Looking at Josh Gordon's rookie contract he signed in 2012, it's equal to the regular rookie pay scale. So if the Giants bid their 3rd round pick for Beal, he should roughly get a similar contract that Lorenzo Carter signed with the Giants as the 3rd round pick in the 2018 draft (4 years, $4.1 million and $1.05 million signing bonus)
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Josh Gordon's contract is worth just over $5.3 million and includes $3.8 million in guarantees, which is consistent with Gordon's draft slot. The Browns selected Gordon with the second pick in the second round of Thursday's supplemental draft, making the value of his rookie contract equivalent to the 34th overall pick of this year's regular draft.
St. Louis Rams wide receiver Brian Quick, the first player selected in the second round of April's draft, signed a four-year, $5.386 million rookie contract that included $3.822 million in guaranteed money.
He's a talented player at what is probably our greatest position of need. Gettelamn and Co. have really done solid work since he took over. They've accurately assesesed the roster shortcomings and have effectively tapped into all avenues of personnel acquisition resources available to address them.
He's a talented player at what is probably our greatest position of need. Gettelamn and Co. have really done solid work since he took over. They've accurately assesesed the roster shortcomings and have effectively tapped into all avenues of personnel acquisition resources available to address them.
It's refreshing but it's also alot easier to assess, admit and attack roster shortcomings when you weren't the cause of the shortcomings.
Beal has a lot going for him as a cover corner. In speaking with team sources, they felt that his ball-reaction skills were his best trait. Beal tracks the football extremely well while running downfield. He high points the ball and is adept at breaking up passes to prevent completions. Beal doesn't panic when the ball is coming toward him and is a real competitor with receivers. He is a physical corner with good length to take on big receivers. At his size, Beal has the ability to be an outside starter in the NFL.
There are some coverage issues that Beal needs to improve on, and that is why some teams sources thought he should have returned for his senior year. Beal can grab too much on receivers and be overly physical downfield. That could lead to issues with pass interference penalties as a pro. Beal needs to improve his skills to run with receivers without grabbing and holding them while running downfield. There also are some evaluators who question Beal's deep speed, and they have some concerns about him taking on elite deep threats. Thus, Beal could use some development in the NFL before being placed in the starting lineup.
Some team sources are very high on Beal and say he has first-round talent. Others say he is a legit second-round prospect.
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Where you won't find one person who has a problem with this.
Kid has no off field issues and had the potential to be a first round pick next year. He fell behind in credits after promising his mom that he was going to graduate. He would have had to wait until August on an NCAA decision if they would have allowed him to be eligible.
the Giants need to keep filling in talent at corner. We all know that Eli Apple has a very short leash and the Giants have to be prepared to live without him just in case.
Hope it works out as that was a huge weakness. I would be a bit more upset as I didnt think he warranted more than a 4th, but given the giants 3rd round track history csn it get any worse?
The Giants get a guy who could have been a 1st round pick in next years draft a year early. The Giants are really desperate for depth at CB and now they have added Beal and Grant Haley to the mix. Now let's just hope that Beal can get caught up and actually contribute this year as the 3rd or 4th CB.
This was a very aggressive and smart move by Gettleman.
But I do like that we took a CB. We completely ignored the position in the Draft and signed Grant Haley whose ceiling is a nickel.
The position is suspect. Jackrabbit had a rough year last year and who knows if the situation with his brother will distract. Still, we're counting on him as our #1 CB.
Eli Apple has done well this summer, but we can't forget that last year was an utter disaster for him on and off the field.
And then after those two are even more question Mark's. Let's hope Beal develops well and a position of weakness becomes a strength.
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
Thats the beauty of getting this guy into the weight lifting program a year earlier. He has a chance to put on weight now and learn the scheme. Would have been behind on all of that had he stayed in school one more year.
Unlike most supplemental draft prospects of the last decade, Beal doesn't come with red flags off the field. There are no reported failed drug tests. There are no coaches throwing him under the bus as a bad teammate. Instead, a college kid got behind on some credits and was in danger of losing his eligibility. And now NFL teams are ready to jump on this rare opportunity.
