I literally LOL'ed
EricJ : 8:11 am : link : reply
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
If anyone of you don't realize how damaging these statements are Â
for McAdoo's attempts at potential future NFL employment you have no idea how the NFL works. Ask Jim Fassel or Brian Billick what happens when you're moved outside the circle of trust and secret society that is the NFL front offices and owners club. Those guys actually had proven levels of success. Didn't help them. These comments and the ones about Darnold are professional suicide.
I literally LOL'ed
EricJ : 8:11 am : link : reply
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
Yeah.. I agree with you FMiC
Oh and Bobby Humphrey, in his first year Flowers was so bad that although we may not have had another true LT on the team, I would bet that an athletic DE could have done a better job protecting Eli than Flowers.
better be wrong about Solder or Gettleman made a horrible move. They just made this guy one of the highest paid players in football.
The benchmark of "highest paid" shouldn't be the measure attached to Solder. It is just the economics of supply and demand. Reese opted to go cheap when a prototypical LT hit the market the year prior. Instead, he settled on signing a TE known for his blocking to assist in shoring up the OL. Yet, a HC who prior to ascension to OC was a TE coach couldn't figure out how to deploy Rhett to assist in a tackle that can't bend.
RE: If anyone of you don't realize how damaging these statements are Â
for McAdoo's attempts at potential future NFL employment you have no idea how the NFL works. Ask Jim Fassel or Brian Billick what happens when you're moved outside the circle of trust and secret society that is the NFL front offices and owners club. Those guys actually had proven levels of success. Didn't help them. These comments and the ones about Darnold are professional suicide.
This to me is the most interesting piece. The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
I think most NFL personnel people would not agree with him on Solder, and I personally put no stake in his ability to evaluate (especially over other NFL scouts, etc.). If he though Flowers sucked then why not play Wheeler or someone else, and why let him and Hart become primadonna's? He could have put a stop to that easily? Instead he kissed up to Flowers.
Why bench Eli for Geno?
I think he is full of crap, and just trying to justify his lousy coaching job.
RE: RE: RE: If anyone of you don't realize how damaging these statements are Â
The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
was the left tackle for the Pats for 6 seasons and Brady has about 10 seconds to throw the ball on most downs. Solder made the pro bowl, by all accounts is a great guy and a really solid player.
On what earth is Solder "not a very good player." What the hell is McAdoo looking at?
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
Giving factual feedback on your experience with a coach is A LOT different than blackballing.
Not to mention the fact that players came out and said that Fassel did not prepare them for the Superbowl. That is all I would need to hear as a potential employer. No need to even call Mara at that point.. plus the game film does not lie.
McAdoo thinks they’re winning the East while shitting on every team Â
Just said what he felt everyone always complained he did not open up much. Surprise he was in on the Eli wagon, we all know he can’t handle pressure up the middle not many can. Solder is a gigantic risk everyone also knows this he is not top five LT but is being paid like he is. It was just a swap of big money contracts JPP and Solder time will prove who got the better deal. The OL is not fixed we all know this the big question is it even better or what?
It’s a new day but this team is still dependent on many players who are very overrated the schedule is a killer not sure why he would thing they can win the division. He will coach again being fired is not the end of the world in the NFL it’s an education.
sometimes even above the sticker price. That's what free agency is. Or you pay 3.5 million dollars a year for special team players who are late draft picks or UDFA on good teams like the last GM did and start them.
We'll see how it plays out. I think most of the moves the Giants made (not Gettleman made because the Sons of Wellington are all over everything) were smart. But time will tell.
Nothing wrong with what Mac said in that article other than Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach. BM was probably intimidated by pushing back on Reese since Reese secured his HC job and just let Reese make the calls. Further, it makes me think that Reese made the call to play Geno and not BM.
The dig at Solder was the only truly WTF comment. Like, why are you shitting on this guy that never even played for you. It was a dig at the organization that I thought was unnecessary.
Like most things in life it's all about expectation Â
Solder is like the movie Tremors. You go watch it thinking wtf a movie about giant worms and Kevin Bacon, Reba Mcintyre, and Michael J Fox's dad. And then you wind up liking it and it's a cult classic.
