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Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/10/2018 9:56 am
The final four is upon us. France v Belgium today, Croatia v England tomorrow.

I'm going with the best defenses and a France v England final.
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RE: Varane and Umtiti were excellent  
ColHowPepper : 7/10/2018 4:07 pm : link
They were--ably supported by the work of Pogba, Kanté and Matuidi in front of them
Impressive by France  
Kyle in NY : 7/10/2018 4:15 pm : link
They just have such depth and talent all over their squad. Belgium has 2-3 players as good as anybody but they can’t match the depth the French have

I expressed some confidence before the tournament in this French squad. I just really liked how they were set up in the midfield. I know Pogba has his critics but I think he’s had a really tournament and he and Kante have controlled the center of the field. I think they’ll bring home the cup
For the past year  
Big Rick in FL : 7/10/2018 4:16 pm : link
I don't think there has been a better CB in the World then Varane. He is fucking phenomenal for club and country. He just dominates the opponent and hardly ever is caught out of position because of his speed.
RE: RE: Varane and Umtiti were excellent  
Kyle in NY : 7/10/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14010099 ColHowPepper said:
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They were--ably supported by the work of Pogba, Kanté and Matuidi in front of them


Agreed here, Varane especially has impressed me. With Varane, Umtiti, Kante, Pogba down the middle and then Loris behind them, that’s a really strong spine of the squad
Lukaku had an excellent tournament  
Kyle in NY : 7/10/2018 4:18 pm : link
and Varane/Umtiti just completely smothered him today. You win World Cups keeping clean sheets. That’s now four for France
RE: Lukaku had an excellent tournament  
Big Rick in FL : 7/10/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14010110 Kyle in NY said:
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and Varane/Umtiti just completely smothered him today. You win World Cups keeping clean sheets. That’s now four for France


I can't see how England or Croatia beat them. They are ridiculous.
Big Rick  
Tim in Capital City : 7/10/2018 4:27 pm : link
There was one play where Varane outran Hazard and shielded the ball out of bounds. It was absolutely absurd...I had no idea that Varane had that kind of speed.
I can’t see it  
Kyle in NY : 7/10/2018 4:28 pm : link
but then again I couldn’t see them losing to Portugal without Ronaldo two years ago. So we’ll see, but this is a better team than they had at the Euros. Kante and Varane didn’t play in that final. Such a huge difference.

RE: Big Rick  
Big Rick in FL : 7/10/2018 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14010116 Tim in Capital City said:
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There was one play where Varane outran Hazard and shielded the ball out of bounds. It was absolutely absurd...I had no idea that Varane had that kind of speed.


He's insanely fast. Especially for a guy his size. I can't even count the number of times he's saved Real Madrid's (Mostly Ramos & Marcelo's ass) with his speed. They are constantly caught out of position and he has a long ass sprint to stop an attack basically by himself.
Belgium has no left winger  
spike : 7/10/2018 4:37 pm : link
playing the Fellani there is a mistake.

I wouldve started Batshuayi instead
with 10-15 minutes left  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/10/2018 4:40 pm : link
Belgium had to know it would need to rely on long balls and crosses. At that point, don't you have to leave in Feillani for his size?
That was really good from France  
Go Terps : 7/10/2018 4:46 pm : link
Kante is entering the exalted Makelele territory as a defensive midfielder. What a force...and in combination with the Varane/Umtiti combo that is tough to beat.

That said, France is weak at fullback and I was disappointed that Hazard and De Bruyne weren't able to exploit those areas more. It looked very promising early on for them.

Set pieces, set pieces, set pieces.
RE: That was really good from France  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14010134 Go Terps said:
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Kante is entering the exalted Makelele territory as a defensive midfielder. What a force...and in combination with the Varane/Umtiti combo that is tough to beat.

That said, France is weak at fullback and I was disappointed that Hazard and De Bruyne weren't able to exploit those areas more. It looked very promising early on for them.

Set pieces, set pieces, set pieces.


I don't think Martinez set them up for success. They should have been playing Hazard and Mertens into those spaces out wide, where, as you said, Pavard and Hernandez could be exposed, but he instead played with basically 4 holding midfielders.

