Based on what sample size? Most 3rd rounders in general don't work out and there frankly haven't been enough supplemental 3rds to draw that conclusion.
No way Beal was going to make it to the 4th round.
The kid has cover skills. I haven't heard a thing about his special teams skills but I'd guess he SUCKS since he isn't a tackler. Does anyone have a clue on his ST's ability? I ask because to be active as a rookie he may need to play specials?
Another corner to safety, we can gain a supplemental fourth round pick by cutting Michael Thomas, a safety we signed as a free agent.
Not sure why they would do that. I think Thomas has a very good chance to play a bunch there this year and is automatically the best special teamer this team has.
I think this was a great move. It can't hurt to pick up a guy who Â
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
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Posted July 11, 2018 at 02:23 PM | Updated July 11, 2018 at 03:16 PM
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Western Michigan University's football team hosts Ball State06_d
Daytona Niles | Kalamazoo Gazette
By Matt Lombardo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
The Giants chose Western Michigan cornerback Sam Beal in the third round of the 2018 NFL Supplemental Draft on Wednesday, a somewhat surprising move, but one that further adds depth to the cornerback position.
Beal, 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds, has the combination of size and length that NFL defensive coordinators covet.
As a junior in 2017, Beal made 22 tackles with 2.0 tackles for loss, and intercepted two passes with 10 pass breakups.
In three seasons at Western Michigan, Beal totaled 92 tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss, and two interceptions.
The Giants have two established cornerbacks in Janoris Jenkins and Eli Apple slated to start on the outside, and signed Penn State's Grant Haley as an undrafted rookie free agent at a position group that also includes veterans Teddy Williams, B.W. Webb, William Gay, and plenty of opportunity for a young player such as Beal to make the team.
You can check out scouting reports, and highlights of Beal's collegiate career below:
Scouting Report - The Sporting News
A two-year starter at Western Michigan, Beal possess the ideal body type for a perimeter corner in today’s NFL. He measures over 6-0 and showcases an ability to play in man, press and multiple zone coverages. He does not have great bulk; he weighed in at 190 pounds at his Pro Day after dropping from 190 pounds for better testing. He also does not engage with great physicality in coverage, and he needs to continue to build his upper-half strength. Beal, though, is a smooth athlete who turns and runs naturally, and he has the tools to be a long-term starter. At his Pro Day, he recorded a 4.47 40-yard dash, a 37-inch vertical and a 10’6 broad jump, all of which would have put him in the upper echelon of cornerbacks at the 2018 NFL Combine.
As an aside - just another way the NCAA screws these guys Â
We will have the #2 spot in waiver wire the rest of off season as well....and if we keep losing in start of the season.
It is a smart move...they should take advantage......so expect a heavy revolving door on the back end of the roster for the forseeable future....as none of us want to be in this spot again.
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
as long as McIntosh is healthy by camp & impresses I believe we will be supremely happy despite not taking a Corner.
and your criteria for the comment is ....? Given that we have zero to go on in his "camp". Nuggets appreciated, draft pundits....eh?
Barkley, HERNANDEZ and BJ Hill may all be rookie starters. We, of course, won't be able to truly grade this draft for a few years but early reports look good.
--It's true he missed all the offseason stuff, but as a CB, they should still be able to carve out a piece of the playbook for him to learn as part of nickel and/or dime defenses. He doesn't need to know the whole playbook in order to have a role on game day.
--If you expect, as I do, that the Giants will be drafting in the back end of each round next year, the Giants just basically used a late 3rd round pick in 2019 to grab a player of "early 3rd round pick value" (based on their use of the 3rd pick in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft) who will play for them in 2018. I'm guessing there will be a follow up on Thursday (if not already) that tells us how many other teams put in 3rd round bids. If the Giants were the only team (which I doubt) it could be said that maybe the Giants overvalued him; on the other hand, if we hear of several teams that put in 3rd round bids (including the teams with the more impressive personnel departments like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England) it will look more like the steal we're hoping it turns out to be.
--Do three thirds equal one Pro Bowl player? The Giants added three early third round picks (Carter, Hill, Beal) to the defense in one offseason (which harkens back to the 1986 draft when they added four 2nd round picks: Mark Collins, Erik Howard, Pepper Johnson, and Greg Lasker). If just one of the three turned out to be a Pro Bowl player and the other two were busts, would that be good enough? What if they got three starters out of it, but no stars, would that be better than one star and two busts? How about one Pro Bowl player, one starter, and a valued role player? What must Gettleman achieve with these three picks in order to win your respect and admiration? It would suffice us if..... - ( New Window )
but I don't feel like the Giants "lost" or ("forfeited" as Patti put it) their 2019 3rd round pick. I feel like they were given an advantage and opportunity to jump to the head of the draft and use it early. I feel like "lost" and (even more so) "forfeited" implies it's gone and you got nothing. This is more like "I lost my wallet while I was lifting up my Ed McMahon check". At worst, we didn't forfeit the pick, but, rather, we traded it for an extra 2018 selection.
These picks don't usually work out
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but let's hope he is an exception.
Especially when compared to regular draft picks. There have been 43 players selected in the draft and their average length of playing service is 1.7 times the league average.
It produced 1 HoF player, Cris Carter in the 4th round! Out of those 43 players, 8 made it to Pro Bowls and out of those 8, only 3 were 1st round picks.
This doesn't even count the Supplemental Draft from the USFL that resulted in 4 HoF players being selected (including the giants selection of Gary Zimmerman)
Do you think it's a coincidence that Saquon Barkley and Sam Beal have Â
Based on what sample size? Most 3rd rounders in general don't work out and there frankly haven't been enough supplemental 3rds to draw that conclusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_supplemental_draft_picks - ( New Window )
The kid has cover skills. I haven't heard a thing about his special teams skills but I'd guess he SUCKS since he isn't a tackler. Does anyone have a clue on his ST's ability? I ask because to be active as a rookie he may need to play specials?