If you tell someone it's a good movie, then they watch it and say wtf it's a movie about giant worms and Kevin Bacon, Reba Mcintyre, and Michael J Fox's dad.
they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
Reese was definitely more involved than people think Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach. BM was probably intimidated by pushing back on Reese since Reese secured his HC job and just let Reese make the calls. Further, it makes me think that Reese made the call to play Geno and not BM.
McAdoo is definitely pointing the finger at Reese for not giving him sufficient talent but i don't think McAdoo was Reese's puppet in terms of depth chart. Reese doesn't seem like an intimidating type who would force his preferences on McAdoo .
McAdoo was selected to be the head coach because they wanted to maintain continuity on offense after Coughlin was forced into an early retirement Mara had a significant say in selecting McAdoo, not just Reese. The Eli decision was based on the fact that the year was over in terms of playoffs, so why not give the backups a chance to play to see (best case scenario, one or both of them shine and they serve as either a trade chip or in Webb's case, Eli's successor...in McAdoo's case, maybe he saves face or his job by showing his system can work if the QB play improved) They botched the execution completely but the intent was understandable.
flowers and pugh were first round picks, richburg was a second round pick and their backups were unproven rookies, so McAdoo was going to play the guys who in theory would give them the best chance to win.
RE: The main thing that this interview made me think... Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach. BM was probably intimidated by pushing back on Reese since Reese secured his HC job and just let Reese make the calls. Further, it makes me think that Reese made the call to play Geno and not BM.
Bingo bongo.
RE: RE: The main thing that this interview made me think... Â
Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach.
It was actually reported that Reese didn't want McAdoo as coach.
I don't remember this during the search. Was there speculation on who he wanted? I always thought he was calling him the smartest guy in the room in order to bolster belief in his choice for HC.
Loose cannon. Didn't help his cause for getting another coaching job in the NFL. I hope for his sake he's smart enough to know this. Perhaps he wants to be an analyst.
they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
there is enough video on solder to determine whether or not he is a good/bad/average player in the pros. even though offensive lines are units and the coaching makes a difference, ultimately he can either pass block or he can't; he can either run block or he can't; or he can understand the playbook/audibles and be disciplined with reducing penalties or he can't. it's not as though we are predicting how hernandez will fare in the pros, given he is a draft pick.
Likely spots - Hammock Beach area, Ormond Beach area, or even an outside shot of Palm Coast. With the money he is being paid and looking for the community security/privacy, I would guess he is staying in Hammock Beach.
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
He cannot bend..he tries to pass block standing up straight legged and NFL quality ends go right around him. The only advantage to having him play RT is it allows ELI to see who is getting by Flowers and coming for him. It also helps in the run game because Flowers can run block well due to his size and hopefully open holes for Barkley. Most teams run to the right where a tight end is set up to help run and pass block. I have no idea what Marc Ross and Reese saw in Flowers other than he is a big man. If a tackle cannot lower his center of gravity by bending he cannot pass block in the NFL without help on his side.
they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
Top flight LTs never see free agency. Solder got paid cause he was a FA. And you know Solder isn't a crappy player so I am not sure what you are worrying about.
He lets guys get by him from time to time. If he were a perfect LT he would not have been a free agent. But he has the ability to recover and get back to help block his man. Flowers is a stationary object. Once a guy gets by him he turns into a spectator watching ELI get sacked and chews on his mouth piece like a cow eating grass. So solder is an improvement over Flowers.
is trying to restore his reputation of being stubborn and arrogant by giving these interviews. He has a year of salary left and has to find another Job next year. The fact that he knew all along that Flowers could not bend and therefore could not pass block anyone begs me to wonder why he left Flowers alone on the left side without help most of the time. And he kept blaming Eli for " not getting the ball out quick enough" and that " all QBs have to play in a DIRTY pocket" I agree with the other posters on here that you have to take what he says about new guys like Solder and some moves that DG made that he belittles with a grain of salt.