Chadli went 1-11 for crosses into the box. I wonder what would have happened if that was a natural left winger.
RE: That was really good from France  
TheVette : 7/10/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14010134 Go Terps said:
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Kante is entering the exalted Makelele territory as a defensive midfielder. What a force...and in combination with the Varane/Umtiti combo that is tough to beat.

That said, France is weak at fullback and I was disappointed that Hazard and De Bruyne weren't able to exploit those areas more. It looked very promising early on for them.

Set pieces, set pieces, set pieces.


Kante is so technically sound when it comes positioning and stopping the ball. If this was hockey - he'd be Scott Stevens. A rare talent, who always seems to be where he needs to be.
RE: RE: That was really good from France  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14010140 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 14010134 Go Terps said:


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Kante is entering the exalted Makelele territory as a defensive midfielder. What a force...and in combination with the Varane/Umtiti combo that is tough to beat.

That said, France is weak at fullback and I was disappointed that Hazard and De Bruyne weren't able to exploit those areas more. It looked very promising early on for them.

Set pieces, set pieces, set pieces.



I don't think Martinez set them up for success. They should have been playing Hazard and Mertens into those spaces out wide, where, as you said, Pavard and Hernandez could be exposed, but he instead played with basically 4 holding midfielders.

Chadli went 1-11 for crosses into the box. I wonder what would have happened if that was a natural left winger.


FWIW, if I had to bet today, I would put money on Martinez becoming the next USMNT coach.
Jon in NYC  
Go Terps : 7/10/2018 5:08 pm : link
That would be wonderful.

Why have they taken so long? In the time since Arena left teams have qualified for the World Cup, competed in the World Cup, and hired a new manager since (Spain has already hired Luis Enrique).

It's been an entire human gestation period since Arena left. What the fuck.
RE: Jon in NYC  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2018 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14010153 Go Terps said:
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That would be wonderful.

Why have they taken so long? In the time since Arena left teams have qualified for the World Cup, competed in the World Cup, and hired a new manager since (Spain has already hired Luis Enrique).

It's been an entire human gestation period since Arena left. What the fuck.


This whole GM process has really slowed things down. Fortunately they got the right guy with Ernie Stewart. But yeah, I'm not sure why it's taken so long, unless they are targeting someone still in the WC.
GT  
ColHowPepper : 7/10/2018 5:29 pm : link
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That said, France is weak at fullback and I was disappointed that Hazard and De Bruyne weren't able to exploit those areas more. It looked very promising early on for them....
I mentioned at end of 45 that Hazard was just abusing Pavard, and said Duchamps needed to figure it out, because Pavard was leaving his jock on the pitch, several runs in a row. And then...it just stopped. As far as I could tell, Hazard shifted mostly toward the center of the pitch, I didn't see whether Kanté was cheating to deny him space on the left flank.

That said, I thought Hazard has a really strong game in both roles. Lukaku seemed lost, without possession if he were hold-up and not playing in space in any counter attacking role. DeBruyne was rendered irrelevant for the most part. In 2H Belgium played to French defensive strength after going wide most of 1H.

[Link to the dissection piece of USSF and its managerial disasters?]
RE: RE: Jon in NYC  
Tim in Capital City : 7/10/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14010164 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 14010153 Go Terps said:


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That would be wonderful.

Why have they taken so long? In the time since Arena left teams have qualified for the World Cup, competed in the World Cup, and hired a new manager since (Spain has already hired Luis Enrique).

It's been an entire human gestation period since Arena left. What the fuck.



This whole GM process has really slowed things down. Fortunately they got the right guy with Ernie Stewart. But yeah, I'm not sure why it's taken so long, unless they are targeting someone still in the WC.


Or they’re allowing Berhalter to finish the season with Columbus.
RE: GT  
jdf : 7/10/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14010167 ColHowPepper said:
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[Link to the dissection piece of USSF and its managerial disasters?]