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Giants had 2nd pick of 3rd round for this draft. Beal was going to some team in this round. Nobody jumped with a 2nd rounder despite temptations.
I like the move - getting a talented player in 1 year earlier
than they would otherwise. plus they will probably get a comp pick for Pugh or Richburg or both that will help make up for the loss of a pick next year.
That said, I don't buy the "first round pick next year". His production was decent (10 breakups, 2 career INTs were both this past year) and his measurables are solid. He probably would have had to improve a lot to get into the first round convo. Probably also fair to say he would have been in the top 100 conversation, and that's about the price they paid, plus they got him a year early.
RE: Can't say I've watched him at Western Michigan
But I do like that we took a CB. We completely ignored the position in the Draft and signed Grant Haley whose ceiling is a nickel.
The position is suspect. Jackrabbit had a rough year last year and who knows if the situation with his brother will distract. Still, we're counting on him as our #1 CB.
Eli Apple has done well this summer, but we can't forget that last year was an utter disaster for him on and off the field.
And then after those two are even more question Mark's. Let's hope Beal develops well and a position of weakness becomes a strength.
We also picked up William Gay, who is old, but can play in sub packages and serve as a mentor.
He's legit. We may have sucked last year, but we definitely took advantage of every opportunity it granted us. Great pick up. CB depth was my biggest concern.
"Western Michigan CB Sam Beal | 60/190 | Pro Day: 4.47 forty, 37-inch vertical, 106 broad jump, 7.11 3-cone, 4.09 short shuttle
Beal declared for the supplemental draft after he was declared academically ineligible. Hes not considered a character risk, though. When news broke of his departure from Kalamazoo, I was working on my 2019 NFL Draft defender rankings. I had Beal ranked CB6, and projected him as a 2019 second-round pick.
In his second year as a starter in 2017, Beal broke out, earning second-team All-MAC honors. Beal flashed early, picking off USCs Sam Darnold in the nationally-televised opener. Pro Football Focus gave Beal an 86.1 grade last year, identical to that of Colorado's Isaiah Oliver (drafted in Round 2 by the Falcons). For reference, PFF graded Oliver as the sixth-best CB in this past class (ironically, the exact same ranking I had planned to give Beal in my too-early 2019 rankings).
Beal may not have jumped onto our radars until last fall, but hes no stranger to top competition, having cut his teeth by squaring off against Corey Davis in practice during his first two years on campus.
Beals speed, athleticism, length, football I.Q. and tackling ability tantalize. Its difficult to beat him vertically due to his long speed and technique, and Beals fluidity and footwork is apparent when mirroring receivers on intermediate routes. Beal isnt a one-trick pony press guy. His speed, movement skills and size project to any scheme. On the field, hes a fighter, a guy who gets his hands in your chest off the line and battles with you every step of the way downfield, using the boundary as his friend.
He needs to pack some weight onto his lithe frame, a development that would further play up the spunky facets of his coverage style. At present, he can be out-muscled a bit by big, physical outside receivers. But make no mistake: This is a guy who could enter an NFL rotation very quickly, perhaps even in Year 1.
This years top supplemental prospect, Beals ceiling on Wednesday afternoon is Round 2. If that happens, keep an eye on the Chiefs, who have a cornerback need and a pair of second-rounders. My assumption, however, is that he drops to Round 3, which would be a nice little discount on a player who could have worked his way into Round 1 consideration next spring had he turned in a big senior campaign."
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Dont think its a mistake.
Beal unlikely to have much of impact this year. Some teams had concerns about both shoulders. 2nd round currency not to be spent lightly.
First I am hearing about the shoulder issues. Hoping he can steer clear of those.
...thats a serious acquisition. Essentially could be getting first round 2019 talent at a need position for a 3rd round pick.
Love the aggression of the front office. Lets go get this!
I still bring DRC back. He'd be a great teacher for Beal too.
Agreed - DRC is unsigned, and if we bring him back, I really like a top 4 of Jenkins, Apple, Beal, and DRC. Gives some flexibility and some insurance, as each individual player has some uncertainty.
