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Solder vs Norwell

QB Snacks : 7/12/2018 12:11 pm
In reviewing the giants offseason one thing that would have been very interesting to see is what the giants would have done had they signed norwell?

In hindsight, it seems odd that the Giants were intent on signing him before solder in the first place. While younger, and probably better, was it a smart plan? The draft was guard heavy and we were able to seemingly get a starter at the top of rd 2. There wasnt a LT in the draft capable of starting at LT.

Would they have perhaps used Ohmameh $ on a RT? Were they prepared to play Flowers at LT again?

In hindsight, the Jags may have saved the Giants from having the worst tackles in football.
Not that they were anticipating him being available...  
Milton : 7/12/2018 12:15 pm : link
But Conner Williams was an excellent left tackle prospect selected by the Cowboys early in round two. Other than that, I imagine the plan was to have Flowers and Wheeler competing at left tackle.
RE: Not that they were anticipating him being available...  
QB Snacks : 7/12/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14011753 Milton said:
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But Conner Williams was an excellent left tackle prospect selected by the Cowboys early in round two. Other than that, I imagine the plan was to have Flowers and Wheeler competing at left tackle.


And who was your RT?
It definitely is interesting but sometimes the best moves made  
robbieballs2003 : 7/12/2018 12:19 pm : link
are the ones that were never made at all. We have the fortune of hindsight now and getting Hernandez was a homerun.
I was wondering the same thing  
ZogZerg : 7/12/2018 12:22 pm : link
What was the Giants plan if they signed Norwell for a shit load of $$? A second round rookie at LT? They tried trading flowers so he obviously wasn't their answer.
I think of it this way  
UConn4523 : 7/12/2018 12:31 pm : link
we likely win a couple more games with Norwell but still have a shit season. Maybe we don’t have the franchise overhaul because of it. IMO, hitting rock bottom needed to happen.
I'm still curious  
Knee of Theismann : 7/12/2018 12:34 pm : link
as to why Sy had Hernandez rated so much lower than everyone else. He seems to be the only one who wasn't high on Hernandez.
The focus on Norwell suggests  
JonC : 7/12/2018 12:38 pm : link
they were going to try and build the OL from the inside out, knowing they'd probably need two offseasons either way.

With Norwell gone, they signed the best LT on the open market and then struck gold with Hernandez.

If all goes to plan, only C remains on the to do list.
RE: I think of it this way  
QB Snacks : 7/12/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14011775 UConn4523 said:
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we likely win a couple more games with Norwell but still have a shit season. Maybe we don’t have the franchise overhaul because of it. IMO, hitting rock bottom needed to happen.


Huh? Norwell wouldnt have been on last years team so I'm not sure what you're post means
More likely  
JonC : 7/12/2018 12:40 pm : link
they'll be looking for a C and RT next Winter.
Cluster drafting  
Go Terps : 7/12/2018 12:46 pm : link
I wonder if any consideration was given to drafting Nelson in round 1 AND Hernandez in round 2. Probably not, but the idea of having two road graders is tantalizing.
I think Solder was the #1 target from the beginning  
Vanzetti : 7/12/2018 12:47 pm : link
Norwell is a great player but DG knew the first priority was fixing LT and Solder was the guy to do that.

I think Giants were in on Norwell. Why wouldn't they be? But Solder was getting signed regardless.

RE: Cluster drafting  
robbieballs2003 : 7/12/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14011803 Go Terps said:
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I wonder if any consideration was given to drafting Nelson in round 1 AND Hernandez in round 2. Probably not, but the idea of having two road graders is tantalizing.


Not sure how much attention was given to that particular scenario just because of where we were picking in the first. I also believe most felt Hernadez wouldn't have been available at our second round pick. I think the only way we would have drafted Nelson is if we traded back meaning Barkley was taken number one overall and there was a deal that we liked better than Chubb. If that played out and we drafted Nelson in the first then most likely we would have gotten another first somewhere. In that situation, I could see us drafting another OL in the first or early second especially since we would have had extra picks.
Terps  
JonC : 7/12/2018 1:10 pm : link
From what I heard, we were locked onto SB unless he went #1, and then it would've been Chubb. Nelson would have been a trade down target only, probably after a swap with Denver at #5.
Solder and Omameh or Norwell and who?  
Ivan15 : 7/12/2018 2:47 pm : link
Was there a solid LT available free sgent available? If not, was there a guaranteed LT in the draft?

I think it worked out for the best. The Giants didn't need the BEST guard in free agency. They needed the most reliable offensive linemen available. Whoever signed Norwell almost had to release a starting guard. Omameh is a lot better than a lot of people think.
RE: Not that they were anticipating him being available...  
TheMick7 : 7/12/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14011753 Milton said:
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But Conner Williams was an excellent left tackle prospect selected by the Cowboys early in round two. Other than that, I imagine the plan was to have Flowers and Wheeler competing at left tackle.


Williams was projected to be a guard in the NFL & that's where the Cowboys are playing him.....
RE: RE: Not that they were anticipating him being available...  
Milton : 7/12/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14012004 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 14011753 Milton said:


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But Conner Williams was an excellent left tackle prospect selected by the Cowboys early in round two. Other than that, I imagine the plan was to have Flowers and Wheeler competing at left tackle.



Williams was projected to be a guard in the NFL & that's where the Cowboys are playing him.....
He was projected as someone who can play guard or tackle. The Cowboys are playing him at guard because that's where the need is, but if the Giants had signed Norwell and drafted Williams, they would be playing him at tackle.

From Drew Boylhart....
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Connor could be a pro bowl left guard if he played that position at the next level. He could be a pro bowl right tackle if he played that position also. But you’re not selecting Connor to play any other position on your offensive line than Left Tackle. Could Connor be a pro bowl Left Tackle? As far as I’m concerned you can bet on it. In a play action/vertical offensive system Connor will not only make it to the pro bowl he will help your team to make the playoffs too because of his excellent run blocking and powerful ability to be used in a pulling offensive line system. His athleticism and nasty streak and the way he gets out quickly and demolishes his opponents going to the second level, on screens and sweeps will lead your teams running game to success.

From Dane Brugler's Top 100...
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38. Connor Williams, OT, Texas (6-5, 296, 5.05, #55)

The tale of two tapes: The 2016 game film for Williams shows a future top-20 draft pick, but his 2017 tape was a combination of uneven play and injuries, leading to concerns and questions. Half the league will have him on the board as a guard and the other half at tackle.

From Rob Rang's Top 100...
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24. Connor Williams, OT, Texas, 6-5, 296, 5.05, junior

The Longhorns have not produced a first-round pick on offense since Vince Young was selected No. 3 overall by Tennessee in 2006, but Williams should end that streak. Williams is a bit of a throwback, showing the power and aggression as a run blocker that scouts covet, along with the athleticism, balance and girth to stone pass rushers. Average arm length (33 inches) could push Williams inside to guard in the NFL.
RE: RE: I think of it this way  
UConn4523 : 7/12/2018 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14011790 QB Snacks said:
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In comment 14011775 UConn4523 said:


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we likely win a couple more games with Norwell but still have a shit season. Maybe we don’t have the franchise overhaul because of it. IMO, hitting rock bottom needed to happen.



Huh? Norwell wouldnt have been on last years team so I'm not sure what you're post means


Jeez, I read the OP wrong. Thought we were talking about Whitworth vs Solder, haha
TC infallibility says  
St. Jimmy : 7/12/2018 11:40 pm : link
signing Norwell would have been the right move.
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