A+ Peterson
A Columbia
BK Capusano
Kingsport Butto
DSL1
DSL2
DSL2 game 2
A+
Gimenez 3-5, 2b, 3B (.410 over his last 10, OPS up to .783)
Carpio 4-5, 2b
Rivera 2-5 (DH'ed)
Vasquez 1-4, 2b, BB, K
Sanchez 0-3, BB
Cavallaro 6 innings 2 hits 0 runs 1 walk 6 k's
Kingsport
Granadillo 3-3, 2 BB, SB (.372 with 3 walks over his last 10)
Newton 1-4, 3 k's (8 errors already, yikes)
Santana 3-5, HR, K (.925 OPS over his first 16 games, top 25 prospect for me)
Kelenic 2-4, HR, BB, K
Hernandez 0-4, BB, 2 k's (He's been awful, OPS down to .492)
Senger 1-4, K
Beracierta 1-4, BB, K
GCL
Mauricio 1-3, HR, K (19 game hitting streak)
Stan the Man 0-4
Rojas 6 innings 6 hits 3 walks 1 walk 4 k's (Career 56 k's vs. 5 walks)
Hutchinson 1 inning 1 hit 2 k's
Obviously getting carried away, but hard not to be excited about this kid and Mauricio.
If Szapucki comes back healthy and maintains his stuff Mets could have a handful of potential players on the farm and that doesn't even consider Gimenez, Alonso, Dunn, Kay, Peterson, or any of others showing promise (inconsistently in some cases).
I'm not as bullish as Shecky, but I'm also not as pessimistic as others.
On Kelenic. For those that were pushing for him to be promoted the Kingsport so early consider the following.
Hes a HS senior several months ago, who didnt play HS baseball. Gets drafted and instantly promoted to Kingsport. India happened to be playing against them last night (3B UF drafted in front of Mets).
India was placed there, an advanced college bat... Kelenic is already there too. Small sample is an understatement, but India only has played a couple games so far, Kelenic two weeks already, first game at Kingsport. Kelenic now has two hits more and four RBI more than India does. Kelenic should not be off to a hot start like this.
Cavallaro was 85-87 last night. Not being a hater but odds are pretty small that profile works as he moves up but a good season is a good season.
Sorry. In the system. He's one to watch. Stocky dude who can hit. Reminds me of Dilson Herrera before Dilson hurt his shoulder.
I know, but I expect it to rebound, he's maybe adjusting to a new level, it's only been 4 starts in STL. I'm not saying he projects to be a TOR starter, just that he's flashed (and I mentioned inconsistently with some of the prospects) and should factor into the Mets top prospect mix as a guy who should eventually see Queens.
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22 innings 24 hits 12 walks 10 k's 5.32 era over his first 3 A+ starts, it's 3 starts but that's really ugly considering 57 k's in 59.1 innings in the SAL isn't that impressive for a first round pick D1 SP in a league with massive K rate.
I know, but I expect it to rebound, he's maybe adjusting to a new level, it's only been 4 starts in STL. I'm not saying he projects to be a TOR starter, just that he's flashed (and I mentioned inconsistently with some of the prospects) and should factor into the Mets top prospect mix as a guy who should eventually see Queens.
I believe he's a big leaguer but I don't think he's more than a solid 4 in terms of upside. I actually think Kay (upside wise) is more intriguing nobody I know who has seen Peterson has come back with rave reviews in terms of his stuff. We can talk about velocity not being everything but 100% of the top pitchers in baseball have "top stuff" in todays game.
Continue to come to dark side. Theres much joy
He was DFA's after ST and apparently had a pretty bad shoulder injury that impacted his 2016 and 2017 seasons, went unclaimed, was assigned to high A b/c they have a glut of middle infielders and between his solid play and injuries he's earned a spot with the big league club.
Not suggesting the Mets should have done anything different, or they shouldn't have traded him for Bruce, just always liked him and glad to see him persevere, hope he does well, other than if he plays against the Mets.