Looking at the 18 draft - here are the CBs who went 2nd & 3rd round
...thats a serious acquisition. Essentially could be getting first round 2019 talent at a need position for a 3rd round pick.
Love the aggression of the front office. Lets go get this!
I still bring DRC back. He'd be a great teacher for Beal too.
Agreed - DRC is unsigned, and if we bring him back, I really like a top 4 of Jenkins, Apple, Beal, and DRC. Gives some flexibility and some insurance, as each individual player has some uncertainty.
Add in Gay as a vet slot guy and Haley as a PS developmental slot guy, we could have some nice depth.
Not sure about the cap space for DRC though. We have to pay this kid too. I guess it'll come to about a mill per year.
especially not for DRC ... but, you can be sure NYG is digging into the situation and not just letting it slide by without understanding the dynamic and what happened.
We pick early in the round and aren't likely to be picking that high next year, so we had an advantage over other teams that might be interested in the third round (and it seems nobody has picked with a 1st or 2nd round pick for quite some time).
If they go at least .500 this year, then they've basically given up a mid-3rd round pick for a guy some had ranked as a 1st rounder.
It is hard to predict how much the team has improved, but it seems like we are in for a series of annual improvements rather than a series of annual ups & downs. I'll take it.
There's probably a reason why DRC is still floating around out there.
Yeah. And wasn't he released (or rumored so) due to being a disruptive presence. I don't see the Giants resigning him.
It certainly appears that he was identified as one of the issues in the locker room. I don't see NYG contacting him either. I think that ship has sailed.
This might be the first time in BBI history
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Where you won't find one person who has a problem with this.
Kid has no off field issues and had the potential to be a first round pick next year. He fell behind in credits after promising his mom that he was going to graduate. He would have had to wait until August on an NCAA decision if they would have allowed him to be eligible.
RE: Giants give up 3rd round pick in 2019 draft for this
Yes, but remember the "time value" of picks. At draft time, next year's pick in a round is thought to be less valuable than one in the the same round this year.
This is the same but in reverse. A 3rd round pick that can play THIS year should have more "value" than third rounder next year.
to have a player of this caliber available at their biggest position of need when they had 2nd priority. A steal and a no brainer. If you're the Giants, you have to think that 3rd rounder will be much later next year and you immediately help your team. I'd be curious to see how many other teams placed 3rd round bids on him.
do they announce whether any other teams tried to get him later
Another corner to safety, we can gain a supplemental fourth round pick by cutting Michael Thomas, a safety we signed as a free agent.
The whole point of this exercise is that this roster is razor thin at CB. They're not moving a CB to safety. Who would even fit that job description?
Isnt Curtis Riley originally a corner and being asked to play FS? I could certainly see a path to Thomas getting cut.
I realize we need corners. The giants might have an ok corner who is better at safety. I would think its harder to find a quality corner than a safety.
I don't think so. The year Ahmad Brooks was selected, I think I remember reading from one of the beats that we unsuccessfully placed a later bid on him but I could be mistaken. Either way, it's not really the sort of information that gets officially released.
His grade is his grade. Seems to be a consensus 1-3 quality pick depending on who you ask or who scouted him. If you are going to assume he wouldnt work out then you might as well assume Hernandez, Carter, and Hill wont as well.
is a great gamble. Beal seems to have elite ball skills, and apparently could have been a first round pick next year. He therefore seems to have a higher ceiling than most third round picks. He just needs to get stronger. I assume the Giants checked out any shoulder issues. Another seemingly great move by Gettleman and the FO.
Based on what sample size? Most 3rd rounders in general don't work out and there frankly haven't been enough supplemental 3rds to draw that conclusion.
No way Beal was going to make it to the 4th round.
The kid has cover skills. I haven't heard a thing about his special teams skills but I'd guess he SUCKS since he isn't a tackler. Does anyone have a clue on his ST's ability? I ask because to be active as a rookie he may need to play specials?
