above position coach. What does he think he has to gain by burying former players? Every word out of his mouth makes you wonder how the Sons of Wellington could be such idiots to hire him in to begin with.
None of it was my fault, they're now doing everything they should have did when I was there and doing everything I told them to do. Also he shit all over a bunch of players, even coming right out and saying "I don't think he's a very good player", in reference to Solder.
Now I'm no expert but I think it is safe to assume that this would not be the best way of trying to get yourself back into the good graces of the league.
Flowers, Richburg, Pugh and Solder. He doesn't believe in Brett Jones. He didn't remember Halapio's name, who started six games last year. He torched Philly, Dallas, and Washington.
Is it me or does McAdoo just come across as unintelligent? Why on earth would he take shots at former players? He isn't going benefit at all from doing so. He basically deflected blame for last season on the players which again is another terrible decision.
How the hell did this guy get hired in the first place? I can't imagine this guy wowing anyone in a meeting. These comments once again remind me how lucky we are to have Shurmur.
Is the 2018 McAdoo-ese version of “protect the duke”
Interesting that he thinks Flowers will be a bust at right tackle and that Solder will help but is not a very good player and Giants overpaid in desperation. Also some not so thinly veiled pot shots at Richburg Pugh and JPP. Clearly the chef didn’t approve of his ingredients!
The only reason I even contemplated reading anything that McAdoo Â
Flowers, Richburg, Pugh and Solder. He doesn't believe in Brett Jones. He didn't remember Halapio's name, who started six games last year. He torched Philly, Dallas, and Washington.
Better question, who didn't this guy rip apart?
he did approve of Gettleman’s moves particularly taking Barkley & passing on the QBs and he thinks the Giants will win the division
Likely spots - Hammock Beach area, Ormond Beach area, or even an outside shot of Palm Coast. With the money he is being paid and looking for the community security/privacy, I would guess he is staying in Hammock Beach.
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
Likely spots - Hammock Beach area, Ormond Beach area, or even an outside shot of Palm Coast. With the money he is being paid and looking for the community security/privacy, I would guess he is staying in Hammock Beach.
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
That was both surprising and maybe a little weird? Mcadoo completely agreed with every move the giants made... ok... then he completely undresses various players.... lol ok. Fascinating really. Oh and he supports going with Eli???Dude you benched him for GENO SMITH.
That was both surprising and maybe a little weird? Mcadoo completely agreed with every move the giants made... ok... then he completely undresses various players.... lol ok. Fascinating really. Oh and he supports going with Eli???Dude you benched him for GENO SMITH.
We need to check him for CTE. I am flabbergasted at what I just read. He said Solder is not a good player but obviously he agrees with the fact he is better than Flowers. Then he rips Flowers but yet he always had him at LT and never made him earn the spot. WTF is going on. This guy is all over the place. He says Flowers will have the same issues on the right side but at least Eli can see it coming now. What, it only took you 4 fucking years to figure that out?
I think he was knocking Reese more than anyone else. With Flowers, I think he felt he had no choice but to start him which is also a Reese criticism
Pugh was a much better LT than Flowers but never gave him a chance because of his stupid theory that if Eli has protection up the middle the outside doesn't matter because the ball should be out before an edge rusher can get there. I agree. He is definitely throwing blame everywhere but himself. How was this guy ever the HC of the New York Fuckin' Giants? IMO, he is the worst coach in the history of this franchise. People would always write R-- H------ for he who shall not be named. Well, McAdoo has surpassed him imo. Fuckin' clown and doesn't understand how to lead men. Any good leader accepts all the blame and deflects all the praise.
I believe that's what Jerry Reese said about Ben McAdoo. I guess Ben was Jerry's 3rd choice for the HC job, for we all know how bad Jerry's 3rd rd picks were.
I don’t understand why any fan would not enjoy that.
Right or wrong he was the head coach and just gave us a lot of color/views
EXACTLY!
And I am worried again with Flowers. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not the guy knows the sport and he was just very candid about the team he had and some of the guys left on the roster.
