Stewart was "plodding" during the offseason...

I doubt Ross Cockrell will ever be anything more than a nickel back and there are countless other players who will match his production. He was a lot like Fluker - a guy who played decent on a bad team and people project him to be very good

Overvaluing guys who leave this team and then do jackshit elsewhere is a time honored tradition.

But yeah, I'll wake up....

In comment 14011416 Jimmy Googs said:

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are on equal grounds. Wake up and enter the year 2018 in the NFL...

Pretty sure it actually depends on the CB...

Jonathan Stewart is 31 years old. He's an old, established 10 year veteran whose role is clearly defined, and who doesn't need to come in and prove anything to anyone.

I would probably be plodding too. Whats the incentive for him to bust a gut in OTA's?

Cockrell is orders of magnitude better than the ghost of William Gay. If there was a scrap heap of guys as good as Cockrell I would have certainly grabbed one of them. Instead they have a 33-year-old who was a back-up safety as the third corner going into camp.

Unfortunately these are the types of decisions the GM is making on a very bad team. Ross Cockrell, William Gay, Jonathan Stewart -- these aren't the type of players a good team is counting on to make substantive contributions.

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wasn't even considered solid.

According to whom?

In comment 14011466 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Overvaluing guys who leave this team and then do jackshit elsewhere is a time honored tradition.

To be fair, so is undervaluing anyone and anything associated with a team that had a bad year.

Cockrell will be a backup CB and a nickel CB. That's likely his ceiling

Stewart will be a short yardage back and a goal line back. That's his ceiling.

I'd rather have a proven player in an area of weakness than a guy who basically has players all around the league with his similar skill set.

Into 2 years $6m. So that's pretty solid. And the idea that decent or better at that position is easy to find is one example of undervaluing.

We're talking about "goal line back" as if we didn't just spend the second overall pick on what is supposed to be a once in a decade, doesn't come off the field RB. I'm not sure where the idea came from that that's a real need.

In comment 14011466 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I doubt Ross Cockrell will ever be anything more than a nickel back and there are countless other players who will match his production. He was a lot like Fluker - a guy who played decent on a bad team and people project him to be very good Overvaluing guys who leave this team and then do jackshit elsewhere is a time honored tradition. But yeah, I'll wake up....

Yeah you should. I am not overvaluing Cockrell at all. Just properly valuing the de minimus value Stewart brings.

The Fridge played goal line RB too as a hobby...

In comment 14011469 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14011416 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: are on equal grounds. Wake up and enter the year 2018 in the NFL... Pretty sure it actually depends on the CB...

are you sure it also doesn't depend on the 31 year old RB who had no where to go other than his couch this season...

great comparison.

The Fridge was also a goal line back for a Super Bowl team with a HoF RB.

If you don't see a value in converting short yardage over carrying a 4th or 5th DB whose skill set is similar to many, many players, I don't know what to tell you.

Of course, one of the major complaints about the offense in recent years was the lack of converting short yardage. We take a step to fix that and it is crapped on.

Typical.

Getting a short yardage RB isn't a problem on its face. Signing Stewart, to be a one-trick pony, for what they did is.

Especially if (albeit indirectly) it takes away resources that could be invested in better depth.

speak so definitively that Stewart is going to suck this year I'm tempted to ask what the Mega Millions numbers will be next week.

that stewart will suck, but that we'd spend the same amount on a 4th or 5th CB and that would be dandy.

I bet if we ponied up that salary for a CB, the same suspects would be bitching up a storm that we overpaid a 4th and 5th CB when we could've spent the resources elsewhere.

It's a neverending circle of ridiculousness.

The hand of God will clear the way for Barkley in any short yardage situation.

In comment 14012284 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14011469 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14011416 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: are on equal grounds. Wake up and enter the year 2018 in the NFL... Pretty sure it actually depends on the CB... are you sure it also doesn't depend on the 31 year old RB who had no where to go other than his couch this season...

Sure, but just saying a CB is more valuable than a short-yardage RB is pointless. It means nothing unless you attribute actual players to the positions.

If it's Cockrell and Stewart, sure, I'd probably just rather have Cockrell based on the way the team is built and what our needs are.

But a CB isn't always more valuable. That part doesn't really make sense.

was being discussed, and it was meant to cover every possible comparative like Jim Brown vs Trevin Wade...

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The hand of God will clear the way for Barkley in any short yardage situation.

I find it absolutely fascinating that a supposed grown man is this obsessed by harmless comments by the GM simply because he didn’t want that player? Wtf is wrong with you? I’ll bet you’ve brought up the hand of God comments 50 times or more since they were said. Because it’s your way of throwing a hissy fit for not drafting who you wanted. You are an embarrassment when you don’t get your way. It’s incredible. You seem like a somewhat intelligent guys so I’m shocked that you decide to go about things the way you do when you don’t get your way. You must have been a real treasure as a child...

Now we get to spend the rest of Barkley’s career reading your infantile tantrums on every thread. Lucky us!

others criticizing, some hopeful, others clueless, some uniformed, and even others sarcastic.

It just seems like an neverending circle of ridiculousness on here...

Actually, just sounds like a pretty standard sports message board to me...

I don't know, just seems so odd...all these Giant fans that have such range of views and opinions in their respective posts. Its almost like we all think differently for some reason.

But you could be right...

That's sports fandom for ya...

Any time you have such a wide array of people in different age brackets behind a curtain of anonymity, this is pretty much what you get.

Of course, this includes some extremes. People who won't be happy unless the Giants go 16-0 or people who won't criticize anything the team does no matter how bad it gets.

But if we all always agreed, this place would be pretty dull.

Just like its probably okay for some posters to really dislike monies allocated as they were for a guy like Stewart, and others to feel like a short-yardage good locker-room RB like him was worth the value. And hell...maybe even for other posters to show less-conviction either way and let it play out.

well, onto the next thread...

If there are a glut of serviceable 3rd, 4th and 5th CBs on the market, I'm very confused why William Gay is on this roster. I suspect the Giants secondary is going to be very, very bad this year.

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If there are a glut of serviceable 3rd, 4th and 5th CBs on the market, I'm very confused why William Gay is on this roster. I suspect the Giants secondary is going to be very, very bad this year.

Its because there isn't a glut...it wasn't a well thought out comment.

Almost everytime one of our reserve CBs has had to come into a game over the past several years, its like they have a "bulls-eye" on their backs. Serviceable is not what I have seen. Cockrell was one of the few that stepped up...

that the Giants didn’t offer Cockrell a contract? I’m not saying they did or didn’t, I have no idea. But is it possible that they did and he just didn’t want to be here? He seen first hand the dysfunction and losing last year and maybe he made the decision to move on. Could you blame him? Is it possible all of this complaining is unwarranted?

defense we are creating so he was expendable and let go to the Panthers. Good news though is we snatched their goal-line RB from before he was able to retire to his couch...


https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Bolt/NFL-Free-Agency-Ross-Cockrell-signs-with-the-Carolina-Panthers-116595803/

In comment 14013029 Jimmy Googs said:

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defense we are creating so he was expendable and let go to the Panthers. Good news though is we snatched their goal-line RB from before he was able to retire to his couch... https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Bolt/NFL-Free-Agency-Ross-Cockrell-signs-with-the-Carolina-Panthers-116595803/

To be fair, 247 is not a very reputable news source. I’m not saying they are wrong in this case, but my guess is that knowing the source, that’s pure speculation on their part

listed when I googled it so I posted it.

HE was brought in here to plod and smash his way to 6-10 tds and provide leadership.