Another corner to safety, we can gain a supplemental fourth round pick by cutting Michael Thomas, a safety we signed as a free agent.
Not sure why they would do that. I think Thomas has a very good chance to play a bunch there this year and is automatically the best special teamer this team has.
I think this was a great move. It can't hurt to pick up a guy who
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
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The Giants chose Western Michigan cornerback Sam Beal in the third round of the 2018 NFL Supplemental Draft on Wednesday, a somewhat surprising move, but one that further adds depth to the cornerback position.
Beal, 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds, has the combination of size and length that NFL defensive coordinators covet.
As a junior in 2017, Beal made 22 tackles with 2.0 tackles for loss, and intercepted two passes with 10 pass breakups.
In three seasons at Western Michigan, Beal totaled 92 tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss, and two interceptions.
The Giants have two established cornerbacks in Janoris Jenkins and Eli Apple slated to start on the outside, and signed Penn State's Grant Haley as an undrafted rookie free agent at a position group that also includes veterans Teddy Williams, B.W. Webb, William Gay, and plenty of opportunity for a young player such as Beal to make the team.
You can check out scouting reports, and highlights of Beal's collegiate career below:
Scouting Report - The Sporting News
A two-year starter at Western Michigan, Beal possess the ideal body type for a perimeter corner in todays NFL. He measures over 6-0 and showcases an ability to play in man, press and multiple zone coverages. He does not have great bulk; he weighed in at 190 pounds at his Pro Day after dropping from 190 pounds for better testing. He also does not engage with great physicality in coverage, and he needs to continue to build his upper-half strength. Beal, though, is a smooth athlete who turns and runs naturally, and he has the tools to be a long-term starter. At his Pro Day, he recorded a 4.47 40-yard dash, a 37-inch vertical and a 106 broad jump, all of which would have put him in the upper echelon of cornerbacks at the 2018 NFL Combine.
As an aside - just another way the NCAA screws these guys
We will have the #2 spot in waiver wire the rest of off season as well....and if we keep losing in start of the season.
It is a smart move...they should take advantage......so expect a heavy revolving door on the back end of the roster for the forseeable future....as none of us want to be in this spot again.
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
as long as McIntosh is healthy by camp & impresses I believe we will be supremely happy despite not taking a Corner.
and your criteria for the comment is ....? Given that we have zero to go on in his "camp". Nuggets appreciated, draft pundits....eh?
Barkley, HERNANDEZ and BJ Hill may all be rookie starters. We, of course, won't be able to truly grade this draft for a few years but early reports look good.
--It's true he missed all the offseason stuff, but as a CB, they should still be able to carve out a piece of the playbook for him to learn as part of nickel and/or dime defenses. He doesn't need to know the whole playbook in order to have a role on game day.
--If you expect, as I do, that the Giants will be drafting in the back end of each round next year, the Giants just basically used a late 3rd round pick in 2019 to grab a player of "early 3rd round pick value" (based on their use of the 3rd pick in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft) who will play for them in 2018. I'm guessing there will be a follow up on Thursday (if not already) that tells us how many other teams put in 3rd round bids. If the Giants were the only team (which I doubt) it could be said that maybe the Giants overvalued him; on the other hand, if we hear of several teams that put in 3rd round bids (including the teams with the more impressive personnel departments like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England) it will look more like the steal we're hoping it turns out to be.
--Do three thirds equal one Pro Bowl player? The Giants added three early third round picks (Carter, Hill, Beal) to the defense in one offseason (which harkens back to the 1986 draft when they added four 2nd round picks: Mark Collins, Erik Howard, Pepper Johnson, and Greg Lasker). If just one of the three turned out to be a Pro Bowl player and the other two were busts, would that be good enough? What if they got three starters out of it, but no stars, would that be better than one star and two busts? How about one Pro Bowl player, one starter, and a valued role player? What must Gettleman achieve with these three picks in order to win your respect and admiration? It would suffice us if..... - ( New Window )
but I don't feel like the Giants "lost" or ("forfeited" as Patti put it) their 2019 3rd round pick. I feel like they were given an advantage and opportunity to jump to the head of the draft and use it early. I feel like "lost" and (even more so) "forfeited" implies it's gone and you got nothing. This is more like "I lost my wallet while I was lifting up my Ed McMahon check". At worst, we didn't forfeit the pick, but, rather, we traded it for an extra 2018 selection.
