A big game tying 420' HR off the Cy Young winner but gets a seat on the bench the next day vs a rookie RH, and Walker gets to play again! What am I missing?
A big game tying 420' HR off the Cy Young winner but gets a seat on the bench the next day vs a rookie RH, and Walker gets to play again! What am I missing?
Yea, I had thought you guys had been just been hard on Booner but that is a fucking head scratcher. I can only think that Boone is figuring this is just a phase Walker is going thru.
I know it seems like an everyday theme with some of my posts but I'm really not someone who thinks he knows it all. I'm honestly just confused by his lineups and why he sits guys who are hot or had a big hit/game the previous one.
Never mind his penchant for resting guys ahead of a scheduled off day or looking ahead to the next game instead of just taking the win that's right in front of him.
I've never seen a manager cool his own guys off like Boone does. I guess on the bright side at least Wade is in there tonight, as he should be imo.
don't follow too closely, but no Romine after last nights 4k at bat makes sense. Romi sucked last night from a casual fans perspective.
Yes he did offensively but his number one job is his defense.
Anything we get from his bat is gravy IMO. I mean I expect him to be decent offensively, just with all the other bats in the lineup I'm not expecting him to be needed to win a game with his bat. If he does, that's a bonus to me.
That said, he's going to get another day off in the next two games, probably Sunday afternoon after the night game tomorrow. Does he need to sit two of the last four before the break when he's our best defensive catcher? He did throw out a base stealer last night in a big spot and Higgy has yet to show he can do that.
RE: Who needs a rest day with the all star break coming up? Â
My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.
RE: RE: Who needs a rest day with the all star break coming up? Â
My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they were measuring things like speed to first base and bat speed and if it drops too far below the average you sit automatically
Yea I'm all for the "It's a long season" philosophy Â
My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they were measuring things like speed to first base and bat speed and if it drops too far below the average you sit automatically
If they are, that's absurd! Didi had plenty of bat speed to jack one 420' last night regardless of anything else. I seem to remember a stout play in the field last night as well.
Who the hell cares about those type of analytics when you can see with your own eyes if a guy really needs a day off?
Joe Binder seems like a by the seat of his pants manager compared to some of these analytics, if that's what these head scratching moves are dictated by.
the naked eye isn't always the best judge and non-linear equations can be pretty complex. Might not just be bat speed, it could be fluctuation in bat speed (IE the home run swing was fast but others where much slower)
Anyway it's quite possible that they have models showing the probabilities of injuries of varying severity using many factors that we haven't even named. I think you are oversimplifying a very complex problem and especially in light of the way the Yankees are developing players and making trades I definitely think they have some effective models.
But Didi is about to get 4 days off why the hell sit him unless he's nicked up?
There have been multiple examples this season of posters flipping out about resting guys, only to find out that the player was in fact dealing with something. It hasn’t stopped the daily lineup crusification of course, but I’m fairly confident that Boone and the staff have more intel into what’s going on behind closed doors than the posters on BBI. But it doesn’t seem to matter much. I guess Boone’s just an idiot
the naked eye isn't always the best judge and non-linear equations can be pretty complex. Might not just be bat speed, it could be fluctuation in bat speed (IE the home run swing was fast but others where much slower)
Anyway it's quite possible that they have models showing the probabilities of injuries of varying severity using many factors that we haven't even named. I think you are oversimplifying a very complex problem and especially in light of the way the Yankees are developing players and making trades I definitely think they have some effective models.
Maybe so but Boone has already said his resting guys the day before an off day is just something he likes to do and there's no scientific evidence it works. It's just his thing.
I'm thinking some of these other moves are more his doing than analytics as well. While I don't work in analytics, I think having watched sports for decades it's easy enough to tell when a guy needs a blow and when he doesn't. To me Didi was playing well and had plenty of energy. With the break coming up that should be his time off, not now.
But Didi is about to get 4 days off why the hell sit him unless he's nicked up?
There have been multiple examples this season of posters flipping out about resting guys, only to find out that the player was in fact dealing with something. It hasn’t stopped the daily lineup crusification of course, but I’m fairly confident that Boone and the staff have more intel into what’s going on behind closed doors than the posters on BBI. But it doesn’t seem to matter much. I guess Boone’s just an idiot
Care to list a couple of those multiple examples of finding out afterwards of players dealing with something?
Just curious, how do you feel about guys getting a day off before a scheduled day off when Boone himself said there isn't anything nagging them?
Torres recently when no one knew about his injury and you freaked out that he was sitting for Walker
Wade early in the season when he didn’t start a game
Judge when he had a day off after telling Boone he was tired
Sanchez a billion times after getting banged up the day before
Gardner awhile back
Should I keep going or is it coming back to you now? And again, you won’t know every freakin issue a player has. Most of this stuff is kept in house. But don’t let that stop you from acting like you know more than the manger that is in the clubhouse with these guys every day
At least 5 balls in the K-Zone called balls because he lunges at pitches. Sanchez does the same but only a couple times here and there.
Cannot have Higgy, Walker and Wade in the same game.