Woods won't get any prospect love this year. Not enough innings and was viewed as an overdraft. If he pitches well NEXT season then he will. I mean the 2018 draft basically won't even be "considered" outside of Kelenic.
If the Mets are 26th again (for example), but Kelenic and Mauricio stay hot.
Gimenez remains steady or even improves some.
guys like Kay, Dunn, Peterson, Alonso, Vientos, etc. flash or better and Szapucki and Humphreys figure to return in 2019 I don't care where the farm system is ranked.
I would feel better than I did at the beginning of the season with Gimenez as the only really interesting name.
Agree about the publications not looking in the low levels. But all it will take is a little talk by the first one with balls to tell the positive narrative. And the rest will follow. If I was 3-6 months premature in my prediction, Ill gladly admit to being wrong ;)
Agree about the publications not looking in the low levels. But all it will take is a little talk by the first one with balls to tell the positive narrative. And the rest will follow. If I was 3-6 months premature in my prediction, Ill gladly admit to being wrong ;)
I think they have the lower level upside to move into the top 10-15 following NEXT season but as we've all noted the short-season guys don't move the needle unless they are high picks, bonus babies or truly phenoms.
Cavallaro was 85-87 last night. Not being a hater but odds are pretty small that profile works as he moves up but a good season is a good season.
I'm not writing off either one of these pitchers at this stage. They are both big guys, huge athletes. Peterson might find himself as the year goes on, he was a man among boys in the SAL. Cavallaro is a side-armer -- I don't know how that will play as a starter, but he was a reliever in college and had success.
'Nother Question -- We watched some of the big club's game against the Phillies in Tommy Condon's Pub last night. Who was the Mets player that was riding the Home Plate Umpire ? They showed him on camera but I didn't recognize him. He was giving the ump a full ration of shit.
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If the Mets are 26th again (for example), but Kelenic and Mauricio stay hot.
Gimenez remains steady or even improves some.
guys like Kay, Dunn, Peterson, Alonso, Vientos, etc. flash or better and Szapucki and Humphreys figure to return in 2019 I don't care where the farm system is ranked.
I would feel better than I did at the beginning of the season with Gimenez as the only really interesting name.
pretty much exactly how I feel. Pitchers are especially tough to predict, so I'd prefer volume over than having 1 top ranked crown jewel. Predicting how skills (especially the mental skill of pitching) translate to the MLB is a crap shoot so i'm less concerned with having a handful on a top 100 list than a dozen or so who have exciting skills that give them a chance if things click.
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if anything Peterson's stock is down. Has not been impressive.
Cavallaro was 85-87 last night. Not being a hater but odds are pretty small that profile works as he moves up but a good season is a good season.
I'm not writing off either one of these pitchers at this stage. They are both big guys, huge athletes. Peterson might find himself as the year goes on, he was a man among boys in the SAL. Cavallaro is a side-armer -- I don't know how that will play as a starter, but he was a reliever in college and had success.
'Nother Question -- We watched some of the big club's game against the Phillies in Tommy Condon's Pub last night. Who was the Mets player that was riding the Home Plate Umpire ? They showed him on camera but I didn't recognize him. He was giving the ump a full ration of shit.
I can't think of a single side-armed SP in baseball currently. As I noted I don't think Cavallaro is a SP going forward. Reliever ala Joe Smith he has a shot. Peterson should be a big leaguer just doesn't have TOR stuff. Stranger things have happened but I think he's a Niese type with upside to be slightly better (and last longer) but we'll never be anointing him the next big thing like DeGrom, Thor, Harvey or even Wheeler.
You could say that for just about every post by PJ. Smart guy and really wide-ranging knowledge base.
Agreed about the side-armer.
Any idea who that Bench Jockey was last night ?? From across the room, with no sound.....it was funny watching him rip the Ump.
