NFT: Knicks Chat 7/12: Summer League and the new Front Office

signed THJ to that ridiculous deal with trade kickers and other great stuff.

In comment 14011660 robbieballs2003 said:

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signed THJ to that ridiculous deal with trade kickers and other great stuff.

Don't forget the Ron Baker heinous contract too.

It all comes down to first round picks - we finally decided to hold onto them. Now we'll see if a top free agent comes aboard in the next couple of years.

and Mills felt compelled to honor it. I'm not trying to defend Mills, whom I think is an idiot, but Baker always seemed like a "Phil guy." Hornacek liked him, too.

In comment 14011673 bceagle05 said:

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It all comes down to first round picks - we finally decided to hold onto them. Now we'll see if a top free agent comes aboard in the next couple of years.

That was one of the only good things to come out of the Phil years. Keeping draft picks instead of trading them away.

have spoken to Willie Reed

patient for another year or two, and can get another legit starter in the 2019 draft, they are going to be in a really nice spot. When you have a collection of young talented players and a likable coach pitching FAs on coming to "the mecca" is no longer a pipe dream.

The Knicks haven't had more than one really good player under 25 since....what, the late '80s with Ewing, Jackson, and Strickland? Even that might be not be right, Ewing might have been over 25 by the time they drafted those guys.

has been a revelation in the S/L. It's early, but Perry seems to have done a great job there. He's the big ticket item we were missing to pair with Porz. Robinson looks like a great find in the second round.

I'm even coming around on Trier if he's used as a rotational playmaker with size at the PG.

I even like the gamble on Hezonja.

There is hope ... oh and yeah, the Ringer likes Knox.



With Kevin Knox,The Knicks new era is officially here - ( New Window )

In comment 14011683 DanMetroMan said:

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have spoken to Willie Reed

Sorry. What does this mean?

In comment 14011719 Beezer said:

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In comment 14011683 DanMetroMan said: Quote: have spoken to Willie Reed Sorry. What does this mean?

They have been in contact with FA PF Willie Reed, how else could this be interpreted? Not being snarky. Re-read what I wrote 4 times and it reads as it's meant to.

In comment 14011723 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14011719 Beezer said: Quote: In comment 14011683 DanMetroMan said: Quote: have spoken to Willie Reed Sorry. What does this mean? They have been in contact with FA PF Willie Reed, how else could this be interpreted? Not being snarky. Re-read what I wrote 4 times and it reads as it's meant to.

lol ... be kind, Dan. My mind went to Willis Reed. Was thinking some special coaching gig.

I just ate my lunch. Maybe nap time. lol

I wasn't being snarky either. Just tired/brain dead there for a sec.

much of what the front office has done with a couple of exceptions (I still don't understand the Wily trade and the whole Michael Beasley experience was a waste of time). With Mills still ultimately in charge there still exists the potential for an awesomely stupid move...but overall things seem to be trending in the right direction.

May be a decent option at 4.

In comment 14011733 Enzo said:

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much of what the front office has done with a couple of exceptions (I still don't understand the Wily trade and the whole Michael Beasley experience was a waste of time). With Mills still ultimately in charge there still exists the potential for an awesomely stupid move...but overall things seem to be trending in the right direction.

actually that 2021 2nd round pick from charlotte could be very valuable, it will be first year with no more one and done, and that pick could be high 2nd...talent pool is going to be a lot deeper

like they do intend on bringing in another 4/5. They almost need to. I want them to tank as much as anybody but the 3-4-5 position is extremely thin in terms of NBA proven or healthy talent. Reed like KOQ is a guy the advanced numbers always loved. I know he's awful but Okafor probably makes some sense too, my first choice would be Bebe but I assume he will get too much.

from 2003-2009. Donne Walsh pushed him out. He came back after Walsh got pushed out. Not sure if it was at the same time as Phil Jackson was hired or a year before. Mills was and is and will always be a Dolan flunky. Best case scenario is he buffers Dolan away from the GM and Head Coach but anyone who has ever been in a meeting with Dolan knows that's probably not realistic.

they were trying to put as much talent around Porzingis as possible and he has talent. Maybe they could even get someone to throw a 2nd rounder at them if they fell out of contention. It’s not the best thought process but not the worst either. Playing him a lot after the trade deadline though definitely moronic and indefensible

In comment 14011788 NoGainDayne said:

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they were trying to put as much talent around Porzingis as possible and he has talent. Maybe they could even get someone to throw a 2nd rounder at them if they fell out of contention. It’s not the best thought process but not the worst either. Playing him a lot after the trade deadline though definitely moronic and indefensible

Coach was trying to win as many games as possible to salvage his reputation.

