Not to overstate the importance of this one particular game, but Id argue that whether or not NYY add a pitcher, the performance of Tanaka from here out is the biggest determinant of how far this team can go.
Not to overstate the importance of this one particular game, but Id argue that whether or not NYY add a pitcher, the performance of Tanaka from here out is the biggest determinant of how far this team can go.
I think that's fair. He and CC are the biggest variables. They were studs last post season. The offense should be better this time around, with Castro replaced by Torres and Headley/Frazier replaced by Andujar. Not to mention the addition of Stanton (who everyone should vote for btw).
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Yanks have J.A. Happ near the top of their realistic rotation trade options (they dont see degrom or Thor as especially realistic) but to this point have found the asking price on Happ high
for regular season wins. I get that we want to win the division but Happ isnt even good enough to make me feel good about that.
YOu'd rather bank on Gray to turn it around?
Im assuming that frazier would be in this deal and if thats the case my answer would be no. Im enjoying this team and thats because of the young kids. Adding a career 4 ERA pitcher whos around 4.5 ERA for the season while giving up a piece of the future seems ludicrous to me. We can get Happs likely production elsewhere.
The alternative to not adding a SP is more SOnny Gray. He's likely the least popular guy on the team right now. PErsonally, I'm against any trade involving any prospect whose name I know. I expect we can get the help we need without any big names coming up. We're looking for bottom of the rotation help, not trades that would involve Frazier.
I agree re: Sheffield - I think I'd rather see what he's got before spending any chips on rentals/back end starters like Happ.
I'm a little wary of the walks, but the 2.53 ERA in SWB is good to see. Worst case, he might be able to give us a good lefty reliever out of the pen down the stretch.
is going to hold out for the best possible value but I can't see him not making a significant move for a SP. We won't be able to compete with Houston without 3 starters we can trust. At the moment we have 1.
There's no way he'd be the piece moved in a Happ trade.
It came from him being the next in line after Torres and Andujar of guys everyone will include in their starting offer packages. Why wouldnt the Blue Jays ask for him?
Happs fine for a mid or couple low level prospects but no thanks on anything more than that.
is going to hold out for the best possible value but I can't see him not making a significant move for a SP. We won't be able to compete with Houston without 3 starters we can trust. At the moment we have 1.
Well I can only speak for myself but I definitely trust CC and Tanaka come playoff time. Would I like to have a DeGrom or Bumgarner ahead of them? Sure but I don't see them being realistic available options.
I'd be happy with Haap or Hamels to get us through the rest of the regular season. Neither has great numbers but both have some pluses IMO. Haap has good numbers vs the Sox and we have ten games left with them, and Hamels has been there, so the bright lights shouldn't bother him like they do Sonny.
It's possible Cash has his eye on someone else totally off the radar and it wouldn't surprise me if he made a move like that. To quote our football threads....in Cash we trust.
11 up, 11 down against a guy with the 4th worst WHIP of any starter
The runner knocked the ball out. He's out of the line too. Wtf...
No question about that. To me that's where the home plate ump has to help the 1st base ump. The 1st base guys are trained to watch the bag for the runners foot and listen for the ball hitting the glove. No way he can watch the baseline and a runner making contact with a glove when he's watching the base and feet.
The Home plate ump is responsible for fair and foul balls until it reaches the base, so you'd think he'd be responsible for base runners out of the base line or making contact with a 1B glove.
The runner knocked the ball out. He's out of the line too. Wtf...
No question about that. To me that's where the home plate ump has to help the 1st base ump. The 1st base guys are trained to watch the bag for the runners foot and listen for the ball hitting the glove. No way he can watch the baseline and a runner making contact with a glove when he's watching the base and feet.
The Home plate ump is responsible for fair and foul balls until it reaches the base, so you'd think he'd be responsible for base runners out of the base line or making contact with a 1B glove.
Yep home plate umps are taught to get out from behind the plate on a play at first like that to help out in case there's a tag play there
The runner knocked the ball out. He's out of the line too. Wtf...
No question about that. To me that's where the home plate ump has to help the 1st base ump. The 1st base guys are trained to watch the bag for the runners foot and listen for the ball hitting the glove. No way he can watch the baseline and a runner making contact with a glove when he's watching the base and feet.
The Home plate ump is responsible for fair and foul balls until it reaches the base, so you'd think he'd be responsible for base runners out of the base line or making contact with a 1B glove.
Yep home plate umps are taught to get out from behind the plate on a play at first like that to help out in case there's a tag play there
Yeah and if he did he clearly missed it. Much like he's missing low balls out of the strike zone. At least Boone is letting him hear about those tonight. Nice field mics on the YES broadcast
I mean between Flash and Kenny what do they have 25 years in the majors? The rule is simple. You have to be in the act of taking the ball out of your glove for it to be a catch. Doesn't matter if you run 10 steps.
Bird is frustrating but I still would be willing to stick it out with him for a while - I think patience will be rewarded. Just let him keep playing. He'll find his groove. There was a time when the org was higher on Bird than Judge. I think they still are bullish on him and really do believe he'll come around. If he can stay healthy, I think he will too.
