Does not include Sheffield, whom the O's are claimed to covet.
The only way I see this making sense is if Cashman has a deal worked out involving Andujar for a front-line starter. He wants to go for the series this year and doesn't want to take a step back while greatly improving our starting rotation. At least, that's how I see it.
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What I would be interested to then see is whether Machado continues to insist on playing SS, which then likely puts Didi on the trade market, or whether he agrees to move back to 3B, putting Andujar on the market.
I'd hate to lose Andujar, but if that's the case, then they probably have to move him next.
No way any long-term agreement (or verbal understanding) between Manny and the Yanks will happen at this point.
Machado is having a monster year and Scott Boras is his agent. Both Machado and Boris will want to test the market at year's end, regardless of what the Yanks offer.
Hahah, what a ridiculous post.
This is an excellent team right now. Yes, there are a few small holes. No team is perfect. But the Yankees don't have the highest payroll right now, so I don't know where you're getting that from and Cashman did a tremendous job of rebuilding.
This team is positioned to be a major factor for a while. What teams out there are fielding "consistent winners" moreso than the Yanks are?
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He can't scout start pitching so he tries to buy his way out of it with a lineup. Gets a GM who can scout starting pitchers. The guy has had many years here and cannot build a consistent winner. All of you want to backflips because he has done a decent to good job with our youth over the last two years, but does that explain how the heck we have been to 1 world series in 15 years with the highest payroll in an unregulated salaried sport. If he trades for Machado, he should be fired, especially if its a rental.
Hahah, what a ridiculous post.
Right?
Good lord... absolute fucking insanity.
*checks notes*
...1992.
Also, if they could switch Andujar for Frazier in that package. That would be ideal.
*checks notes*
...1992.
Haha. I guess that's not considered a "consistent winner" to some people.
$1000000 says his response is Boston, the team that finished last twice in the last 5-6 seasons, but everyone forgets about it because of the massive, MASSIVE fluke that was 2013. Biggest fluke baseball champion I've ever seen, chock-full of scrubs having career seasons.
Also, if they could switch Andujar for Frazier in that package. That would be ideal.
Why would putting Andujar over Frazier into a deal be ideal? I'm curious.
It is no guarantee that even if we get Machado that he resigns with us so Andujar is insurance and can still be flipped for a SP in the future as part of a package. Andujar has proven himself as a rookie in the majors which is more than can be said for Frazier at this point. And where would Frazier play if he is kept? The OF is already crowded.
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This team is positioned to be a major factor for a while. What teams out there are fielding "consistent winners" moreso than the Yanks are?
$1000000 says his response is Boston, the team that finished last twice in the last 5-6 seasons, but everyone forgets about it because of the massive, MASSIVE fluke that was 2013. Biggest fluke baseball champion I've ever seen, chock-full of scrubs having career seasons.
Yeah, I have a feeling that's who he's going to say. That 2013 team sucked. I still can't believe that team won the WS.
Boston also has a higher payroll than NYY.
There are like 5-6 teams with higher payrolls. So that part of his post was also complete horse shit.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
I will never forgive the Dodgers for bailing them out by taking Gonzalez, Crawford, and Beckett (and their massive contracts) off their hands.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
I'm not 100% sure Gardy will be back next year. I can definitely see the Yanks offering him a CC like 1 year deal or maybe even a club option for a 2nd year. Problem is I think Gardy wants to play longer and is looking for 3 year deal or two guaranteed at nice money.
I think it could be a very similar situation to what happened with Todd Frazier and the Yanks. They offered areal nice one year deal to come back this year but he wanted more years and while his per year is less, the total deal is higher.
The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
I'm not 100% sure Gardy will be back next year. I can definitely see the Yanks offering him a CC like 1 year deal or maybe even a club option for a 2nd year. Problem is I think Gardy wants to play longer and is looking for 3 year deal or two guaranteed at nice money.
I think it could be a very similar situation to what happened with Todd Frazier and the Yanks. They offered areal nice one year deal to come back this year but he wanted more years and while his per year is less, the total deal is higher.
Why wouldn't they just pick up the team option?
The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
Holy shit, if that's the deal, it's even more of a no-brainer.
Jesus wha ridiculously ignorant post.
Name a team who has won a World Series with all home grown, starting pitching in the last 5 years? Hell, make it the last 2? I’ll wait...
Also, the minors have produced a hell of a lot of good relief talent. Guess that’s not Cashman’s doing at all, huh?
Theo Epstein won a World Series with the Cubs, not by drafting starting pitching, exactly the opposite. He accumulated talent and traded it for established, starting pitchers or signed them as FA’s.
The bottoms line is, it doesn’t matter a damn if the pitcher was aquired or developed. As long as they’re helping the Yankees win games, that’s what matters.