That was both surprising and maybe a little weird? Mcadoo completely agreed with every move the giants made... ok... then he completely undresses various players.... lol ok. Fascinating really. Oh and he supports going with Eli???Dude you benched him for GENO SMITH.
We need to check him for CTE. I am flabbergasted at what I just read. He said Solder is not a good player but obviously he agrees with the fact he is better than Flowers. Then he rips Flowers but yet he always had him at LT and never made him earn the spot. WTF is going on. This guy is all over the place. He says Flowers will have the same issues on the right side but at least Eli can see it coming now. What, it only took you 4 fucking years to figure that out?
I don’t understand why any fan would not enjoy that.
Right or wrong he was the head coach and just gave us a lot of color/views
I'm with hitdog, take a look at the quotes regarding the OL:
"They let the right guys leave"
"They needed help in that room in the past and they haven’t had anyone to do that."
The OL was the cancer from the beginning and stayed that way. Bad picks, mediocre play, no leadership. Nobody's absolving McAdoo, but the GM was supposed to fix the line and instead did NOTHING.
Don't think this does anything for the next phase of his coaching career but hey it's not my life.
Hot take - I think he would make a great analyst. Whether it's his on-the-spectrum like inability to read a room or outright obstinance in his personality, the guy doesn't pull punches. His biggest weakness as a coach may serve him as an analyst.
was happy to see Solder go. He says he always gave up pressure . I agree with McAdoo in letting Pugh and Richburg go who both got overpaid. Ridiculous he couldn't remember Halapio. Some good some bad can't wait for Camp to begin and see Barkley play.
very candid. I don't see any problem with it. Even thought McAdoo failed, I wouldn't discount his opinions. Anyone who knows anything about football would agree that Flowers isn't a very good pass blocker, so what's wrong with confirming it.
(being paid by the Giants) in 2018 & plans to get his resume out to coach again in 2018. The question is,where? Certainly it was an interesting article from our last HC as he threw former players,new players,Giants management & other teams under the bus.However,if I'm an NFL team, I read this article & question if I want a guy who airs dirty laundry in the press to represent my team.After reading this article from an obviously immature & ill prepared coach (I think we all had an inkling when he showed up at his PC looking like a kid wearing his father's jacket but we hoped we were wrong),I'm very happy we now have an HC/GM who conduct themselves the way representatives of a pro football team should. Good riddance to a coach who will never go into the ring of honor but will forever be part of a Giants coaching fraternity that belong to a ring of shame!
I want him to do a Hanley ... go away and never be heard from again. He was an embarrassment as a head coach and cost me a year of football. Don’t go away mad, just go away.
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
It isn't that there are no coaches capable of teaching how to bend, but rather the student willing to accept those teachings. We churned through respectable OL coaches. At some point you have to look at the common denominator and conclude that it might not be the coach, but rather the player.
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
What were his other options at LT? There was absolutely no depth. It wasn't like you could put Pugh there, guy can't stay on the field.
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
I also came away from that article wondering just how much input he had in who was going to start and who wasn't. If he didn't believe in these guys, why on Earth did he play them...and did he lobby to have them replaced and was denied?
I literally LOL'ed
EricJ : 8:11 am : link : reply
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
If anyone of you don't realize how damaging these statements are Â
for McAdoo's attempts at potential future NFL employment you have no idea how the NFL works. Ask Jim Fassel or Brian Billick what happens when you're moved outside the circle of trust and secret society that is the NFL front offices and owners club. Those guys actually had proven levels of success. Didn't help them. These comments and the ones about Darnold are professional suicide.
I literally LOL'ed
EricJ : 8:11 am : link : reply
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
Yeah.. I agree with you FMiC
Oh and Bobby Humphrey, in his first year Flowers was so bad that although we may not have had another true LT on the team, I would bet that an athletic DE could have done a better job protecting Eli than Flowers.
better be wrong about Solder or Gettleman made a horrible move. They just made this guy one of the highest paid players in football.