These picks don't usually work out
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but let's hope he is an exception.
Especially when compared to regular draft picks. There have been 43 players selected in the draft and their average length of playing service is 1.7 times the league average.
It produced 1 HoF player, Cris Carter in the 4th round! Out of those 43 players, 8 made it to Pro Bowls and out of those 8, only 3 were 1st round picks.
This doesn't even count the Supplemental Draft from the USFL that resulted in 4 HoF players being selected (including the giants selection of Gary Zimmerman)
Do you think it's a coincidence that Saquon Barkley and Sam Beal have
Josh Gordon's contract is worth just over $5.3 million and includes $3.8 million in guarantees, which is consistent with Gordon's draft slot. The Browns selected Gordon with the second pick in the second round of Thursday's supplemental draft, making the value of his rookie contract equivalent to the 34th overall pick of this year's regular draft.
St. Louis Rams wide receiver Brian Quick, the first player selected in the second round of April's draft, signed a four-year, $5.386 million rookie contract that included $3.822 million in guaranteed money.
Tito Wooten in 1994.
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The last pick of the third is a small price to pay.
It's refreshing but it's also alot easier to assess, admit and attack roster shortcomings when you weren't the cause of the shortcomings.
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Ugh.
Ugh.
How about Carter?
Beal has a lot going for him as a cover corner. In speaking with team sources, they felt that his ball-reaction skills were his best trait. Beal tracks the football extremely well while running downfield. He high points the ball and is adept at breaking up passes to prevent completions. Beal doesn't panic when the ball is coming toward him and is a real competitor with receivers. He is a physical corner with good length to take on big receivers. At his size, Beal has the ability to be an outside starter in the NFL.
There are some coverage issues that Beal needs to improve on, and that is why some teams sources thought he should have returned for his senior year. Beal can grab too much on receivers and be overly physical downfield. That could lead to issues with pass interference penalties as a pro. Beal needs to improve his skills to run with receivers without grabbing and holding them while running downfield. There also are some evaluators who question Beal's deep speed, and they have some concerns about him taking on elite deep threats. Thus, Beal could use some development in the NFL before being placed in the starting lineup.
Some team sources are very high on Beal and say he has first-round talent. Others say he is a legit second-round prospect.
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Curious to see if this is someone Sy has scouted.
Ugh.
Chad Jones. Ramses Barden. Travis Beckum. Curse, indeed.
Lorenzo Carter and B.J. Hill can do their part to reverse it, too.
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Kid has no off field issues and had the potential to be a first round pick next year. He fell behind in credits after promising his mom that he was going to graduate. He would have had to wait until August on an NCAA decision if they would have allowed him to be eligible.
He was a safety, and he was good until off field trouble caught up with him.
This was a very aggressive and smart move by Gettleman.
The position is suspect. Jackrabbit had a rough year last year and who knows if the situation with his brother will distract. Still, we're counting on him as our #1 CB.
Eli Apple has done well this summer, but we can't forget that last year was an utter disaster for him on and off the field.
And then after those two are even more question Mark's. Let's hope Beal develops well and a position of weakness becomes a strength.
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
Thats the beauty of getting this guy into the weight lifting program a year earlier. He has a chance to put on weight now and learn the scheme. Would have been behind on all of that had he stayed in school one more year.
Love the aggression of the front office. Lets go get this!
I still bring DRC back. He'd be a great teacher for Beal too.
Unlike most supplemental draft prospects of the last decade, Beal doesn't come with red flags off the field. There are no reported failed drug tests. There are no coaches throwing him under the bus as a bad teammate. Instead, a college kid got behind on some credits and was in danger of losing his eligibility. And now NFL teams are ready to jump on this rare opportunity.