To get some length and save the pen but its just not working out. They're out of gas.
That's fine being the plan, and in a perfect scenario is a smart move but he's got to recognize when that plan isn't gonna work and go to plan B sooner than he has been.
Take tonight for instance, did Tanaka throwing a couple of extra pitches to get to 80 really mean all that much? Definitely not a good enough reason to keep Holder from just starting the 5th inning IMO.
Is Boone trying to save guys because Gray is pitching tomorrow? Once again you have a lead, a win is there for the taking and you try and be a bit too cute.
Boone is certainly no Giradi when it comes to knowing how best to use a pitching staff.
when people say it's too close. On replay you could see that it was close, but that he was safe. If you on replay can see that he's safe, it shouldn't matter that it's really close. Safe is safe.
I just don't understand what they're looking at. His hand was in there before he was tagged. What the fuck is the point of replay if you're not going to fix a bang-bang call like that?
Like, that's the exact play replay exists for in the first place. To make sure a really close play is called correctly. If they're not going to call it correctly, there's no point in having replay.
when people say it's too close. On replay you could see that it was close, but that he was safe. If you on replay can see that he's safe, it shouldn't matter that it's really close. Safe is safe.
Mook I didn't mean they shouldn't overturn it I meant I knew they wouldn't. Over course they should have. Unfortunately thats what they do now
losing to this pitiful team as much as they have is going to cost them the division.
Another reason not to do anything stupid at the deadline, because of their shit play against this garbage team they are going to wind up in 1 game playoff.
All night tonight and yesterday too right before the 3 run hr. Meanwhile Davis was a hoover vacuum down there turning dp's. When we're playing the fucking WC game and then opening the DS in Cleveland remember these O's games.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
Not if they don't get pitching and someone competent needs to be playing first
the way it's looking right now, one arm in a trade won't be enough. What happens with Cleveland is going to be a factor in what we do at the deadline. We can't have guys struggling to get to the 5th inning. I just hope we don't fall into a panic situation.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
Not if they don't get pitching and someone competent needs to be playing first
We could definitely use another starter but c'mon needing a competent 1B. Bird is a damn good 1B but misplayed that hit to end the game. It sucks but it happens. Doesn't mean he's incompetent there.
This teams pitching is their weakness. Your suppose to win the easy games and this team can't even do that. Btw, Redsox pitching is not that much better, they do have a bit better BP, but Cora is doing an great job and is somehow getting them to perform better then they have in the past.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
This.
The Sox will cool at some point, Yanks will heat up, and it'll come down to H2H games.
Red Sox starting pitching is significantly better.
Sale and Sevy cancel each other out, and the Sox are stronger 2-5. They have the two best hitters in either lineup, too. They're 3.5 games up because they're the better team, at least through 90 games. We have time to change it, but we need to get healthy and get our shit together quickly.
RE: 1b play has absolutely fucking killed us this series
Better get their shit together and start beating these terrible teams. No excuses. Enough is enough now. They play better against good teams but lose games to crap its so frustrating. They are 4-5 against Baltimore Boston is 9-1. Also they have a rough patch coming up. Sonny Gray tomorrow and 4 games in Cleveland to end the first half Yankees will be facing Kluber. Bieber. Clevenger and Bauer not going to be easy then after the break they have series against the mets.im sure Degrom will start game 1 then series vs rays royals and orioles to end July they have to beat those teams. Everyone says Boston has a easy schedule so do the Yankees. But what good will it be if we can beat the bad teams and they better becarful
Because Seattle is for real and could pass them for the first wild card spot and even Oakland is playing great ball. They As actually have a better record then the Indians.
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Relax.
Thanks for the history lesson but this isn't every season. This is like '93 Braves-Giants. It may take 105 wins to win the division. We can't afford to be dropping games to a team that literally has 26 wins on the season in July. We're not running into Boston and sweeping them. Chances are we split the games we have left with them or go at best 6-4. They are absolutely cleaning up on the awful teams they are 30-8 vs. Bal/KC/Det/TB/Tex and 7-1 vs. the NL. Sure we'll get on a streak again like May/June at some point and make up ground, but that will only get us even or close to it and then we'll fall back just like the past year and a half. Thats how it works. Yea "wake me in October"- another asinine comment from Stan the ass. When you wake up we're liable to be facing The Mariners and James Paxton in a 1 game playoff. Can we go on a run like last year? of course we can, this is a really good team but that's a tough road to try and navigate every year.
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Relax.
The Yankees have not won a division title since 2012 sorry not gonna relax when they lose to a team that has won only 8 games since the end of May. I saw a stat how the yanks have lost 22 games to teams with losing records this year. Your not going to win every gme against bad teams but that is poor and might cost them the division.
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Relax.