Come see back if course they were down 3-1 and took the lead the next inning can the Yankees do the same I mean a guy with the last name Bieber is pitching lol
Come see back if course they were down 3-1 and took the lead the next inning can the Yankees do the same I mean a guy with the last name Bieber is pitching lol
Torres recently when no one knew about his injury and you freaked out that he was sitting for Walker
Wade early in the season when he didn’t start a game
Judge when he had a day off after telling Boone he was tired
Sanchez a billion times after getting banged up the day before
Gardner awhile back
Should I keep going or is it coming back to you now? And again, you won’t know every freakin issue a player has. Most of this stuff is kept in house. But don’t let that stop you from acting like you know more than the manger that is in the clubhouse with these guys every day
Exaggerate much?
I never freaked out about any of that. Even the day off before a scheduled day off that I don't like at all and have made that known, I never freaked out about.
I realize they like to keep things in house but that doesn't mean we can't question why they made a move.
I've questioned moves and wondered why, while putting my thinking out for discussion. I've never once said or thought I knew better than the manager and have said that in my posts. It is a discussion forum after all, and if someone knew an answer for why, that was what I was looking for or seeing how others felt about the moves.
In fact there's been times posters have had info about something and I've appreciated their replies and acknowledged I hadn't known that.
It's funny to me how you can see freaking out in a question or discussion on a message board that has zero verbal communication. Maybe we need some emojis so you can be shown when someone is actually freaking out, pissed off or just looking for an answer or discussion.
You literally whine, bitch, moan and complain about the lineup every single time a starter gets a day off. You can decide to call it freaking out or not, I don’t care. But what I do know is it’s annoying as fuck.
But whatever man, I’m done mentioning it. It’s obvious that you won’t stop, so enjoy. If that’s your thing, have at it
You literally whine, bitch, moan and complain about the lineup every single time a starter gets a day off. You can decide to call it freaking out or not, I don’t care. But what I do know is it’s annoying as fuck.
But whatever man, I’m done mentioning it. It’s obvious that you won’t stop, so enjoy. If that’s your thing, have at it
Again I think you're really exaggerating.
The only times I even bring up a starter getting a day off is after he has a good game or is finally heating up. Eg, the days Sanchez got off after his big HR's, Bird getting a day when he was finally coming around, Didi getting a big HR last night.
I've got no problem resting players as they obviously can't play everyday. I just question the timing of those rests and wonder if others feel the same. Nothing more,nothing less.
It seems to me you take that wrong and have a problem with it. I've never meant for my posts to come across as all knowing and annoying so I'll be mindful of that going forward but honestly, if you read my post above about Didi, all I asked was was I missing something? Not sure how that can be whining and annoying as fuck but I guess to you it is.
Might be a future reliever. The ability to miss bats is obvious but the command just is not there. This inconsistency is frustrating and it might be time to give someone else a shot
And Boone letting him face Ramirez again is a head scratcher
It’s all good. Didn’t mean to side track the game thread. At any rate, rough outing for German. Need some more runs boys!
As a side note, I have an irrational belief in Wade. I have no idea why, and it’s certainly not based on anything he’s done at the MLB level, I just feel like he’s a potentially very valuable piece to this team.
It’s all good. Didn’t mean to side track the game thread. At any rate, rough outing for German. Need some more runs boys!
As a side note, I have an irrational belief in Wade. I have no idea why, and it’s certainly not based on anything he’s done at the MLB level, I just feel like he’s a potentially very valuable piece to this team.
Me too and not to keep this going but after his three hits the other night I really didn't understand him sitting last night. Lol. Definitely brought it up for discussion and again, I'll try and be sure it comes across that way in the future.
I'm not a whiner, complainer or know it all in my every day life and no way do I think I am or mean to be one here. No doubt I get frustrated by some of the moves like the ones I mentioned, and question them but that's really all its meant to be.
Now let's get to their pen and score some more runs. This game can be had.
because he wanted him to hit for Wade. Not the worst decision.
Jesus christ. Didi and Andujar with zero patience.
Boone let German start the 5th for zero reason, i dont give a fuck about trying to let him get through 5 so he cna be eligible for the win, then he has judge run into an out.
is why I make Andujar available in trade talks for a big pitcher.
He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.
They can’t all be hits. But that’s just a shortcoming in approach right there.
If you drive that ball and it’s an out, I’ll live with it. But it was junk, he jumped out of his shoes, and just rolls over a grounder.
I dont see him reaching his ceiling or even close to it because of his plate discipline. He'd be a good guy to sell high on imo. It's like he decides if he's going to swing before the pitch is even thrown. He's bound to have some Alfonso Soriano type playoff performances
is why I make Andujar available in trade talks for a big pitcher.
He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.
A couple of problems with that IMO.
One is there's no big pitcher, Ace, Verlander type available this year and secondly, while he most likely will be a free, aggressive swinger, patience and game situations will get better with experience.
The more big spots he gets up in the more comfortable he'll be in them IMO. He's come through big this year for the team and no reason for me to think he won't continue to.
No doubt he got antsy there in the 9th but I need to see him cotinue to make the same mistake over and over before I'm willing to let that bat go in a trade, especially since there doesn't seem to be an Ace out there for the getting.