RE: I will be shocked if he ever gets another job in NFL Â
above position coach. What does he think he has to gain by burying former players? Every word out of his mouth makes you wonder how the Sons of Wellington could be such idiots to hire him in to begin with.
exactly
RE: Is he trying to burn bridges with the rest of the league? Â
SO the G-Men are going to win the division and he gives such astute analysis such as "Washington is Washington."
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
OMG is this guy for real?
Jim Rome broke him down on the CBS Sports minute Â
Romey loves McAdo=n't. From the oversized suit at the press conference that Rome said he borrowed from King Kong Bundy. Gotta admit, that shit was not just funny, but outright hilarious.
Then Rome referenced the slick backed hair. Classic. The oversized wind breaker. The sunglasses. Yeah.
Amazing that management bought it. Idiots.
RE: Arguably one of the dumbest head coaches in NYG History Â
SO the G-Men are going to win the division and he gives such astute analysis such as "Washington is Washington."
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
The argument is going to be "Gettleman had no choice."
But that's how teams get into cap trouble.
He had better be dead wrong about Solder because we just committed to keeping the guy for a few years.
Would things be any better if solder was making 5 million less? He’d still be the starting LT of the giants.
The money stuff is overstated. He was a FA. Giants had a need. By this time next year there will be 4 more guys making more than Solder.
Just like Vernon, solder doesn’t have to be the best LT in football here. He doesn’t even have to always be great especially on the field. Just be solder on and off the field and we will be fine.
EricJ : 8:11 am : link : reply
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
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I literally LOL'ed
EricJ : 8:11 am : link : reply
when he says Flowers cannot play left tackle and yet he played the guy at that position.
So, this means one of two things...
1. McAdoo really is an idiot
OR
2. McAdoo was told he must play the #1 draft pick even if it was to the detriment of the team and even if it put our QB at risk.
Think about this for a minute. Mac felt he had to play Flowers because they didn't have anyone else to play - YET, be benched Eli for Geno fucking Smith.
He's the tool that keeps on drilling a hole in our heads.
Yeah.. I agree with you FMiC
Oh and Bobby Humphrey, in his first year Flowers was so bad that although we may not have had another true LT on the team, I would bet that an athletic DE could have done a better job protecting Eli than Flowers.
The benchmark of "highest paid" shouldn't be the measure attached to Solder. It is just the economics of supply and demand. Reese opted to go cheap when a prototypical LT hit the market the year prior. Instead, he settled on signing a TE known for his blocking to assist in shoring up the OL. Yet, a HC who prior to ascension to OC was a TE coach couldn't figure out how to deploy Rhett to assist in a tackle that can't bend.
This to me is the most interesting piece. The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
Where was all this color when he was the coach? Sure he has to guard his words but there is a middle ground.
Washington is Washington?
Just more evidence that this guy was completely in over his head from every angle imaginable.
It just begs the only question I have left - and one that will never be answered: Whose idea was it to hire this guy? And why?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
Why bench Eli for Geno?
I think he is full of crap, and just trying to justify his lousy coaching job.
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The Maras blackballed Fassel and he went to a Super Bowl, what's going to happen to this guy?
So, you think that John Mara told the rest of the owners that they should not hire Fassel? If Fassel could actually help another team win they would not hire him because John Mara said not to?
Is it also possible that both Fassel and Billick were offered coordinator positions and turned them down?
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
But that's how teams get into cap trouble.
He had better be dead wrong about Solder because we just committed to keeping the guy for a few years.
Good look finding another coaching job in the NFL after these comments.
On what earth is Solder "not a very good player." What the hell is McAdoo looking at?
Let's put that myth to rest. Personnel guys are saying he shouldn't be the highest paid at his position and is average to good.
That's different than being bad. Much different.
How about if other teams called, the Maras did not speak highly of Fassel? Or go out of their way to make recommendation calls on his behalf years later?
Giving factual feedback on your experience with a coach is A LOT different than blackballing.
Not to mention the fact that players came out and said that Fassel did not prepare them for the Superbowl. That is all I would need to hear as a potential employer. No need to even call Mara at that point.. plus the game film does not lie.
It’s a new day but this team is still dependent on many players who are very overrated the schedule is a killer not sure why he would thing they can win the division. He will coach again being fired is not the end of the world in the NFL it’s an education.
