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adamg : 7/11/2018 5:05 pm
LF Gardner
DH Judge
SS Didi
RF Stanton
CF Hicks
1B Bird
3B Andujar
C Romine
2B Wade

And Gray on the mound. Let's split it boys! W time.
Yanks need to pound Baltimore pitchers  
averagejoe : 7/11/2018 5:12 pm : link
The reason for the losses to Orioles is Yanks can't hit the worst pitching staff in AL. With Gray on the mound Yanks will need double figures to win.

Forget the pitching - why are we not pounding scrub pitchers ?
RE: Yanks need to pound Baltimore pitchers  
mitch300 : 7/11/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14011146 averagejoe said:
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The reason for the losses to Orioles is Yanks can't hit the worst pitching staff in AL. With Gray on the mound Yanks will need double figures to win.

Forget the pitching - why are we not pounding scrub pitchers ?

Exactly. Everyone is talking about our pitching, our hitting especially with RISP is not good. Hopefully Bird is in a groove now.
Getting Sanchez and Torres back should help.  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 6:29 pm : link
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"I've got a  
PEEJ : 7/11/2018 6:38 pm : link
bad feeling about this "
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adamg : 7/11/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14011193 PEEJ said:
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bad feeling about this "


No negative Nancies in this thread please. We need to give Sonny some rope. Dude is signed to infinity, so we need him to do well. Come on Sonny!
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 6:47 pm : link
I have a feeling Gray is going to be on point tonight. Just a hunch. I think he'll give us 6+ and only give up a run or two max.
I wonder what this means  
adamg : 7/11/2018 6:52 pm : link
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sources: yankees have made a strong offer for manny machado. haven't heard they are the favorite, but they are clearly a player at this point. @Ken_Rosenthal said there was "increased" interest from NYY a couple days ago.
Would you trade Andujar for Manny straight up?  
adamg : 7/11/2018 6:52 pm : link
I really wonder what a "strong offer" means...
RE: Would you trade Andujar for Manny straight up?  
UConn4523 : 7/11/2018 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14011206 adamg said:
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I really wonder what a "strong offer" means...


No. You trade Andujar for a pitcher and just sign Machado in the offseason.
RE: RE: Would you trade Andujar for Manny straight up?  
adamg : 7/11/2018 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14011211 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14011206 adamg said:


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I really wonder what a "strong offer" means...



No. You trade Andujar for a pitcher and just sign Machado in the offseason.


I tend to agree. I wonder what Cash is thinking.
RE: Would you trade Andujar for Manny straight up?  
arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14011206 adamg said:
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I really wonder what a "strong offer" means...


I really wouldn't, honestly. Plus, if Machado is insistent on playing SS, what happens to Didi and who plays 3B? He's arb eligible next year and then he's a FA, so I guess they could move him if they really wanted to but I'm just not sure it makes sense to waste a chip like Andujar on a rental.

I really think if the Yankees are going to make a significant move, it should be for a starter. Just get Gleyber and Gary back and there's plenty of firepower in the lineup. Machado doesn't seem necessary to me.
There's a lot of buzz at this point.  
Heisenberg : 7/11/2018 7:02 pm : link
Feels like it may really happen now.
If Cash is looking this way, it's probably a reaction to a desert dry  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 7:03 pm : link
pitching market.
Machado and SS is noise  
UConn4523 : 7/11/2018 7:07 pm : link
he wants to be paid as much as possible, so thats how hes angling for it. He really isnt a good SS and Im guessing his position suddenly wont matter once he signs somehwhere.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 7:14 pm : link
I don't think it's noise, I think he wants to play SS. He's played there all year this year. I don't think he'll refuse to play if someone asks him to play 3B - which is really where he should play - but I think that's where he'd prefer to play.

Didi is better, so if Machado is traded here, he's going to have to play 3B and I doubt he'll complain.

I just don't think it's the right move to make. I guess we'll find out what the "strong offer" was soon enough.
Situational hitting is a problem with the team.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 7:15 pm : link
Some of these BAs and OPS with RISP are pitiful.