The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
If that's the deal, sign me up.
I like Andujar and glad he won't be traded. Unless he's part of another deal this allows them to send him to AAA, and still be insurance in case Machado doesn't sign long term.
Machado would no don't be an upgrade and while I wasn't high on trading for him as a rental, this is a deal I'd do in a heartbeat.
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The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
Holy shit, if that's the deal, it's even more of a no-brainer.
if this is the deal, cashman has a full arsenal to go after a pitcher...
this would be an absolute steal
The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
Thanks for sharing, ajr.
I can’t imagine that package would get it done. Not sure how any sound-minded NYY fan could complain if it ever came to pass.
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The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
Thanks for sharing, ajr.
I can’t imagine that package would get it done. Not sure how any sound-minded NYY fan could complain if it ever came to pass.
I'm not sold on it either, but guy was spot on with the Gray and Stanton deals.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
I'm not 100% sure Gardy will be back next year. I can definitely see the Yanks offering him a CC like 1 year deal or maybe even a club option for a 2nd year. Problem is I think Gardy wants to play longer and is looking for 3 year deal or two guaranteed at nice money.
I think it could be a very similar situation to what happened with Todd Frazier and the Yanks. They offered areal nice one year deal to come back this year but he wanted more years and while his per year is less, the total deal is higher.
Why wouldn't they just pick up the team option?
Well they would if they felt he was worth it but I suspect they want to keep getting younger and don't see him being worth it by then. I think they'd love him for one more but not two.
I think maybe they would throw the team option of a 2nd year with a buyout in there as a sign of respect and also maybe enough to entice him to stay for one more year. Knowing if he plays well, he stays for year two. I just don't know if Gardy would take something like that.
Benintendi: .260/.370/.435 road, .343/.400/.615 home. What's the big difference? All those cheap Fenway doubles off that stupid fucking wall: 17 2Bs at home, 8 on the road.
Moreland: .260/.345/.455 road, .303/.363/.566 home. Doubles? Same thing, 12 at home, 3 on the road.
Martinez, legitimately good as he is? .304/.377/.519 road, .361/.411/.797 home. 32 XBH at home, 18 on the road.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
I'm not 100% sure Gardy will be back next year. I can definitely see the Yanks offering him a CC like 1 year deal or maybe even a club option for a 2nd year. Problem is I think Gardy wants to play longer and is looking for 3 year deal or two guaranteed at nice money.
I think it could be a very similar situation to what happened with Todd Frazier and the Yanks. They offered areal nice one year deal to come back this year but he wanted more years and while his per year is less, the total deal is higher.
Why wouldn't they just pick up the team option?
Well they would if they felt he was worth it but I suspect they want to keep getting younger and don't see him being worth it by then. I think they'd love him for one more but not two.
I think maybe they would throw the team option of a 2nd year with a buyout in there as a sign of respect and also maybe enough to entice him to stay for one more year. Knowing if he plays well, he stays for year two. I just don't know if Gardy would take something like that.
The option year is next year, though. I'm fairly certain they're going to pick it up and then probably let him walk after that.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
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The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
Thanks for sharing, ajr.
I can’t imagine that package would get it done. Not sure how any sound-minded NYY fan could complain if it ever came to pass.
I'm not sold on it either, but guy was spot on with the Gray and Stanton deals.
Fingers crossed. I was originally ambivalent about the idea of trading for MM. If that is the price, I’m in hook/line/sinker and I want it done yesterday.
Thanks again for sharing what you’ve heard, regardless of what happens.
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This team is positioned to be a major factor for a while. What teams out there are fielding "consistent winners" moreso than the Yanks are?
$1000000 says his response is Boston, the team that finished last twice in the last 5-6 seasons, but everyone forgets about it because of the massive, MASSIVE fluke that was 2013. Biggest fluke baseball champion I've ever seen, chock-full of scrubs having career seasons.
The funny thing is I did not see Boston. And, the Yankees have not fielded consistent winners since probably 2012.
1. I have given Cashman credit for rebuilding team
2. I stand by the fact that he has done a poor job trading for, scouting, and developing starting pitching.
3. We have not won the Division since 2012 and only twice in this decade.
4. To say that we have lived up to the assets he has had is absurd. From 2003-2013 we were first in the Majors every year, many times by a large margin. We went to 2 world series and won 1. We have been second in the majors since 2013 through 2017 and have not won the division once in that time. This is the first year we are not in the top 2 and were 7th in opening day roster. If you are happy with the results given our allocation of resources, good for you. I think I have right not to be. The Dodgers who might not be number one have at least won their Division what four or five years in a row? We have not won it since 2012.
