries. Need to seize a chance like that when it comes.
YES!  
Joey in VA : 7/11/2018 4:53 pm : link
My countrymen did it! Well 1/4 of my countrymen. I'm on the Croatian bandwagon and proud of it. My mom asked me to root since the US and my other 3 background, Cuba, Ireland and Italy were all out. Her mom was 100% Croatian so we're all a 'ic during this tournament.
I think we have to give credit where credit is due  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/11/2018 4:55 pm : link
Modric, Rakitic and Mandzukic have been been world-class players for a long time - even Perisic. They knew how to win - England's players are still growing into their stardom.

Or you can also say when your top players are from Spurs... just kidding.
Lucky for you  
giantBCP : 7/11/2018 4:56 pm : link
If you would have chosen to support Italy, then you would have suffered racial abuse from the native Americans on the forum.
Great game  
Gmen88 : 7/11/2018 4:57 pm : link
Fuck England.
Croatia have played without pressure since the knockout stages  
wigs in nyc : 7/11/2018 4:58 pm : link
they play without ego and weight of expectation, and for 120 minutes. A bunch of veterans. An easy underdog to root for in the final.
US fans are a weird bunch  
Oscar : 7/11/2018 5:04 pm : link
Not the majority maybe, but the “very serious” US national team fans are a strange bunch. I think international soccer as a rule is not that serious of a thing, it’s supposed to be fun. Of course you should be invested in the results and enjoy it but to viscerally HATE other teams is weird to me in the context of international soccer. Games are so infrequent and the whole thing is such a carnival atmosphere I genuinely don’t really understand hating another team.

Particularly think about this with regards to Mexico, who many “very serious” US soccer fans HATE. But I always root for Mexico in these tournaments. They are our neighbors, I interact with Mexicans every day of my life, our cultures are intertwined. I like seeing them do well.

Same thing applies to anyone who dares to root for a country other than the US though.
Been a great tournament  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 5:26 pm : link
As an objective viewer it's probably been my favorite ever. Part of that comes from the much improved general coverage of it. Some of the podcasts (Totally Football Show, Guardian's World Cup Daily, Grant Wahl's Planet Futbol, Graham Hunter's Big Interview) and YouTube channels (Guillem Balague, BBC coverage) have all really added to the experience of following the tournament.

On the field the margins are finer than they've ever been. For us USMNT fans - Croatia is NOT a long time established soccer power. They participated in their first tournament in 1996 after the dissolution of Yugoslavia. They also entered this particular tournament under an enormous amount of turmoil that could legitimately see Luka Modric go to prison on perjury charges. My point is that if you pick the right players, are well organized, and get a couple breaks this level of success is possible. If Croatia can come out of these politically, culturally, and athletically revulsive 25 years with a World Cup semifinal appearance in '98 and a final appearance in 2018 - it isn't beyond the US either. It can be done.
Oscar, rivalry is only a part of the feelings with Mexico.  
11 to 89 : 7/11/2018 5:32 pm : link
Hate is probably a bit strong, but I have a very strong dislike for the Mexico team. Rivalry is certainly a part of it. The bigger part, in my case, is their absolutely horrible fan base. Have you ever been to a match with Mexican fans? They make Eagles fans look tame. Obnoxious and vulgar.
RE: Been a great tournament  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/11/2018 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14011164 Go Terps said:
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As an objective viewer it's probably been my favorite ever. Part of that comes from the much improved general coverage of it. Some of the podcasts (Totally Football Show, Guardian's World Cup Daily, Grant Wahl's Planet Futbol, Graham Hunter's Big Interview) and YouTube channels (Guillem Balague, BBC coverage) have all really added to the experience of following the tournament.


I completely agree with this sentiment. I have shared this WC with my kid, watching games and the sticker album collection, as well as the all of media. I basically listened to the Totally Football Show every morning on my commute and on the weekends and it was a great journey - I even appreciated Fox's World Cup Tonight for what it was. As Terps points out, there was so much good content that you couldn't possibly interact with it all.