Bauer
Verlander
Sale
Scherzer
Severino
deGrom
Nola
Cole
Paxton
Corbin
Stuff plays. Guys who get by on guile and smarts are extremely, extremely unusual. Peterson should be a solid big league SP. Cavallaro would be quite a surprise. According to fangraphs Hendricks is the softest tossing
RH SP in baseball with an average FB of 86.8 MPH followed by Colon and Fiers (88.7) so you are basically hoping Cavallaro is the next Hendricks or Colon, not exactly great odds
Agreed about the side-armer.
Any idea who that Bench Jockey was last night ?? From across the room, with no sound.....it was funny watching him rip the Ump.
NL,
I didn't see it but with all of the indy guys I lose track of some of their faces sometimes.
Its hard to be too down on our system after reading these threads but the lack of pitching does concern me.
Its hard to be too down on our system after reading these threads but the lack of pitching does concern me.
The exciting arms are recovering from TJS (Szapucki, Humphreys). The others project more as mid/back of the rotation (or BP) types but they were all high draft picks so who knows (Dunn, Peterson, Kay). Most of them were considered good picks at the time by the experts. They went overslot for year's 2nd rounder HS pitcher who is about to debut so hopefully he flashes even though he's a long way away.
Its hard to be too down on our system after reading these threads but the lack of pitching does concern me.
That's my impression too.
It is what it is. I'm at least happy it doesn't appear to be completely hopeless like it did a little earlier this year. We probably also have a top 5 pick coming up in next year's draft.
If we are thin on close to MLB pitching, it begs the question on what to do with Wheeler. Would he rip up his last arb year and take something like 3/yr $50M and sell out 2 UFA years? Yea, he'd get a good amount more on the open market, but he'd still need to throw a lot of effective innings to get to the 2019 offseason and $50M is a lot of guaranteed money.
Its hard to be too down on our system after reading these threads but the lack of pitching does concern me.
Correct. Dunn would be the only SP prospect in the upper minors and he has his own issues. Once Alonso and McNeil are up the top position prospect in AA/AAA is probably Cecchini or Tomas Nido... top SP prospect in the upper minors other than Dunn.. I can't identify a single SP prospect in AA/AAA who is likely to make a single major league start.
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That was an outstanding and well written post!!!
You could say that for just about every post by PJ. Smart guy and really wide-ranging knowledge base.
That's very kind of you Vanzetti, maybe the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on here.
Likewise.
I enjoy reading your posts.
If we were a normal big-market team that spends money, it would be a different story. But we are not.
Mets SS Andres Gimenez, Class A Advanced St. Lucie: 3-for-5, 3B, 2B, 2 RBI, R -- This was Gimenez's second straight three-hit game and extended his hitting streak to nine games. Coming off a rough June in which he hit .202 over 25 games, the Mets' top prospect has produced a .410/.425/.590 line through 10 games in July. Already possessing a solid hit tool, the 19-year-old shortstop has begun to develop power this season. With two extra-base hits Tuesday, Gimenez now has 28 through 80 games in 2018, up from only 17 in 92 contests last year at Class A Columbia, and his slugging percentage has appropriately jumped from .349 to .434. With a more complete offensive profile to build on his already steady defensive work at short, Gimenez, who will participate in Sunday's Futures Game, could jump higher from his current spot at No. 68 in MLB.com's overall rankings.
Mets SS Andres Gimenez, Class A Advanced St. Lucie: 3-for-5, 3B, 2B, 2 RBI, R -- This was Gimenez's second straight three-hit game and extended his hitting streak to nine games. Coming off a rough June in which he hit .202 over 25 games, the Mets' top prospect has produced a .410/.425/.590 line through 10 games in July. Already possessing a solid hit tool, the 19-year-old shortstop has begun to develop power this season. With two extra-base hits Tuesday, Gimenez now has 28 through 80 games in 2018, up from only 17 in 92 contests last year at Class A Columbia, and his slugging percentage has appropriately jumped from .349 to .434. With a more complete offensive profile to build on his already steady defensive work at short, Gimenez, who will participate in Sunday's Futures Game, could jump higher from his current spot at No. 68 in MLB.com's overall rankings.