Don’t think they can send German out for his next start. 5.50 era now and that’s after a scoreless start to begin his season. Just too many times where he’s not giving the team a real chance to win. Clearly talented but too unreliable given the stakes of each game now
than Boone's moronic decision to send Judge with GIANCARLO FUCKING STANTON on deck as the tying run. In addition, he decides to play "Let's bring in Jonathan Holder a batter too late for the second time on the road trip" (although Holder wasn't lights out). I'm not exactly loving Boone. We have a shitload of talent and it would be hard for anyone to mess this up. I'm not quite sure what he's bringing to the table.
Andujar is a kid. His BB% has improved each month. Let's not get crazy.
Pretty much every game they've lost lately is a game they probably should have won. Frustrating.
Agreed, and while the Indians are a good club they don't scare me, and I think the Yanks are certainly better. Frustrating indeed but they were bound to win one sooner or later vs the Yanks, especially at home.
But I have to say he’s nailing the presser. Not being a dickhead, admitting that he’s second guessing the Judge steal now, but sharing some solid rationale about why he did it. Most importantly, didn’t throw Hicks under the bus.
Truth is - Hicks is a hitter with good discipline, and Boone made a bet that a) he puts a strike in play or b) you get a successful steal via Judge’s speed and the pitchers slow delivery.
I still don’t like the decision. But he’s good at navigating the aftermath.
Funny you say that, I had it written in reverse first. And then I told myself to stop being a cheap homer.
I think Andular as a starting point to get DeGrom has to be available to the Mets. Him or Bumgarner are really the only two pitchers I'd include Miggy in a trade for.
After that, I wouldn't want to give up more than one of the other three. Each of them would hurt to give up but to get quality it's gotta hurt a bit but two of those four is fair to start with IMO. If we give them more on the next level it should be enough and fair to both teams but I really don't think A: the Mets want to deal Jake and B, not to the Yanks if they do trade him.
I'd love to have him but put the chances at less than 5%. More because of the Mets than the Yanks not willing to give up enough.
I’m rooting for the SF Giants to lose every night.
Sabean is a guy who will do business if it’s clear he should be a seller, without any of the bullshit.
Bumgarner is probably hard to get. Does it get easier if you agree to take back Cueto or Samardzija?
Something that could make sense for both sides:
Bumgarner
Cueto
Watson
Sonny Gray
Ellsbury
Frazier
Sheffield
Adams
Drury
If SFG don’t find the Cueto/Ells portion of that deal to be beneficial, strike that part. Figured they may like it because Ells is a year less.
Question is what MadBum wants after next year. Money won’t be the issue, but does he re-sign here? He’s an outdoorsman...show him all that NYS has to offer!
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Frustrating loss. Allen is struggling to throw strikes, is struggling in general this year and we bail him out twice in the 9th by swinging at the first pitch. Have to be smarter than that.
Even worse was the strike out / throw out in the 8th. I get that Boone was trying to avoid an inning ending DP by putting Judge in motion and had faith that Hicks would put the ball in play, but you have to get Stanton up that inning with at least a man on.
Of course, he hit the HR in the 9th - with no one on.
I still think German has some great stuff to work with - but he has a ways to go still. For the time being, I'm fine using him at the back end of the rotation, but I do think we're going to need a starter.
Maybe Sheffield can be that guy. I'd like to see him get a shot before wasting anything on some "meh" guy like Happ.
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It appears like Stanton has moved slightly closer to the plate and his stance is not as closed. He's been raking.
Judge needs to move an inch or 2 closer to the plate. He can't reach the outside corner and takes too many strikes there. His a$$ and left foot go in the bucket all the time.
This team does very little situational hitting.
Some of these young guys need to realize they are not Babe Ruth.
I know you need to give some guys a break but Boone's lineups are baffling at times. He's got people shifting around all the time. A little continuity would be nice.
Sonny Gray's last start was OK. I sit him down before his next start and tell him he needs to attack the strike zone. If not, he should be sent down to AAA to learn how.
German needs to do the same as Gray. He has the stuff although his delivery mechanics are a recipe for inconsistency.
Phillies are said to be "serious" in their Manny pursuit and are thought to be running ahead of the yankees and maybe most others at this point. also in: brewers, dodgers, dbacks, indians.
Phillies are said to be "serious" in their Manny pursuit and are thought to be running ahead of the yankees and maybe most others at this point. also in: brewers, dodgers, dbacks, indians.
His going to the Phillies might be the best possible outcome for the Yanks. An in-season trade removes the ability of the new team to make a tender offer, thereby removing any draft pick compensation and IFA pool loss.
Sending him to the NL also removes the chances of him hurting the Yanks in the offseason (until the World Series, and I just don't see the Phillies making it that far).
Finally, as much as the Phillies believe that they can be competitive in FA with Machado, the big problem is that Philly isn't exactly a place players go to willingly.
It would also allow the Yanks to use any trade chips towards pitching.
Phillies are said to be "serious" in their Manny pursuit and are thought to be running ahead of the yankees and maybe most others at this point. also in: brewers, dodgers, dbacks, indians.
His going to the Phillies might be the best possible outcome for the Yanks. An in-season trade removes the ability of the new team to make a tender offer, thereby removing any draft pick compensation and IFA pool loss.
Sending him to the NL also removes the chances of him hurting the Yanks in the offseason (until the World Series, and I just don't see the Phillies making it that far).
Finally, as much as the Phillies believe that they can be competitive in FA with Machado, the big problem is that Philly isn't exactly a place players go to willingly.
