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how do Giants now match up against rest of the NFC East

CMicks3110 : 7/13/2018 7:35 am
Dallas: I think our defense can and will shut down there offense. We have very big bodies on our dline that can and has shown in the past the ability to shut down their powerful run game. Now that they have lost dez and witten, who both have killed us in the past, and have added a bunch of slot receivers, there offense scares me very little. On defense I think they are the one team in the division that could shut down our intermediate passing game. They have very good linebackers and a reasonably stout d-line, and young secondary. Our skill players are second to none, so I'm sure if our o-line holds up we can do damage, but I can see games where we go long stretches in games with only 1-3 first downs, bollowed by an explosive play, not consistent dominance.

Philly: We have proven that we can score on these guys. There linebackers are weaker with the loss of kendricks and I believe another player. There d-line is great, and I hope our revamped o-line can hold its own. The good thing about shurmer's offense is there is not a ton of 7 step drops, and I think our skill players can get open quickly against these guys, so I could see us playing well against them. There offense has always given us trouble. They retain a very good o-line and I don't know how much pass russ we can generate. A lot depends on our blitz packages and ability of corners to be sticky. They could do well attacking us down the middle of the field, exploiting people like goodson, vernon, thompson with players like Ertz, and their running backs.

Washington: There offense is pretty average across the board. Sort of a poor man's giants: eli& gt; smith; barkley& gt;guice; shepard& gt;crowder, obj& gt;doctson; engram& gt;reed, the players at there skill positions are actually quite similar. Just not as good. They do have a good o-line and that helps, but we have shown the ability to stop them. I do think there defense is ascending. They have a solid d-line and linebacking corps, and there corners are good as well. Will be interesting to see if the coaching can pull it all together.

I can see 2 wins vs. dallas, and splits against washington/philadelphia.

Thoughts?
NFC East divisional matchups  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2018 7:41 am : link
are impossible to predict year-to-year.

Except, of course, we lose to Eagles a lot in dramatic fashions...
signing guy like Zak Kerin?  
I Love Clams Casino : 7/13/2018 8:04 am : link
not very well
Philly owns the Giants...  
M.S. : 7/13/2018 8:41 am : link

...and that won't change until we can start beating those bastards.
It will be interesting to see  
beatrixkiddo : 7/13/2018 10:22 am : link
how quick this team catches on to the new defensive scheme. I think our Defense as a whole is very thin, and until we see some game action, I'm really skeptical of how effective they will be.

Right now, the Giants have put all their chips in to rebuilding this offense, and that will make and break us. If we can get a consistent run game, and sustain longer offensive drives I think like Dallas, it will help cover up some of the flaws we currently have there as a unit. This offense can't rely on the defense to go out and shut down opponents, and play conservative all game. Our offense needs to be aggressive, for us to be successful.

I can see us splitting the division 3-3. Washington has greatly and quietly improved their defense into maybe one of the better overall defenses in the division, Offense is rather blah. Eagles have secondary questions, but an elite pass rush, and best most balanced Offense in the division so far. Dallas' Def. always finds a way to play above their heads, and while their Offense lost two starters and got replaced with a bunch of question marks, they added even more talent to their O-line (Connor Williams), They will continue to run the ball down their opponents throats even with limited receiving threats.

We have two new systems being put in place on Offense and Defense, hard to say how we will match up until we see them in real game action. Right now I'd say we have to give the advantage to out opponents until we see how this team take on the new schemes.
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arcarsenal : 7/13/2018 11:56 am : link
Allen Hurns is Dallas' #1 WR now.

Just thought I'd remind people of that.
You've got to look at  
HoustonGiant : 7/13/2018 12:45 pm : link
how the other teams fair against the Cardinals the last few years. That's the only real insight into our D
Division games mean nothing on paper, but  
Brown Recluse : 7/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
I'm not really that worried about Dallas or Washington.

I really think Dak Prescott is going to be in trouble without Dez Bryant and Jason Witten - unless Michael Gallop hits the ground running (this was Sy's highest rated WR in the draft). Their offense is going to be really one-dimensional this year.