Not sure why they would do that. I think Thomas has a very good chance to play a bunch there this year and is automatically the best special teamer this team has.
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
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Pro day numbers for Beal:
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 178
40: 4.47/4.55
Vertical: 37
Broad: 10-6
Short shuttle: 4.09
3-cone: 7.11
Bench: DNP
178 is very light. All those numbers are comparable to Apple, except for the fact that he weighed 199.
6'1 frame should be able to add 8-12 pounds with little loss of speed...4-6 though camp at least that'll likely be muscle. If he doesn't pick up the D quickly, he'll likely sub and nickel; if he does the extra weight will help.
He played at 190. He lost weight for his athletic tests.
Thanks for that info
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Posted July 11, 2018 at 02:23 PM | Updated July 11, 2018 at 03:16 PM
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Western Michigan University's football team hosts Ball State06_d
Daytona Niles | Kalamazoo Gazette
By Matt Lombardo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
The Giants chose Western Michigan cornerback Sam Beal in the third round of the 2018 NFL Supplemental Draft on Wednesday, a somewhat surprising move, but one that further adds depth to the cornerback position.
Beal, 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds, has the combination of size and length that NFL defensive coordinators covet.
As a junior in 2017, Beal made 22 tackles with 2.0 tackles for loss, and intercepted two passes with 10 pass breakups.
In three seasons at Western Michigan, Beal totaled 92 tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss, and two interceptions.
The Giants have two established cornerbacks in Janoris Jenkins and Eli Apple slated to start on the outside, and signed Penn State's Grant Haley as an undrafted rookie free agent at a position group that also includes veterans Teddy Williams, B.W. Webb, William Gay, and plenty of opportunity for a young player such as Beal to make the team.
You can check out scouting reports, and highlights of Beal's collegiate career below:
Scouting Report - The Sporting News
A two-year starter at Western Michigan, Beal possess the ideal body type for a perimeter corner in today’s NFL. He measures over 6-0 and showcases an ability to play in man, press and multiple zone coverages. He does not have great bulk; he weighed in at 190 pounds at his Pro Day after dropping from 190 pounds for better testing. He also does not engage with great physicality in coverage, and he needs to continue to build his upper-half strength. Beal, though, is a smooth athlete who turns and runs naturally, and he has the tools to be a long-term starter. At his Pro Day, he recorded a 4.47 40-yard dash, a 37-inch vertical and a 10’6 broad jump, all of which would have put him in the upper echelon of cornerbacks at the 2018 NFL Combine.
We're going all the way!
We have two CB's on this roster worth anything, and one of them (Eli Apple) can be a boom or bust guy this year - we just don't know yet.
If Beal can cover, he'll see nickel duty and learn as he plays. We simply lack talent at CB and he has talent. I hope he flourishes as a rookie.
It is a smart move...they should take advantage......so expect a heavy revolving door on the back end of the roster for the forseeable future....as none of us want to be in this spot again.
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
We lose our 2019 third round pick
On the other hand second team MAC is not exactly a tremendous endorsement. The three first team Cbs were a fifth round pick,UDFA, and mini campy invite.
I'm disappointed that we didn't pick a DB in the draft, but I'm reserving judgement on this move.
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Did he play against the Badgers in the Bowl game?
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What do you remember?
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Did he play against the Badgers in the Bowl game?
Yeah.
What do you remember?
Nada.
Here's the game though
All but #3rd round as far as I know. But picking 32nd each round sucks.
--If you expect, as I do, that the Giants will be drafting in the back end of each round next year, the Giants just basically used a late 3rd round pick in 2019 to grab a player of "early 3rd round pick value" (based on their use of the 3rd pick in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft) who will play for them in 2018. I'm guessing there will be a follow up on Thursday (if not already) that tells us how many other teams put in 3rd round bids. If the Giants were the only team (which I doubt) it could be said that maybe the Giants overvalued him; on the other hand, if we hear of several teams that put in 3rd round bids (including the teams with the more impressive personnel departments like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England) it will look more like the steal we're hoping it turns out to be.
--Do three thirds equal one Pro Bowl player? The Giants added three early third round picks (Carter, Hill, Beal) to the defense in one offseason (which harkens back to the 1986 draft when they added four 2nd round picks: Mark Collins, Erik Howard, Pepper Johnson, and Greg Lasker). If just one of the three turned out to be a Pro Bowl player and the other two were busts, would that be good enough? What if they got three starters out of it, but no stars, would that be better than one star and two busts? How about one Pro Bowl player, one starter, and a valued role player? What must Gettleman achieve with these three picks in order to win your respect and admiration?
It would suffice us if..... - ( New Window )
Heisenberg : 7/11/2018 4:30 pm : link : reply
but let's hope he is an exception.
Especially when compared to regular draft picks. There have been 43 players selected in the draft and their average length of playing service is 1.7 times the league average.
It produced 1 HoF player, Cris Carter in the 4th round! Out of those 43 players, 8 made it to Pro Bowls and out of those 8, only 3 were 1st round picks.
This doesn't even count the Supplemental Draft from the USFL that resulted in 4 HoF players being selected (including the giants selection of Gary Zimmerman)
And where do the Super Bowl winners USUALLY go? The White House (Will Hernandez).
We're winning the Super Bowl. Mark it down. :)
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The seventh is conditional, and we got an extra seventh from the Rams in the Ogletree trade.