It would also allow the Yanks to use any trade chips towards pitching.
I agree.
Although, there really aren't any top run pitchers available via trade it seems like. So, I'd rather us just save our trade chips rather than use them for a mediocre pitcher like Happ.
I'd also be fine not trading for Machado. If the Yanks want him that badly, they can just sign him in the offseason, and not have to give up any of their trade chips for him.
After a Toronto error earlier in the inning. Horseshoe up their ass again
When you do it virtually everyday, there is no horseshoe. They are the most balanced and productive team in baseball. They wear down teams that they are supposed to beat.
Head to head the Yanks seem to get up for good teams but Boone rests his top players too much and gives up games. We'll see later in the year if the Sox falter and the "rested" Yanks overcome them. Short of at least one very good pitcher, I doubt the Yanks win the division.
After a Toronto error earlier in the inning. Horseshoe up their ass again
When you do it virtually everyday, there is no horseshoe. They are the most balanced and productive team in baseball. They wear down teams that they are supposed to beat.
Head to head the Yanks seem to get up for good teams but Boone rests his top players too much and gives up games. We'll see later in the year if the Sox falter and the "rested" Yanks overcome them. Short of at least one very good pitcher, I doubt the Yanks win the division.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
People are placing FAR FAR too much emphasis on winning the division. Keep this in mind, the "most balanced and productive team in baseball" has won the AL East two years running. What did it get them?
Two quick trips home in the first round.
Would it be nice to open each series at home? Sure it would. Will it guarantee anything? Nope.
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After a Toronto error earlier in the inning. Horseshoe up their ass again
When you do it virtually everyday, there is no horseshoe. They are the most balanced and productive team in baseball. They wear down teams that they are supposed to beat.
Head to head the Yanks seem to get up for good teams but Boone rests his top players too much and gives up games. We'll see later in the year if the Sox falter and the "rested" Yanks overcome them. Short of at least one very good pitcher, I doubt the Yanks win the division.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
People are placing FAR FAR too much emphasis on winning the division. Keep this in mind, the "most balanced and productive team in baseball" has won the AL East two years running. What did it get them?
Two quick trips home in the first round.
Would it be nice to open each series at home? Sure it would. Will it guarantee anything? Nope.
Glad you've said it before, but that is BS thinking. Do you really want to waste Sevy on a one day shootout against the Mariners or Angels and maybe lose? Win 106 games and show nothing.
It is baseball, nothing is guaranteed. But do you want a one game playoff, and then a 5 game series against Boston with 3 games in Fenway?
And I may be wrong (I'm not) but in the ALCS the home team won every game.
And BTW, Houston was the most balance team in baseball last year and they beat Boston. Boston is better than Houston this year and so are the Yanks.
But that's ok, convince yourself homefield means nothing.
Mookie Betts randomly turning to Barry Bonds has offset that, but we'll see how long he keeps that up.
Greg, not to beat a dead horse, but again you're being dismissive of aspects of a team that is playing very well and has all year. It is what it is. The Sox line up is raking right now. What was David Ortiz before he got to the Sox? It happens. Moreland has comeback down to Earth a bit, but Betts has been playing like a top 5 OF in the league for several years now. He's what? 26? Maybe he is just that good.
Not starting an argument, but dismissing young players just because they hadn't really shown it before is kinda sketchy in my book.
has never at any point played at anywhere near this level. Even his best season before this year was not even remotely close to this. Chances are the type of player he is is a lot closer to what he was 2 years ago than what he has been the first half of this season. The player 2 years ago is still a very good player, but not his OPS numbers are way above what he's over done. His career OBP is a very good .364, this year he's at .445, career .300 hitter, this year .357. His career averages even if you include this years numbers in them are no where near what he is producing this season. He's due for a correction, and a correction is still likely a very good player, but right now he's having an all time season
has never at any point played at anywhere near this level. Even his best season before this year was not even remotely close to this. Chances are the type of player he is is a lot closer to what he was 2 years ago than what he has been the first half of this season. The player 2 years ago is still a very good player, but not his OPS numbers are way above what he's over done. His career OBP is a very good .364, this year he's at .445, career .300 hitter, this year .357. His career averages even if you include this years numbers in them are no where near what he is producing this season. He's due for a correction, and a correction is still likely a very good player, but right now he's having an all time season
Kinda similar to how Sevvy looked last year compared to his first two years. Not trying to be argumentative, but nobody forecasted Sevvy's year last year and now this one afyer 2016
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DL looks likely for Rodriguez. Now down to Sale, Price, Porcello and scrubs with Pomerantz and Wright already on DL. Yanks have more without even making a trade.
Not counting Pedroia, Red Sox have two everyday players on DL too.
Time for Yankees to gain ground is right now, I think, before RS get all their guys back.
Mookie Betts randomly turning to Barry Bonds has offset that, but we'll see how long he keeps that up.
They have been playing out of their minds all year as have the Yankees. We keep waiting for them to fail and they merely slowed for a few weeks.
Betts is not Bonds, but everyone in baseball knew he was very, very good. He 26 and getting stronger. Martinez is playing virtually the same as he always has and now has a little league left field to hit off of. The rest of the lineup is good except Bradley who only hits of the Yanks. Devers came down, but he's 21/22?