Now if only Greece could've drawn Denmark or Sweden instead of Croatia ....
BHE  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 8:24 pm : link
The Totally Football Show is phenomenal. I'm gonna miss the Russia-themed intros.
GT..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2018 9:26 pm : link
and BHE. Put me in the same group as you guys. I workout most mornings to podcasts about soccer. The ones listed above cover my favorites too
Who do you guys have as your team of the tournament?  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 9:51 pm : link
I'm thinking:

-----------------Pickford
-Trippier--Varane--Godin--Laxalt
------------------Kante
-Mbappe-----Modric-----Cheryshev
------------------Lukaku

Bubble guys for me were Courtois, Lloris, Umtiti, Mina, Hazard, Perisic, and Kane.

The big themes for me have been:

1. Obviously set pieces are more important than ever. This may speak to how organized teams are, and how that makes it harder to score from open play.

2. The fullbacks have, with few exceptions, had little impact on this tournament. Part of that was down to injuries to Alves and Marcelo, as well as Spain's general inability to function with Alba, but I wonder if that's indicative of something deeper on a tactical level.

3. The re-emergence of the midfield destroyer, embodied of course by Kante (who I would name as player of the tournament).

4. The two giants that base their game on possession, Spain and Germany, need to come up with a way to overcome teams that play with 5 man defenses and generally park the bus. I don't think either country should overhaul what they do, but I think some fresh ideas are needed.
RE: BHE  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/11/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14011268 Go Terps said:
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The Totally Football Show is phenomenal. I'm gonna miss the Russia-themed intros.


Unbelievable, Unbelievable This!
Ha!  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 11:46 pm : link
I've said that to myself about a hundred times the last month. I also love the usage of movie quotes from Hunt for Red October, Rocky IV, and the like. The other day they used a clip of the Soviet boxing rep in Drago's camp deriding how our boxing was indicative of how our decrepit society was falling apart or some shit - I laughed my ass off.

I just subscribed to the Totally Football League show too. I've taken to following Forest Green Rovers (mainly because of FIFA), and I'm hoping it's to the same standard.
RE: Ha!  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/12/2018 7:32 am : link
In comment 14011421 Go Terps said:
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I've said that to myself about a hundred times the last month. I also love the usage of movie quotes from Hunt for Red October, Rocky IV, and the like. The other day they used a clip of the Soviet boxing rep in Drago's camp deriding how our boxing was indicative of how our decrepit society was falling apart or some shit - I laughed my ass off.

I just subscribed to the Totally Football League show too. I've taken to following Forest Green Rovers (mainly because of FIFA), and I'm hoping it's to the same standard.


I listen regularly to Golazzo - their Serie A podcast with Jimbo, Horncastle and Gabriele Marcotti. Really fun because it splits between diving into figures and teams of the past (from Batigol to 90 Parma) and covering the league. In fact they announced they are doing a special Golazzo regarding Ronaldo going to Juventus (Marcotti just wrote a lengthy piece about it for ESPN).
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/12/2018 8:20 am : link
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I've taken to following Forest Green Rovers (mainly because of FIFA), and I'm hoping it's to the same standard


Seems like I do the same thing every year for a team I'm trying to move up the ranks.

Honestly though, it improves my knowledge of the game and of International soccer a lot more than the average person.
FYI the Golazzo pod on Ronaldo is already up  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/12/2018 12:28 pm : link
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RE: Been a great tournament  
Ash_3 : 7/12/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14011164 Go Terps said:
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As an objective viewer it's probably been my favorite ever. Part of that comes from the much improved general coverage of it. Some of the podcasts (Totally Football Show, Guardian's World Cup Daily, Grant Wahl's Planet Futbol, Graham Hunter's Big Interview) and YouTube channels (Guillem Balague, BBC coverage) have all really added to the experience of following the tournament.