Is this the piece you were looking for, in The Ringer?
Own Goal - ( New Window )
jdf, yes, thank you!  
ColHowPepper : 7/11/2018 7:32 am : link
Appreciate your tracking it down, well written and researched piece. On to the Brits and Croats today.
Somebody pointed out online that for Belgium  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/11/2018 8:08 am : link
it turns out that Mounieur ended up being their most essential player. No width, no service with him on suspension. France got a real break not having to worry about him, just like they caught a break with the Cavani injury.
This has been..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2018 8:26 am : link
my feeling:

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This whole GM process has really slowed things down. Fortunately they got the right guy with Ernie Stewart. But yeah, I'm not sure why it's taken so long, unless they are targeting someone still in the WC.


Maybe not somebody still in the WC, but somebody who coached in the World Cup and they are waiting for it to finish before announcing a hiring.
RE: RE: RE: Jon in NYC  
Jon in NYC : 7/11/2018 8:27 am : link
In comment 14010271 Tim in Capital City said:
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In comment 14010153 Go Terps said:


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That would be wonderful.

Why have they taken so long? In the time since Arena left teams have qualified for the World Cup, competed in the World Cup, and hired a new manager since (Spain has already hired Luis Enrique).

It's been an entire human gestation period since Arena left. What the fuck.



This whole GM process has really slowed things down. Fortunately they got the right guy with Ernie Stewart. But yeah, I'm not sure why it's taken so long, unless they are targeting someone still in the WC.



Or they’re allowing Berhalter to finish the season with Columbus.


This is another good point.
I watch a ton of soccer  
Essex : 7/11/2018 9:46 am : link
more PL than any other league, but what France did in the last 15-20 minutes of the game last night was disgraceful. I understand the art of stalling, but their was not art in their attempts to do it yesterday. It was just frankly terrible for the sport on such a big stage and the ref should have done more to stop it. I think the 6 minutes stoppage time was a result of that crap and then during stoppage time I would have added 2 more minutes at least if I was the ref. France is also beatable. I actually think England or Croatia could, but probably won't, do it. Modric would give France fits and I think England's midfield would expose the soft underbelly of France. Anwyay, I will not be rooting for them in the final after that display of garbage at the end of the game. Rant over.
Berhalter  
ColHowPepper : 7/11/2018 9:54 am : link
I'm not learned about MSL rosters, let alone managers, but as to the process dragging on, maybe relevant to point out that there's a new guy at the top. As we've seen with the last two USMNT managers, problems abound above and behind them. I have zero sense of Cordeiro either, but there is a lot to be put in order both before and after a hiring is announced.
Cordeiro  
Tim in Capital City : 7/11/2018 10:53 am : link
Doesn’t know a thing about soccer. He ran as a business guy, and the powers that be liked that they could continue to get rich with little transparency. He was the status quo pick, basically. Earnie Stewart is the guy picking the next coach. I wouldn’t be upset with Berhalter. He smart as hell, a hard worker, a student of the game, and adaptable. I also wouldn’t be upset with Juan Carlos Osorio

One thing that could work against Berhalter, is that his brother Jay is third in command of US Soccer, and would probably be second in command if Dan Flynn retires. I guess that could help Gregg??
^ such uplifting thoughts lol  
ColHowPepper : 7/11/2018 11:01 am : link
USSF realities same as FIFA's, why should I be surprised, and a Giant Squid (GS) alum to boot. Osorio would be a hoot: he took such heat early on, but I liked Mexico's tournament, guys on the pitch all seemed on the same page, couldn't stay with BR
Kante  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 11:49 am : link
Rumors in Spain that both Real Madrid and PSG are targeting him. Barcelona too, but less likely.
RE: Kante  
Jon in NYC : 7/11/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 14010770 Go Terps said:
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Rumors in Spain that both Real Madrid and PSG are targeting him. Barcelona too, but less likely.


This would be a smart and winning move.
Chelsea would be insane to let him leave  
wigs in nyc : 7/11/2018 12:25 pm : link
would pave the way for Courtois and Hazard also to depart, both of whom are in need of contract-extensions.
France over Belgium  
cosmicj : 7/11/2018 12:40 pm : link
I agree that Martinez made a lineup error in the 2nd half and probably should have put in Mertens earlier BUT these victories so much depend on performance at key seconds in the match:

That awesome save by Lloris on the Alderweireld shot in the first half really should have been a goal. Also, that cross by DeBruyne in the first half that Umtiti foiled was going straight to Lukaku for an easy goal. If Belgium scores on those opportunities - and they should have on both - they probably go on to win.