Thanks for the history lesson but this isn't every season. This is like '93 Braves-Giants. It may take 105 wins to win the division. We can't afford to be dropping games to a team that literally has 26 wins on the season in July. We're not running into Boston and sweeping them. Chances are we split the games we have left with them or go at best 6-4. They are absolutely cleaning up on the awful teams they are 30-8 vs. Bal/KC/Det/TB/Tex and 7-1 vs. the NL. Sure we'll get on a streak again like May/June at some point and make up ground, but that will only get us even or close to it and then we'll fall back just like the past year and a half. Thats how it works. Yea "wake me in October"- another asinine comment from Stan the ass. When you wake up we're liable to be facing The Mariners and James Paxton in a 1 game playoff. Can we go on a run like last year? of course we can, this is a really good team but that's a tough road to try and navigate every year.
Stu you nailed it here. This is not last year where the second wild card teams we under .500 up until September. The twins were sellers at the deadline last year they traded us Jamie Garcia and traded their best reliever Kintzler to the nationals at the deadline the Yankees wont have a patsy twin team in the wild card game and a scared rabbit like Ervin Santana throwing. Its more then likely going to be Seattle or maybe even Houston you never know. And their is no given the game will be plyed at Yankee stadium either. I said last night yanks better becarful here and take care of business against these awful teams.
The Yankees are the third best team in baseball behind the Astros and the Red Sox and have been all season. It'll come down to who gets a few better bounces in close games and who wins the 11 remaining head-to-head clashes.
It hurts to lose so many games to such a bad team, but that's baseball. It's fluky from game to game.
can be spewed by the same people. If you never checked the standings or watched the games, just reading their posts would make you think this is a struggling .500 team.
People are placing WAY too much importance on winning the division. Who won the division last year? Boston. What did that get them? Taken out by the Astros in 4.
Yanks got the wild card and not only won that, but beat the Indians and took the Astros to 7 games.
If that's not enough, look at 2016. Red Sox win the division; Blue Jays got the wild card. What did that get Boston- swept in 3 by the Indians.
The Jays won the wild card game AND won the ALDS against Texas, though they lost the ALCS to the Indians in 5.
A blunt message to the "Panic Brigade"- you don't get extra points for winning the division and it doesn't guarantee advancing in the playoffs.
the difference between winning the division and winning the wild card is the difference between having home-field advantage in a best of 5 series instead of having home-field advantage for a winner-take-all game just to earn the right to go on the road for the best-of-five series.
Anything can happen in one game. The Yankees would be better than the second wild card team, perhaps significantly over the course of a season, but that can easily be neutralized facing that team's ace in one game. The better a team is, the longer they should want a series to be because it reduces the variance.
It's like saying that getting a bye in football isn't important just because some wild card teams advance further. It's always better to reduce the amount of games a team has to win.
you sort of do get extra points for winning the division. Of course it doesnt guarantee advancement in the playoffs, nobody is saying that. But avoiding the one game playoff is critically important.
The Yankees were down 3-0 before they even came to bat against the Twins. Thankfully they came back and went on a great run. But replay that scenario again and its entirely possible their season ends right there. Thats the nature of one game, anything can happen. And theyll be looking at a tougher pitching matchup this time around than they had last season.
Point is, nobody aside from a few of the usual suspects are panicking. But it is important to win the division, suggesting otherwise is foolish. And to give away games to a team with 26 total wins in July is inexcusable.
I still expect us to take the division. We have the better team in my opinion. But these losses could hurt. Pointing that out isnt spewing nonsense, or whatever
can be spewed by the same people. If you never checked the standings or watched the games, just reading their posts would make you think this is a struggling .500 team.
People are placing WAY too much importance on winning the division. Who won the division last year? Boston. What did that get them? Taken out by the Astros in 4.
Yanks got the wild card and not only won that, but beat the Indians and took the Astros to 7 games.
If that's not enough, look at 2016. Red Sox win the division; Blue Jays got the wild card. What did that get Boston- swept in 3 by the Indians.
The Jays won the wild card game AND won the ALDS against Texas, though they lost the ALCS to the Indians in 5.
A blunt message to the "Panic Brigade"- you don't get extra points for winning the division and it doesn't guarantee advancing in the playoffs.
Funny how you blast us like we know nothing and then go on to make a bunch of generalizations in your rant. Every season is different. Do you think the Indians up 2-0 on us coming off a 2nd half of the season where they never lost and coming within a hair of winning it all the year before thought they were losing 3 straight? To say who cares we can go on a run even starting in the WC game and the road throughout the playoffs just because we did it last year is silly. And by the way if game 7 is at YS last year we probably make the WS. Home field is huge for this team. We are much better at YS. Of course i'm not saying the regular season and race is over, I love this team but we damn well better stop losing to these shitty teams because Boston won't. This isn't some ordinary year.
Why do people think Boston will never hit another rough patch?
Of course they are going to fall back and we will streak, but that will tie things up. We're 1-5 in our last 6 vs. TB/Balt am I allowed to be a little pissed when Boston is like playing .900 ball vs them and we're over half way into the season?
but the race thus far has consisted of the Yankees looking up at the Red Sox in the standings a hell of a lot more than the Red Sox have looked up at the Yankees.
