Does not include Sheffield, whom the O's are claimed to covet.
The only way I see this making sense is if Cashman has a deal worked out involving Andujar for a front-line starter. He wants to go for the series this year and doesn't want to take a step back while greatly improving our starting rotation. At least, that's how I see it.
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2 He is adamant about playing ss and the yanks like Didi. Didi is a great Yankee and will be our ss for years. They even moved Torres to another position so they could keep Didi at SS.
Baltimore does not want to Trade Machado to Yanks and have to play against him. Unless they get a huge haul back. We are talking Sheffield, Andjuar and others.
plus overpaying for Machado does not give us room to get a SP which Cash has said will happen.
He will go to NL.
He thinks it's highly unlikely he can trade for a difference making pitcher at a price he's willing to live with.
It's likely he can trade for an innings eater who is league average at best without giving up much more than rule 5 guys who they won't protect. But that won't impact the post season.
He thinks Machado can impact the division race and the post season and the long term. He upgrades the defense at 3B upgrades the offense at 3B and doesn't strike out much.
Driving up the price helps the Orioles so that's not his goal. But driving up the price will eliminate the Red Sox because they're out of trade chips. Eliminating the Red Sox is probably much more important to him than the Orioles getting a few better players.
The Yankees literally could trade for any player in baseball if they wanted to. No team has more trade chips between MLB and MiLB. But that means making everyone available in trades which the Yankees wouldn't and shouldn't do.
It must be fun to be Brian Cashman even with all the pressure that comes with the job.
2 He is adamant about playing ss and the yanks like Didi. Didi is a great Yankee and will be our ss for years. They even moved Torres to another position so they could keep Didi at SS.
Baltimore does not want to Trade Machado to Yanks and have to play against him. Unless they get a huge haul back. We are talking Sheffield, Andjuar and others.
plus overpaying for Machado does not give us room to get a SP which Cash has said will happen.
He will go to NL.
I heard it reported yesterday on WFAN where Machado said he would play 3B for the Yanks.
Evidently his people got to him and let him know his comments didn't do himself any favors. He obviously wants to be paid like a SS and that was the main reason for his comment.
I suspect the Orioles are trying to get other suitors to bump up their offers. Hence the nugget about the Yanks not including the guy they really want (Sheffield)
I dont want to trade for him but if it were to happen hes clearly playing 3B.
2 He is adamant about playing ss and the yanks like Didi. Didi is a great Yankee and will be our ss for years. They even moved Torres to another position so they could keep Didi at SS.
Baltimore does not want to Trade Machado to Yanks and have to play against him. Unless they get a huge haul back. We are talking Sheffield, Andjuar and others.
plus overpaying for Machado does not give us room to get a SP which Cash has said will happen.
He will go to NL.
You have a lot of opinions in here that don't seem to be facts.
You are right. The Yanks supposedly aren't including Sheffield. Machado is a half year rental. No way the Yanks would give up Sheffield for a half year rental.
The SS thing is overblown. If he comes here he is playing 3B. He has no say. Didi may not be here for years to come. He is 30 and may demand a big contract. If that is the case then he very well may NOT be our SS of the future.
You are wrong on the Orioles not wanting to trade Machado to the Yanks. Their owner signed off on that already as there are no limitations to where he could be traded, even the Yanks. And your proposed trade of Sheffield plus is ridiculius for a half year rental.
Why are you assuming we overpay for Machado? If Machado had multiple years left then yes but he doesn't and we'd still have plenty of players to use in trades to acquire another SP. Plus, what SP is available that gets you excited? The market for SP right now sucks.
Why will he go to the NL? Trading him to an AL team doesn't mean he'll be with that team next year. He's a FA.
I suspect the Orioles are trying to get other suitors to bump up their offers. Hence the nugget about the Yanks not including the guy they really want (Sheffield)
umm gray was definitely telegraphed and the stanton deal was just like this, yankees make a phone call people say they are interested and no one believes it and then it happens...
That's a whole lot of IFs and very unlikely, but holy shit would that be a haul.
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it's being reported by multiple sources, including Jon Heyman, so I don't doubt there's something to it...but it hasn't been Cashman's style to telegraph his moves in recent years.
