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adamg : 7/13/2018 6:20 pm
LF Gardner
DH Judge
CF Hicks
RF Stanton
1B Bird
3B Andujar
2B Walker
C Higgy
SS Wade

And German on the mound. Let's ensure the split. Let's get the W!
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DH day for Judge and day off for Didi  
mfsd : 7/13/2018 6:24 pm : link
let’s go boys!
So Didi blasts  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 6:27 pm : link
A big game tying 420' HR off the Cy Young winner but gets a seat on the bench the next day vs a rookie RH, and Walker gets to play again! What am I missing?

RE: So Didi blasts  
chopperhatch : 7/13/2018 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14012813 Eman11 said:
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A big game tying 420' HR off the Cy Young winner but gets a seat on the bench the next day vs a rookie RH, and Walker gets to play again! What am I missing?


Yea, I had thought you guys had been just been hard on Booner but that is a fucking head scratcher. I can only think that Boone is figuring this is just a phase Walker is going thru.

Really needs to let it go.
Yeah he does  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 6:42 pm : link
I know it seems like an everyday theme with some of my posts but I'm really not someone who thinks he knows it all. I'm honestly just confused by his lineups and why he sits guys who are hot or had a big hit/game the previous one.

Never mind his penchant for resting guys ahead of a scheduled off day or looking ahead to the next game instead of just taking the win that's right in front of him.

I've never seen a manager cool his own guys off like Boone does. I guess on the bright side at least Wade is in there tonight, as he should be imo.
I  
Kev in Cali : 7/13/2018 6:49 pm : link
don't follow too closely, but no Romine after last nights 4k at bat makes sense. Romi sucked last night from a casual fans perspective.
Who needs a rest day with the all star break coming up?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/13/2018 6:52 pm : link
Fuckin' weird.
RE: I  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14012821 Kev in Cali said:
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don't follow too closely, but no Romine after last nights 4k at bat makes sense. Romi sucked last night from a casual fans perspective.


Yes he did offensively but his number one job is his defense.

Anything we get from his bat is gravy IMO. I mean I expect him to be decent offensively, just with all the other bats in the lineup I'm not expecting him to be needed to win a game with his bat. If he does, that's a bonus to me.

That said, he's going to get another day off in the next two games, probably Sunday afternoon after the night game tomorrow. Does he need to sit two of the last four before the break when he's our best defensive catcher? He did throw out a base stealer last night in a big spot and Higgy has yet to show he can do that.

RE: Who needs a rest day with the all star break coming up?  
mitch300 : 7/13/2018 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14012822 robbieballs2003 said:
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Fuckin' weird.

My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.
RE: RE: Who needs a rest day with the all star break coming up?  
NoGainDayne : 7/13/2018 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14012824 mitch300 said:
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Fuckin' weird.


My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.


Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they were measuring things like speed to first base and bat speed and if it drops too far below the average you sit automatically
Yea I'm all for the "It's a long season" philosophy  
Stu11 : 7/13/2018 7:06 pm : link
But Didi is about to get 4 days off why the hell sit him unless he's nicked up?
RE: RE: RE: Who needs a rest day with the all star break coming up?  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 7:08 pm : link
In comment 14012826 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 14012822 robbieballs2003 said:


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Fuckin' weird.


My thoughts exactly. People complained about Girardi having scheduled rest for guys and wouldn't deviate from it. Boone is worse. I'm thinking it's all analytics.



Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they were measuring things like speed to first base and bat speed and if it drops too far below the average you sit automatically


If they are, that's absurd! Didi had plenty of bat speed to jack one 420' last night regardless of anything else. I seem to remember a stout play in the field last night as well.

Who the hell cares about those type of analytics when you can see with your own eyes if a guy really needs a day off?