As far as division/Wild Card, it is pretty damn important. We survived Cleveland by the skin of our teeth last year and lost to Houston because we didn't have home field advantage. Burning Sevy in a Wild Card game and only getting him once in a five-game series puts us at a disadvantage, especially with a Verlander or Sale rested and ready for games 1 and 5. So, yeah, we have some work to do - it would help not to be five games out at the All-Star break.
I just think they have been better thus far and have a better and a better starting trio for the postseason. Plus, they have a 3.5 game lead. Is it insurmountable? Of course not. But I'd rather not be in the wild card situation.
can be spewed by the same people. If you never checked the standings or watched the games, just reading their posts would make you think this is a struggling .500 team.
People are placing WAY too much importance on winning the division. Who won the division last year? Boston. What did that get them? Taken out by the Astros in 4.
Yanks got the wild card and not only won that, but beat the Indians and took the Astros to 7 games.
If that's not enough, look at 2016. Red Sox win the division; Blue Jays got the wild card. What did that get Boston- swept in 3 by the Indians.
The Jays won the wild card game AND won the ALDS against Texas, though they lost the ALCS to the Indians in 5.
A blunt message to the "Panic Brigade"- you don't get extra points for winning the division and it doesn't guarantee advancing in the playoffs.
I agree with your general points about the hysterics being out of control considering how good this team actually is...
That said, I don't agree that people are placing too much importance on winning the division, because it's VERY important.
The play in game is a very risky proposition because all it takes is one quiet night for the bats or an off night from Sevy, and the season is over.
Hell, it just happened in 2015 against the Astros when no one could get to Keuchel.
Obviously this team is much better than that one - but still, the Yankees were 2nd in the majors in runs scored that year and got blanked in the ALWC.
Beyond that, playing in that game also forces us to burn Sevy and then even if we win, we can't use him in Game 1 of the DS which puts us behind the ball to begin with.
I'm not worried about this team losing the Red Sox at all - but I am worried about the play-in and want nothing to do with it. You don't get a "we'll get 'em tomorrow" when you lose that game. The season is over. And facing someone like Paxton probably won't be an easy proposition (I know, we crushed him a couple weeks ago... but still)
that they for some reason have been playing to the level of their competition this year. I feel better about them playing the good teams then when they are matched up against shitty teams that they should be feasting on. I don't expect them to be consistent all year, its frustrating when the Sox have found a way to be, hope that balances out more in the 2nd half for us.
I agree that homefield is huge, and I don't want to see them again as a wild card team throughout the playoffs. I think we will be alright once we start getting our guys back and healthy, If Sanchez can come back and settle in that is going to be huge. Torres too, and Bird needs to show and hold improvement. I really would like to see Sheffield come up, he is probably the move I am most looking forward to, and hope that happens sooner than later, I guess Gray's performance tonight will be a huge indicator in the timeline of that happening.
They're not going to win 100% of their non-Yankees games
as they done for a week and a half. In addition, they have 5 different guys in their lineup hitting better than they ever have in their careers (Betts, Benintendi, JD, X, Moreland). Will that last all season?
The weird thing about the Yankees is even when they had the great run, guys weren't playing at their peaks (except for possibly the rookies). There's still untapped upside the Yankees haven't reached up and down their lineup and with a few starting pitchers.
We miss Torres and Sanchez. And it was Tanaka's first start
I guess that the #1 reason we're fans. I said a month ago here the Yankees were going to lose the division because of the games they were losing to bad teams. It was not a popular opinion at the time but it was accurate.
If that happens they'll wind up in the one and done. Not ideal but winning the one and done has worked out for a few teams. The Yankees are better than most usual wild card teams and have a 10 game lead on the second wild card. Kind of makes the rest of the regular season pointless unless you care about winning the division. What else is there to care about?
Hopefully this next few weeks will not cause someone above Cashman to panic and order dumb trades. I don't think Cashman will screw things up if he has final say.
I guess that the #1 reason we're fans. I said a month ago here the Yankees were going to lose the division because of the games they were losing to bad teams. It was not a popular opinion at the time but it was accurate.
Accurate? So they've lost the division in July? Dead on as always, Randal.
If you don't like my opinions feel free anytime you would like to ignore me. I've been ignoring yours for years and will continue to.
But since it's about the time of the year. I'll make a pledge to Eric/BBI. I'll donate triple whatever you donate to this site when he runs the campaign this year if he verifies it. Maybe it will help you feel better. At least it will continue to give you an outlet to release some of your pain. Maybe other people can join the pledge and set a BBI record for donations this season.
Supposedly Baltimore is willing to send Machado here if Sheffield is a part of the package going back.
I'd pass, honestly.
I'd rather see what Sheffield can do to help us this year. Starting pitching is the biggest issue right now. Machado doesn't fix that.
Fuck that. That's like the word about Frazier being part of a package for a low level starter. Fuck that!
We can get Machado next year. I'm all for the long haul. Baseball is a marathon. Can't stress that enough. I'm glad Cashman has been playing things that way.