- Good news first... Gleyber and Judge are both good with RISP.
- Bad news... Six of the team's regulars are batting .231 or lower with RISP.
- Gardy is batting .250, but with a putrid OPS of less than .700
- Stanton leads the team in hits, but bats 88(!) points lower with RISP as opposed to with the bases empty.
- Didi and Andujar are also batting at least 75 points lower with RISP.
- Sanchez and Hicks have low BAs with RISP, but still solid OPS.

(As a comparison, Boston has 4 of the AL's top 9 OPS hitters with RISP.)
Please pitch well Sonny.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 7:19 pm : link
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The more Mike Francesa  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2018 7:21 pm : link
rails against the idea of trading for Machado, the more likely it is that we do it and he wins the World Series MVP award.
This is the kind of completely made up post  
Bill2 : 7/11/2018 7:33 pm : link
I really dislike when I see other people speculate out of whole cloth:

There is something about the Machado talk that makes me suspect the fine hand of Levine

There is something about that jerk that thinks putting pressure on existing players and Cashman to perform produces results.

"hey Hal, I got a call from xxx. We just swapped ideas. Man I think we are close this year. And if we pick up attendance even 1500 a game it pays for itself. xxx must have leaked it to the papers"
Bill Madden says we have not offered Sheffield.  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2018 7:35 pm : link
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Yankee batters  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2018 7:36 pm : link
just flailing.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 7:48 pm : link
Huge strikeout. Gotta get out of this.
Zero runs allowed thru 2 innings for Sonny...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 7:50 pm : link
that's improvement.
RE: RE: RE: Would you trade Andujar for Manny straight up?  
Beer Man : 7/11/2018 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14011213 adamg said:
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In comment 14011206 adamg said:


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I really wonder what a "strong offer" means...



No. You trade Andujar for a pitcher and just sign Machado in the offseason.



I tend to agree. I wonder what Cash is thinking.
I'm guessing one of the factors for making this trade is to keep Manny away from the Red Sox.
Crappy hitting with RISP and crappy base-running...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 8:00 pm : link
superb.
We'll take it...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 8:01 pm : link
1-0 Yanks.
BIRD!  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2018 8:08 pm : link
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GREG BIRDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 8:08 pm : link
5-0
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 8:09 pm : link
That's why you stick with Birdy :)
Nice.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/11/2018 8:09 pm : link
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Greg Bird!!  
dune69 : 7/11/2018 8:09 pm : link
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BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 8:09 pm : link
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heyman says  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2018 8:10 pm : link
yankees and orioles are continueing to talk after strong offer from yankees...
jeez - I hate umps but that must hurt  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2018 8:11 pm : link
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the Red Sox  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 8:12 pm : link
don't have the ammo to get Manny unless they want to offer players on their major league roster.

BIRDMAN!  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:17 pm : link
Just got done with dinner. Saw the foul pole shot. Awesome! Bird seems to be turning on!
And Gray is looking like a pitcher again  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:18 pm : link
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RE: the Red Sox  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14011256 MookGiants said:
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don't have the ammo to get Manny unless they want to offer players on their major league roster.


They would absolutely have to offer Devers and they won't do that.
RE: Crappy hitting with RISP and crappy base-running...  
section125 : 7/11/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14011242 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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superb.


crappy baserunning saved the double play...I presume you are talking about Gardner.

Actually it was a crappy fielding play, that was an easy DP.
Tyler Wade!  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:22 pm : link
Hey now!
Wade showing something. Nice!  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 8:23 pm : link
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I will say this though  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2018 8:23 pm : link
Everyone who says "trade Andujar for a starter" is assuming there is a deal for a good starter worth making. I've said from the beginning that I'm not sure there is one. If the best they can do it shore up the back end like they did with Jaime Garcia last year, they can do that with guys they're going to lose to Rule V anyway.
Second and third no out, top of the order  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:26 pm : link
And nothing... that fucking sucks.
Awful to not score with 2nd and 3rd and no outs and the top of  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 8:27 pm : link
the lineup coming up.