Whether the coach lineup decisions look smart or dumb really depends on these key moments. In fact, the biggest lineup mistake I saw was to start Giroud and France won the game anyway. The Giroud we saw in the World Cup was exactly the Giroud I see in the Premier league. He's always screwing up and failing to put shots on target. That's his MO. You know how Ronaldo has an instinct for the net? Well, Giroud has an anti-instinct. He's always wide.

Two terrific teams played their hearts out. France was slightly luckier and won 1-0. Let's not cast aspersions on the players or the coaches, most of whom were absolutely excellent and gave us a wonderful game.
RE: Chelsea would be insane to let him leave  
Kyle in NY : 7/11/2018 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14010806 wigs in nyc said:
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would pave the way for Courtois and Hazard also to depart, both of whom are in need of contract-extensions.


Unless Kanté wants the move, Chelsea won’t let him go at any price. Though I agree all these teams should be targeting him. He’s fantastic

Looks like Chelsea has snaked Man City’s deal for Napoli’s Jorginho. Perfect player to pair with Kanté. Along with Sarrin coming in to manage, hopefully that convinces Hazard, Kanté, and the rest to stay
cosmicj  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 1:05 pm : link
I agree...lots and lots of quality on display yesterday. Martinez said it himself afterwards - Belgium lost because of one detail. That's what makes this the best tournament in the world in any sport, and the hardest to win - 4 years of preparation and work can be undone by a single moment. And in these elimination matches the margins are so small.

It's why I think today's winner is going to have a tough time with France on Sunday. France's "problem preventers" - Kante, Varane, Umtiti, and Lloris - are all excellent and all in great form. They have conceded 4 goals in 6 matches...but 3 of those goals came in the Argentina match. It just seems like any goal they concede on Sunday will have to come at an enormous cost of work, because they aren't going to gift anything.

So who has the better chance? Croatia has the genius in Modric, but England looks better equipped to attack the flanks and their system will be quite different from what France has faced to this point.
one flick on header  
UESBLUE : 7/11/2018 1:07 pm : link
sep those two teams yesterday. Today I like England 2-1. Have a mtg tho so will have to dvr. :(
Crotia's midfield is a dream  
Nitro : 7/11/2018 1:07 pm : link
but for all the versatility Manzudic offers, he's not that differential tier of player - further, any team with Lovren as a centerback is ripe for exploitation. I like England in this one!
Curious to see  
Kyle in NY : 7/11/2018 1:29 pm : link
if Croatia having a much more strenuous quarterfinal has an effect today.

I think England moves on to the final. Could see Sterling getting on the score sheet today. He should have had a few against Sweden.
8 years ago today  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 1:56 pm : link


Where does the fucking time go?
Another set piece..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2018 2:06 pm : link
and goal from a free kick.

Excellent shot!
wow  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/11/2018 2:07 pm : link
nice strike
Should've been a corner  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 2:19 pm : link
...
this game will come down to the wire  
RasputinPrime : 7/11/2018 2:23 pm : link
Sterling playing much better today.
I feel like this Turkish guy  
giantBCP : 7/11/2018 2:34 pm : link
is the refs that FIFA/UEFA call in whenever they want to fix a match.
That should've been a card.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 2:41 pm : link
Exceedingly blatant.
England so well drilled  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 3:15 pm : link
Set pieces, and second balls off set pieces...they look dangerous every time.
Gorgeous goal  
jlukes : 7/11/2018 3:26 pm : link
.
Sterling looks  
jestersdead : 7/11/2018 3:26 pm : link
uncomfortable with the ball in the box
Perisic  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 3:27 pm : link
Wow. I wonder if that should have been called a dangerous play, and Perisic's immediate reaction seemed to indicate he thought it might be.

Wow.
It's funny that it was Perisic to score against them  
giantBCP : 7/11/2018 3:27 pm : link
He was player that Manchester United wanted to sign, but was too cheap to give up what Inter wanted for him.
RE: Sterling looks  
Go Terps : 7/11/2018 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14011022 jestersdead said:
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uncomfortable with the ball in the box


It's a shame because his movement is fantastic.
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