Supposedly Baltimore is willing to send Machado here if Sheffield is a part of the package going back.
I'd pass, honestly.
I'd rather see what Sheffield can do to help us this year. Starting pitching is the biggest issue right now. Machado doesn't fix that.
Fuck that. That's like the word about Frazier being part of a package for a low level starter. Fuck that!
We can get Machado next year. I'm all for the long haul. Baseball is a marathon. Can't stress that enough. I'm glad Cashman has been playing things that way.
Yup. If Machado wants to be a Yankee, he can sign as a FA. No way I'm dumping Sheffield+ to rent him for 3-4 months.
and gotten much better at his job. No way he willingly trades Sheffield for a rental unless Hal or Levine force him to. But he still is lousy at picking MLB pitchers. Hopefully the law of averages catches up and he can find someone to help this year for the right price. I have no complaints about the price for Gray. Obviously it hasn't gone as hoped this year with him.
RE: We miss Torres and Sanchez. And it was Tanaka's first start
since the IR. We're gonna lose some games against teams we're superior to. What can you do?
We had 3-0 and 4-2 leads Monday and lost because of CC we had 5-3 lead yesteday and the bullpen blew it. They won series against Philly Boston Atlanta and Toronto without Sanchez yes we need them but them out are not the reason we are losing to this terrible team
I get the concerns about pitching and desire to focus on that, but when you have an opportunity to get a young superstar on your team you do it.
I am not nervous about the rental aspect of this at all, Machado has been rumored for a while now to want to be in the bronx, if this deal happens i have full faith in cashman to get him signed as well. There is no way after all that they have built in the last 2-3 years they blow it all up in 1 trade for just a few months of manny.
I get the concerns about pitching and desire to focus on that, but when you have an opportunity to get a young superstar on your team you do it.
I am not nervous about the rental aspect of this at all, Machado has been rumored for a while now to want to be in the bronx, if this deal happens i have full faith in cashman to get him signed as well. There is no way after all that they have built in the last 2-3 years they blow it all up in 1 trade for just a few months of manny.
They will have the opportunity to get him in the off-season. Just offer the most money and he will be a Yankee.
It's bad business to trade top prospects for him and then also pay him 300 million.
The Yankees have themselves set up to contend for a while because they stopped doing things like trading top prospects for a guy they can wait until December and sign for just money.
I think that's fair. He and CC are the biggest variables. They were studs last post season. The offense should be better this time around, with Castro replaced by Torres and Headley/Frazier replaced by Andujar. Not to mention the addition of Stanton (who everyone should vote for btw).
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Yanks have J.A. Happ near the top of their realistic rotation trade options (they dont see degrom or Thor as especially realistic) but to this point have found the asking price on Happ high
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YOu'd rather bank on Gray to turn it around?
Rotation needed him. Hopefully he's got a good 2nd half ahead of him.
If TOR is asking for anything significant for Happ, I'd just hang up the phone. I think he'd be a nice add, but that's not a guy I'd overpay for.
I think there are going to be some lesser-mentioned guys who might emerge as better targets, but we'll see.
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for regular season wins. I get that we want to win the division but Happ isnt even good enough to make me feel good about that.
YOu'd rather bank on Gray to turn it around?
Im assuming that frazier would be in this deal and if thats the case my answer would be no. Im enjoying this team and thats because of the young kids. Adding a career 4 ERA pitcher whos around 4.5 ERA for the season while giving up a piece of the future seems ludicrous to me. We can get Happs likely production elsewhere.
Do you want another Sonny Gray?
I feel the same way. I say bring up Sheffield.
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I'm against any trade involving any prospect whose name I know.
I feel the same way. I say bring up Sheffield.
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I'm a little wary of the walks, but the 2.53 ERA in SWB is good to see. Worst case, he might be able to give us a good lefty reliever out of the pen down the stretch.
It came from him being the next in line after Torres and Andujar of guys everyone will include in their starting offer packages. Why wouldnt the Blue Jays ask for him?
Happs fine for a mid or couple low level prospects but no thanks on anything more than that.
Well I can only speak for myself but I definitely trust CC and Tanaka come playoff time. Would I like to have a DeGrom or Bumgarner ahead of them? Sure but I don't see them being realistic available options.
I'd be happy with Haap or Hamels to get us through the rest of the regular season. Neither has great numbers but both have some pluses IMO. Haap has good numbers vs the Sox and we have ten games left with them, and Hamels has been there, so the bright lights shouldn't bother him like they do Sonny.
It's possible Cash has his eye on someone else totally off the radar and it wouldn't surprise me if he made a move like that. To quote our football threads....in Cash we trust.
He's looking like Cy Young against us so far tonight.
No question about that. To me that's where the home plate ump has to help the 1st base ump. The 1st base guys are trained to watch the bag for the runners foot and listen for the ball hitting the glove. No way he can watch the baseline and a runner making contact with a glove when he's watching the base and feet.
The Home plate ump is responsible for fair and foul balls until it reaches the base, so you'd think he'd be responsible for base runners out of the base line or making contact with a 1B glove.