Washington is the same middling team they always are. Nothing ever really changes with them.

The Eagles look even better than they did last season though. Adding Michael Bennett to the defensive line was a great move for them. And Mike Wallace is a nice deep threat for an offense that already has Ertz and Jeffery.

No one can ever predict how division games will go though.
I wouldn't count Washington out......  
Simms11 : 7/13/2018 2:19 pm : link
Smith is a very capable QB and they have a nice corps of skilled players on offense too. They also have an Oline, something that we do not yet have. Eagles will again be a challenge and unless our lines get more physical with them we won't be winning many of those battles with them yet. I think we match up the best with Dallas right now. If we can control Dallas's DLine then we will probably be in good shape against them. Do we win the 2nd game of the season in Dallas on a Sunday night?! It's anyone's guess at that point with a new scheme on both sides of the ball. 3-3 this year against the Division will be all I think we can ask....splitting all our contests.
There's the Eagles  
DavidinBMNY : 7/13/2018 3:00 pm : link
And everyone else. If your optimistic, your hoping the Giants are in wild card contention.
It's way about the war of  
barens : 7/13/2018 4:47 pm : link
attrition, because everyone is so evenly matched.
We have star players at certain positions,  
Doomster : 7/13/2018 5:09 pm : link
but if the OL does not perform, if Eli does not come up big this year, if the offense does not stay healthy, and if this offense does not develop a winning attitude, this team is going nowhere.....the defense is over rated by BBI....it is a defense in transition, and thin at every position....

So how does it stack up as a team against the Eagles, a team that just seems to have it's number? Not Favorably....

Alex Smith at QB for the Skins? Giants will have no problem with them....

Yes Dallas has a lot of new pieces....but I think they may surprise a lot of people....

This offense has to do a complete 180 of the last few seasons, and come flying out of the blocks for this team to have a shot at a wild card....and if the defense comes together as the season progresses, and can avoid the injury bug, like the offense must also do, then who knows?
We don't know how the Giants stack up.......  
Alwaysblue22 : 7/13/2018 5:18 pm : link
Until the real games are played. Before then everything is speculation. The Giants should be better than last years team that won only three games. So if they win four they are an improved football team. I wish they had a better wide out opposite Odell Beckham, Jr. than Cody Latimer. I do not think Sterling Shepard will excel in a split outside reviver role in the NFL. He is strictly a slot receiver. But a good one. Who knows who we may pick up off of waivers before camp ends.
without any due respect to our former coach B__ M_____  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/13/2018 5:35 pm : link
I think every team in the NFCE is going to be very tough this year -- I'll be happy if we split our games with each team - if we do better than that -- look out
RE: .  
old man : 7/13/2018 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14012605 arcarsenal said:
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Allen Hurns is Dallas' #1 WR now.

Just thought I'd remind people of that.


And that's why they drafted Williams, Scarborough, Gallup:
Ground attack, after ground attack, then occasional pass.
RE: RE: .  
mrvax : 7/13/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14012831 old man said:
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In comment 14012605 arcarsenal said:


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Allen Hurns is Dallas' #1 WR now.

Just thought I'd remind people of that.



And that's why they drafted Williams, Scarborough, Gallup:
Ground attack, after ground attack, then occasional pass.


If you think about it, that's saying our QB sucks.
Philly and Washington  
joeinpa : 7/13/2018 8:17 pm : link
Have better quarterback play, unless Eli shows considerable improvement.

Wouldn't be so confident of a 4-2 record.
Giants win the division  
WillVAB : 7/13/2018 10:13 pm : link
If health is in their favor. The Giants off-season this year was very similar to the Eagles last year — a vision for how to build the roster and execution of that vision with very few “splash” moves. When everyone had the Giants and Dallas penciled in as the contenders last year I was telling people to watch out for the Eagles.

