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Rick5 : 7/12/2018 8:59 pm
Hey guys, I need some help to be pointed in the right direction. I have had some golfers elbow problems in the past (fine now). Recently, I ramped up my resistance band training too quickly (added more exercises, sets, and weight) and pulled something on the extensor side in my forearm (new problem - never had it before). Also, I started getting into biking a while back. Everything was fine and I started increasing distance. I didn't think I was doing anything excessive, but once I got up to rides around 25 miles long, I developed tendonitis in both knees. I have been doing a lot of foam rolling and stretching and my knees are about 80% better now. My seat height was also too low according to the bike shop (which may have been part of the problem). I stopped all riding. It's been three months, so I have a physical therapy appointment in two weeks (my doc said he could go either way with the PT as I am getting better and three months is not uncommon at my age).

So, I am starting to realize that the machine is breaking down, and I am no longer a kid. I want to keep doing the things I enjoy, but I am having difficulty finding the right balance without hurting myself. I don't feel like I am doing anything extremely excessive (e.g., I was working out with resistance bands only twice per week). What type of professional should I seek out to help me map out a plan for the types of activities I want to do in a way that my body can handle? I no longer trust my judgment about where the safe limits are. Would this be a physical therapist? A personal trainer? Getting older...it's fun!
a few observations from someone about 15 years ahead of you age-wise -  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2018 9:06 pm : link
- impact exercises like running will probably do more harm than good. May not be true for everyone, but it's generally true as you age. Things like biking and swimming are better then running.

- may seem like a cliche, but yoga is your friend. Improves flexibility, balance and also strength if you get into it more seriously.

- a personal trainer is fine but you don't want one who wants you turn you into Schwarzenegger. More reps at lower weights, if lifting is your thing.

- diet is not unimportant. More fruits and veggies, less meat. Carbs in moderation.

- Try to get exercise doing things you love, like music (hauling amps) or gardening (more strenuous than you might think).

- Not sure where exactly you live, but try to walk instead of driving when you get the chance.
I re-read your post and I see you've been biking -  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2018 9:09 pm : link
I wouldn't give that up, just make adjustments and perhaps do it more in moderation with other things. Moderation, for better or worse, is one of the best ways to adjust to aging.
good stuff, del. Thanks.  
Rick5 : 7/12/2018 9:19 pm : link
You are probably right about more reps and less weight. Maybe it is time to think about Yoga. I have been into zen meditation for decades and also spend a good 30 minutes per day on stretching and massage. I would probably have to give some of that up to add something else. So frustrating. The worst part is that none of this stuff ever has had a warning. It's not like I felt pain and pushed through it. I have always felt totally fine and then "boom" it hurts. With the bike thing, I felt totally fine and then woke up in the middle of the night with both knees on fire. Ugh.
Swimming (or join a rec water polo team)  
Les in TO : 7/12/2018 9:30 pm : link
Yoga and walking
Del is spot on about yoga.  
Section331 : 7/12/2018 9:33 pm : link
Try to incorporate it in to your schedule 3x/week, maybe 1/2 hour per. Biking is good, but it can stress the knees a bit, so I would ice your knees after a long ride. If you aren’t doing weight training, I would look to do some of that too. Keep the weights on the lighter side with more reps.

As we get older, we need to keep our muscle mass up. Good luck!
My neighbor (pretty close friend)  
Rick5 : 7/12/2018 9:37 pm : link
is a yoga instructor. I don't have any good excuses not to give it a shot.
Your knee issues may be Tendinosis rather than ...  
Boy Cord : 7/12/2018 9:42 pm : link
... Tendinitis. I cycle a lot and focus on high intensity. My knees were having problems. I followed a treatment program for Tendinosis, primarily resistance training. Light weight but strict form. Cleared it up in no time and I have not had a problem since. Let me know if you want a brain dump. Oh, and I am in your age range.
Turning 60 in a week  
Bill L : 7/12/2018 9:44 pm : link
Had done zero exercise until a couple months ago...all my sports have been vicariously done over the past 30years..

