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sources: yankees have made a strong offer for manny machado. haven't heard they are the favorite, but they are clearly a player at this point. @Ken_Rosenthal said there was "increased" interest from NYY a couple days ago.
I really wouldn't, honestly. Plus, if Machado is insistent on playing SS, what happens to Didi and who plays 3B? He's arb eligible next year and then he's a FA, so I guess they could move him if they really wanted to but I'm just not sure it makes sense to waste a chip like Andujar on a rental.
I really think if the Yankees are going to make a significant move, it should be for a starter. Just get Gleyber and Gary back and there's plenty of firepower in the lineup. Machado doesn't seem necessary to me.
he wants to be paid as much as possible, so thats how hes angling for it. He really isnt a good SS and Im guessing his position suddenly wont matter once he signs somehwhere.
I don't think it's noise, I think he wants to play SS. He's played there all year this year. I don't think he'll refuse to play if someone asks him to play 3B - which is really where he should play - but I think that's where he'd prefer to play.
Didi is better, so if Machado is traded here, he's going to have to play 3B and I doubt he'll complain.
I just don't think it's the right move to make. I guess we'll find out what the "strong offer" was soon enough.
- Good news first... Gleyber and Judge are both good with RISP.
- Bad news... Six of the team's regulars are batting .231 or lower with RISP.
- Gardy is batting .250, but with a putrid OPS of less than .700
- Stanton leads the team in hits, but bats 88(!) points lower with RISP as opposed to with the bases empty.
- Didi and Andujar are also batting at least 75 points lower with RISP.
- Sanchez and Hicks have low BAs with RISP, but still solid OPS.
(As a comparison, Boston has 4 of the AL's top 9 OPS hitters with RISP.)
I really dislike when I see other people speculate out of whole cloth:
There is something about the Machado talk that makes me suspect the fine hand of Levine
There is something about that jerk that thinks putting pressure on existing players and Cashman to perform produces results.
"hey Hal, I got a call from xxx. We just swapped ideas. Man I think we are close this year. And if we pick up attendance even 1500 a game it pays for itself. xxx must have leaked it to the papers"
Everyone who says "trade Andujar for a starter" is assuming there is a deal for a good starter worth making. I've said from the beginning that I'm not sure there is one. If the best they can do it shore up the back end like they did with Jaime Garcia last year, they can do that with guys they're going to lose to Rule V anyway.
since he is a free agent, and you can't get a draft pick if a guy leaves after you trade at the deadline anymore, the offers for Machado probably arent anywhere near what we think they should be.
If teams believe he's going to sign with Yankees or elsewhere, they probably arent willing to let go of top prospects for only 3 months of a player.
Frazier is a very good prospect, too. German's era doesn't look good but his swing and miss % and the stuff that he has you can see why another team would like him a lot
Wade is a possibility. Or Drury. Or someone not even on the radar right now.
I dont think Didi will age all that well and think the Yanks will have gotten his best years out of him and they are going to have to make some tough decisions and he will be a guy I think they will let leave and take the draft pick
I don't think paying 30 year old Didi a ton of money when they will have to start paying other guys shortly after that will be a smart business decision.
Yeah. Greg went off on Romine maybe last week because the backup catcher was starting to suck pretty bad. To your point, he's been better over the past few games and it coincides with Greg's rant.
a Machado trade? I saw numerous reports saying that the Orioles wanted Sheffield but thats all. I dont see the value of trading Sheffield for Manny.
heyman reporting orioles and yankees are talking after strong offer from yankees and no roadblocks from ownership that says orioles will not trade him to yabkees...
this feels a lot like stanton where no one believed it and cashman swooped kn and got it done
"#Orioles remain in talks on Machado, sources tell The Athletic. #Yankees interest described as serious - @JonHeyman reported strong offer by NYY. #Dodgers, #Brewers also serious, while #DBacks, #Phillies staying in touch; PHI contact reported earlier by @JimBowdenGM." Link - ( New Window )
I know the title of this article is Manny 'liking'
a picture of himself in a Yankees uniform on Instagram. But I found it more interesting that the O's will be playing the Yanks in Yankee Stadium on 7/31; the day of the trade deadline. Boy oh boy, if this actually happens.. Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: I don't understand that Machado trade without another trade
you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.
