I am knee deep in getting the master list ready for this upcoming draft scouting season....but here are some thoughts on NYG/Sam Beal selection.
*When I scouted Western Michigan CB Darius Phillips last year, I have 2 separate notes saying Beal was the top CB on that team by a wide margin. Part of that was me not thinking as highly of Phillips as some (he ended up being selected at the end of round 5 by CIN).
*What makes Beal attractive are height/speed numbers. He is 6'0+ with length and speed. That is always a nice combination especially if the player has some ball skills and other skills that are required at CB.
*Beal plays really aggressive. He is hands on, will throw his hat in to an oncoming pile of traffic. His head is always on a swivel, he plays hard. Always in the game, always making the effort to get the job done. Again, another good trait for the position.
*What I don't like...well there are a few things. His presence on contact is minimal. Even though he does play hard, he doesn't make much of a difference when he contacts a receiver off the line, especially a physical one. He doesn't hit hard on tackle attempts, ball carriers can bounce off him pretty easily. Beal needs to add power and strength to his game, no doubt. Not as important or a CB as it is for a S or LB obviously, but it still matters.
*He also just doesn't show a ton of stability and balance in coverage. He has the quickness and speed, but there are a lot of recovery steps in his game. He doesn't always track the ball well, as he is often falling to the side or trying to re-gather himself on change of direction movement.
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I wouldn't expect much out of Beal in 2018. He is getting in to the program late and I view him as a raw prospect that needs at least a year of strength and stability work to help improve his technique and skills. If I had to puta grade on him, it would have revolved around the 3rd/4th round region. I have no issues with the pick, it is basically getting a head start on someone that can impact this defense in 2019. He isn't a bad kid, didn't get in to trouble. His situation and reasoning for entering the Supplemental Draft was a simple miscommunication between him and the school regarding his credits.
After the draft I said the CB group was probably the biggest weakness on this team, so this is a move in the right direction but I'm not sure it helps for 2018.
Even though you're getting a head start on developing the pick for 2019, you're taking away the the choice of everyone available when your pick comes in the 2019 Draft.
Essentially it becomes Beal over "the field" in 2019 3rd round.
That would suggest very strongly that the Giants were one of the teams that had Beal rated as a 2nd rounder.
P.S. I don't think they see him as just a 2019 guy. He's an athlete that will be thrown into the special teams mix right away. Got the look and skillset of a pretty good gunner and hawk.
Earlier in his career. Hasn't been an issue over the past 2 seasons and nothing that creates any extra-worry. He does need more strength/stability from the bottom on up though.
But again, this is not the old days where you had two-a-days plus many more days of actual practice, including full pads.
But again, this is not the old days where you had two-a-days plus many more days of actual practice, including full pads.
Probably the reason why Sy is saying look for him more in 2019. Personally, I think the only way he sees significant playing time this year is if any of the top 2 guys go down, and even then, he might be the 2nd option. Kid has a world of talent, but coming from a small school in the MAC to the NFL is QUITE the change. As has also been mentioned, he 100% needs to hit the weight room, and that kind of progress doesn't happen quickly.
In a perfect world, we do not see much of Beal in 2019, which means our corners are playing well and are healthy.
It's an open competition. Gay is the old vet. Haley the rookie. And we signed a couple of journeymen who have experience doing it.
Sam Beal, CB, Giants: At 6-foot-1, 187 pounds, the WMU product owns the ideal height NFL scouts look for in today's corners. Beal broke up a team-high 10 passes last year, and made two interceptions. Projected by some to be a top-5 player at his position next year, Beal was viewed as a near-lock to be selected today. NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks noted that Beal owns the footwork and body control to possibly become a natural cover corner on an island, but needs to work on his run defense. Beal joins a Big Blue D that has undergone an overhaul under new defensive coordinator James Bettcher. The Giants need depth at outside corner behind current starters Janoris Jenkins and erratic Eli Apple. Bettcher's system calls for his corners to play a lot of man-coverage on the outside. It's a role Beal is suited to grow into, even if it's not in Year 1.
Even though you're getting a head start on developing the pick for 2019, you're taking away the the choice of everyone available when your pick comes in the 2019 Draft.
Essentially it becomes Beal over "the field" in 2019 3rd round.
That would suggest very strongly that the Giants were one of the teams that had Beal rated as a 2nd rounder.
P.S. I don't think they see him as just a 2019 guy. He's an athlete that will be thrown into the special teams mix right away. Got the look and skillset of a pretty good gunner and hawk.
Doesn't he have issues with tackling though? Definitely needs to pack on some muscle too.
