according to nj.com...
"Jonathan Stewart
2017 Stats: 198 carries for 680 yards and 6 touchdowns with 8 catches for 52 yards and 1 touchdown.
It is entirely fair to question how much Jonathan Stewart has left in the tank, after he averaged a career-low 3.4 yards per carry with the Carolina Panthers last season. Nevertheless, general manager Dave Gettleman and the Giants signed Stewart to a two-year $6.8 million deal that includes $3.45 million guaranteed. This spring,
Stewart looked more like a plodding veteran running back trying to hang on, than a back capable of shouldering a significant workload. If nothing else, Stewart should provide steady veteran leadership in a locker room that is in desperate need of it."
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I get the “mentoring” and goal line stuff but you can get that for a lot cheaper.
Oh well, at least Gettleman’s bad signings haven’t really broken the budget (Stewart and Herzlich).
God forbid Eli, OBJ or some other so called “elite” positional player actually shows some in-your-face character on that Offense to be a true character/leader. Nope, we have to go buy it from the local retirement home.
Short yardage back concerns in 2018...are you kidding me? That is like Issue #76 on the list of things to worry about for a 3-13 team.
Stewart will be the first guy jettisoned next year if not sooner if this team struggles.
Easily will be DGs least-finest moment...
An example of what not to do
He did score 5/6 TDs within 5 yards, so he showed he could punch it in. I'm just not sure that's worth the guaranteed money.
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signed for the exact same money 2/6.8 million
I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that Giants are better off with JS than RC.
Ross Cockrell makes us a better team? Stewart at least fills a need we've sorely been lacking - a goal line/short yardage runner.
Exactly what role does Cockrell fill? 4th or 5th CB??
It wasn't until the 'wait, HOW MUCH?' moment that it all fell apart.
Between having a weak Offensive Line and a QB that is absolutely no threat to sneak, no sure we should blame the short-yardage conversions issues on our previous RBs.
Nevertheless, if Stewart has any value on the field it better come here...
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signed for the exact same money 2/6.8 million
I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that Giants are better off with JS than RC.
Ross Cockrell makes us a better team? Stewart at least fills a need we've sorely been lacking - a goal line/short yardage runner.
Exactly what role does Cockrell fill? 4th or 5th CB??
Where's this confidence coming from in this group of Corners. Even if you think Grant Haley is going to set the world on fire, what happens when someone gets hurt? Cockrell was a very good player. I think you're tremendously overstating the value of a "goal line back".
They might have overpaid for Stewart by a bit, but it's not a crazy contract. Blount got 2 mill fully guar by the Lions. You guys are quibbling over 1.5 mill extra in guaranteed money. I'd rather have Stewart being the vet leader and mentor for Barkley than Blount. And that difference might be worth the extra mill.
Stewart was the move I liked the least this offseason, but it's not really going to be that prohibitive or suffocate the team. I think Gettleman had a pretty good idea he was going to draft Barkley when Stewart was signed and I think he wanted Stewart here to really guide Barkley from day 1 and be a positive influence on him. Beyond that, we also could use a short yardage guy.
It's a slow time and there's not much to talk about, so stuff like this gets blown out of proportion.
Stewart isn't going to move the needle that much one way or another - but given what we're going to be putting on Barkley's plate and will expect him to do here over the next few years, I don't hate having a guy in the locker room like Stewart for him to learn from.
It is what it is.
He's a mediocre player who I'm sure is replaceable by most scrap heap guys.
Hell, Stewart could be put in that category as well.
At least Stewart fills a role we've been consistently poor at.
Wake up and enter the year 2018 in the NFL...
Overvaluing guys who leave this team and then do jackshit elsewhere is a time honored tradition.
But yeah, I'll wake up....
Wake up and enter the year 2018 in the NFL...
Pretty sure it actually depends on the CB...
I would probably be plodding too. Whats the incentive for him to bust a gut in OTA's?