Joe Binder seems like a by the seat of his pants manager compared to some of these analytics, if that's what these head scratching moves are dictated by.
Well Eman as someone that works in analytics  
NoGainDayne : 7/13/2018 7:19 pm : link
the naked eye isn't always the best judge and non-linear equations can be pretty complex. Might not just be bat speed, it could be fluctuation in bat speed (IE the home run swing was fast but others where much slower)

Anyway it's quite possible that they have models showing the probabilities of injuries of varying severity using many factors that we haven't even named. I think you are oversimplifying a very complex problem and especially in light of the way the Yankees are developing players and making trades I definitely think they have some effective models.
Days Off  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/13/2018 7:26 pm : link
Other than the catcher, I don't recall non-injured players taking days off as a kid in the 1970s.
Higgy is not a MLB catcher.  
section125 : 7/13/2018 7:30 pm : link
Bad arm. Bad technique. Even freaking Romine throws out Lindor on that steal. Costs his team a run.
RE: Yea I'm all for the  
BigBlueShock : 7/13/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14012827 Stu11 said:
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But Didi is about to get 4 days off why the hell sit him unless he's nicked up?

There have been multiple examples this season of posters flipping out about resting guys, only to find out that the player was in fact dealing with something. It hasn’t stopped the daily lineup crusification of course, but I’m fairly confident that Boone and the staff have more intel into what’s going on behind closed doors than the posters on BBI. But it doesn’t seem to matter much. I guess Boone’s just an idiot
It may be 1-0 but...  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/13/2018 7:31 pm : link
on the bright side, Germán is throwing a no-hitter.
RE: Well Eman as someone that works in analytics  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14012832 NoGainDayne said:
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the naked eye isn't always the best judge and non-linear equations can be pretty complex. Might not just be bat speed, it could be fluctuation in bat speed (IE the home run swing was fast but others where much slower)

Anyway it's quite possible that they have models showing the probabilities of injuries of varying severity using many factors that we haven't even named. I think you are oversimplifying a very complex problem and especially in light of the way the Yankees are developing players and making trades I definitely think they have some effective models.


Maybe so but Boone has already said his resting guys the day before an off day is just something he likes to do and there's no scientific evidence it works. It's just his thing.

I'm thinking some of these other moves are more his doing than analytics as well. While I don't work in analytics, I think having watched sports for decades it's easy enough to tell when a guy needs a blow and when he doesn't. To me Didi was playing well and had plenty of energy. With the break coming up that should be his time off, not now.
RE: It may be 1-0 but...  
section125 : 7/13/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14012841 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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on the bright side, Germán is throwing a no-hitter.


Somebody needs to inform German that the 1st inning counts as much as any other. Like hey, throw strikes.....
RE: RE: Yea I'm all for the  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14012839 BigBlueShock said:
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But Didi is about to get 4 days off why the hell sit him unless he's nicked up?


There have been multiple examples this season of posters flipping out about resting guys, only to find out that the player was in fact dealing with something. It hasn’t stopped the daily lineup crusification of course, but I’m fairly confident that Boone and the staff have more intel into what’s going on behind closed doors than the posters on BBI. But it doesn’t seem to matter much. I guess Boone’s just an idiot


Care to list a couple of those multiple examples of finding out afterwards of players dealing with something?

Just curious, how do you feel about guys getting a day off before a scheduled day off when Boone himself said there isn't anything nagging them?
As soon as Torres gets back  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/13/2018 7:42 pm : link
I don't think I really need to see anymore Neil Walker at-bats.