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The runner knocked the ball out. He's out of the line too. Wtf...
No question about that. To me that's where the home plate ump has to help the 1st base ump. The 1st base guys are trained to watch the bag for the runners foot and listen for the ball hitting the glove. No way he can watch the baseline and a runner making contact with a glove when he's watching the base and feet.
The Home plate ump is responsible for fair and foul balls until it reaches the base, so you'd think he'd be responsible for base runners out of the base line or making contact with a 1B glove.
Yep home plate umps are taught to get out from behind the plate on a play at first like that to help out in case there's a tag play there
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The runner knocked the ball out. He's out of the line too. Wtf...
No question about that. To me that's where the home plate ump has to help the 1st base ump. The 1st base guys are trained to watch the bag for the runners foot and listen for the ball hitting the glove. No way he can watch the baseline and a runner making contact with a glove when he's watching the base and feet.
The Home plate ump is responsible for fair and foul balls until it reaches the base, so you'd think he'd be responsible for base runners out of the base line or making contact with a 1B glove.
Yep home plate umps are taught to get out from behind the plate on a play at first like that to help out in case there's a tag play there
Yeah and if he did he clearly missed it. Much like he's missing low balls out of the strike zone. At least Boone is letting him hear about those tonight. Nice field mics on the YES broadcast
cue prdave in 3, 2, 1..
It's almost identical to the mistake he made yesterday.
It's almost identical to the mistake he made yesterday.
Totally agree. He was gassed after the 30 pitch 4th and does a couple of extra pitches to get him to 80 tonight really matter?
Should've went to Holder to start the inning just like he should've yesterday. I was hoping Boone would learn from that but he obviously didn't.
Probably going to need Betances and Chappy tonight.
That's fine being the plan, and in a perfect scenario is a smart move but he's got to recognize when that plan isn't gonna work and go to plan B sooner than he has been.
Take tonight for instance, did Tanaka throwing a couple of extra pitches to get to 80 really mean all that much? Definitely not a good enough reason to keep Holder from just starting the 5th inning IMO.
Cannot lose 2 of 3 to this fucking team.
Rex Grossman.
One of the most infuriating losses of all time.
5th - Holder
6th - Green
7th - Robbie
8th - Betances
9th - Chapman
Is Boone trying to save guys because Gray is pitching tomorrow? Once again you have a lead, a win is there for the taking and you try and be a bit too cute.
Boone is certainly no Giradi when it comes to knowing how best to use a pitching staff.
I'd rather just live with the human element, I can't live with them getting it wrong on replay
Mook I didn't mean they shouldn't overturn it I meant I knew they wouldn't. Over course they should have. Unfortunately thats what they do now
Another reason not to do anything stupid at the deadline, because of their shit play against this garbage team they are going to wind up in 1 game playoff.
3 1/2 back.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
Not if they don't get pitching and someone competent needs to be playing first
2. Machado
3. UMP'D
4. bad luck.
No need to panic but Boone sure looked about ready to snap.
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Hey, that sucked.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
Not if they don't get pitching and someone competent needs to be playing first
We could definitely use another starter but c'mon needing a competent 1B. Bird is a damn good 1B but misplayed that hit to end the game. It sucks but it happens. Doesn't mean he's incompetent there.
2. Machado
3. UMP'D
4. bad luck.
No need to panic but Boone sure looked about ready to snap.
He should've been ready to have Holder start the 5th and Robbie ready to start the 7th.
He needs to snap the fuck out of his own way. He's as much to blame as anyone if not more for these two losses to the O's IMO.
Whatever. Win the series. The division is going to be a kock down, drag out war with the Sox until the end. The realitys been that way for a while now.
This.
The Sox will cool at some point, Yanks will heat up, and it'll come down to H2H games.
Winner of the WC plays the top seed in the DS, regardless of division.
And that won't be Cleveland.
Thats frustrating as shit.
Because Seattle is for real and could pass them for the first wild card spot and even Oakland is playing great ball. They As actually have a better record then the Indians.
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Relax.
I hope all is well for you
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Relax.
Thanks for the history lesson but this isn't every season. This is like '93 Braves-Giants. It may take 105 wins to win the division. We can't afford to be dropping games to a team that literally has 26 wins on the season in July. We're not running into Boston and sweeping them. Chances are we split the games we have left with them or go at best 6-4. They are absolutely cleaning up on the awful teams they are 30-8 vs. Bal/KC/Det/TB/Tex and 7-1 vs. the NL. Sure we'll get on a streak again like May/June at some point and make up ground, but that will only get us even or close to it and then we'll fall back just like the past year and a half. Thats how it works. Yea "wake me in October"- another asinine comment from Stan the ass. When you wake up we're liable to be facing The Mariners and James Paxton in a 1 game playoff. Can we go on a run like last year? of course we can, this is a really good team but that's a tough road to try and navigate every year.
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Relax.
The Yankees have not won a division title since 2012 sorry not gonna relax when they lose to a team that has won only 8 games since the end of May. I saw a stat how the yanks have lost 22 games to teams with losing records this year. Your not going to win every gme against bad teams but that is poor and might cost them the division.