You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.
Sure, that wasn't really my point though. Bench and AAA could be used in the same vein there. Either player is too big of an asset at this point where you have to move them or you play them every day in the majors. Guys in the running for rookie of the year do not get sent down to the minors. Didi with a WAR of 2.4 same as Machado can't ride the bench.
imo, there is only two ways Machado significantly helps them and that is if they have the outline of a trade for a good SP worked out already. Or its a straight line Machado for Andujar trade. ( which is a lot to pay for a rental unless you know both parties are amenable after that)
If Machado plays 3B (and could play SS) then they added a much better OBP player and a better fielder who can play either position.
Mike Francessa arguing they are two right handed misses two things:
1) They have some guys who can hit either righties or lefties and who can hit opposite field ( Sanchez, Judge, Stanton)
2) Its harder to shift for right handers especially with a men on the bases already.
Id honestly like them to get 2 SP for just depth and a left handed RP. If they did then pen arms are fresh ( rememeber they have a very condensed schedule the rest of the way without many days off) and they can pace German, Loasiga and Sheffield.
Most importantly with 2sp and 1 more Rp ( even if one is pure depth) then they go into the offseason in very good shape.
All that said, there is something about the Machado noise that strikes a false note...either signaling him, driving the price up or getting other trade targets to the table.
Of and by itself, without other trades, it does not strike me that such a trade wins the East this year. imo
you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.
You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.
Sure, that wasn't really my point though. Bench and AAA could be used in the same vein there. Either player is too big of an asset at this point where you have to move them or you play them every day in the majors. Guys in the running for rookie of the year do not get sent down to the minors. Didi with a WAR of 2.4 same as Machado can't ride the bench.
You said it only makes sense if Andujar is traded. Well, that is not true. And AAA os not the same as being on the bench. He'll continue to play at AAA. Machado is a half year rental at the point so Andujar can be insurance if Machado doesn't sign a long term deal here or Andujar can be used to get a SP in the offseason/next year. Nothing HAS to be done right now in terms of trading him. The SP market is weak right now. I'd rather hang onto Andujar as insurance instead of just dumping him for a SP that seems like a shitty SP at this moment based on who is available.
Now, if it were up to me I wouldn't trade for Machado in the first place but if they do that doesn't mean Andujar has to be traded immediately or even this year. Relax.
It's fun for me to try and think along with Cashman
from now until the trade deadline. Here's what I think is happening.
He thinks it's highly unlikely he can trade for a difference making pitcher at a price he's willing to live with.
It's likely he can trade for an innings eater who is league average at best without giving up much more than rule 5 guys who they won't protect. But that won't impact the post season.
He thinks Machado can impact the division race and the post season and the long term. He upgrades the defense at 3B upgrades the offense at 3B and doesn't strike out much.
Driving up the price helps the Orioles so that's not his goal. But driving up the price will eliminate the Red Sox because they're out of trade chips. Eliminating the Red Sox is probably much more important to him than the Orioles getting a few better players.
The Yankees literally could trade for any player in baseball if they wanted to. No team has more trade chips between MLB and MiLB. But that means making everyone available in trades which the Yankees wouldn't and shouldn't do.
It must be fun to be Brian Cashman even with all the pressure that comes with the job.
Forget the pitching - why are we not pounding scrub pitchers ?
Forget the pitching - why are we not pounding scrub pitchers ?
Exactly. Everyone is talking about our pitching, our hitting especially with RISP is not good. Hopefully Bird is in a groove now.
No negative Nancies in this thread please. We need to give Sonny some rope. Dude is signed to infinity, so we need him to do well. Come on Sonny!
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sources: yankees have made a strong offer for manny machado. haven't heard they are the favorite, but they are clearly a player at this point. @Ken_Rosenthal said there was "increased" interest from NYY a couple days ago.
No. You trade Andujar for a pitcher and just sign Machado in the offseason.
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I really wonder what a "strong offer" means...
No. You trade Andujar for a pitcher and just sign Machado in the offseason.
I tend to agree. I wonder what Cash is thinking.