Do they have holes? Yeah, all teams do, but theirs aren't deep. Unfortunately the two best Yankees hitters have struggled this year - Sanchez and Bird (Bird may be finding his groove). Judge cannot hit on the road, Stanton can't hit on the road.
Now, get all the Yankees parts going and I'd take that lineup over the Sox or Astros.
I still think Judge's shoulder is hurt and until Sanchez stops trying to pull everything he will hit .200. Hicks is streaky, Didi is streaky, Andujar is streaky.
And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
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And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
I’m having a ton of fun this season which is all I can ask for Â
whether we win the division or have to play the WC game, it’s going to be an awesome ride. I no longer let sports effect me or get me down, I want to be entertained and the Yankees are achieving that.
And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
I'm not sure how you got that from either of these posts. In fact we've both pretty much said the opposite of that.
And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
I'm not sure how you got that from either of these posts. In fact we've both pretty much said the opposite of that.
Sorry....Ive been skimming while watching the World Cup
Yea, I had thought you guys had been just been hard on Booner but that is a fucking head scratcher. I can only think that Boone is figuring this is just a phase Walker is going thru.
Really needs to let it go.
Never mind his penchant for resting guys ahead of a scheduled off day or looking ahead to the next game instead of just taking the win that's right in front of him.
I've never seen a manager cool his own guys off like Boone does. I guess on the bright side at least Wade is in there tonight, as he should be imo.
Yes he did offensively but his number one job is his defense.
Anything we get from his bat is gravy IMO. I mean I expect him to be decent offensively, just with all the other bats in the lineup I'm not expecting him to be needed to win a game with his bat. If he does, that's a bonus to me.
That said, he's going to get another day off in the next two games, probably Sunday afternoon after the night game tomorrow. Does he need to sit two of the last four before the break when he's our best defensive catcher? He did throw out a base stealer last night in a big spot and Higgy has yet to show he can do that.
My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.
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Fuckin' weird.
My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they were measuring things like speed to first base and bat speed and if it drops too far below the average you sit automatically
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Fuckin' weird.
My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they were measuring things like speed to first base and bat speed and if it drops too far below the average you sit automatically
If they are, that's absurd! Didi had plenty of bat speed to jack one 420' last night regardless of anything else. I seem to remember a stout play in the field last night as well.
Who the hell cares about those type of analytics when you can see with your own eyes if a guy really needs a day off?
Joe Binder seems like a by the seat of his pants manager compared to some of these analytics, if that's what these head scratching moves are dictated by.
Anyway it's quite possible that they have models showing the probabilities of injuries of varying severity using many factors that we haven't even named. I think you are oversimplifying a very complex problem and especially in light of the way the Yankees are developing players and making trades I definitely think they have some effective models.
There have been multiple examples this season of posters flipping out about resting guys, only to find out that the player was in fact dealing with something. It hasn’t stopped the daily lineup crusification of course, but I’m fairly confident that Boone and the staff have more intel into what’s going on behind closed doors than the posters on BBI. But it doesn’t seem to matter much. I guess Boone’s just an idiot
Anyway it's quite possible that they have models showing the probabilities of injuries of varying severity using many factors that we haven't even named. I think you are oversimplifying a very complex problem and especially in light of the way the Yankees are developing players and making trades I definitely think they have some effective models.
Maybe so but Boone has already said his resting guys the day before an off day is just something he likes to do and there's no scientific evidence it works. It's just his thing.
I'm thinking some of these other moves are more his doing than analytics as well. While I don't work in analytics, I think having watched sports for decades it's easy enough to tell when a guy needs a blow and when he doesn't. To me Didi was playing well and had plenty of energy. With the break coming up that should be his time off, not now.
Somebody needs to inform German that the 1st inning counts as much as any other. Like hey, throw strikes.....
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But Didi is about to get 4 days off why the hell sit him unless he's nicked up?
There have been multiple examples this season of posters flipping out about resting guys, only to find out that the player was in fact dealing with something. It hasn’t stopped the daily lineup crusification of course, but I’m fairly confident that Boone and the staff have more intel into what’s going on behind closed doors than the posters on BBI. But it doesn’t seem to matter much. I guess Boone’s just an idiot
Care to list a couple of those multiple examples of finding out afterwards of players dealing with something?
Just curious, how do you feel about guys getting a day off before a scheduled day off when Boone himself said there isn't anything nagging them?
At least not in a Yankee uniform.
Torres recently when no one knew about his injury and you freaked out that he was sitting for Walker
Wade early in the season when he didn’t start a game
Judge when he had a day off after telling Boone he was tired
Sanchez a billion times after getting banged up the day before
Gardner awhile back
Should I keep going or is it coming back to you now? And again, you won’t know every freakin issue a player has. Most of this stuff is kept in house. But don’t let that stop you from acting like you know more than the manger that is in the clubhouse with these guys every day
Cannot have Higgy, Walker and Wade in the same game.
What
Torres recently when no one knew about his injury and you freaked out that he was sitting for Walker
Wade early in the season when he didn’t start a game
Judge when he had a day off after telling Boone he was tired
Sanchez a billion times after getting banged up the day before
Gardner awhile back
Should I keep going or is it coming back to you now? And again, you won’t know every freakin issue a player has. Most of this stuff is kept in house. But don’t let that stop you from acting like you know more than the manger that is in the clubhouse with these guys every day
Exaggerate much?