Thanks.
Weaknesses: Greater play strength needed to withstand heavy hand fighting...
NFL Mocks says:
Strengths: ... He displays strong hands and very good play strength...
I fully expect Beal to contribute by the middle of the 2018 season.
I fully expect Beal to contribute by the middle of the 2018 season.
Are you familiar with him at all? Not pointing a finger, just asking where the expectation is coming from. I tend not to expect anything after the 2nd round.
Weaknesses: Greater play strength needed to withstand heavy hand fighting...
NFL Mocks says:
Strengths: ... He displays strong hands and very good play strength...
There were a number of outright contradictory scouting reports on him sprinkled across the web. It was actually pretty humorous.
Maybe Gay is that, but Bettcher also loves RIley.
But again, this is not the old days where you had two-a-days plus many more days of actual practice, including full pads.
At the CB I think this is less of a worry. In recent years more than one player has come into the NFL and switched position to CB for the first time (Quinton Dunbar to name 1 we've gone up against) and been able to see action pretty quickly. That's because the most important factor in being a CB is having the athleticism to play the position. Beal has been a corner and he has athleticism so even if it's just as a depth guy and special teamer, I expect he'll be able to contribute somehow right away.
Are you familiar with him at all? Not pointing a finger, just asking where the expectation is coming from. I tend not to expect anything after the 2nd round.
So you don't expect anything from BJ Hill this year?
He has been getting rave reviews by everyone. I expect him to contribute long before week 8.
Is your view that this kind of outcome is extremely unlikely or were you more saying to not to expect much in the vein that he is a 3rd round pick and hope of him matching up well on a #1 or #2 receiver should be reserved for two seasons from now?
Is your view that this kind of outcome is extremely unlikely or were you more saying to not to expect much in the vein that he is a 3rd round pick and hope of him matching up well on a #1 or #2 receiver should be reserved for two seasons from now?
Multiple 3rd round picks make impacts. But that is after rookie mini camp, team mini camp/OTAs, and training camp.
Beal misses the first 2 of those due to the situation.
I also think this defense is going to error towards the more experienced corners they have on the roster. They went shopping for a bunch of average to below average veterans. Stop gaps type. I don't see Beal all of the sudden passing them with such limited practice time.
On Twitter it was reported that Oakland was 1, the Jets were 2, the Giants were 3, and the Browns at 4. I don't know any after that.
But he will need to learn to tackle (if that is in fact an issue for him), because he'll be needed on special teams.
"Walter Football gives the pick an A+ grade.
The Giants were rewarded the second pick in each round of the supplemental draft, so they had the ability to select Sam Beal in the third frame before everyone else, save for the Raiders. Oakland was the only team that could have chosen Beal ahead of New York, so one has to wonder if Jon Gruden was tanning on some beach and not really paying attention because the Raiders really could have used Beal.
New York was able to greatly benefit from Oakland's incompetence. Beal is a terrific talent, and it could be argued that he would have been a late first-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft. Being able to nab him in the third round is an absolute steal, and the Giants deserve an A+ grade as a result. With Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Ross Cockrell gone, New York had a big need at corner, which Beal should be able to fill. He'll be off to a slow start after missing OTAs, but it wouldn't surprise me if he found his way into the starting lineup by the middle of the season."
Beal is a tall, lengthy corner with great ball skills. He might have problems with speedy receivers, but he'll almost certainly boost a Giants secondary that needed an upgrade.
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Are you familiar with him at all? Not pointing a finger, just asking where the expectation is coming from. I tend not to expect anything after the 2nd round.
So you don't expect anything from BJ Hill this year?
He has been getting rave reviews by everyone. I expect him to contribute long before week 8.
Who doesn't get rave reviews in june though? It's the time of year where every player in the league "puts on 10 pounds of muscle", "feels better than he has in years" etc.
Hill can be a good, smart draft pick and also not necessarily make an impact as a rookie.
The only opinion that matters is Gettleman's. That's fine, but it's hard to believe there aren't gonna be guys with similar skills and question marks in the middle rounds next year.
It's not yet known what round the Browns bid, but it was probably the third. The Browns had the fourth pick in each round behind the Raiders, Jets, and Giants. The Broncos rounded out the top five.
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I'm with you on this and think Sy may be too negative. Most have him as a top 5 or 6 corner coming out next year, which sounds like a second rounder to me.
It's not yet known what round the Browns bid, but it was probably the third. The Browns had the fourth pick in each round behind the Raiders, Jets, and Giants. The Broncos rounded out the top five. Link - ( New Window )
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