It's a little odd to me how under the radar he still seems to be flying. At age 19 he's hitting for more power than Dom Smith showed in the same league at age 20 - except he plays a premium defensive position and is also leading the league in SB.
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Who stayed hot
Mets SS Andres Gimenez, Class A Advanced St. Lucie: 3-for-5, 3B, 2B, 2 RBI, R -- This was Gimenez's second straight three-hit game and extended his hitting streak to nine games. Coming off a rough June in which he hit .202 over 25 games, the Mets' top prospect has produced a .410/.425/.590 line through 10 games in July. Already possessing a solid hit tool, the 19-year-old shortstop has begun to develop power this season. With two extra-base hits Tuesday, Gimenez now has 28 through 80 games in 2018, up from only 17 in 92 contests last year at Class A Columbia, and his slugging percentage has appropriately jumped from .349 to .434. With a more complete offensive profile to build on his already steady defensive work at short, Gimenez, who will participate in Sunday's Futures Game, could jump higher from his current spot at No. 68 in MLB.com's overall rankings.
It's a little odd to me how under the radar he still seems to be flying. At age 19 he's hitting for more power than Dom Smith showed in the same league at age 20 - except he plays a premium defensive position and is also leading the league in SB.
Non-toolsy types don't get a ton of love with "solid" but unspectacular lines. I mean Ruben Tejada hit .289/.351/.381 with 19 steals.. at 19... in AA and he never sniffed top 100.
All I remember hearing about Smith was he was solid defensively and even somewhat nimble around the bag despite his size. Then all of a sudden in the bigs people say he's a net negative defensively.
Just makes me less confident in both scouts and their thoughts on D and defensive metrics.
And it's possible I could be miss-remembering, but I'm pretty sure there were zero questions about Smith's D.
And reality is Gimenez may be at 2B with Rosario at SS, but a SS is more valuable, so having both capable helps not hurts.
All I remember hearing about Smith was he was solid defensively and even somewhat nimble around the bag despite his size. Then all of a sudden in the bigs people say he's a net negative defensively.
Just makes me less confident in both scouts and their thoughts on D and defensive metrics.
And it's possible I could be miss-remembering, but I'm pretty sure there were zero questions about Smith's D.
And reality is Gimenez may be at 2B with Rosario at SS, but a SS is more valuable, so having both capable helps not hurts.
You are correct on all counts. Smith's D was supposed to be "GG caliber" when in fact he has zero range and is a career -7 DRS over 120 big league games.
Giles has had issues with the manager, but has a FIP almost 3 runs lower than his ERA and multiple arbitration years of team control after this.
Giles has had issues with the manager, but has a FIP almost 3 runs lower than his ERA and multiple arbitration years of team control after this.
Good deal for the Mets. But the Astros FO didnt get themselves into the very desirable situation theyre in right now by making terrible deals like that.
One scout who recently saw Mets first-rounder Jarred Kelenic says he could be a special player.
One scout who recently saw Mets first-rounder Jarred Kelenic says he could be a special player.
Sandy's best thing was 1st round picks. Nimmo, Conforto, Fulmer, Plawecki. Jury obviously still out on Smith, Cecchini, Dunn, Kay, Peterson, and even the first list to some degree, but even 50% is a pretty good hit rate this early in most of those guys careers.
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The catcher position is terrible and he's been a league average hitter for 2 years now and he's not bad defensively. If he stays healthy he'll be an MLB catcher somewhere the next few years.
deGroms ERA
Disgusting.
He's a fucking joke and everyone knows it.
de Grom is such a badass. I really want the Mets to sign him to a long-term deal out of all the starters. He's shown an ability to navigate with reduced velocity (2016) and he is so smart and driven that I just see him finding a way to be excellent deep into his 30s.