5. The bottom line is that all of you who fawn over Cashman that's your opinion, I just don't think the allocation of resources to bottom line result has been very good in the last 15 years. I think the numbers show it. I hope I eat crow and we win it this year, but I am pretty sure Manny Machado is not the answer to our problems. Almost like getting more playmakers isn't the answer to the Giants OL problems. You need to fix the problem is a design flaw in that outside Sevy we really cannot good innings out of our starting pitching, which makes our BP have to roll Aces almost every night when the score is close. That is not an easy formula.
The offer was Drury, Tate, Adams, and Josh Rogers.
It's moving closer to done.
This is the first reported deal that actually seems to make sense and be in line what a pure rental player could get. I'm just surprised the O's wouldn't want more high risk/reward players - someone like a Luis Medina or a Clarke Schmidt.
I would be 100% behind that deal.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
Gardy is in the last year of his contract (although the team has an option for one more). IMO, after this season it is time to move on.
I'm fairly certain they're going to pick up his option.
I'm fairly certain they're going to pick up his option.
Not sure why everyone is so certain about picking up Gardner's option. It's essentially a $10 million option...and based on last years Free Agent market I can't see anyone paying a 36 year old Gardner $10 million a year. If the Yanks bring him back I think they declined the option and see if he takes $6 or $7 million to return.
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If Frazier is the biggest piece we have to part with to get Machado, I would do it (provided he's here long-term, which I imagine he and the Yanks both want)
I'm just the opposite. I'm not in favor of giving up years of Clint Frazier being your starting LF, for a 1/2 season rental. I can see Swanson and Adams. Swanson may have reached his pinnacle, and Adams has regressed this year.
Where is Frazier playing, though? He's still blocked. Gardy and Hicks are both going to be back next year. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere.
I'm not 100% sure Gardy will be back next year. I can definitely see the Yanks offering him a CC like 1 year deal or maybe even a club option for a 2nd year. Problem is I think Gardy wants to play longer and is looking for 3 year deal or two guaranteed at nice money.
I think it could be a very similar situation to what happened with Todd Frazier and the Yanks. They offered areal nice one year deal to come back this year but he wanted more years and while his per year is less, the total deal is higher.
Why wouldn't they just pick up the team option?
Well they would if they felt he was worth it but I suspect they want to keep getting younger and don't see him being worth it by then. I think they'd love him for one more but not two.
I think maybe they would throw the team option of a 2nd year with a buyout in there as a sign of respect and also maybe enough to entice him to stay for one more year. Knowing if he plays well, he stays for year two. I just don't know if Gardy would take something like that.
The option year is next year, though. I'm fairly certain they're going to pick it up and then probably let him walk after that.
Ahh well if that's the case I think you're right. They pick it up. I thought he was an UFA after this year and my thoughts were based on that.
I think they'd prefer to take it year to year with him, like they did with Pettitte and are doing now with CC, but I don't think it would be surprising if they picked up his option.
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I'm fairly certain they're going to pick up his option.
Not sure why everyone is so certain about picking up Gardner's option. It's essentially a $10 million option...and based on last years Free Agent market I can't see anyone paying a 36 year old Gardner $10 million a year. If the Yanks bring him back I think they declined the option and see if he takes $6 or $7 million to return.
Superb defensive OF with a .350 OBP and some sneaky/streaky power? $11M isn’t crazy. For what he’s been to the org, I doubt they’d dick him around to save $2-3M for a year.
If he took less AAV elsewhere, he’d get more term in exchange for sure.
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I'm fairly certain they're going to pick up his option.
Not sure why everyone is so certain about picking up Gardner's option. It's essentially a $10 million option...and based on last years Free Agent market I can't see anyone paying a 36 year old Gardner $10 million a year. If the Yanks bring him back I think they declined the option and see if he takes $6 or $7 million to return.
That's also a possibility. But I do think Gardner will be back next year one way or another. He's one of those guys whose value to the team sort of eclipses his production. He's a leader and this is a young team. I think they are going to want him back for one final year and then that'll be that.
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I'm fairly certain they're going to pick up his option.
Not sure why everyone is so certain about picking up Gardner's option. It's essentially a $10 million option...and based on last years Free Agent market I can't see anyone paying a 36 year old Gardner $10 million a year. If the Yanks bring him back I think they declined the option and see if he takes $6 or $7 million to return.
Superb defensive OF with a .350 OBP and some sneaky/streaky power? $11M isn’t crazy. For what he’s been to the org, I doubt they’d dick him around to save $2-3M for a year.
If he took less AAV elsewhere, he’d get more term in exchange for sure.
Who plays center when Hicks inevitably gets injured though? I think Gardner makes sense to bring back but then that means Frazier is still the number 5 OF and most likely trade bait.