Was told my knees are gone with arthritis and worn out ligs so I have been stationary biking only. Boring but it’s been helpful. Also, picked up hot yoga around the same time, so maybe 2-3 months now. It was daunting at first (and still is somewhat) and I sucked at it (and still do). But it’s addicitng. I think it’s helped my body a lot. Having said that, I pulled a hamstring doing it and I’m sitting out for a bit. Too much too fast after being too sedentary. It I cannot endorse the yoga recommendation strongly enough. You honestly will feel the difference. But give the hot yoga a chance; there’s nothing more stimulating than a downward facing dog in heat.

Oh wait.....
RE: Turning 60 in a week  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14012311 Bill L said:
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Had done zero exercise until a couple months ago...all my sports have been vicariously done over the past 30years..

Was told my knees are gone with arthritis and worn out ligs so I have been stationary biking only. Boring but it’s been helpful. Also, picked up hot yoga around the same time, so maybe 2-3 months now. It was daunting at first (and still is somewhat) and I sucked at it (and still do). But it’s addicitng. I think it’s helped my body a lot. Having said that, I pulled a hamstring doing it and I’m sitting out for a bit. Too much too fast after being too sedentary. It I cannot endorse the yoga recommendation strongly enough. You honestly will feel the difference. But give the hot yoga a chance; there’s nothing more stimulating than a downward facing dog in heat.

Oh wait.....


Hi Bill L - hope the family is doing well, esp. daughter of L. Is she still playing and/or coaching?
Hi Del  
Bill L : 7/12/2018 9:53 pm : link
Nah, she got a real job so no coaching. Once in a while she scouts some players at Surf Cup (she’s in SD) for the coach she used to assist. Other than she tries old folks leagues until she sprains or breaks something. Hope all is well with you and yours.
RE: Your knee issues may be Tendinosis rather than ...  
Rick5 : 7/12/2018 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14012302 Boy Cord said:
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... Tendinitis. I cycle a lot and focus on high intensity. My knees were having problems. I followed a treatment program for Tendinosis, primarily resistance training. Light weight but strict form. Cleared it up in no time and I have not had a problem since. Let me know if you want a brain dump. Oh, and I am in your age range.

Yeah. I suspect it is. I am familiar with tendonosis. I have done eccentric exercises for years for my forearms. I have been doing eccentric squats on an 25 degree incline board for about a month. Huge improvement. I think I am on the right path with that, but want to check with pt to be sure. I assume you cured it with eccentric squats, clams, etc.? Would be happy to exchange some emails!
I'm in that age range...  
81_Great_Dane : 7/12/2018 11:07 pm : link
... and having similar "body breaking down" issues. I have knee and shoulder problems, and when I tried to ramp up my cardio, developed foot pain, possibly plantar fasciitis. So I let everything calm down and started swimming, which I'd done a lot of before but not recently.

I recommend swimming. It has several advantages: low impact; full-body workout including core; encourages flexibility. Good for aging bodies. However, be careful not to push yourself too hard, too fast. It's easy to overtax your body and develop some unpleasant stress hormone effects, like insomnia. It's happened to me.
59 here  
montanagiant : 7/12/2018 11:10 pm : link
I've lost 97 lbs since last august doing Keto and intermittent fasting. Worked out since Jan up until last month when I realized I tore a bicep. Go easy on the weight lifting and realize we are just not like we were 20 years ago.
Good luck Rick.
+1 on the gardening suggestion  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/13/2018 12:54 am : link
I live on a barrier island off the Gulf Coast of FL, and I spend as much time as possible pruning branches, constructing raised beds, fertilizing, watering, etc. The guys at work always give me a good-natured ribbing, but exactly as someone above pointed out, I always tell them that gardening is much more of a workout than anyone realizes.