C'mon, guys, you're better than that!
Gray looks like a different pitcher  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:32 pm : link
This is fantastic.

And I still think Tanaka was more unlucky than not pitching great yesterday. I think he looked really good.
Nice play by Sonny...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 8:33 pm : link
inning over.
Web gem worthy  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:33 pm : link
Great play Sonny
And Stanton with another multi hit game  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:36 pm : link
Can't deny he's in a zone
I would greatly appreciate beating up on a crappy reliever here  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2018 8:37 pm : link
for once
Stanton up to .272  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 8:37 pm : link
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Bird got fucked over a little that AB  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:40 pm : link
That strike two call was off the plate. Ruined the AB
Rumors on twitter  
BeckShepEli : 7/11/2018 8:43 pm : link
Its Machado and Britton for German, Frazier and Drury
have to believe  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 8:44 pm : link
that wouldn't be enough to get both of those guys.

Britton isn t the same guy  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2018 8:45 pm : link
Not interested in him
RE: Rumors on twitter  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/11/2018 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14011285 BeckShepEli said:
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Its Machado and Britton for German, Frazier and Drury


Can Baltimore be that stupid?
RE: have to believe  
BeckShepEli : 7/11/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14011288 MookGiants said:
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that wouldn't be enough to get both of those guys.


I agree but if thats all it takes somehow its a no brainer for the Yanks
RE: Rumors on twitter  
mfsd : 7/11/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14011285 BeckShepEli said:
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Its Machado and Britton for German, Frazier and Drury


So where does Machado play? Unless Cash also has a deal with Andujar for a starter lined up
What are "rumors on Twitter"?  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:51 pm : link
Is that the other people commenting? or like an actual writer?
although  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 8:52 pm : link
since he is a free agent, and you can't get a draft pick if a guy leaves after you trade at the deadline anymore, the offers for Machado probably arent anywhere near what we think they should be.

If teams believe he's going to sign with Yankees or elsewhere, they probably arent willing to let go of top prospects for only 3 months of a player.

Frazier is a very good prospect, too. German's era doesn't look good but his swing and miss % and the stuff that he has you can see why another team would like him a lot
Sonny with a statement game  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:55 pm : link
before the all star break. Good timing, Sonny.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 8:58 pm : link
Frazier, Drury, and German for Machado/Britton doesn't make much sense. Where does Andujar go?
Is Didi going somewhere?  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 8:58 pm : link
If we land Machado, who has said over and over he's a SS, then we still need 1-2 SP and to move Didi in a trade.
Tyler Wade with the PowerStick...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2018 8:58 pm : link
6-0
TYLER WADE!  
adamg : 7/11/2018 8:58 pm : link
He's been on fire this time round. Good for him.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 8:59 pm : link
Wade!

1st HR
Tyler with a big  
dune69 : 7/11/2018 8:59 pm : link
smile!!!!
Tyler with a big  
dune69 : 7/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
smile!!!!
Props to Boone  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
for finally benching Neil Walker for the kid. Hopefully we see more Wade success and less Walker in general.
some wont agree with me on this  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
but I think the Yankees should move on from Didi next offseason and put Torres at SS
And play who at 2B?  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2018 9:01 pm : link
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If the Yankees get Manny he'll play 3B  
arniefez : 7/11/2018 9:04 pm : link
He's a gold glove 3B.
RE: If the Yankees get Manny he'll play 3B  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14011311 arniefez said:
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He's a gold glove 3B.


He's said he won't.
RE: And play who at 2B?  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14011309 Greg from LI said:
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Wade is a possibility. Or Drury. Or someone not even on the radar right now.

I dont think Didi will age all that well and think the Yanks will have gotten his best years out of him and they are going to have to make some tough decisions and he will be a guy I think they will let leave and take the draft pick
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adamg : 7/11/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14011299 arcarsenal said:
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Frazier, Drury, and German for Machado/Britton doesn't make much sense. Where does Andujar go?