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witnessed a fight for the division before?
Losing sucks, especially to a team with a shit record. But lets not shart in our pants and call it a night just yet. The Yankees continue to win series and theres plenty of season left.
Relax.
Thanks for the history lesson but this isn't every season. This is like '93 Braves-Giants. It may take 105 wins to win the division. We can't afford to be dropping games to a team that literally has 26 wins on the season in July. We're not running into Boston and sweeping them. Chances are we split the games we have left with them or go at best 6-4. They are absolutely cleaning up on the awful teams they are 30-8 vs. Bal/KC/Det/TB/Tex and 7-1 vs. the NL. Sure we'll get on a streak again like May/June at some point and make up ground, but that will only get us even or close to it and then we'll fall back just like the past year and a half. Thats how it works. Yea "wake me in October"- another asinine comment from Stan the ass. When you wake up we're liable to be facing The Mariners and James Paxton in a 1 game playoff. Can we go on a run like last year? of course we can, this is a really good team but that's a tough road to try and navigate every year.
Stu you nailed it here. This is not last year where the second wild card teams we under .500 up until September. The twins were sellers at the deadline last year they traded us Jamie Garcia and traded their best reliever Kintzler to the nationals at the deadline the Yankees wont have a patsy twin team in the wild card game and a scared rabbit like Ervin Santana throwing. Its more then likely going to be Seattle or maybe even Houston you never know. And their is no given the game will be plyed at Yankee stadium either. I said last night yanks better becarful here and take care of business against these awful teams.
It hurts to lose so many games to such a bad team, but that's baseball. It's fluky from game to game.
People are placing WAY too much importance on winning the division. Who won the division last year? Boston. What did that get them? Taken out by the Astros in 4.
Yanks got the wild card and not only won that, but beat the Indians and took the Astros to 7 games.
If that's not enough, look at 2016. Red Sox win the division; Blue Jays got the wild card. What did that get Boston- swept in 3 by the Indians.
The Jays won the wild card game AND won the ALDS against Texas, though they lost the ALCS to the Indians in 5.
A blunt message to the "Panic Brigade"- you don't get extra points for winning the division and it doesn't guarantee advancing in the playoffs.
Anything can happen in one game. The Yankees would be better than the second wild card team, perhaps significantly over the course of a season, but that can easily be neutralized facing that team's ace in one game. The better a team is, the longer they should want a series to be because it reduces the variance.
It's like saying that getting a bye in football isn't important just because some wild card teams advance further. It's always better to reduce the amount of games a team has to win.
The Yankees were down 3-0 before they even came to bat against the Twins. Thankfully they came back and went on a great run. But replay that scenario again and its entirely possible their season ends right there. Thats the nature of one game, anything can happen. And theyll be looking at a tougher pitching matchup this time around than they had last season.
Point is, nobody aside from a few of the usual suspects are panicking. But it is important to win the division, suggesting otherwise is foolish. And to give away games to a team with 26 total wins in July is inexcusable.
I still expect us to take the division. We have the better team in my opinion. But these losses could hurt. Pointing that out isnt spewing nonsense, or whatever
People are placing WAY too much importance on winning the division. Who won the division last year? Boston. What did that get them? Taken out by the Astros in 4.
Yanks got the wild card and not only won that, but beat the Indians and took the Astros to 7 games.
If that's not enough, look at 2016. Red Sox win the division; Blue Jays got the wild card. What did that get Boston- swept in 3 by the Indians.
The Jays won the wild card game AND won the ALDS against Texas, though they lost the ALCS to the Indians in 5.
A blunt message to the "Panic Brigade"- you don't get extra points for winning the division and it doesn't guarantee advancing in the playoffs.
Funny how you blast us like we know nothing and then go on to make a bunch of generalizations in your rant. Every season is different. Do you think the Indians up 2-0 on us coming off a 2nd half of the season where they never lost and coming within a hair of winning it all the year before thought they were losing 3 straight? To say who cares we can go on a run even starting in the WC game and the road throughout the playoffs just because we did it last year is silly. And by the way if game 7 is at YS last year we probably make the WS. Home field is huge for this team. We are much better at YS. Of course i'm not saying the regular season and race is over, I love this team but we damn well better stop losing to these shitty teams because Boston won't. This isn't some ordinary year.
Of course they are going to fall back and we will streak, but that will tie things up. We're 1-5 in our last 6 vs. TB/Balt am I allowed to be a little pissed when Boston is like playing .900 ball vs them and we're over half way into the season?
As far as division/Wild Card, it is pretty damn important. We survived Cleveland by the skin of our teeth last year and lost to Houston because we didn't have home field advantage. Burning Sevy in a Wild Card game and only getting him once in a five-game series puts us at a disadvantage, especially with a Verlander or Sale rested and ready for games 1 and 5. So, yeah, we have some work to do - it would help not to be five games out at the All-Star break.
Ohtani will never DH huh?