Giants had 2nd pick of 3rd round for this draft. Beal was going to some team in this round. Nobody jumped with a 2nd rounder despite temptations.
That said, I don't buy the "first round pick next year". His production was decent (10 breakups, 2 career INTs were both this past year) and his measurables are solid. He probably would have had to improve a lot to get into the first round convo. Probably also fair to say he would have been in the top 100 conversation, and that's about the price they paid, plus they got him a year early.
The position is suspect. Jackrabbit had a rough year last year and who knows if the situation with his brother will distract. Still, we're counting on him as our #1 CB.
Eli Apple has done well this summer, but we can't forget that last year was an utter disaster for him on and off the field.
And then after those two are even more question Mark's. Let's hope Beal develops well and a position of weakness becomes a strength.
We also picked up William Gay, who is old, but can play in sub packages and serve as a mentor.
It's like getting an unexpected gift delivered by FedEx.
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Is this our first supplemental draft pick since this guy?...
But it is the third round slot that the team has become accustom to screwing up. Maybe this will break the trend.
We got three shots at it this year. I hope they all pan out.
Beal declared for the supplemental draft after he was declared academically ineligible. Hes not considered a character risk, though. When news broke of his departure from Kalamazoo, I was working on my 2019 NFL Draft defender rankings. I had Beal ranked CB6, and projected him as a 2019 second-round pick.
In his second year as a starter in 2017, Beal broke out, earning second-team All-MAC honors. Beal flashed early, picking off USCs Sam Darnold in the nationally-televised opener. Pro Football Focus gave Beal an 86.1 grade last year, identical to that of Colorado's Isaiah Oliver (drafted in Round 2 by the Falcons). For reference, PFF graded Oliver as the sixth-best CB in this past class (ironically, the exact same ranking I had planned to give Beal in my too-early 2019 rankings).
Beal may not have jumped onto our radars until last fall, but hes no stranger to top competition, having cut his teeth by squaring off against Corey Davis in practice during his first two years on campus.
Beals speed, athleticism, length, football I.Q. and tackling ability tantalize. Its difficult to beat him vertically due to his long speed and technique, and Beals fluidity and footwork is apparent when mirroring receivers on intermediate routes. Beal isnt a one-trick pony press guy. His speed, movement skills and size project to any scheme. On the field, hes a fighter, a guy who gets his hands in your chest off the line and battles with you every step of the way downfield, using the boundary as his friend.
He needs to pack some weight onto his lithe frame, a development that would further play up the spunky facets of his coverage style. At present, he can be out-muscled a bit by big, physical outside receivers. But make no mistake: This is a guy who could enter an NFL rotation very quickly, perhaps even in Year 1.
This years top supplemental prospect, Beals ceiling on Wednesday afternoon is Round 2. If that happens, keep an eye on the Chiefs, who have a cornerback need and a pair of second-rounders. My assumption, however, is that he drops to Round 3, which would be a nice little discount on a player who could have worked his way into Round 1 consideration next spring had he turned in a big senior campaign."
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Dont think its a mistake.
Beal unlikely to have much of impact this year. Some teams had concerns about both shoulders. 2nd round currency not to be spent lightly.
First I am hearing about the shoulder issues. Hoping he can steer clear of those.
Why because his brother killed someone?
Why? They can give OBJ an extension anytime they want. Without Jenkins theyre in deep shit in the secondary
I wonder how long it will take before he is ready to step
on the field when it counts .
Love the aggression of the front office. Lets go get this!
I still bring DRC back. He'd be a great teacher for Beal too.
Josh Jackson (#45)
MJ Steward (#53)
Donte Jackson (#55)
Duke Dawson (#56)
Isaiah Oliver (#58)
Carlton Davis (#63)
3rd round
Isaac Yiadom (#99)
The 3rd round seems like fair value. The 2nd round guys were all better prospects.
Well this is dumb.
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...thats a serious acquisition. Essentially could be getting first round 2019 talent at a need position for a 3rd round pick.
Love the aggression of the front office. Lets go get this!