The Skins lack star power on offense and defense so they’re out. The Cowboys don’t have a passing game. The Eagles are good but vulnerable in the secondary.

My guess is the Giants sweep Dallas/Wash and split with Philly.
Giants 16-0  
youtoo2 : 7/14/2018 10:31 am : link
Thats right. We are loaded at all positions. Get hyped!
Giants will set the record for points scored and the record for points allowed. Greatest team EVER! Giants are so great we will be talking about how boring the games are when the Giants are up 30-0 at half time every game.

Predictions:

Eli: 6000 yards passing, 60 TDs. MVP of the league
Odell: 2500 yards receiving
Saquon: 3000 yards combined rushing and receiving.

Vernon: 30 Sack season. I called it first dude. Defensive Player of the year.
Janoris: 15 interceptions.

RE: Giants 16-0  
arcarsenal : 7/14/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 14013018 youtoo2 said:
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Thats right. We are loaded at all positions. Get hyped!
Giants will set the record for points scored and the record for points allowed. Greatest team EVER! Giants are so great we will be talking about how boring the games are when the Giants are up 30-0 at half time every game.

Predictions:

Eli: 6000 yards passing, 60 TDs. MVP of the league
Odell: 2500 yards receiving
Saquon: 3000 yards combined rushing and receiving.

Vernon: 30 Sack season. I called it first dude. Defensive Player of the year.
Janoris: 15 interceptions.


AWASOM.
RE: Giants 16-0  
Jimmy Googs : 7/14/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 14013018 youtoo2 said:
Quote:
Thats right. We are loaded at all positions. Get hyped!
Giants will set the record for points scored and the record for points allowed. Greatest team EVER! Giants are so great we will be talking about how boring the games are when the Giants are up 30-0 at half time every game.

Predictions:

Eli: 6000 yards passing, 60 TDs. MVP of the league
Odell: 2500 yards receiving
Saquon: 3000 yards combined rushing and receiving.

Vernon: 30 Sack season. I called it first dude. Defensive Player of the year.
Janoris: 15 interceptions.


this seems directionally correct...
Youtoo2,  
Doomster : 7/14/2018 2:48 pm : link
are you wearing the blue tints while smoking that stuff? Kind of lethal.....
We need to start the season "on fire" and surprise  
SGMen : 7/14/2018 5:34 pm : link
while staying healthy.

I think, when it comes to starters, our offense is behind only Philly and not by much. Mainly cause Philly's OL seems better still and such. But hard to say until the games are played, of course.

I think the Dallas defense will struggle early so our getting them early is a good omen. They won't scare anyone throwing the ball. We can stop the run game but we'll struggle against passing teams like Philly.

Washington is a .500 team in my eyes.

Philly is the only team I say has a winning record FOR SURE unless of course injuries mount.
Surprisingly well if the OL can block for Barkley  
dpinzow : 7/14/2018 6:40 pm : link
and somewhat protect Eli
I expect 2-4 in the division  
giantstock : 7/14/2018 7:23 pm : link
I don't think ELi nor the OLine is that good. The secondary is a big question. The pass rush a concern.
RE: Surprisingly well if the OL can block for Barkley  
SGMen : 7/15/2018 5:39 am : link
In comment 14013233 dpinzow said:
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and somewhat protect Eli
I do believe this OL will run block and TE Ellison wll be a force. We may see a lot of two TE sets where Engram plays the "slot" so to speak or may stay inline to block since he's 240 pounds now. We'll see how it goes in camp but the prospects of Eli having a run game make me giddy.

Hernandez must be a mauler as a rookie cause you need that BIG GUY for short yardage and goal line. He'll be next to veteran Solder so I expect him to do well but until the games are played, we of course won't know.
RE: Philly owns the Giants...  
TMS : 7/15/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14012454 M.S. said:
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...and that won't change until we can start beating those bastards.
Agree after many, many years of watching this rivalry. They own our ass and anytime we beat them twice we are on our way. Splitting with them is a pretty good season. Hate them and their low class fans. Would love to see it change.
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