Also, I don't think the money works.
he can say all he wants  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 9:06 pm : link
if he gets traded to the Yankees his only place to play is 3B. His tune will change quickly
Didi will be 30  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 9:07 pm : link
in the offseason of 2019. It won't be easy but they can't pay all of these guys and he seems like a good candidate to let walk.
I don't get it  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:08 pm : link
He's a gold glove 3B and a mediocre SS. Why would he insist on being mediocre in the field?
I don't see how you can pencil Wade in as a starter  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2018 9:08 pm : link
And they've said repeatedly that they see Drury as a 3B, although who knows how committed they are to that
They have 18 months  
MookGiants : 7/11/2018 9:12 pm : link
to figure out who would play 2nd.

I don't think paying 30 year old Didi a ton of money when they will have to start paying other guys shortly after that will be a smart business decision.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 9:13 pm : link
Machado just wants SS money - that's why he's saying that. Obviously he'll play 3B here.

I'd be fine moving on from Didi and moving Torres to SS - Drury can play 2B, that's really his position.

But I still don't understand how it works with Andujar if he's not part of a deal for Machado. There's nowhere to put him.
RE: he can say all he wants  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14011315 MookGiants said:
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if he gets traded to the Yankees his only place to play is 3B. His tune will change quickly


Unless they trade Didi and keep Andujar. Seems the smarter move, imo.
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adamg : 7/11/2018 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14011321 arcarsenal said:
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Machado just wants SS money - that's why he's saying that. Obviously he'll play 3B here.

I'd be fine moving on from Didi and moving Torres to SS - Drury can play 2B, that's really his position.

But I still don't understand how it works with Andujar if he's not part of a deal for Machado. There's nowhere to put him.


Andujar goes to the Mets along with Estrada, Sheffield and Chance Adams for DeGrom of course...
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14011325 adamg said:
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In comment 14011321 arcarsenal said:


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Machado just wants SS money - that's why he's saying that. Obviously he'll play 3B here.

I'd be fine moving on from Didi and moving Torres to SS - Drury can play 2B, that's really his position.

But I still don't understand how it works with Andujar if he's not part of a deal for Machado. There's nowhere to put him.



Andujar goes to the Mets along with Estrada, Sheffield and Chance Adams for DeGrom of course...


"We need Frazier and Florial in there otherwise it's a no go!"

- Mets FO
Sonny!  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
Great game for him. This makes me feel good.
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Danny Kanell : 7/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
Man did Sonny need this tonight.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 9:26 pm : link
Sonny was even better than I thought - I was pretty close though. I think I said 6 innings, 1-2 runs. He did even better.

Maybe Road Gray is back. I'll take that at this point - better than the always shitty version we've had lately.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 9:29 pm : link
This is more like it.

Kicking the shit out of this team like we should be.
You cant stop Romine, you can only hope to contain him  
mfsd : 7/11/2018 9:32 pm : link
Lets trade Wally Pipp Sanchez while he still has value
Romine looks a lot better lately  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:32 pm : link
both behind the plate and at the plate.
RE: Romine looks a lot better lately  
dune69 : 7/11/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14011340 adamg said:
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both behind the plate and at the plate.


I think Greg gave him a kick in the ass.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 9:36 pm : link
Hah, I was going to say... Romine is probably pissed at Greg.
Greg?  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:38 pm : link
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Cole is dominating out of the pen  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:41 pm : link
That slider is good
RE: Greg?  
arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14011345 adamg said:
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Our Greg.. Greg from LI (even though he has long since left the island if I remember right)
RE: Greg?  
dune69 : 7/11/2018 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14011345 adamg said:
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Yeah. Greg went off on Romine maybe last week because the backup catcher was starting to suck pretty bad. To your point, he's been better over the past few games and it coincides with Greg's rant.
Oh  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:44 pm : link
Well everyone could use a Greg ass kicking at times...
Thanks  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:45 pm : link
Sorry that went over my head.
RE: You cant stop Romine, you can only hope to contain him  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14011339 mfsd said:
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Lets trade Wally Pipp Sanchez while he still has value


Sadly, there are people who post on this forum who probably truly believe that.
RE: Thanks  
dune69 : 7/11/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14011355 adamg said:
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Sorry that went over my head.