I'm 50, by the way.
For the forearm problem...  
manh george : 7/13/2018 2:07 am : link
aka tennis elbow, I strongly recommend BandIT Tennis Elbow & Carpal Tunnel Arm Band.
Tons of  
Rick5 : 7/13/2018 7:37 am : link
good info, guys. Thanks.
ughh  
giantfan2000 : 7/13/2018 7:58 am : link
same thing
I was working out and tweeked my rotator cup
haven't been able to excersice in a couple of weeks
letting it rest and will try again next week

really sucks
I am also over 50 ...  
Beer Man : 7/13/2018 8:48 am : link
and over the last year have suffered tendinitis in both arms. One piece of advice my doctor gave me, that really helped was - When over 50 and doing weight training, if you can't do at least 6 reps at a specific weight level, then you are pushing too much. I no longer try to push my limits, and my tendinitis has healed in one arm, and has greatly improved in the other.
Not sure where you live....  
njm : 7/13/2018 8:59 am : link
but I'm around Del's age get some decent workouts through hiking and (in the winter) snowshoing. You don't get the pounding that accompanies running. There are some decent places in Bergen County NJ for that.
58 here  
Chuck Q : 7/13/2018 9:18 am : link
a good fast walk every morning for 20 -25 minutes on work days 45 min on weekends then core work. free weights with a good bench making sure you have good form. if you've never done weights then I would suggest paying a trainer for a short period so you development good form habits. alternate with pushups days instead of weights. the whole thing should take you no more than an hour on weekdays and a little bit more on weekends. then a good 20 - 30 grms of protein in a shake - I add fresh ginger and sometimes turmeric to reduce inflammation. if I could stop drinking beer some of this might even show.
Getting close myself to that age and its shocking how much  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2018 9:39 am : link
general soreness and recovery time keeps increasing as the years go on.

I now spend much more time in warm-up and stretching before and after a workout than i ever did...it helps
48 and feeling it the past year  
JonC : 7/13/2018 10:02 am : link
lost considerable muscle, endurance, and aches and pains have increased big time.

I've spent more time biking and less time weight training, also doing more reps and less weight, lower frequency of time spent in the gym.

What I really want to do is pick up jiu-jitsu, we need to work more on the core and flexibility as we age, and the yoga suggestion is solid.
If I had the time  
JonC : 7/13/2018 10:04 am : link
I'd be hiking more on the weekends too, biking and hiking work well for me in place of the extended time I used to spend in the gym the past 30 years.

Martial arts, yoga, more time on flexibility and the core training.
RE: ughh  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 14012425 giantfan2000 said:
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same thing
I was working out and tweeked my rotator cup
haven't been able to excersice in a couple of weeks
letting it rest and will try again next week

really sucks


I did a similar thing a couple of years ago and I'm 56. My Orthopedist said to drop shoulder presses from my weight training workouts. Said they are one of the highest potential injury causing resistance exercises out there. The risk/reward isn't close to making them worth doing now.

He had me switch to raises so my shoulders still get some work. I do both dumb bell and cable and I've never tweaked it again or even felt any discomfort in either shoulder. Once in a blue moon I'll do a couple of overhead presses but with very little weight. More for a range of motion/stretch type of thing but never with any weight that I can feel even a little resistance with.
Any overhead press  
JonC : 7/13/2018 10:12 am : link
will impact the shoulders, the neck, and right down the spine.
54 here.  
Beezer : 7/13/2018 10:25 am : link
Happy so be able to say that I can still lift heavy, but have just changed some exercises. Like Jon said, can't do military press or other similar movements. My back sucks and I've never been bendy. Been doing more hiking the past few years - especially the past few months - and I try to get on the elliptical at the gym. But I also try to keep gym visits under 90 minutes, unless it's a weekend morning and I'm working out with my wife - those sometimes get to 2 hours, but it doesn't seem bad.

Kinda wish I could still do duathlons like I did, but the running isn't happening. Hated then, anyway. Now, just can't. Messes me up in too many ways. Stationary bike at home or at the gym some, but mostly the lower-impact.

I know a day is coming when I can't lift the same. But I may be an addict. I just really enjoy it, and I can actually lift more weight now in many exercises than at 44, 34, even 24, and the only supplements I take are aminos/drinks. The boost I get on heavy days - can't beat it.

But man, the joint pain. lol NOT FUN! Wife says I should get on some arthritis med, but no thanks. I'd rather know what's what, at least for now. Some days it sucks ... bad. But then it gets better.