I really wouldn't, honestly. Plus, if Machado is insistent on playing SS, what happens to Didi and who plays 3B? He's arb eligible next year and then he's a FA, so I guess they could move him if they really wanted to but I'm just not sure it makes sense to waste a chip like Andujar on a rental.
I really think if the Yankees are going to make a significant move, it should be for a starter. Just get Gleyber and Gary back and there's plenty of firepower in the lineup. Machado doesn't seem necessary to me.
Didi is better, so if Machado is traded here, he's going to have to play 3B and I doubt he'll complain.
I just don't think it's the right move to make. I guess we'll find out what the "strong offer" was soon enough.
- Good news first... Gleyber and Judge are both good with RISP.
- Bad news... Six of the team's regulars are batting .231 or lower with RISP.
- Gardy is batting .250, but with a putrid OPS of less than .700
- Stanton leads the team in hits, but bats 88(!) points lower with RISP as opposed to with the bases empty.
- Didi and Andujar are also batting at least 75 points lower with RISP.
- Sanchez and Hicks have low BAs with RISP, but still solid OPS.
(As a comparison, Boston has 4 of the AL's top 9 OPS hitters with RISP.)
There is something about the Machado talk that makes me suspect the fine hand of Levine
There is something about that jerk that thinks putting pressure on existing players and Cashman to perform produces results.
"hey Hal, I got a call from xxx. We just swapped ideas. Man I think we are close this year. And if we pick up attendance even 1500 a game it pays for itself. xxx must have leaked it to the papers"
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I really wonder what a "strong offer" means...
No. You trade Andujar for a pitcher and just sign Machado in the offseason.
I tend to agree. I wonder what Cash is thinking.
They would absolutely have to offer Devers and they won't do that.
crappy baserunning saved the double play...I presume you are talking about Gardner.
Actually it was a crappy fielding play, that was an easy DP.
C'mon, guys, you're better than that!
And I still think Tanaka was more unlucky than not pitching great yesterday. I think he looked really good.
Can Baltimore be that stupid?
I agree but if thats all it takes somehow its a no brainer for the Yanks
So where does Machado play? Unless Cash also has a deal with Andujar for a starter lined up
If teams believe he's going to sign with Yankees or elsewhere, they probably arent willing to let go of top prospects for only 3 months of a player.
Frazier is a very good prospect, too. German's era doesn't look good but his swing and miss % and the stuff that he has you can see why another team would like him a lot
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He's said he won't.
Wade is a possibility. Or Drury. Or someone not even on the radar right now.
I dont think Didi will age all that well and think the Yanks will have gotten his best years out of him and they are going to have to make some tough decisions and he will be a guy I think they will let leave and take the draft pick
Also, I don't think the money works.
I don't think paying 30 year old Didi a ton of money when they will have to start paying other guys shortly after that will be a smart business decision.
I'd be fine moving on from Didi and moving Torres to SS - Drury can play 2B, that's really his position.
But I still don't understand how it works with Andujar if he's not part of a deal for Machado. There's nowhere to put him.
Unless they trade Didi and keep Andujar. Seems the smarter move, imo.
I'd be fine moving on from Didi and moving Torres to SS - Drury can play 2B, that's really his position.
But I still don't understand how it works with Andujar if he's not part of a deal for Machado. There's nowhere to put him.
Andujar goes to the Mets along with Estrada, Sheffield and Chance Adams for DeGrom of course...
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Machado just wants SS money - that's why he's saying that. Obviously he'll play 3B here.
I'd be fine moving on from Didi and moving Torres to SS - Drury can play 2B, that's really his position.
But I still don't understand how it works with Andujar if he's not part of a deal for Machado. There's nowhere to put him.
Andujar goes to the Mets along with Estrada, Sheffield and Chance Adams for DeGrom of course...
"We need Frazier and Florial in there otherwise it's a no go!"
- Mets FO
Maybe Road Gray is back. I'll take that at this point - better than the always shitty version we've had lately.
Kicking the shit out of this team like we should be.
I think Greg gave him a kick in the ass.
Our Greg.. Greg from LI (even though he has long since left the island if I remember right)
Yeah. Greg went off on Romine maybe last week because the backup catcher was starting to suck pretty bad. To your point, he's been better over the past few games and it coincides with Greg's rant.