I suspect the Orioles are trying to get other suitors to bump up their offers. Hence the nugget about the Yanks not including the guy they really want (Sheffield)
umm gray was definitely telegraphed and the stanton deal was just like this, yankees make a phone call people say they are interested and no one believes it and then it happens...
true about Gray - I could be wrong, but in both cases I don't think it was the Yanks leaking the news. As others have posted recently, i suspect it's often the agents too trying to influence the process (what agent wouldn't want his guy getting traded to the Yankees?)
...and see if they need/want to pick up Machado in free agency.
The issue is that the Yankees are hurting for pitching - Machado is a mere luxury - and promoting Sheffield is probably the best personnel move for a pitcher they can hope to make.
Yes, he absolutely is better at third base than Andujar.
he's signficantly better than andujar and is only three years older than him
Machado is a better fielding third baseman than Andujar. I don't think that's disputable. He's also a better hitter but it all comes down to what it's going to cost.
Manny would also be a substantial improvement offensively at 3B, even though Andujar has been very good. Manny is an elite offensive player, one of the top handful in all of baseball.
The issue though is one of marginal improvement. The Yankees have one of the best two or three offenses in baseball; with everyone healthy and producing roughly in line with expectations it might be the best. Machado makes them the best offense in baseball, perhaps by a substantial margin. But the difference from Andujar to Machado, offensively and defensively, may actually be less than the difference between Sonny Gray and a league average pitcher in terms of wins and losses. They are 8-10 in games Gray starts, 52-21 in those he doesn't.
I agree he is trying to drive up the prospect cost for Machado outside of Boston's ability to pay. However, at the same time, the Yanks WANT Machado to get traded for a more basic reason.
Once Machado is traded, the team getting him CANNOT make a tender off at the end of the season- meaning that even if the Yanks spend a HUGE amount of money to sign him (let's conservatively estimate $300M), there will be no draft pick loss or IFA pool loss.
If Machado were to stay with the O's the team signing him would lose a huge amount of IFA money and at least one draft pick.
Thus, Cashman wants Machado to get moved- but doesn't want him to go to Boston. He is also is "telegraphing" the Yanks real interest to Machado so when FA comes around, Machado will remember that the Yanks want him.
Just my opinion, but I believe that is what the Yanks are doing here. I just don't see this as being real interest.
I think that the Yanks have come to the realization that in the shift era, lefty bats in Yankee Stadium are significantly devalued.
The shift has really hurt lefty pull hitters- dramatically cutting into their BA and taking away a number of hits that would normally make it through the INF. In Yankee Stadium, that tiny RF means that there is even less room for a lefty hitter to get hits- unless they hit a HR.
As we saw with Giambi and Tex, when lefty hitters get pull happy trying to hit HR, they tend to be worse off.
Teams do not shift as regularly or as often with righty hitters. Add in that when they do, LF and left-center in Yankee Stadium is a fairly large area. That still leaves room for the righty hitter to get base hits without having to pull the ball for HR.
Therefore, given the Yanks strong use of analytics, it is quite likely that their numbers people have figured this out and recommended that the Yanks get more righty bats.
It also doesn't hurt that Boston's rotation has a LOT of LHP (Sale, Price, Rodriguez, Pomeranz).
This would also come into play in the post-season as well. Keep in mind that few teams use the shift more than the Astros. Having fewer batters to use the shift against takes away some of the defensive preparations a team can make. Obviously, they will still be aware of the percentages for the INF zones that a batter hits the ball to and position accordingly, but if you can reduce a team's ability to take away half the field in a shift, you help your team's offensive chances.
If they sign him in the offseason so be it. They actually won't lose the pool money (as I understand it) so long as they don't exceed the luxury tax this season. But right now he's a luxury, while pitching is a need.
even if the red sox were in it who cares? even if you drive up the price the red sox still get machado and the orioles get more it is lose lose
so then they are not going to get him anyway, red sox are not going to give up players off of their roster just because the yankees make a good offer and orioles are not going to trade him to the red sox for a shit package
As far as Cashman somehow manipulating the Orioles to trade Machado that's nonsense. If the Yankees hung a flag at Camden Yards saying we don't want Manny the Orioles would still trade him somewhere. Even the Orioles aren't that dumb.