It'll only go downhill. lol So I'm embracing it while I can.
as a fitness professional  
UESBLUE : 7/13/2018 10:30 am : link
for over 20 years heres my advice: Have your PT do an overall body diagnostic/movement screen to discover limited ranges of motion, muscular imbalances etc. Often large muscle groups are out of ratio with small and this creates all kinds of joint issues. Have him/her precsribe various "pre-hab" exercises to address.
Then perhaps a few sessions with a trainer to get a program and an overall understanding. After that you should be good on your own, perhaps do a few sessions with trainer again at some point to change up yur program etc.
RE: Any overhead press  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 14012519 JonC said:
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will impact the shoulders, the neck, and right down the spine.


Very true and when I say once in a blue moon with very little weight I do mean very little weight. Almost none, and it's really just to get that movement in my shoulders while not risking any potential injury. Definitely not even close to a 3 set of 5-6 reps type of thing.

I'll drop 1-2 sets of a super light weight in once a month or every other month. Certainly nothing that's going to give me much benefit other than a piece of mind thing knowing my shoulders are healed and I can still raise my arms straight up over my head. Even if it's with little to no resistance.
Closing in on 70  
Giants : 7/13/2018 10:57 am : link
As another stated about hiking I'm all in.I hike every week a couple of times a week.I lift light weights high reps.When I turned 55 I decided it was time to lose weight going forward.It took a full year I went from 212 lbs down to 185 lbs. I went from eating everything and anything to eating health. I also treat myself to anything I want when I go on a vacation. Then I go right back to eating right once the vacation is over.I have no health problems and I do mean none. So it took some changes but it was well worth it. Good luck to you
I screwed up my back....  
Robert : 7/13/2018 11:47 am : link
some years ago and had to go to PT. My last day there she asked me if I wanted to come back to her and I said of course not. She told me to take a yoga class because that's what she was doing with me and I never even knew it. If you're already stretching, you're halfway there and just need some guidance.
I'll be 57 in a couple of weeks  
ij_reilly : 7/13/2018 12:24 pm : link
I like strength training. I always work with a trainer, I've had the same trainer for several years.

Sometimes he pushes me too much and I get injured. I've become better at backing him off, better at communicating. He doesn't know what 50+ feels like!

We do very little single-rep maximum testing. It's fun when we do it, but that's not the goal.

I've increased muscle mass and strength tremendously. My joints are much less stressed. My energy level is better, my balance is much better.

Deadlifts are a big focus. We use the trap bar, which is a genius invention. Much safer for the back. Two years ago my single rep max was 340. I tested a couple of weeks ago and hit 405.

A better gauge of where I am is 8 sets, 3 reps, at 335 pounds, with 90 seconds between sets. Followed by an AMRAP at 310 (last time I hit 6, so we'll go up from 335 next time).

I don't intend to suggest that strength training is everything. As noted throughout this thread, other activities, like yoga and walking, are great ideas. A mix of exercise routines is essential.

But I do want to put in a plug for the benefits of strength training, based on my experience.

I would never do this kind of heavy lifting without a trainer. I would hurt myself for sure.
im 68  
bobc : 7/13/2018 3:34 pm : link
I believe heavily in power lifting. A solid schedule works well. I bench 285 and see no bad effects from it. the older you get the more doctors talk about muscle loss being a dangerous situation. I also golf for flexibility and play pickle ball for endurance. I try to lift 30 mins 5 days a week and pickle ball 3 times a week. Golf whenever possible.
quick word about testing  
UESBLUE : 7/13/2018 3:52 pm : link
1RM: Its fun being competitive with yourself but do NOT do it without supervision or at the very least an experienced spotter. And make sure you are fully warmed up without being overtaxed. Its a fine line...
I'll probably get negative responses to this  
ron mexico : 7/13/2018 3:54 pm : link
But Crossfit can be a great option if you can find a good gym.

You get the benefit of having a trainer for every session watching your form and tailoring the workouts to your ability and a nice mix of strength, endurance and flexibility work.

More expensive than a globo gym buy less than a personal trainer.

We have a bunch of 50+ people at my gym killing it.