I still bring DRC back. He'd be a great teacher for Beal too.
Agreed - DRC is unsigned, and if we bring him back, I really like a top 4 of Jenkins, Apple, Beal, and DRC. Gives some flexibility and some insurance, as each individual player has some uncertainty.
Add in Gay as a vet slot guy and Haley as a PS developmental slot guy, we could have some nice depth.
Not sure about the cap space for DRC though. We have to pay this kid too. I guess it'll come to about a mill per year.
Holy shit.
If they go at least .500 this year, then they've basically given up a mid-3rd round pick for a guy some had ranked as a 1st rounder.
Reminds me of Randolph Morris with the Knicks :)
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It is hard to predict how much the team has improved, but it seems like we are in for a series of annual improvements rather than a series of annual ups & downs. I'll take it.
Yeah. And wasn't he released (or rumored so) due to being a disruptive presence. I don't see the Giants resigning him.
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There's probably a reason why DRC is still floating around out there.
Yeah. And wasn't he released (or rumored so) due to being a disruptive presence. I don't see the Giants resigning him.
It certainly appears that he was identified as one of the issues in the locker room. I don't see NYG contacting him either. I think that ship has sailed.
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Where you won't find one person who has a problem with this.
Kid has no off field issues and had the potential to be a first round pick next year. He fell behind in credits after promising his mom that he was going to graduate. He would have had to wait until August on an NCAA decision if they would have allowed him to be eligible.
Yes, but remember the "time value" of picks. At draft time, next year's pick in a round is thought to be less valuable than one in the the same round this year.
This is the same but in reverse. A 3rd round pick that can play THIS year should have more "value" than third rounder next year.
I mean compensation pick
He didn't enter it.
Beal wanted to remain in school and graduate. Apparently, something interfered with his eligibility, so he chose to go pro.
I'm wondering who your drug dealer is
The whole point of this exercise is that this roster is razor thin at CB. They're not moving a CB to safety. Who would even fit that job description?
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Another corner to safety, we can gain a supplemental fourth round pick by cutting Michael Thomas, a safety we signed as a free agent.
The whole point of this exercise is that this roster is razor thin at CB. They're not moving a CB to safety. Who would even fit that job description?
Isnt Curtis Riley originally a corner and being asked to play FS? I could certainly see a path to Thomas getting cut.
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Another corner to safety, we can gain a supplemental fourth round pick by cutting Michael Thomas, a safety we signed as a free agent.
The whole point of this exercise is that this roster is razor thin at CB. They're not moving a CB to safety. Who would even fit that job description?
Isnt Curtis Riley originally a corner and being asked to play FS? I could certainly see a path to Thomas getting cut.
I realize we need corners. The giants might have an ok corner who is better at safety. I would think its harder to find a quality corner than a safety.
His grade is his grade. Seems to be a consensus 1-3 quality pick depending on who you ask or who scouted him. If you are going to assume he wouldnt work out then you might as well assume Hernandez, Carter, and Hill wont as well.
That's because players as talented as Beal aren't usually available.
Based on what sample size? Most 3rd rounders in general don't work out and there frankly haven't been enough supplemental 3rds to draw that conclusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_supplemental_draft_picks - ( New Window )
The kid has cover skills. I haven't heard a thing about his special teams skills but I'd guess he SUCKS since he isn't a tackler. Does anyone have a clue on his ST's ability? I ask because to be active as a rookie he may need to play specials?
Not sure why they would do that. I think Thomas has a very good chance to play a bunch there this year and is automatically the best special teamer this team has.
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
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Gil Brandt
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
Thanks for that info
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Posted July 11, 2018 at 02:23 PM | Updated July 11, 2018 at 03:16 PM
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Western Michigan University's football team hosts Ball State06_d
Daytona Niles | Kalamazoo Gazette
By Matt Lombardo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
The Giants chose Western Michigan cornerback Sam Beal in the third round of the 2018 NFL Supplemental Draft on Wednesday, a somewhat surprising move, but one that further adds depth to the cornerback position.