The benchmark of "highest paid" shouldn't be the measure attached to Solder. It is just the economics of supply and demand. Reese opted to go cheap when a prototypical LT hit the market the year prior. Instead, he settled on signing a TE known for his blocking to assist in shoring up the OL. Yet, a HC who prior to ascension to OC was a TE coach couldn't figure out how to deploy Rhett to assist in a tackle that can't bend.
RE: If anyone of you don't realize how damaging these statements are Â
for McAdoo's attempts at potential future NFL employment you have no idea how the NFL works. Ask Jim Fassel or Brian Billick what happens when you're moved outside the circle of trust and secret society that is the NFL front offices and owners club. Those guys actually had proven levels of success. Didn't help them. These comments and the ones about Darnold are professional suicide.
This to me is the most interesting piece. The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
I think most NFL personnel people would not agree with him on Solder, and I personally put no stake in his ability to evaluate (especially over other NFL scouts, etc.). If he though Flowers sucked then why not play Wheeler or someone else, and why let him and Hart become primadonna's? He could have put a stop to that easily? Instead he kissed up to Flowers.
Why bench Eli for Geno?
I think he is full of crap, and just trying to justify his lousy coaching job.
RE: RE: RE: If anyone of you don't realize how damaging these statements are Â
The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
was the left tackle for the Pats for 6 seasons and Brady has about 10 seconds to throw the ball on most downs. Solder made the pro bowl, by all accounts is a great guy and a really solid player.
On what earth is Solder "not a very good player." What the hell is McAdoo looking at?
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
Giving factual feedback on your experience with a coach is A LOT different than blackballing.
Not to mention the fact that players came out and said that Fassel did not prepare them for the Superbowl. That is all I would need to hear as a potential employer. No need to even call Mara at that point.. plus the game film does not lie.
McAdoo thinks they’re winning the East while shitting on every team Â
Just said what he felt everyone always complained he did not open up much. Surprise he was in on the Eli wagon, we all know he can’t handle pressure up the middle not many can. Solder is a gigantic risk everyone also knows this he is not top five LT but is being paid like he is. It was just a swap of big money contracts JPP and Solder time will prove who got the better deal. The OL is not fixed we all know this the big question is it even better or what?
It’s a new day but this team is still dependent on many players who are very overrated the schedule is a killer not sure why he would thing they can win the division. He will coach again being fired is not the end of the world in the NFL it’s an education.
sometimes even above the sticker price. That's what free agency is. Or you pay 3.5 million dollars a year for special team players who are late draft picks or UDFA on good teams like the last GM did and start them.
We'll see how it plays out. I think most of the moves the Giants made (not Gettleman made because the Sons of Wellington are all over everything) were smart. But time will tell.
Nothing wrong with what Mac said in that article other than Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach. BM was probably intimidated by pushing back on Reese since Reese secured his HC job and just let Reese make the calls. Further, it makes me think that Reese made the call to play Geno and not BM.
The dig at Solder was the only truly WTF comment. Like, why are you shitting on this guy that never even played for you. It was a dig at the organization that I thought was unnecessary.
Like most things in life it's all about expectation Â
Solder is like the movie Tremors. You go watch it thinking wtf a movie about giant worms and Kevin Bacon, Reba Mcintyre, and Michael J Fox's dad. And then you wind up liking it and it's a cult classic.
If you tell someone it's a good movie, then they watch it and say wtf it's a movie about giant worms and Kevin Bacon, Reba Mcintyre, and Michael J Fox's dad.
they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
Reese was definitely more involved than people think Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach. BM was probably intimidated by pushing back on Reese since Reese secured his HC job and just let Reese make the calls. Further, it makes me think that Reese made the call to play Geno and not BM.
McAdoo is definitely pointing the finger at Reese for not giving him sufficient talent but i don't think McAdoo was Reese's puppet in terms of depth chart. Reese doesn't seem like an intimidating type who would force his preferences on McAdoo .