But having good coaches, listening to then and listening to your body is key. There is plenty opportunity for injury if you don't.
wow  
giantfan2000 : 7/13/2018 6:21 pm : link
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did a similar thing a couple of years ago and I'm 56. My Orthopedist said to drop shoulder presses from my weight training workouts. Said they are one of the highest potential injury causing resistance exercises out there. The risk/reward isn't close to making them worth doing now.

He had me switch to raises so my shoulders still get some work. I do both dumb bell and cable and I've never tweaked it again or even felt any discomfort in either shoulder.


thanks so much for the tip!!! I definitely was doing a ton of shoulder presses in my workout

what about burpees ? can you still do them ? or does that injury rotator cuff as well?
I'm 50 and had lower back problems for years  
Rob in Rockaway : 7/13/2018 6:31 pm : link
2 Herniated discs. Would re-injure doing things like tying my shoes, etc. My back problems went away when I started doing the exercises everyone told me would hurt my back - deadlifts and back squats. Now mind you I started these with embarrassing light weights and focused 100% on correct form which took an enormous amount of time. Like 2 years for me.

I had to remind myself of the goal when I would be in the power rack and the girl next to me was squatting double or triple the weight I was using.

I do believe in heavy lifting as a way to keep testosterone levels up as we age. It's also fun.
RE: wow  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14012807 giantfan2000 said:
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did a similar thing a couple of years ago and I'm 56. My Orthopedist said to drop shoulder presses from my weight training workouts. Said they are one of the highest potential injury causing resistance exercises out there. The risk/reward isn't close to making them worth doing now.

He had me switch to raises so my shoulders still get some work. I do both dumb bell and cable and I've never tweaked it again or even felt any discomfort in either shoulder.



thanks so much for the tip!!! I definitely was doing a ton of shoulder presses in my workout

what about burpees ? can you still do them ? or does that injury rotator cuff as well?


I still do them or something similar. I'm just careful on the push-up part. I do more of a drop down, squat, kick back and then back up and only really use my shoulders as more of a plank type thing during them than a weight bearing push-up thing.

Honestly any type of press stresses my shoulders and even though I still bench, I'm real cautious of the amount of weight I use while also being really focused on bar and elbow position. I've found bringing the bar down right at my middle pecs is the least stressful for me. Any higher or lower and I can feel my shoulders being used more. Lower is especially bad for me.

One more he had me drop was the chin raise, whether bar bell or Smith machine with the same reasoning as shoulder presses. I can still do shrugs with no problem but the chin raises definitely bothered my shoulders and no problems since dropping them as well.

I don't feel any stress or pain with front, side, or rear delt raises, but again I don't go heavy with anything shoulder related. I go about as heavy as I can in order to do sets of 10-12. Sometimes 8 but I have to be conscious of pushing it. Definitely don't want to go through another shoulder injury.
I have been driving and just checked  
Rick5 : 7/13/2018 10:08 pm : link
in at a hotel. Just catching up on the thread. Thanks. I am glad I started the thread. A lot of good info.
RE: I have been driving and just checked  
Bill L : 7/14/2018 6:46 am : link
In comment 14012910 Rick5 said:
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in at a hotel. Just catching up on the thread. Thanks. I am glad I started the thread. A lot of good info.
im glad you did too. I know that we’ve been hanging out here for a couple of decades so it’s unsurprising that there’s so many old farts, but it’s still nice to see that there’s so many with the same concerns and issues as me. It helps to know that my pains and age-related changes aren’t unique to me and that makes for tons of good advice on how best to approach old things in new ways.
RE: RE: I have been driving and just checked  
Rick5 : 7/14/2018 7:09 am : link
In comment 14012976 Bill L said:
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In comment 14012910 Rick5 said:


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in at a hotel. Just catching up on the thread. Thanks. I am glad I started the thread. A lot of good info.

im glad you did too. I know that we’ve been hanging out here for a couple of decades so it’s unsurprising that there’s so many old farts, but it’s still nice to see that there’s so many with the same concerns and issues as me. It helps to know that my pains and age-related changes aren’t unique to me and that makes for tons of good advice on how best to approach old things in new ways.

I had exactly the same thoughts, Bill. We have a lot of company!
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