I never freaked out about any of that. Even the day off before a scheduled day off that I don't like at all and have made that known, I never freaked out about.
I realize they like to keep things in house but that doesn't mean we can't question why they made a move.
I've questioned moves and wondered why, while putting my thinking out for discussion. I've never once said or thought I knew better than the manager and have said that in my posts. It is a discussion forum after all, and if someone knew an answer for why, that was what I was looking for or seeing how others felt about the moves.
In fact there's been times posters have had info about something and I've appreciated their replies and acknowledged I hadn't known that.
It's funny to me how you can see freaking out in a question or discussion on a message board that has zero verbal communication. Maybe we need some emojis so you can be shown when someone is actually freaking out, pissed off or just looking for an answer or discussion.
But whatever man, I’m done mentioning it. It’s obvious that you won’t stop, so enjoy. If that’s your thing, have at it
But whatever man, I’m done mentioning it. It’s obvious that you won’t stop, so enjoy. If that’s your thing, have at it
Again I think you're really exaggerating.
The only times I even bring up a starter getting a day off is after he has a good game or is finally heating up. Eg, the days Sanchez got off after his big HR's, Bird getting a day when he was finally coming around, Didi getting a big HR last night.
I've got no problem resting players as they obviously can't play everyday. I just question the timing of those rests and wonder if others feel the same. Nothing more,nothing less.
It seems to me you take that wrong and have a problem with it. I've never meant for my posts to come across as all knowing and annoying so I'll be mindful of that going forward but honestly, if you read my post above about Didi, all I asked was was I missing something? Not sure how that can be whining and annoying as fuck but I guess to you it is.
And Boone letting him face Ramirez again is a head scratcher
As a side note, I have an irrational belief in Wade. I have no idea why, and it’s certainly not based on anything he’s done at the MLB level, I just feel like he’s a potentially very valuable piece to this team.
As a side note, I have an irrational belief in Wade. I have no idea why, and it’s certainly not based on anything he’s done at the MLB level, I just feel like he’s a potentially very valuable piece to this team.
Me too and not to keep this going but after his three hits the other night I really didn't understand him sitting last night. Lol. Definitely brought it up for discussion and again, I'll try and be sure it comes across that way in the future.
I'm not a whiner, complainer or know it all in my every day life and no way do I think I am or mean to be one here. No doubt I get frustrated by some of the moves like the ones I mentioned, and question them but that's really all its meant to be.
Now let's get to their pen and score some more runs. This game can be had.
Ugh, you’re right.
Woodford Reserve had helped me bury that one quickly
He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.
Saving him for the gamewinner right here
He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.
They can’t all be hits. But that’s just a shortcoming in approach right there.
If you drive that ball and it’s an out, I’ll live with it. But it was junk, he jumped out of his shoes, and just rolls over a grounder.
Jesus christ. Didi and Andujar with zero patience.
Boone let German start the 5th for zero reason, i dont give a fuck about trying to let him get through 5 so he cna be eligible for the win, then he has judge run into an out.
Annoying loss.
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is why I make Andujar available in trade talks for a big pitcher.
He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.
They can’t all be hits. But that’s just a shortcoming in approach right there.
If you drive that ball and it’s an out, I’ll live with it. But it was junk, he jumped out of his shoes, and just rolls over a grounder.
I dont see him reaching his ceiling or even close to it because of his plate discipline. He'd be a good guy to sell high on imo. It's like he decides if he's going to swing before the pitch is even thrown. He's bound to have some Alfonso Soriano type playoff performances
If I’m really nitpicking, would rather have saved Frazier’s bat if they weren’t going to coach Andujar into taking a pitch or two for a steal.
(Not necessarily advocating a steal there, Gomes has a hose)
He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.
A couple of problems with that IMO.
One is there's no big pitcher, Ace, Verlander type available this year and secondly, while he most likely will be a free, aggressive swinger, patience and game situations will get better with experience.
The more big spots he gets up in the more comfortable he'll be in them IMO. He's come through big this year for the team and no reason for me to think he won't continue to.
No doubt he got antsy there in the 9th but I need to see him cotinue to make the same mistake over and over before I'm willing to let that bat go in a trade, especially since there doesn't seem to be an Ace out there for the getting.
Andujar is a kid. His BB% has improved each month. Let's not get crazy.
Agreed, and while the Indians are a good club they don't scare me, and I think the Yanks are certainly better. Frustrating indeed but they were bound to win one sooner or later vs the Yanks, especially at home.
Choose 3 of Andujar, Frazier, Sheffield, Florial
Choose 2 of Adams, Medina, Abreu, Acevedo, Lasagna, Wade, Carroll
Yanks get deGrom. And if the Mets want to shed the next year of the Toddfather, we’ll eat that if they throw in Asdrubal.
I can't believe the twin midgets are ripping it up every night but hot damn do they look unstoppable.
Choose 3 of Andujar, Frazier, Sheffield, Florial
Choose 2 of Adams, Medina, Abreu, Acevedo, Lasagna, Wade, Carroll
Yanks get deGrom. And if the Mets want to shed the next year of the Toddfather, we’ll eat that if they throw in Asdrubal.