At least not in a Yankee uniform.
Sure  
BigBlueShock : 7/13/2018 7:43 pm : link
But I’m guessing you remember them all

Torres recently when no one knew about his injury and you freaked out that he was sitting for Walker

Wade early in the season when he didn’t start a game

Judge when he had a day off after telling Boone he was tired

Sanchez a billion times after getting banged up the day before

Gardner awhile back

Should I keep going or is it coming back to you now? And again, you won’t know every freakin issue a player has. Most of this stuff is kept in house. But don’t let that stop you from acting like you know more than the manger that is in the clubhouse with these guys every day
Higgy is awful.  
section125 : 7/13/2018 7:55 pm : link
At least 5 balls in the K-Zone called balls because he lunges at pitches. Sanchez does the same but only a couple times here and there.
Cannot have Higgy, Walker and Wade in the same game.
Boston  
nygnyy274 : 7/13/2018 8:00 pm : link
Come see back if course they were down 3-1 and took the lead the next inning can the Yankees do the same I mean a guy with the last name Bieber is pitching lol
RE: Boston  
Jints in Carolina : 7/13/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14012856 nygnyy274 said:
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Come see back if course they were down 3-1 and took the lead the next inning can the Yankees do the same I mean a guy with the last name Bieber is pitching lol


What
RE: Sure  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14012849 BigBlueShock said:
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But I’m guessing you remember them all

Torres recently when no one knew about his injury and you freaked out that he was sitting for Walker

Wade early in the season when he didn’t start a game

Judge when he had a day off after telling Boone he was tired

Sanchez a billion times after getting banged up the day before

Gardner awhile back

Should I keep going or is it coming back to you now? And again, you won’t know every freakin issue a player has. Most of this stuff is kept in house. But don’t let that stop you from acting like you know more than the manger that is in the clubhouse with these guys every day


Exaggerate much?

I never freaked out about any of that. Even the day off before a scheduled day off that I don't like at all and have made that known, I never freaked out about.

I realize they like to keep things in house but that doesn't mean we can't question why they made a move.

I've questioned moves and wondered why, while putting my thinking out for discussion. I've never once said or thought I knew better than the manager and have said that in my posts. It is a discussion forum after all, and if someone knew an answer for why, that was what I was looking for or seeing how others felt about the moves.

In fact there's been times posters have had info about something and I've appreciated their replies and acknowledged I hadn't known that.

It's funny to me how you can see freaking out in a question or discussion on a message board that has zero verbal communication. Maybe we need some emojis so you can be shown when someone is actually freaking out, pissed off or just looking for an answer or discussion.



Wtf?  
BigBlueShock : 7/13/2018 8:12 pm : link
You literally whine, bitch, moan and complain about the lineup every single time a starter gets a day off. You can decide to call it freaking out or not, I don’t care. But what I do know is it’s annoying as fuck.

But whatever man, I’m done mentioning it. It’s obvious that you won’t stop, so enjoy. If that’s your thing, have at it
There we go Walker!  
NoGainDayne : 7/13/2018 8:30 pm : link
I feel like that is the first time he has contributed since May.
RE: Wtf?  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14012861 BigBlueShock said:
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You literally whine, bitch, moan and complain about the lineup every single time a starter gets a day off. You can decide to call it freaking out or not, I don’t care. But what I do know is it’s annoying as fuck.

But whatever man, I’m done mentioning it. It’s obvious that you won’t stop, so enjoy. If that’s your thing, have at it


Again I think you're really exaggerating.

The only times I even bring up a starter getting a day off is after he has a good game or is finally heating up. Eg, the days Sanchez got off after his big HR's, Bird getting a day when he was finally coming around, Didi getting a big HR last night.

I've got no problem resting players as they obviously can't play everyday. I just question the timing of those rests and wonder if others feel the same. Nothing more,nothing less.

It seems to me you take that wrong and have a problem with it. I've never meant for my posts to come across as all knowing and annoying so I'll be mindful of that going forward but honestly, if you read my post above about Didi, all I asked was was I missing something? Not sure how that can be whining and annoying as fuck but I guess to you it is.
I’m not so sure about German  
Kyle in NY : 7/13/2018 8:47 pm : link
Might be a future reliever. The ability to miss bats is obvious but the command just is not there. This inconsistency is frustrating and it might be time to give someone else a shot

And Boone letting him face Ramirez again is a head scratcher
No problem  
BigBlueShock : 7/13/2018 8:49 pm : link
It’s all good. Didn’t mean to side track the game thread. At any rate, rough outing for German. Need some more runs boys!