So we can continue trying to collect that whole lottery.

In all seriousness I’d much rather reed.

would be an understatement. Seems like he's never lasted on any team more than a very short time.
not sure I want this guy on the Knicks - ( New Window )

In comment 14011832 Del Shofner said:

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would be an understatement. Seems like he's never lasted on any team more than a very short time. not sure I want this guy on the Knicks - ( New Window )

Riley/Spoelstra had him so Fiz would have some insight others might not. I prefer Bebe but Reed might be a solid value signing.

In comment 14011755 arniefez said:

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from 2003-2009. Donne Walsh pushed him out. He came back after Walsh got pushed out. Not sure if it was at the same time as Phil Jackson was hired or a year before. Mills was and is and will always be a Dolan flunky.

Prior to 2003, Mills spent the previous sixteen years working for the league office. Whatever you think of dolan, it really doesn't seem fair to paint everyone who ever worked at MSG as some henchman.

By all accounts, he has stayed away from the team. The 3 guys running the show now, seem to be on the same page, have a plan on how to move forward and are intent on letting this plan bear fruit. Look at where this team is now talent wise, to when Phil got fired. As a long term fan, there is a lot of young talent to watch grow and when KP comes back and they integrate him into this young team forming around him it will be exciting times to watch.

In comment 14011959 Dave on the UWS said:

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By all accounts, he has stayed away from the team. The 3 guys running the show now, seem to be on the same page, have a plan on how to move forward and are intent on letting this plan bear fruit. Look at where this team is now talent wise, to when Phil got fired. As a long term fan, there is a lot of young talent to watch grow and when KP comes back and they integrate him into this young team forming around him it will be exciting times to watch.

randal posts the same thing over and over again he has nothing else

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lol ... be kind, Dan. My mind went to Willis Reed. Was thinking some special coaching gig. I just ate my lunch. Maybe nap time. lol I wasn't being snarky either. Just tired/brain dead there for a sec.

Beez, you're not alone, I thought Dan was talking about Willis Reed too. Thought they were going to add him to the coaching staff to work with Robinson or something similar. LOL

I'd like to see KP take as much time as possible to recover. It seems like we've got some high character guys on the team too (like Frank) and building a good culture is important. The stink of losing with underachieving, overpaid veterans can take a long time to erase.

The best case scenario from this season would involve the following:

1. Knox and Robinson prove themselves to be long-term building blocks.

2. Frank takes a step forward with his shot and ballhandling (I think moving him to the 2 is a good idea; I don't think he's a starting PG)

3. KP is healthy and confident after a long hiatus.

4. We get a top 5 pick and another blue chip talent.

I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances of landing a high quality max. We're building something decent here.

In comment 14011965 NYG27 said:

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Beezer said: Quote: lol ... be kind, Dan. My mind went to Willis Reed. Was thinking some special coaching gig. I just ate my lunch. Maybe nap time. lol I wasn't being snarky either. Just tired/brain dead there for a sec. Beez, you're not alone, I thought Dan was talking about Willis Reed too. Thought they were going to add him to the coaching staff to work with Robinson or something similar. LOL

Same here.

In comment 14011967 Ash_3 said:

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I'd like to see KP take as much time as possible to recover. It seems like we've got some high character guys on the team too (like Frank) and building a good culture is important. The stink of losing with underachieving, overpaid veterans can take a long time to erase. The best case scenario from this season would involve the following: 1. Knox and Robinson prove themselves to be long-term building blocks. 2. Frank takes a step forward with his shot and ballhandling (I think moving him to the 2 is a good idea; I don't think he's a starting PG) 3. KP is healthy and confident after a long hiatus. 4. We get a top 5 pick and another blue chip talent. I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances of landing a high quality max. We're building something decent here.

Number 2 is a very interesting topic that I don't think has been discussed as much as maybe it should be. With the "positionless" NBA, it may may mean less, but at the moment I'm in the camp that would be disappointed if it was determined that Frank is better off ball. His truly unique qualities are his defensive ability and court vision as a 6'6/6'7 19 year old. That becomes less impressive as a 2 guard.