Flip those options (two of the first four,three of rest) and I think I can get on board.
Truth is - Hicks is a hitter with good discipline, and Boone made a bet that a) he puts a strike in play or b) you get a successful steal via Judge’s speed and the pitchers slow delivery.
I still don’t like the decision. But he’s good at navigating the aftermath.
I think Andular as a starting point to get DeGrom has to be available to the Mets. Him or Bumgarner are really the only two pitchers I'd include Miggy in a trade for.
After that, I wouldn't want to give up more than one of the other three. Each of them would hurt to give up but to get quality it's gotta hurt a bit but two of those four is fair to start with IMO. If we give them more on the next level it should be enough and fair to both teams but I really don't think A: the Mets want to deal Jake and B, not to the Yanks if they do trade him.
I'd love to have him but put the chances at less than 5%. More because of the Mets than the Yanks not willing to give up enough.
Sabean is a guy who will do business if it’s clear he should be a seller, without any of the bullshit.
Bumgarner is probably hard to get. Does it get easier if you agree to take back Cueto or Samardzija?
Something that could make sense for both sides:
Bumgarner
Cueto
Watson
Sonny Gray
Ellsbury
Frazier
Sheffield
Adams
Drury
If SFG don’t find the Cueto/Ells portion of that deal to be beneficial, strike that part. Figured they may like it because Ells is a year less.
Question is what MadBum wants after next year. Money won’t be the issue, but does he re-sign here? He’s an outdoorsman...show him all that NYS has to offer!
... another starting pitcher would be in order. Make your best deal, Cash.
You aren’t mistaken. Just another reason why my idea is basically a pipe dream.
Even worse was the strike out / throw out in the 8th. I get that Boone was trying to avoid an inning ending DP by putting Judge in motion and had faith that Hicks would put the ball in play, but you have to get Stanton up that inning with at least a man on.
Of course, he hit the HR in the 9th - with no one on.
I still think German has some great stuff to work with - but he has a ways to go still. For the time being, I'm fine using him at the back end of the rotation, but I do think we're going to need a starter.
Maybe Sheffield can be that guy. I'd like to see him get a shot before wasting anything on some "meh" guy like Happ.
Judge needs to move an inch or 2 closer to the plate. He can't reach the outside corner and takes too many strikes there. His a$$ and left foot go in the bucket all the time.
This team does very little situational hitting.
Some of these young guys need to realize they are not Babe Ruth.
I know you need to give some guys a break but Boone's lineups are baffling at times. He's got people shifting around all the time. A little continuity would be nice.
Sonny Gray's last start was OK. I sit him down before his next start and tell him he needs to attack the strike zone. If not, he should be sent down to AAA to learn how.
German needs to do the same as Gray. He has the stuff although his delivery mechanics are a recipe for inconsistency.
His going to the Phillies might be the best possible outcome for the Yanks. An in-season trade removes the ability of the new team to make a tender offer, thereby removing any draft pick compensation and IFA pool loss.
Sending him to the NL also removes the chances of him hurting the Yanks in the offseason (until the World Series, and I just don't see the Phillies making it that far).
Finally, as much as the Phillies believe that they can be competitive in FA with Machado, the big problem is that Philly isn't exactly a place players go to willingly.
It would also allow the Yanks to use any trade chips towards pitching.
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Phillies are said to be "serious" in their Manny pursuit and are thought to be running ahead of the yankees and maybe most others at this point. also in: brewers, dodgers, dbacks, indians.
His going to the Phillies might be the best possible outcome for the Yanks. An in-season trade removes the ability of the new team to make a tender offer, thereby removing any draft pick compensation and IFA pool loss.
Sending him to the NL also removes the chances of him hurting the Yanks in the offseason (until the World Series, and I just don't see the Phillies making it that far).
Finally, as much as the Phillies believe that they can be competitive in FA with Machado, the big problem is that Philly isn't exactly a place players go to willingly.
It would also allow the Yanks to use any trade chips towards pitching.
I agree.
Although, there really aren't any top run pitchers available via trade it seems like. So, I'd rather us just save our trade chips rather than use them for a mediocre pitcher like Happ.
I'd also be fine not trading for Machado. If the Yanks want him that badly, they can just sign him in the offseason, and not have to give up any of their trade chips for him.
When you do it virtually everyday, there is no horseshoe. They are the most balanced and productive team in baseball. They wear down teams that they are supposed to beat.
Head to head the Yanks seem to get up for good teams but Boone rests his top players too much and gives up games. We'll see later in the year if the Sox falter and the "rested" Yanks overcome them. Short of at least one very good pitcher, I doubt the Yanks win the division.
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After a Toronto error earlier in the inning. Horseshoe up their ass again
When you do it virtually everyday, there is no horseshoe. They are the most balanced and productive team in baseball. They wear down teams that they are supposed to beat.
Head to head the Yanks seem to get up for good teams but Boone rests his top players too much and gives up games. We'll see later in the year if the Sox falter and the "rested" Yanks overcome them. Short of at least one very good pitcher, I doubt the Yanks win the division.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
People are placing FAR FAR too much emphasis on winning the division. Keep this in mind, the "most balanced and productive team in baseball" has won the AL East two years running. What did it get them?
Two quick trips home in the first round.