Unfortunately these are the types of decisions the GM is making on a very bad team. Ross Cockrell, William Gay, Jonathan Stewart -- these aren't the type of players a good team is counting on to make substantive contributions.
According to whom?
Overvaluing guys who leave this team and then do jackshit elsewhere is a time honored tradition.
To be fair, so is undervaluing anyone and anything associated with a team that had a bad year.
Stewart will be a short yardage back and a goal line back. That's his ceiling.
I'd rather have a proven player in an area of weakness than a guy who basically has players all around the league with his similar skill set.
We're talking about "goal line back" as if we didn't just spend the second overall pick on what is supposed to be a once in a decade, doesn't come off the field RB. I'm not sure where the idea came from that that's a real need.
Overvaluing guys who leave this team and then do jackshit elsewhere is a time honored tradition.
But yeah, I'll wake up....
Yeah you should. I am not overvaluing Cockrell at all. Just properly valuing the de minimus value Stewart brings.
The Fridge played goal line RB too as a hobby...
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Wake up and enter the year 2018 in the NFL...
Pretty sure it actually depends on the CB...
are you sure it also doesn't depend on the 31 year old RB who had no where to go other than his couch this season...
The Fridge was also a goal line back for a Super Bowl team with a HoF RB.
If you don't see a value in converting short yardage over carrying a 4th or 5th DB whose skill set is similar to many, many players, I don't know what to tell you.
Of course, one of the major complaints about the offense in recent years was the lack of converting short yardage. We take a step to fix that and it is crapped on.
Typical.
Especially if (albeit indirectly) it takes away resources that could be invested in better depth.
I bet if we ponied up that salary for a CB, the same suspects would be bitching up a storm that we overpaid a 4th and 5th CB when we could've spent the resources elsewhere.
It's a neverending circle of ridiculousness.
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Wake up and enter the year 2018 in the NFL...
Pretty sure it actually depends on the CB...
are you sure it also doesn't depend on the 31 year old RB who had no where to go other than his couch this season...
Sure, but just saying a CB is more valuable than a short-yardage RB is pointless. It means nothing unless you attribute actual players to the positions.
If it's Cockrell and Stewart, sure, I'd probably just rather have Cockrell based on the way the team is built and what our needs are.
But a CB isn't always more valuable. That part doesn't really make sense.
I find it absolutely fascinating that a supposed grown man is this obsessed by harmless comments by the GM simply because he didn’t want that player? Wtf is wrong with you? I’ll bet you’ve brought up the hand of God comments 50 times or more since they were said. Because it’s your way of throwing a hissy fit for not drafting who you wanted. You are an embarrassment when you don’t get your way. It’s incredible. You seem like a somewhat intelligent guys so I’m shocked that you decide to go about things the way you do when you don’t get your way. You must have been a real treasure as a child...
Now we get to spend the rest of Barkley’s career reading your infantile tantrums on every thread. Lucky us!
It just seems like an neverending circle of ridiculousness on here...
But you could be right...
Any time you have such a wide array of people in different age brackets behind a curtain of anonymity, this is pretty much what you get.
Of course, this includes some extremes. People who won't be happy unless the Giants go 16-0 or people who won't criticize anything the team does no matter how bad it gets.
But if we all always agreed, this place would be pretty dull.
well, onto the next thread...
Its because there isn't a glut...it wasn't a well thought out comment.
Almost everytime one of our reserve CBs has had to come into a game over the past several years, its like they have a "bulls-eye" on their backs. Serviceable is not what I have seen. Cockrell was one of the few that stepped up...
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Bolt/NFL-Free-Agency-Ross-Cockrell-signs-with-the-Carolina-Panthers-116595803/
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Bolt/NFL-Free-Agency-Ross-Cockrell-signs-with-the-Carolina-Panthers-116595803/
To be fair, 247 is not a very reputable news source. I’m not saying they are wrong in this case, but my guess is that knowing the source, that’s pure speculation on their part