McAdoo was selected to be the head coach because they wanted to maintain continuity on offense after Coughlin was forced into an early retirement Mara had a significant say in selecting McAdoo, not just Reese. The Eli decision was based on the fact that the year was over in terms of playoffs, so why not give the backups a chance to play to see (best case scenario, one or both of them shine and they serve as either a trade chip or in Webb's case, Eli's successor...in McAdoo's case, maybe he saves face or his job by showing his system can work if the QB play improved) They botched the execution completely but the intent was understandable.
flowers and pugh were first round picks, richburg was a second round pick and their backups were unproven rookies, so McAdoo was going to play the guys who in theory would give them the best chance to win.
RE: The main thing that this interview made me think... Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach. BM was probably intimidated by pushing back on Reese since Reese secured his HC job and just let Reese make the calls. Further, it makes me think that Reese made the call to play Geno and not BM.
Bingo bongo.
RE: RE: The main thing that this interview made me think... Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach.
It was actually reported that Reese didn't want McAdoo as coach.
I don't remember this during the search. Was there speculation on who he wanted? I always thought he was calling him the smartest guy in the room in order to bolster belief in his choice for HC.
Loose cannon. Didn't help his cause for getting another coaching job in the NFL. I hope for his sake he's smart enough to know this. Perhaps he wants to be an analyst.
they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
there is enough video on solder to determine whether or not he is a good/bad/average player in the pros. even though offensive lines are units and the coaching makes a difference, ultimately he can either pass block or he can't; he can either run block or he can't; or he can understand the playbook/audibles and be disciplined with reducing penalties or he can't. it's not as though we are predicting how hernandez will fare in the pros, given he is a draft pick.
Likely spots - Hammock Beach area, Ormond Beach area, or even an outside shot of Palm Coast. With the money he is being paid and looking for the community security/privacy, I would guess he is staying in Hammock Beach.
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
He cannot bend..he tries to pass block standing up straight legged and NFL quality ends go right around him. The only advantage to having him play RT is it allows ELI to see who is getting by Flowers and coming for him. It also helps in the run game because Flowers can run block well due to his size and hopefully open holes for Barkley. Most teams run to the right where a tight end is set up to help run and pass block. I have no idea what Marc Ross and Reese saw in Flowers other than he is a big man. If a tackle cannot lower his center of gravity by bending he cannot pass block in the NFL without help on his side.
they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
Top flight LTs never see free agency. Solder got paid cause he was a FA. And you know Solder isn't a crappy player so I am not sure what you are worrying about.
He lets guys get by him from time to time. If he were a perfect LT he would not have been a free agent. But he has the ability to recover and get back to help block his man. Flowers is a stationary object. Once a guy gets by him he turns into a spectator watching ELI get sacked and chews on his mouth piece like a cow eating grass. So solder is an improvement over Flowers.
is trying to restore his reputation of being stubborn and arrogant by giving these interviews. He has a year of salary left and has to find another Job next year. The fact that he knew all along that Flowers could not bend and therefore could not pass block anyone begs me to wonder why he left Flowers alone on the left side without help most of the time. And he kept blaming Eli for " not getting the ball out quick enough" and that " all QBs have to play in a DIRTY pocket" I agree with the other posters on here that you have to take what he says about new guys like Solder and some moves that DG made that he belittles with a grain of salt.
RE: I will be shocked if he ever gets another job in NFL Â
above position coach. What does he think he has to gain by burying former players? Every word out of his mouth makes you wonder how the Sons of Wellington could be such idiots to hire him in to begin with.
exactly
RE: Is he trying to burn bridges with the rest of the league? Â
SO the G-Men are going to win the division and he gives such astute analysis such as "Washington is Washington."
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
OMG is this guy for real?
Jim Rome broke him down on the CBS Sports minute Â
Romey loves McAdo=n't. From the oversized suit at the press conference that Rome said he borrowed from King Kong Bundy. Gotta admit, that shit was not just funny, but outright hilarious.