Cashman has been after Manny since the winter, maybe even before that. This isn't a drill he's going to everything he can to make this happen. That tells us he doesn't think he's got a shot at pitching this year. There will be FA pitchers when the season is over and trades made in the winter. If there's no market there's not much else he can do.
He has managed to get details like the O's interest in Sheffield and the Yanks refusal to deal Sheffield in the media. By so doing, he actually puts a cap on the price for Machado. However, by not denying or acknowledging what the Yanks are willing to offer- but letting names like Frazier, German and others be thrown about, it effectively removes Boston because they can't match that.
In the end, Cashman WANTS the O's to deal Machado for reasons outlined above. At the same time, he doesn't want to raise the O's expectations so high that it becomes impossible to get him traded. Thus, the use of the media to set the parameters of the deal.
Sometimes people have to understand that just because they read something on the Internet does not make it true. That is the old-fashioned "black and white" thinking that some want to see the world through. Reality is a mix- more hues of grey. The same is true for Internet rumors.
When you see the Yanks supposed interest- ask yourself why the rumor is there, not whether it fits a preconception that you have.
No offense but wtf? Machado would play 3B.
He has managed to get details like the O's interest in Sheffield and the Yanks refusal to deal Sheffield in the media. By so doing, he actually puts a cap on the price for Machado. However, by not denying or acknowledging what the Yanks are willing to offer- but letting names like Frazier, German and others be thrown about, it effectively removes Boston because they can't match that.
In the end, Cashman WANTS the O's to deal Machado for reasons outlined above. At the same time, he doesn't want to raise the O's expectations so high that it becomes impossible to get him traded. Thus, the use of the media to set the parameters of the deal.
Sometimes people have to understand that just because they read something on the Internet does not make it true. That is the old-fashioned "black and white" thinking that some want to see the world through. Reality is a mix- more hues of grey. The same is true for Internet rumors.
When you see the Yanks supposed interest- ask yourself why the rumor is there, not whether it fits a preconception that you have.
Baltimore is moving Machado no matter what. The Yanks aren't facilitating this trade.
Again, highly unlikely. But I could see it. It would make Boston an absolute nightmare to deal with.
In fact, if I were Boston, Id really consider it. They have a lot of payroll and a lot of mouths to feed in the near future, but also some expiring $ in the next 1-2 years.
Pedroia
Nunez
Rusney Castillo
Moreland
Pearce
Hanley
Sandoval (mostly)
All coming off in next 2 years. Also lots of mouths to start feeding a lot more, but its a recipe for flexibility.
Side note: BOY OH BOY is that David Price contract awful. It makes me happy.
We are a couple years behind them, but Sanchez, Severino and Judge will eventually need to be paid too.
2 more arb years on Mookie. $15M option on Sale gets them through next year. Decisions to make on Porcello/Pomeranz/Kimbrel. I have to imagine JD likely opts out after next year.
My only point is that if Boston wanted to make Machado among their 3-4 highest priorities, they can make it happen.
Absolutely true. Im just saying that the price enforcer role could actually be a real thing. There were posts that dismissed it summarily.
If he comes here, he's not going to leave. I 100% believe if Cashman makes a deal for Machado that he is going to be paid to stay in the Bronx beyond this year. So, I'm less worried about the rental aspect of it.
I still don't really see how it makes sense if Andujar isn't part of the deal. Didi could be moved - I don't see him here beyond next year when he's arb eligible.
I still don't think Manny is really a necessary addition - but at the same time, keeping him away from teams we're competing with adds value, and perhaps the SP market just isn't favorable enough to make sense.
I trust Cashman to do something that makes sense. I just hope Sheffield isn't a part of any deal because I think he can help this year. Even if it's as a LHP out of the pen.
I agree with you here. I'd also hope if Cash can't get a good deal for a starter he looks to get another big chip for the pen. Lock that sucker down, and come playoff time we could win with our top three now, with German either being #4 or also coming out of the pen as a semi long man.
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Bowden claiming that "potential players involved" are Frazier, Swanson and Chance Adams. I have no idea if thats the offer the #Yankees made or not.
I'm not sure whether that is true or not. I like Swanson and Adams, but that is dealing from depth. Frazier is clearly the one that stings.