We overpaid for him relative to his talent, but that's UFA in a nutshell. His value to the franchise should ease the cost pain.
We'll see how it plays out. I think most of the moves the Giants made (not Gettleman made because the Sons of Wellington are all over everything) were smart. But time will tell.
Rest of comments seem right on par.
You all should re-read and take your meathooks out...
The dig at Solder was the only truly WTF comment. Like, why are you shitting on this guy that never even played for you. It was a dig at the organization that I thought was unnecessary.
If you tell someone it's a good movie, then they watch it and say wtf it's a movie about giant worms and Kevin Bacon, Reba Mcintyre, and Michael J Fox's dad.
But god damn, the guy wants to coach again. He just torched 3 potential job opportunities. And those owners have influence elsewhere as well.
McAdoo is definitely pointing the finger at Reese for not giving him sufficient talent but i don't think McAdoo was Reese's puppet in terms of depth chart. Reese doesn't seem like an intimidating type who would force his preferences on McAdoo .
McAdoo was selected to be the head coach because they wanted to maintain continuity on offense after Coughlin was forced into an early retirement Mara had a significant say in selecting McAdoo, not just Reese. The Eli decision was based on the fact that the year was over in terms of playoffs, so why not give the backups a chance to play to see (best case scenario, one or both of them shine and they serve as either a trade chip or in Webb's case, Eli's successor...in McAdoo's case, maybe he saves face or his job by showing his system can work if the QB play improved) They botched the execution completely but the intent was understandable.
flowers and pugh were first round picks, richburg was a second round pick and their backups were unproven rookies, so McAdoo was going to play the guys who in theory would give them the best chance to win.
It was actually reported that Reese didn't want McAdoo as coach.
Bingo bongo.
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Is that Reese was making all the calls on who played, position they played, and possibly is the reason that Reese pushed hard for BM to be head coach.
It was actually reported that Reese didn't want McAdoo as coach.
I don't remember this during the search. Was there speculation on who he wanted? I always thought he was calling him the smartest guy in the room in order to bolster belief in his choice for HC.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
I didn't see Brady complaining and if Solder was a problem, Brady would have made sure that he was not protecting his blind side years ago.
I'll have to make an effort to stalk the area so if I run in to him, I can punch him the dick.
Don't do that. He may suffer more brain damage.
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they made a decision to try to win now with eli and not draft a qb. they could not go into this season without getting a LT once they made that decision.
I don't agree with McAdoo on Solder, but I have said from the start that he's not as good as many folks think he is. He's an above average LT being paid as a top flight LT. If he remains an above average LT, then he's better than anything we've had at that position in years.
BUT...if McAdoo ends up being correct, then the Giants definitely had a choice. The choice could have been to just accept the situation and not commit a huge chunk of the cap for a crappy player.
Top flight LTs never see free agency. Solder got paid cause he was a FA. And you know Solder isn't a crappy player so I am not sure what you are worrying about.
exactly
He made millions here. Hahaha. Great job.
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
OMG is this guy for real?
Then Rome referenced the slick backed hair. Classic. The oversized wind breaker. The sunglasses. Yeah.
Amazing that management bought it. Idiots.
HE goes on to say Soldier is not a very good player, he is concerned with the center and Flowers is basically a waste. SO to stat with 60% of the OLine is no good and somehow Eli is going to be good enough to win? The guys leading him at the OL will be a rookie 2nd rd pick which he hasn't seen much of apparently and a castoff guard.
OMG is this guy for real?
I think he was drunk. Seriously.
I can’t stop watching and laughing at this hulk gif.
But that's how teams get into cap trouble.
He had better be dead wrong about Solder because we just committed to keeping the guy for a few years.
Would things be any better if solder was making 5 million less? He’d still be the starting LT of the giants.
The money stuff is overstated. He was a FA. Giants had a need. By this time next year there will be 4 more guys making more than Solder.
Just like Vernon, solder doesn’t have to be the best LT in football here. He doesn’t even have to always be great especially on the field. Just be solder on and off the field and we will be fine.