Then Rome referenced the slick backed hair. Classic. The oversized wind breaker. The sunglasses. Yeah.
Amazing that management bought it. Idiots.
RE: Arguably one of the dumbest head coaches in NYG History Â
SO the G-Men are going to win the division and he gives such astute analysis such as "Washington is Washington."
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
The argument is going to be "Gettleman had no choice."
But that's how teams get into cap trouble.
He had better be dead wrong about Solder because we just committed to keeping the guy for a few years.
Would things be any better if solder was making 5 million less? He’d still be the starting LT of the giants.
The money stuff is overstated. He was a FA. Giants had a need. By this time next year there will be 4 more guys making more than Solder.
Just like Vernon, solder doesn’t have to be the best LT in football here. He doesn’t even have to always be great especially on the field. Just be solder on and off the field and we will be fine.
That said, thank God this guy is gone.
Now I'm no expert but I think it is safe to assume that this would not be the best way of trying to get yourself back into the good graces of the league.
Better question, who didn't this guy rip apart?
Right or wrong he was the head coach and just gave us a lot of color/views
Right or wrong he was the head coach and just gave us a lot of color/views
This.
Yes along with Halapio, Flowers, and Jones.
Is it me or does McAdoo just come across as unintelligent? Why on earth would he take shots at former players? He isn't going benefit at all from doing so. He basically deflected blame for last season on the players which again is another terrible decision.
How the hell did this guy get hired in the first place? I can't imagine this guy wowing anyone in a meeting. These comments once again remind me how lucky we are to have Shurmur.
Interesting that he thinks Flowers will be a bust at right tackle and that Solder will help but is not a very good player and Giants overpaid in desperation. Also some not so thinly veiled pot shots at Richburg Pugh and JPP. Clearly the chef didn’t approve of his ingredients!
Better question, who didn't this guy rip apart?
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
I love the commitment.
Right or wrong he was the head coach and just gave us a lot of color/views
Yup it sure was an interesting read. Surprisingly candid. Washington is Washington. Lulz
We need to check him for CTE. I am flabbergasted at what I just read. He said Solder is not a good player but obviously he agrees with the fact he is better than Flowers. Then he rips Flowers but yet he always had him at LT and never made him earn the spot. WTF is going on. This guy is all over the place. He says Flowers will have the same issues on the right side but at least Eli can see it coming now. What, it only took you 4 fucking years to figure that out?
Pugh was a much better LT than Flowers but never gave him a chance because of his stupid theory that if Eli has protection up the middle the outside doesn't matter because the ball should be out before an edge rusher can get there. I agree. He is definitely throwing blame everywhere but himself. How was this guy ever the HC of the New York Fuckin' Giants? IMO, he is the worst coach in the history of this franchise. People would always write R-- H------ for he who shall not be named. Well, McAdoo has surpassed him imo. Fuckin' clown and doesn't understand how to lead men. Any good leader accepts all the blame and deflects all the praise.
Right or wrong he was the head coach and just gave us a lot of color/views
EXACTLY!
And I am worried again with Flowers. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not the guy knows the sport and he was just very candid about the team he had and some of the guys left on the roster.
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That was both surprising and maybe a little weird? Mcadoo completely agreed with every move the giants made... ok... then he completely undresses various players.... lol ok. Fascinating really. Oh and he supports going with Eli???Dude you benched him for GENO SMITH.
We need to check him for CTE. I am flabbergasted at what I just read. He said Solder is not a good player but obviously he agrees with the fact he is better than Flowers. Then he rips Flowers but yet he always had him at LT and never made him earn the spot. WTF is going on. This guy is all over the place. He says Flowers will have the same issues on the right side but at least Eli can see it coming now. What, it only took you 4 fucking years to figure that out?
Yeah that interview really is amazing.
Really wondering if that was a misprint...
Right or wrong he was the head coach and just gave us a lot of color/views
I'm with hitdog, take a look at the quotes regarding the OL:
"They let the right guys leave"
"They needed help in that room in the past and they haven’t had anyone to do that."