Beal, 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds, has the combination of size and length that NFL defensive coordinators covet.
As a junior in 2017, Beal made 22 tackles with 2.0 tackles for loss, and intercepted two passes with 10 pass breakups.
In three seasons at Western Michigan, Beal totaled 92 tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss, and two interceptions.
The Giants have two established cornerbacks in Janoris Jenkins and Eli Apple slated to start on the outside, and signed Penn State's Grant Haley as an undrafted rookie free agent at a position group that also includes veterans Teddy Williams, B.W. Webb, William Gay, and plenty of opportunity for a young player such as Beal to make the team.
You can check out scouting reports, and highlights of Beal's collegiate career below:
Scouting Report - The Sporting News
A two-year starter at Western Michigan, Beal possess the ideal body type for a perimeter corner in todays NFL. He measures over 6-0 and showcases an ability to play in man, press and multiple zone coverages. He does not have great bulk; he weighed in at 190 pounds at his Pro Day after dropping from 190 pounds for better testing. He also does not engage with great physicality in coverage, and he needs to continue to build his upper-half strength. Beal, though, is a smooth athlete who turns and runs naturally, and he has the tools to be a long-term starter. At his Pro Day, he recorded a 4.47 40-yard dash, a 37-inch vertical and a 106 broad jump, all of which would have put him in the upper echelon of cornerbacks at the 2018 NFL Combine.
We're going all the way!
We have two CB's on this roster worth anything, and one of them (Eli Apple) can be a boom or bust guy this year - we just don't know yet.
If Beal can cover, he'll see nickel duty and learn as he plays. We simply lack talent at CB and he has talent. I hope he flourishes as a rookie.
It is a smart move...they should take advantage......so expect a heavy revolving door on the back end of the roster for the forseeable future....as none of us want to be in this spot again.
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
We lose our 2019 third round pick
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
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Did he play against the Badgers in the Bowl game?
Yeah.
What do you remember?
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Did he play against the Badgers in the Bowl game?
Yeah.
What do you remember?
Nada.
Here's the game though
All but #3rd round as far as I know. But picking 32nd each round sucks.
--If you expect, as I do, that the Giants will be drafting in the back end of each round next year, the Giants just basically used a late 3rd round pick in 2019 to grab a player of "early 3rd round pick value" (based on their use of the 3rd pick in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft) who will play for them in 2018. I'm guessing there will be a follow up on Thursday (if not already) that tells us how many other teams put in 3rd round bids. If the Giants were the only team (which I doubt) it could be said that maybe the Giants overvalued him; on the other hand, if we hear of several teams that put in 3rd round bids (including the teams with the more impressive personnel departments like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England) it will look more like the steal we're hoping it turns out to be.
--Do three thirds equal one Pro Bowl player? The Giants added three early third round picks (Carter, Hill, Beal) to the defense in one offseason (which harkens back to the 1986 draft when they added four 2nd round picks: Mark Collins, Erik Howard, Pepper Johnson, and Greg Lasker). If just one of the three turned out to be a Pro Bowl player and the other two were busts, would that be good enough? What if they got three starters out of it, but no stars, would that be better than one star and two busts? How about one Pro Bowl player, one starter, and a valued role player? What must Gettleman achieve with these three picks in order to win your respect and admiration?
It would suffice us if..... - ( New Window )
Heisenberg : 7/11/2018 4:30 pm : link : reply
but let's hope he is an exception.
Especially when compared to regular draft picks. There have been 43 players selected in the draft and their average length of playing service is 1.7 times the league average.
It produced 1 HoF player, Cris Carter in the 4th round! Out of those 43 players, 8 made it to Pro Bowls and out of those 8, only 3 were 1st round picks.
This doesn't even count the Supplemental Draft from the USFL that resulted in 4 HoF players being selected (including the giants selection of Gary Zimmerman)
And where do the Super Bowl winners USUALLY go? The White House (Will Hernandez).
We're winning the Super Bowl. Mark it down. :)
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The seventh is conditional, and we got an extra seventh from the Rams in the Ogletree trade.