Sadly, there are people who post on this forum who probably truly believe that.
Half of what I say goes over people's head. I could stand to be more clear.
He looked pretty locked in tonight. You can see him jumping on pitches in way that he wasn't earlier in the year.
heyman reporting orioles and yankees are talking after strong offer from yankees and no roadblocks from ownership that says orioles will not trade him to yabkees...
this feels a lot like stanton where no one believed it and cashman swooped kn and got it done
You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.
Was watching the MASN broadcast and Jim Palmer noted that Gray is now 3-0 against the O's.
Maybe the Yanks should get a sports shrink/hypnotist to convince Gray that every team he is facing is the Os.
Can't be easy managing the Yanks with all the pressure.
"#Orioles remain in talks on Machado, sources tell The Athletic. #Yankees interest described as serious - @JonHeyman reported strong offer by NYY. #Dodgers, #Brewers also serious, while #DBacks, #Phillies staying in touch; PHI contact reported earlier by @JimBowdenGM."
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you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.
You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.
Sure, that wasn't really my point though. Bench and AAA could be used in the same vein there. Either player is too big of an asset at this point where you have to move them or you play them every day in the majors. Guys in the running for rookie of the year do not get sent down to the minors. Didi with a WAR of 2.4 same as Machado can't ride the bench.
If Machado plays 3B (and could play SS) then they added a much better OBP player and a better fielder who can play either position.
Mike Francessa arguing they are two right handed misses two things:
1) They have some guys who can hit either righties or lefties and who can hit opposite field ( Sanchez, Judge, Stanton)
2) Its harder to shift for right handers especially with a men on the bases already.
Id honestly like them to get 2 SP for just depth and a left handed RP. If they did then pen arms are fresh ( rememeber they have a very condensed schedule the rest of the way without many days off) and they can pace German, Loasiga and Sheffield.
Most importantly with 2sp and 1 more Rp ( even if one is pure depth) then they go into the offseason in very good shape.
All that said, there is something about the Machado noise that strikes a false note...either signaling him, driving the price up or getting other trade targets to the table.
Of and by itself, without other trades, it does not strike me that such a trade wins the East this year. imo
Can't be easy managing the Yanks with all the pressure.
I like Boone but he's brought some of that on himself with a few head scratching moves that lost them games IMO.
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you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.
You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.
Sure, that wasn't really my point though. Bench and AAA could be used in the same vein there. Either player is too big of an asset at this point where you have to move them or you play them every day in the majors. Guys in the running for rookie of the year do not get sent down to the minors. Didi with a WAR of 2.4 same as Machado can't ride the bench.
You said it only makes sense if Andujar is traded. Well, that is not true. And AAA os not the same as being on the bench. He'll continue to play at AAA. Machado is a half year rental at the point so Andujar can be insurance if Machado doesn't sign a long term deal here or Andujar can be used to get a SP in the offseason/next year. Nothing HAS to be done right now in terms of trading him. The SP market is weak right now. I'd rather hang onto Andujar as insurance instead of just dumping him for a SP that seems like a shitty SP at this moment based on who is available.
Now, if it were up to me I wouldn't trade for Machado in the first place but if they do that doesn't mean Andujar has to be traded immediately or even this year. Relax.
He thinks it's highly unlikely he can trade for a difference making pitcher at a price he's willing to live with.
It's likely he can trade for an innings eater who is league average at best without giving up much more than rule 5 guys who they won't protect. But that won't impact the post season.
He thinks Machado can impact the division race and the post season and the long term. He upgrades the defense at 3B upgrades the offense at 3B and doesn't strike out much.
Driving up the price helps the Orioles so that's not his goal. But driving up the price will eliminate the Red Sox because they're out of trade chips. Eliminating the Red Sox is probably much more important to him than the Orioles getting a few better players.
The Yankees literally could trade for any player in baseball if they wanted to. No team has more trade chips between MLB and MiLB. But that means making everyone available in trades which the Yankees wouldn't and shouldn't do.
It must be fun to be Brian Cashman even with all the pressure that comes with the job.