The OL was the cancer from the beginning and stayed that way. Bad picks, mediocre play, no leadership. Nobody's absolving McAdoo, but the GM was supposed to fix the line and instead did NOTHING.
Don't think this does anything for the next phase of his coaching career but hey it's not my life.
—Solder is not a good LT but will help in the Locker room with OL
—Flowers won’t be any good at RT because he can’t bend
—Center is going to be a problem because Eli can’t take pressure up the middle. Halapio sucks
—Barkley was a good choice. Having a guy who can take it to the house on any carry really helps
—None of the QBs last draft were particularly worth taking at #2
—Hinted that dissension on the OL was a problem and letting Pugh and Richburg walk was the right move
There were plenty of folks on bbi that noticed the season was smoke and mirrors. Spags deserves all the credit for that season.
This interview was candid and insightful, something different from the norm for coach speak.; gave me a different perspective on the guy.
A bit cioncerning were his comments about Flowers, but there are many here who have been saying the same thing.
Great question.
Who gives a flying fuck what this dumb ass has to say?
Solder IS mediocre/average. He is not very good. Just better than Flowers.
Flowers can't bend - we know that - means left tackle or right tackle he won't be good.
Richburg and Pugh - let the right guys go - sounds like 95% of BBI posts.
Eli doesn't do well with pressure up the middle - true and true for most QBs.
Almost everything he said could have been quoted from BBI and yet people crap on what he said.
Not a fan of his at all, but doesn't mean he can't self analyze.
Solder IS mediocre/average. He is not very good. Just better than Flowers.
Flowers can't bend - we know that - means left tackle or right tackle he won't be good.
Richburg and Pugh - let the right guys go - sounds like 95% of BBI posts.
Eli doesn't do well with pressure up the middle - true and true for most QBs.
Almost everything he said could have been quoted from BBI and yet people crap on what he said.
Not a fan of his at all, but doesn't mean he can't self analyze.
Yep. I agree with the whole article. I don't think he crapped on anyone really. They were a bunch of low key statements.
Pugh, who couldn't stay healthy, was a great choice letting him walk.
Richburg, even when healthy, always got pushed back every play. Good thing we let him walk.
No QB plays well with pressure in his face, this is especially true of guys like Tom Brady! (See 2007 season)
Flowers sucks, and theDoo is right. At least Eli can see it coming now.
Reese was shit at rebuilding the team. Big deal.
Seriously, he said it like it really is. I'm with Ben all the way on this one. Everyone else hating in this thread can suck on it.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
It isn't that there are no coaches capable of teaching how to bend, but rather the student willing to accept those teachings. We churned through respectable OL coaches. At some point you have to look at the common denominator and conclude that it might not be the coach, but rather the player.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
What were his other options at LT? There was absolutely no depth. It wasn't like you could put Pugh there, guy can't stay on the field.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
I also came away from that article wondering just how much input he had in who was going to start and who wasn't. If he didn't believe in these guys, why on Earth did he play them...and did he lobby to have them replaced and was denied?
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when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
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when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
Yeah.. I agree with you FMiC
Oh and Bobby Humphrey, in his first year Flowers was so bad that although we may not have had another true LT on the team, I would bet that an athletic DE could have done a better job protecting Eli than Flowers.
The benchmark of "highest paid" shouldn't be the measure attached to Solder. It is just the economics of supply and demand. Reese opted to go cheap when a prototypical LT hit the market the year prior. Instead, he settled on signing a TE known for his blocking to assist in shoring up the OL. Yet, a HC who prior to ascension to OC was a TE coach couldn't figure out how to deploy Rhett to assist in a tackle that can't bend.
This to me is the most interesting piece. The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
Where was all this color when he was the coach? Sure he has to guard his words but there is a middle ground.
Washington is Washington?
Just more evidence that this guy was completely in over his head from every angle imaginable.
It just begs the only question I have left - and one that will never be answered: Whose idea was it to hire this guy? And why?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
Why bench Eli for Geno?