Would it be nice to open each series at home? Sure it would. Will it guarantee anything? Nope.
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After a Toronto error earlier in the inning. Horseshoe up their ass again
When you do it virtually everyday, there is no horseshoe. They are the most balanced and productive team in baseball. They wear down teams that they are supposed to beat.
Head to head the Yanks seem to get up for good teams but Boone rests his top players too much and gives up games. We'll see later in the year if the Sox falter and the "rested" Yanks overcome them. Short of at least one very good pitcher, I doubt the Yanks win the division.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
People are placing FAR FAR too much emphasis on winning the division. Keep this in mind, the "most balanced and productive team in baseball" has won the AL East two years running. What did it get them?
Two quick trips home in the first round.
Would it be nice to open each series at home? Sure it would. Will it guarantee anything? Nope.
Glad you've said it before, but that is BS thinking. Do you really want to waste Sevy on a one day shootout against the Mariners or Angels and maybe lose? Win 106 games and show nothing.
It is baseball, nothing is guaranteed. But do you want a one game playoff, and then a 5 game series against Boston with 3 games in Fenway?
And I may be wrong (I'm not) but in the ALCS the home team won every game.
And BTW, Houston was the most balance team in baseball last year and they beat Boston. Boston is better than Houston this year and so are the Yanks.
But that's ok, convince yourself homefield means nothing.
Mookie Betts randomly turning to Barry Bonds has offset that, but we'll see how long he keeps that up.
Mookie Betts randomly turning to Barry Bonds has offset that, but we'll see how long he keeps that up.
Greg, not to beat a dead horse, but again you're being dismissive of aspects of a team that is playing very well and has all year. It is what it is. The Sox line up is raking right now. What was David Ortiz before he got to the Sox? It happens. Moreland has comeback down to Earth a bit, but Betts has been playing like a top 5 OF in the league for several years now. He's what? 26? Maybe he is just that good.
Not starting an argument, but dismissing young players just because they hadn't really shown it before is kinda sketchy in my book.
Kinda similar to how Sevvy looked last year compared to his first two years. Not trying to be argumentative, but nobody forecasted Sevvy's year last year and now this one afyer 2016
Not counting Pedroia, Red Sox have two everyday players on DL too.
Time for Yankees to gain ground is right now, I think, before RS get all their guys back.
Mookie Betts randomly turning to Barry Bonds has offset that, but we'll see how long he keeps that up.
They have been playing out of their minds all year as have the Yankees. We keep waiting for them to fail and they merely slowed for a few weeks.
Betts is not Bonds, but everyone in baseball knew he was very, very good. He 26 and getting stronger. Martinez is playing virtually the same as he always has and now has a little league left field to hit off of. The rest of the lineup is good except Bradley who only hits of the Yanks. Devers came down, but he's 21/22?
Do they have holes? Yeah, all teams do, but theirs aren't deep. Unfortunately the two best Yankees hitters have struggled this year - Sanchez and Bird (Bird may be finding his groove). Judge cannot hit on the road, Stanton can't hit on the road.
Now, get all the Yankees parts going and I'd take that lineup over the Sox or Astros.
I still think Judge's shoulder is hurt and until Sanchez stops trying to pull everything he will hit .200. Hicks is streaky, Didi is streaky, Andujar is streaky.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
3 1/2 games on July 15th 2018...pffft!
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
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And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
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If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
1978 14 games back.....
No, 3.5 is something that can be gone before August.
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If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
1978 14 games back.....
No, 3.5 is something that can be gone before August.
Even dumber when you consider we wrap up the season with 3 against that same team.
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And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
I'm not sure how you got that from either of these posts. In fact we've both pretty much said the opposite of that.
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And of course nobody wants to be 3 1/2 games back, but I think the Yanks are still in great shape. They still have 3 games in hand on the Sox and after today, they will be done with Cleveland and Houston for the rest of the season. The Sox still have one series with Houston and haven’t played Cleveland at all yet, so they still have those games.
That’s a natural correction with those things alone, and when you think about it, the Sox have multiple guys playing at a level they’ve never played at before and the Yankees have gotten subpar years out of almost every player on the team, except for the rookies, bullpen and Severino. Take all of that into account and it’s hard not to imagine a swing in the standings as we move along. It almost feels like how this season has played out, the Sox should have a 10 games lead. But they don’t. And the Yanks will take advantage as things play out.
Agreed.
I've read and heard a lot about how the Yanks should be worried because they've played so well and with their record in most any other year, they'd have a nice lead and hold on the Division.
My response is, shouldn't the Sox feel that too and maybe even more? They're playing as good as they can and better at this point than any Sox team I can ever remember, yet they can't shake the Yanks. Plus haven't exactly dominated them in head to head.
My son in law is a huge Sox fan (otherwise a great guy and fantastic addition to our family) and he's constantly saying how no matter what they can't shake the Yanks. He doesn't think this race is anywhere near over especially since the Yanks are hanging right there with two All Star caliber players being out for weeks.
If anybody really is saying with any conviction that the race is over with the Sox up 3.5 games, they have never watched baseball before.
I'm not sure how you got that from either of these posts. In fact we've both pretty much said the opposite of that.
Sorry....Ive been skimming while watching the World Cup
I've been watching the WC too but bottom line we all agree this AL East isn't anywhere near over.