People are placing WAY too much importance on winning the division. Who won the division last year? Boston. What did that get them? Taken out by the Astros in 4.
Yanks got the wild card and not only won that, but beat the Indians and took the Astros to 7 games.
If that's not enough, look at 2016. Red Sox win the division; Blue Jays got the wild card. What did that get Boston- swept in 3 by the Indians.
The Jays won the wild card game AND won the ALDS against Texas, though they lost the ALCS to the Indians in 5.
A blunt message to the "Panic Brigade"- you don't get extra points for winning the division and it doesn't guarantee advancing in the playoffs.
I agree with your general points about the hysterics being out of control considering how good this team actually is...
That said, I don't agree that people are placing too much importance on winning the division, because it's VERY important.
The play in game is a very risky proposition because all it takes is one quiet night for the bats or an off night from Sevy, and the season is over.
Hell, it just happened in 2015 against the Astros when no one could get to Keuchel.
Obviously this team is much better than that one - but still, the Yankees were 2nd in the majors in runs scored that year and got blanked in the ALWC.
Beyond that, playing in that game also forces us to burn Sevy and then even if we win, we can't use him in Game 1 of the DS which puts us behind the ball to begin with.
I'm not worried about this team losing the Red Sox at all - but I am worried about the play-in and want nothing to do with it. You don't get a "we'll get 'em tomorrow" when you lose that game. The season is over. And facing someone like Paxton probably won't be an easy proposition (I know, we crushed him a couple weeks ago... but still)
Winning the division is a big deal.
I agree that homefield is huge, and I don't want to see them again as a wild card team throughout the playoffs. I think we will be alright once we start getting our guys back and healthy, If Sanchez can come back and settle in that is going to be huge. Torres too, and Bird needs to show and hold improvement. I really would like to see Sheffield come up, he is probably the move I am most looking forward to, and hope that happens sooner than later, I guess Gray's performance tonight will be a huge indicator in the timeline of that happening.
The weird thing about the Yankees is even when they had the great run, guys weren't playing at their peaks (except for possibly the rookies). There's still untapped upside the Yankees haven't reached up and down their lineup and with a few starting pitchers.
If that happens they'll wind up in the one and done. Not ideal but winning the one and done has worked out for a few teams. The Yankees are better than most usual wild card teams and have a 10 game lead on the second wild card. Kind of makes the rest of the regular season pointless unless you care about winning the division. What else is there to care about?
Hopefully this next few weeks will not cause someone above Cashman to panic and order dumb trades. I don't think Cashman will screw things up if he has final say.
I'd pass, honestly.
I'd rather see what Sheffield can do to help us this year. Starting pitching is the biggest issue right now. Machado doesn't fix that.
Accurate? So they've lost the division in July? Dead on as always, Randal.
But since it's about the time of the year. I'll make a pledge to Eric/BBI. I'll donate triple whatever you donate to this site when he runs the campaign this year if he verifies it. Maybe it will help you feel better. At least it will continue to give you an outlet to release some of your pain. Maybe other people can join the pledge and set a BBI record for donations this season.
I'd pass, honestly.
I'd rather see what Sheffield can do to help us this year. Starting pitching is the biggest issue right now. Machado doesn't fix that.
We can get Machado next year. I'm all for the long haul. Baseball is a marathon. Can't stress that enough. I'm glad Cashman has been playing things that way.
I dig it.
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Supposedly Baltimore is willing to send Machado here if Sheffield is a part of the package going back.
I'd pass, honestly.
I'd rather see what Sheffield can do to help us this year. Starting pitching is the biggest issue right now. Machado doesn't fix that.
Fuck that. That's like the word about Frazier being part of a package for a low level starter. Fuck that!
We can get Machado next year. I'm all for the long haul. Baseball is a marathon. Can't stress that enough. I'm glad Cashman has been playing things that way.
Yup. If Machado wants to be a Yankee, he can sign as a FA. No way I'm dumping Sheffield+ to rent him for 3-4 months.
Cashman is smart enough to likely think the same.
We had 3-0 and 4-2 leads Monday and lost because of CC we had 5-3 lead yesteday and the bullpen blew it. They won series against Philly Boston Atlanta and Toronto without Sanchez yes we need them but them out are not the reason we are losing to this terrible team
I am not nervous about the rental aspect of this at all, Machado has been rumored for a while now to want to be in the bronx, if this deal happens i have full faith in cashman to get him signed as well. There is no way after all that they have built in the last 2-3 years they blow it all up in 1 trade for just a few months of manny.
I am not nervous about the rental aspect of this at all, Machado has been rumored for a while now to want to be in the bronx, if this deal happens i have full faith in cashman to get him signed as well. There is no way after all that they have built in the last 2-3 years they blow it all up in 1 trade for just a few months of manny.
They will have the opportunity to get him in the off-season. Just offer the most money and he will be a Yankee.
It's bad business to trade top prospects for him and then also pay him 300 million.
The Yankees have themselves set up to contend for a while because they stopped doing things like trading top prospects for a guy they can wait until December and sign for just money.