Half of what I say goes over people's head. I could stand to be more clear.
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arcarsenal : 7/11/2018 9:48 pm : link
Stanton just hits the ball so fucking violently.
114 MPH on that one  
adamg : 7/11/2018 9:48 pm : link
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Del Shofner : 7/11/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14011358 arcarsenal said:
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Stanton just hits the ball so fucking violently.


He looked pretty locked in tonight. You can see him jumping on pitches in way that he wasn't earlier in the year.
Up to .274 now.  
yatqb : 7/11/2018 10:14 pm : link
Hope Stanton's second half in like last year's.
Make that .276  
adamg : 7/11/2018 10:19 pm : link
4-5 with a walk. Great game.
Where are these rumors of  
mattyblue : 7/11/2018 10:26 pm : link
a Machado trade? I saw numerous reports saying that the Orioles wanted Sheffield but thats all. I dont see the value of trading Sheffield for Manny.
What a play by Didi.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/11/2018 10:26 pm : link
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Wow  
adamg : 7/11/2018 10:27 pm : link
That was unreal.
RE: Where are these rumors of  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2018 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14011378 mattyblue said:
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a Machado trade? I saw numerous reports saying that the Orioles wanted Sheffield but thats all. I dont see the value of trading Sheffield for Manny.


heyman reporting orioles and yankees are talking after strong offer from yankees and no roadblocks from ownership that says orioles will not trade him to yabkees...

this feels a lot like stanton where no one believed it and cashman swooped kn and got it done
Good win  
dune69 : 7/11/2018 10:32 pm : link
Let's stay tough until the all star break. I think our team needs a rest.
That was a great game  
adamg : 7/11/2018 10:32 pm : link
Nice to watch a laugher when Sonny's pitching.
I don't understand that Machado trade without another trade  
NoGainDayne : 7/11/2018 10:34 pm : link
you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.
RE: I don't understand that Machado trade without another trade  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2018 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14011391 NoGainDayne said:
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you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.


You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.
RE: That was a great game  
rich in DC : 7/11/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14011388 adamg said:
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Nice to watch a laugher when Sonny's pitching.


Was watching the MASN broadcast and Jim Palmer noted that Gray is now 3-0 against the O's.

Maybe the Yanks should get a sports shrink/hypnotist to convince Gray that every team he is facing is the Os.
watching the postgame presser, gotta say -  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2018 11:00 pm : link
Aaron Boone looks a few years older than he did in April.

Can't be easy managing the Yanks with all the pressure.
last 23 games  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2018 11:09 pm : link
Stanton @ .372 BA and 1.072 OPS.
Rosenthal on the Machado/Yanks situation  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/11/2018 11:36 pm : link
as of 30 mins ago:

"#Orioles remain in talks on Machado, sources tell The Athletic. #Yankees interest described as serious - @JonHeyman reported strong offer by NYY. #Dodgers, #Brewers also serious, while #DBacks, #Phillies staying in touch; PHI contact reported earlier by @JimBowdenGM."
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I know the title of this article is Manny 'liking'  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/12/2018 12:35 am : link
a picture of himself in a Yankees uniform on Instagram. But I found it more interesting that the O's will be playing the Yanks in Yankee Stadium on 7/31; the day of the trade deadline. Boy oh boy, if this actually happens..
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RE: RE: I don't understand that Machado trade without another trade  
NoGainDayne : 7/12/2018 12:47 am : link
In comment 14011403 robbieballs2003 said:
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you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.



You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.