As a side note, I have an irrational belief in Wade. I have no idea why, and it’s certainly not based on anything he’s done at the MLB level, I just feel like he’s a potentially very valuable piece to this team.
RE: No problem  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14012875 BigBlueShock said:
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It’s all good. Didn’t mean to side track the game thread. At any rate, rough outing for German. Need some more runs boys!

As a side note, I have an irrational belief in Wade. I have no idea why, and it’s certainly not based on anything he’s done at the MLB level, I just feel like he’s a potentially very valuable piece to this team.


Me too and not to keep this going but after his three hits the other night I really didn't understand him sitting last night. Lol. Definitely brought it up for discussion and again, I'll try and be sure it comes across that way in the future.

I'm not a whiner, complainer or know it all in my every day life and no way do I think I am or mean to be one here. No doubt I get frustrated by some of the moves like the ones I mentioned, and question them but that's really all its meant to be.

Now let's get to their pen and score some more runs. This game can be had.
C'mon Shreve  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 9:30 pm : link
Hold em here and keep us in the game.
Huge HBP  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2018 9:46 pm : link
Lets go Hicksy!
Really weird scenario  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2018 9:50 pm : link
To run yourself out of an inning.
I love aggressiveness on the bases  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2018 9:51 pm : link
But this NYY team picks some really bad spots.
WTF is Boone thinking?  
Kyle in NY : 7/13/2018 9:51 pm : link
sending Judge there
Not a smart baseball play IMO  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 9:52 pm : link
Sending Judge in that situation with Stanton on deck.
Thank goodness we let Judge get thrown out there.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/13/2018 10:04 pm : link
6-5 Tribe.
NON SI PUO STOPARLO!!  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2018 10:04 pm : link
Cody Allen is garbage.
Stanton!!  
dune69 : 7/13/2018 10:04 pm : link
Can he get right back up again????
RE: Thank goodness we let Judge get thrown out there.  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2018 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14012900 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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6-5 Tribe.


Ugh, you’re right.

Woodford Reserve had helped me bury that one quickly
Gotta love the fight  
Eman11 : 7/13/2018 10:06 pm : link
And never say die attitude of this club. They battle.
Ummm..  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2018 10:06 pm : link
Are we seriously not going to Didi here??
that right there  
MookGiants : 7/13/2018 10:06 pm : link
is why I make Andujar available in trade talks for a big pitcher.

He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.
Dammit, Miggy  
Greg from LI : 7/13/2018 10:06 pm : link
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RE: Ummm..  
Greg from LI : 7/13/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14012907 bigbluehoya said:
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Are we seriously not going to Didi here??


Saving him for the gamewinner right here
.  
Kev in Cali : 7/13/2018 10:09 pm : link
COME ON DIDI!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: that right there  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14012908 MookGiants said:
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is why I make Andujar available in trade talks for a big pitcher.

He has zero patience. Sure it can get better but he's likely always going to be a free swinger, he'll get himself out in big spots as a result.


They can’t all be hits. But that’s just a shortcoming in approach right there.

If you drive that ball and it’s an out, I’ll live with it. But it was junk, he jumped out of his shoes, and just rolls over a grounder.
didn't hit Didi  
MookGiants : 7/13/2018 10:10 pm : link
because he wanted him to hit for Wade. Not the worst decision.

Jesus christ. Didi and Andujar with zero patience.

Boone let German start the 5th for zero reason, i dont give a fuck about trying to let him get through 5 so he cna be eligible for the win, then he has judge run into an out.

Annoying loss.
Well that was anticlimactic  
Greg from LI : 7/13/2018 10:11 pm : link
Pretty much every game they've lost lately is a game they probably should have won. Frustrating.
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