I think he is full of crap, and just trying to justify his lousy coaching job.
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The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
But that's how teams get into cap trouble.
He had better be dead wrong about Solder because we just committed to keeping the guy for a few years.
Good look finding another coaching job in the NFL after these comments.
On what earth is Solder "not a very good player." What the hell is McAdoo looking at?
Let's put that myth to rest. Personnel guys are saying he shouldn't be the highest paid at his position and is average to good.
That's different than being bad. Much different.
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
Giving factual feedback on your experience with a coach is A LOT different than blackballing.
Not to mention the fact that players came out and said that Fassel did not prepare them for the Superbowl. That is all I would need to hear as a potential employer. No need to even call Mara at that point.. plus the game film does not lie.
It’s a new day but this team is still dependent on many players who are very overrated the schedule is a killer not sure why he would thing they can win the division. He will coach again being fired is not the end of the world in the NFL it’s an education.
We overpaid for him relative to his talent, but that's UFA in a nutshell. His value to the franchise should ease the cost pain.
We'll see how it plays out. I think most of the moves the Giants made (not Gettleman made because the Sons of Wellington are all over everything) were smart. But time will tell.
Rest of comments seem right on par.
You all should re-read and take your meathooks out...
The dig at Solder was the only truly WTF comment. Like, why are you shitting on this guy that never even played for you. It was a dig at the organization that I thought was unnecessary.
If you tell someone it's a good movie, then they watch it and say wtf it's a movie about giant worms and Kevin Bacon, Reba Mcintyre, and Michael J Fox's dad.
But god damn, the guy wants to coach again. He just torched 3 potential job opportunities. And those owners have influence elsewhere as well.
McAdoo is definitely pointing the finger at Reese for not giving him sufficient talent but i don't think McAdoo was Reese's puppet in terms of depth chart. Reese doesn't seem like an intimidating type who would force his preferences on McAdoo .
McAdoo was selected to be the head coach because they wanted to maintain continuity on offense after Coughlin was forced into an early retirement Mara had a significant say in selecting McAdoo, not just Reese. The Eli decision was based on the fact that the year was over in terms of playoffs, so why not give the backups a chance to play to see (best case scenario, one or both of them shine and they serve as either a trade chip or in Webb's case, Eli's successor...in McAdoo's case, maybe he saves face or his job by showing his system can work if the QB play improved) They botched the execution completely but the intent was understandable.
flowers and pugh were first round picks, richburg was a second round pick and their backups were unproven rookies, so McAdoo was going to play the guys who in theory would give them the best chance to win.
It was actually reported that Reese didn't want McAdoo as coach.
Bingo bongo.
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Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach.
It was actually reported that Reese didn't want McAdoo as coach.
I don't remember this during the search. Was there speculation on who he wanted? I always thought he was calling him the smartest guy in the room in order to bolster belief in his choice for HC.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
I didn't see Brady complaining and if Solder was a problem, Brady would have made sure that he was not protecting his blind side years ago.
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
Don't do that. He may suffer more brain damage.
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they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
Top flight LTs never see free agency. Solder got paid cause he was a FA. And you know Solder isn't a crappy player so I am not sure what you are worrying about.
exactly
He made millions here. Hahaha. Great job.
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
OMG is this guy for real?
Then Rome referenced the slick backed hair. Classic. The oversized wind breaker. The sunglasses. Yeah.
Amazing that management bought it. Idiots.
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
OMG is this guy for real?
I think he was drunk. Seriously.
I can’t stop watching and laughing at this hulk gif.
But that's how teams get into cap trouble.
He had better be dead wrong about Solder because we just committed to keeping the guy for a few years.
Would things be any better if solder was making 5 million less? He’d still be the starting LT of the giants.
The money stuff is overstated. He was a FA. Giants had a need. By this time next year there will be 4 more guys making more than Solder.
Just like Vernon, solder doesn’t have to be the best LT in football here. He doesn’t even have to always be great especially on the field. Just be solder on and off the field and we will be fine.