Sure, that wasn't really my point though. Bench and AAA could be used in the same vein there. Either player is too big of an asset at this point where you have to move them or you play them every day in the majors. Guys in the running for rookie of the year do not get sent down to the minors. Didi with a WAR of 2.4 same as Machado can't ride the bench.
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Bill2 : 7/12/2018 6:16 am : link
imo, there is only two ways Machado significantly helps them and that is if they have the outline of a trade for a good SP worked out already. Or its a straight line Machado for Andujar trade. ( which is a lot to pay for a rental unless you know both parties are amenable after that)


If Machado plays 3B (and could play SS) then they added a much better OBP player and a better fielder who can play either position.

Mike Francessa arguing they are two right handed misses two things:

1) They have some guys who can hit either righties or lefties and who can hit opposite field ( Sanchez, Judge, Stanton)

2) Its harder to shift for right handers especially with a men on the bases already.


Id honestly like them to get 2 SP for just depth and a left handed RP. If they did then pen arms are fresh ( rememeber they have a very condensed schedule the rest of the way without many days off) and they can pace German, Loasiga and Sheffield.

Most importantly with 2sp and 1 more Rp ( even if one is pure depth) then they go into the offseason in very good shape.

All that said, there is something about the Machado noise that strikes a false note...either signaling him, driving the price up or getting other trade targets to the table.

Of and by itself, without other trades, it does not strike me that such a trade wins the East this year. imo
RE: watching the postgame presser, gotta say -  
Eman11 : 7/12/2018 6:54 am : link
In comment 14011407 Del Shofner said:
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Aaron Boone looks a few years older than he did in April.

Can't be easy managing the Yanks with all the pressure.


I like Boone but he's brought some of that on himself with a few head scratching moves that lost them games IMO.
RE: RE: RE: I don't understand that Machado trade without another trade  
robbieballs2003 : 7/12/2018 7:56 am : link
In comment 14011432 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 14011391 NoGainDayne said:


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you have to move Andujar or Didi if you get him. Can't have either sit on the bench.



You don't have to move either guy. You can send Andujar down to AAA and bring him back up when rosters expand.



Sure, that wasn't really my point though. Bench and AAA could be used in the same vein there. Either player is too big of an asset at this point where you have to move them or you play them every day in the majors. Guys in the running for rookie of the year do not get sent down to the minors. Didi with a WAR of 2.4 same as Machado can't ride the bench.


You said it only makes sense if Andujar is traded. Well, that is not true. And AAA os not the same as being on the bench. He'll continue to play at AAA. Machado is a half year rental at the point so Andujar can be insurance if Machado doesn't sign a long term deal here or Andujar can be used to get a SP in the offseason/next year. Nothing HAS to be done right now in terms of trading him. The SP market is weak right now. I'd rather hang onto Andujar as insurance instead of just dumping him for a SP that seems like a shitty SP at this moment based on who is available.

Now, if it were up to me I wouldn't trade for Machado in the first place but if they do that doesn't mean Andujar has to be traded immediately or even this year. Relax.
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arniefez : 7/12/2018 7:59 am : link
from now until the trade deadline. Here's what I think is happening.

He thinks it's highly unlikely he can trade for a difference making pitcher at a price he's willing to live with.

It's likely he can trade for an innings eater who is league average at best without giving up much more than rule 5 guys who they won't protect. But that won't impact the post season.

He thinks Machado can impact the division race and the post season and the long term. He upgrades the defense at 3B upgrades the offense at 3B and doesn't strike out much.

Driving up the price helps the Orioles so that's not his goal. But driving up the price will eliminate the Red Sox because they're out of trade chips. Eliminating the Red Sox is probably much more important to him than the Orioles getting a few better players.

The Yankees literally could trade for any player in baseball if they wanted to. No team has more trade chips between MLB and MiLB. But that means making everyone available in trades which the Yankees wouldn't and shouldn't do.

It must be fun to be Brian Cashman even with all the pressure that comes with the job.
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