On the field the margins are finer than they've ever been. For us USMNT fans - Croatia is NOT a long time established soccer power. They participated in their first tournament in 1996 after the dissolution of Yugoslavia. They also entered this particular tournament under an enormous amount of turmoil that could legitimately see Luka Modric go to prison on perjury charges. My point is that if you pick the right players, are well organized, and get a couple breaks this level of success is possible. If Croatia can come out of these politically, culturally, and athletically revulsive 25 years with a World Cup semifinal appearance in '98 and a final appearance in 2018 - it isn't beyond the US either. It can be done.


I think the relevant comparison would be to a run by South Korea in 2002. I could see the U.S. making the WC in that fashion.

This is a terrific Croatia team, with a midfield that likely is the best in the world or at least top three. We do not have a single midfielder who is close to a Rakitic, let alone Modric.
Ash  
Go Terps : 7/12/2018 1:17 pm : link
We don't have a Modric, but many teams have gone far with lesser players. We don't have a Kroos either, but he had his lunch handed to him by LAFC's Carlos Vela in the first match.

My point is simply that it can be done. We have to get our shit together first, and IMO it is decidedly NOT together.
The reason  
Jon in NYC : 7/12/2018 1:34 pm : link
Croatia has been advancing hasn't been because of Modric or Rakitic though. It's because they're been organized and take their opportunities well. In other words, they exact opposite of the US over the past few years.
RE: The reason  
Ash_3 : 7/12/2018 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14011849 Jon in NYC said:
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Croatia has been advancing hasn't been because of Modric or Rakitic though. It's because they're been organized and take their opportunities well. In other words, they exact opposite of the US over the past few years.


I am not contesting the virtues of organization and opportunism. I entirely agree with you and Terps that the U.S. has underachieved principally because they have lacked those things. Our absence from the WC was not due to a lack of talent.

I'm making two claims instead:

1. Croatia's talent level is being underrated. Their midfield quality has had a LOT to do with their advancing this far.

2. We'd obviously (and Terps has noted this) need a good bit of luck in addition to organization and identity to reach the semis. Without these things I think we're squarely a round of 16 to quarterfinal (occasionally) level team.
Keeping the thread open for 3rd place game  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/14/2018 10:04 am : link
New thread for the final and transfers/preseason.

Article from Michael Cox on the return of the traditional CF as reflected through Giroud and Mandzukic.
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RE: Keeping the thread open for 3rd place game  
marbles : 7/14/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 14013005 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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New thread for the final and transfers/preseason.

Article from Michael Cox on the return of the traditional CF as reflected through Giroud and Mandzukic. Link - ( New Window )


Do not stop there. Bring back the traditional sweeper or "libero." Best position for a defender who was bold and creative.
With Lukaku subbed off  
dpinzow : 7/14/2018 11:20 am : link
Harry Kane has clinched the golden boot, barring a hat trick by Griezmann or Mbappe tomorrow
RE: With Lukaku subbed off  
MetsAreBack : 7/14/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 14013060 dpinzow said:
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Harry Kane has clinched the golden boot, barring a hat trick by Griezmann or Mbappe tomorrow


Fine but 5 of the 6 goals were against Tunisia and lowly Panama. Kind of a disappearing act in the bigger games.
RE: Keeping the thread open for 3rd place game  
ColHowPepper : 7/14/2018 4:28 pm : link
I will say that I have come to so enjoy and appreciate the play of Hazard and DeBruyne (and, ok, Lukaku too) together, so attuned to reading each other's runs, feints, and passes, their hell for leather attacking verve on counters, that it seems like they have played together always and should play together always, for Club as well as for country (even if the former is obviously not the case).

One of the many joys of watching this WC.
RE: RE: Keeping the thread open for 3rd place game  
dpinzow : 7/14/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14013165 ColHowPepper said:
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I will say that I have come to so enjoy and appreciate the play of Hazard and DeBruyne (and, ok, Lukaku too) together, so attuned to reading each other's runs, feints, and passes, their hell for leather attacking verve on counters, that it seems like they have played together always and should play together always, for Club as well as for country (even if the former is obviously not the case).

One of the many joys of watching this WC.


At one time or another all three were Chelsea players
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