In comment 14011971 djm said:

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In comment 14011965 NYG27 said: Quote: Beezer said: Quote: lol ... be kind, Dan. My mind went to Willis Reed. Was thinking some special coaching gig. I just ate my lunch. Maybe nap time. lol I wasn't being snarky either. Just tired/brain dead there for a sec. Beez, you're not alone, I thought Dan was talking about Willis Reed too. Thought they were going to add him to the coaching staff to work with Robinson or something similar. LOL Same here.

Make that 4

In comment 14011974 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 14011967 Ash_3 said: Quote: I'd like to see KP take as much time as possible to recover. It seems like we've got some high character guys on the team too (like Frank) and building a good culture is important. The stink of losing with underachieving, overpaid veterans can take a long time to erase. The best case scenario from this season would involve the following: 1. Knox and Robinson prove themselves to be long-term building blocks. 2. Frank takes a step forward with his shot and ballhandling (I think moving him to the 2 is a good idea; I don't think he's a starting PG) 3. KP is healthy and confident after a long hiatus. 4. We get a top 5 pick and another blue chip talent. I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances of landing a high quality max. We're building something decent here. Number 2 is a very interesting topic that I don't think has been discussed as much as maybe it should be. With the "positionless" NBA, it may may mean less, but at the moment I'm in the camp that would be disappointed if it was determined that Frank is better off ball. His truly unique qualities are his defensive ability and court vision as a 6'6/6'7 19 year old. That becomes less impressive as a 2 guard.

I actually think as a 2 guard, his court vision is more, not less impressive. He's not the world's most creative passer and to the extent that he's at best a decent ballhandler (again, there is a chance he becomes a good ballhandler, but I'd bet against it; I don't think there are many instances of a below average or average ballhandler becoming an above average or very good ballhandler in the process), that makes the it unlikely he's ever a very good offensive player and primary ballhandler.

I know it's early with Frank and I'd be happy to be wrong, but I think ideally he's an excellent defender (1-3), who can sink threes at an above average clip and can help run the offense for short stretches at a time. We're still looking for a bona fide PG/primary ballhandler.

might be that Kyrie can come here as the 1. He would seem like a perfect complement to Frank.

Updates will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Has started guys/gals

but Frank isn't playing so expect the offense to be a total mess.

In comment 14012021 bceagle05 said:

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but Frank isn't playing so expect the offense to be a total mess.

It has been, Knicks down 12 in Q2

trier having a solid game. Still forcing it sometimes, but to be fair its really him and knox and a bunch of bums on offense. Everyone else looks like they havent played basketball before. If they cut Dotson tomorrow i wouldnt be that upset (not saying they should but he has been so bad). Knox looks ok but he is forcing it a bit and the BOS defenders are tough. Did hit a couple 3's in the 2nd quarter.

summer league roster seems unusually horrible. Some of these guys are beyond bad.

nobody else looks like they should even sniff and nba roster. Which is annoying since Dotson, kornet, and hicks will be on the roster, ha.

on trier after that first game. He can def score and i dont think its fair to judge his forcing and lack of passing right now. I think he can def develop into one of those 6th man instant offense kind of guys. for an undrafted guy im impressed.

and it's the 3rd quarter.

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nobody else looks like they should even sniff an nba roster. Which is annoying since Dotson, kornet, and hicks will be on the roster, ha.

Agree with this based on what I saw the other night.

I mean he def has things to work on, but considering his situation he has been great.

In comment 14012043 Italianju said:

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on trier after that first game. He can def score and i dont think its fair to judge his forcing and lack of passing right now. I think he can def develop into one of those 6th man instant offense kind of guys. for an undrafted guy im impressed.

Its been acknowledged on a couple threads. He has turned a corner with a defined role that includes less of focus on scoring and more on playmaking.

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I mean he def has things to work on, but considering his situation he has been great.

I'd like to see him spend a month in G League and get good minutes along with serious coaching. He's got a nice future, but it will take time.

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I mean he def has things to work on, but considering his situation he has been great.

also 3 steals, all in 20 minutes.

It's nice having draft picks.

it seemed like he just kept forcing shots, rather than doing what he has been doing and trying to get to the line instead of forcing shots...

In comment 14012085 Jon in NYC said:

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hmmmm